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[00:01:00] <rue_house> I may not have much of any time tommorow as I have to move the milling machine and get ready for early work on friday
[00:01:09] <rue_house> I want time for ME
[00:05:49] <katsmeow> i sent you an URL
[00:27:11] <katsmeow> [14:18] <katsmeow-afk> tiggr, define ctcp
[00:27:12] <katsmeow> [14:18] <[TiggrBot]> ctcp : Client-To-Client Protocol
[00:27:12] <katsmeow> [17:00] <katsmeow-afk> tiggr, define box of kleenex
[00:27:12] <katsmeow> [17:00] <[TiggrBot]> box of kleenex : mucus recovery system
[01:31:03] <katsmeow> House Bill 2851 would ban the sale and use of alcohol on any state ferry and at all ferry terminals.
[01:31:04] <katsmeow> The idea for the measure came as a result of meeting with several student groups who questioned the wisdom of the state selling alcohol to people who may be going directly to their cars and driving off the ferry and onto state roads.
[20:51:46] <rue_house> BusyBee B240
[20:54:34] <rue_house> http://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/735ad899-d9c8-4018-b66a-a2ca0112929e/d5c7a61b-cb16-49bb-fbc8-9b57d80386ee/540x360.jpg
[20:54:38] <rue_house> thats the one
[21:08:40] <katsmeow> you keep it in the kitchen next to the stove?
[21:09:11] <katsmeow> izzat part of the pulpwood auction series in BC i sent you to last yr?
[21:10:36] <rue_house> that not he pic of mine
[21:10:37] <katsmeow> it resembles a heavy duty drill press, does the bed have any travel to/fro ?
[21:10:39] <rue_house> its the same as the one I got
[21:11:12] <rue_house> when I was at the local welder asking for cold rolled to I could make a milling machine he offered me his mill for $750
[21:11:25] <rue_house> with milling machine vise and a box of bits
[21:11:42] <rue_house> which alone, are worth damn near the whole $750
[21:11:57] <rue_house> the machine without the vise would be about $2400
[21:12:10] <katsmeow> what kind of chuck does it have?
[21:12:25] <rue_house> several
[21:12:33] <rue_house> a collett chuck on it
[21:12:39] <rue_house> a cutting blade,
[21:12:48] <rue_house> a 4" surface cutter
[21:13:05] <rue_house> and a ~3/4" single-size chuck
[21:13:41] <katsmeow> you got allthe collets for it, in good condition?
[21:13:57] <rue_house> yup
[21:14:10] <rue_house> the kicker is, no room in my shop
[21:14:17] <rue_house> so its in the shop of a guy I know
[21:21:40] <zhanx> Evening
[21:22:06] * katsmeow yawns at xhanx and tries to wave
[21:22:09] <zhanx> Can we talk protocols for a minute
[21:22:19] <katsmeow> at least a minute
[21:22:34] <zhanx> Like as not refining them every time I start a new project
[21:22:53] <zhanx> I need to define a standard set of callbacks etc
[21:23:21] <zhanx> For every protocol wifi serial etc
[21:24:04] <katsmeow> ok
[21:24:26] <zhanx> Use is what style int etc to use
[21:24:32] <katsmeow> have you looked at the existing protocols?
[21:24:44] <zhanx> Or type define. Not too much really
[21:25:21] <zhanx> I have but not enough. From what I have seen. They don't fit my style of coins
[21:25:24] <zhanx> Coding
[21:25:41] <katsmeow> umm, type and defines and such are very low level, and windows code for them will be very different than avr/pic/beagle/nix/paspi, etc etc etc
[21:26:06] <zhanx> True and I will be using multiple devices to talk back
[21:26:28] <katsmeow> if you send 4 bytes, there's no guarantee they won't be accepted as "kick" or 12 or a UTF32
[21:26:52] <zhanx> Hence I need to define or make a base protocol so it will work on all systems
[21:27:24] <zhanx> I was thinking the hard way is binary
[21:27:39] <katsmeow> ok, use sgml/xml and after the parser yu can write in whatever OS/language you like
[21:28:25] <zhanx> I don't want to go that high level in languages (my personal opinion )
[21:29:08] <zhanx> I want a low level protocol that is short and easy to error correct
[21:29:14] <zhanx> Like harware level
[21:29:25] <zhanx> Hardware
[21:29:37] <katsmeow> IEEE488/HPIB
[21:30:02] <katsmeow> it has lots handshaking lines, you cold copy it, redesign it, but it isn't serial
[21:30:22] <zhanx> And kat wins thank you
[21:31:20] <zhanx> I knew something was already made
[21:31:23] <katsmeow> even tho it isn't serial ?
[21:31:27] <zhanx> Yep
[21:31:31] <katsmeow> it's byte-wide
[21:31:34] <katsmeow> ok
[21:31:36] <zhanx> I can make it serial
[21:32:10] <zhanx> And etc it's a standard that is proven and from the quick skim not bloated
[21:32:32] <katsmeow> and software - extensible
[21:33:13] <katsmeow> there is a hardware diff tween 488 and hpib, for instance one uses a passive pullup resistor on one line, i forget the details
[21:33:48] <katsmeow> i had to mod a 488 card to work with some HP equipment
[21:34:08] <zhanx> IEEE-488 will be my base
[21:35:04] <zhanx> Tomorrow I will make a glow board to start mapping this out on I think
[21:35:26] <zhanx> Epic robot build
[21:35:27] <katsmeow> if you need multi-master on the buss, look that up
[21:36:04] <katsmeow> you know AVR has it's serial protocol handled in hardware?
[21:36:25] <zhanx> Yes but I am running 92ish of them
[21:36:42] <zhanx> Da over load
[21:36:47] <zhanx> Data
[21:37:36] <zhanx> Heck I an even gonna tests wires etc for speed on this
[22:14:48] <katsmeow> http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/the-illusion-of-reality/479559/
[22:15:05] <katsmeow> The Case Against Reality
[22:15:05] <katsmeow> A professor of cognitive science argues that the world is nothing like the one we experience through our senses.
[22:29:29] <__m00n__> whats the differance between a D latch and a SR latch
[22:30:08] <katsmeow> one is clocked
[22:30:13] <__m00n__> the D
[22:30:15] <__m00n__> ?
[22:30:17] <katsmeow> yeas
[22:30:26] <katsmeow> the SR can be wired to be a D
[22:30:33] <__m00n__> ??
[22:30:44] <katsmeow> wikipedia can be your friend
[22:30:52] <__m00n__> ok i'll make the plunge
[22:31:16] <katsmeow> most D latches now, like 7474 and 4013, have Set and Reset inputs too
[22:34:00] <__m00n__> i see a D and an E for imputs
[22:34:08] <__m00n__> is the E the clock pulse?
[22:38:55] <katsmeow> mostly
[22:39:29] <katsmeow> the 74373 and 74374 are identical, cept for the wiring of the CLK or E pin
[22:39:49] <katsmeow> the 373 is transparent when E is high, daya fows right thru
[22:40:18] <katsmeow> the 374 is opaque, no input data shows up unless it was there when the CLK went LOW-HIGH
[22:43:13] <rue_house> ok
[22:43:25] <rue_house> I finished 66 kids wire puzzle bases
[22:43:47] <zhanx> Nice job rue
[22:44:25] <rue_house> zhanx,
[22:44:34] <rue_house> I'v decided to use registers
[22:44:55] <rue_house> one reg is a device descriptor
[22:45:05] <rue_house> the idea is that you have a table of how to talk to what you want
[22:45:35] <rue_house> but its a work around for having a bunch of devices on serial ports and trying to work out who is who
[22:45:41] <rue_house> or even who is what
[22:47:07] <rue_house> [0][c3][c2][c1][c0][v2][v1][v0]
[22:47:07] <rue_house> [1][v9][v8][v7][v6][v5][v4][v3]
[22:47:07] <rue_house>
[22:47:07] <rue_house> c0-c3 are command
[22:47:07] <rue_house> v0-v9 are value
[22:47:08] <katsmeow> or what they are saying
[22:47:39] <rue_house> Commands:
[22:47:39] <rue_house> 0 listen (servo number) 256 = all {always obey command} // sticks through listen once
[22:47:39] <rue_house> 1 ignore (servo number) 256 = all {always obey command} // overrides listen once
[22:47:39] <rue_house> 2 One Time listen (servo number) {always obey command}
[22:47:39] <rue_house> 3 set flags (flags) (+toggle debug) { bitwise obey }
[22:47:43] <rue_house> 0 enguage cached position {always obey command}
[22:47:45] <rue_house> 1 turn servo on {obey if listening}
[22:47:47] <rue_house> 2 turn servo off {obey if listening}
[22:47:49] <rue_house> 3 set cmdpos to curpos {obey if listening}
[22:47:51] <rue_house> 4 set servo position (position) {obey if listening}
[22:47:53] <rue_house> 5 set cached position (position) {obey if listening}
[22:47:55] <rue_house> 6 get servo current (servo number) {servo number}
[22:47:57] <rue_house> 7 get servo position (servo number) {servo number}
[22:47:59] <rue_house> 8 send device model (servo number) {servo number}
[22:48:11] <rue_house> but that is more specialized to the servo controller, but it was the foundation for my ideas about one big final protocol
[22:49:02] <rue_house> set servo current would be a good addition
[22:50:51] <rue_house> __m00n__, got amilling machine today
[22:50:55] <rue_house> its not here tho
[22:51:01] <rue_house> its a busybee B240
[22:51:14] <katsmeow> i keep wanting to call a type a cable a Lenz wire, what is it actially called?
[22:51:26] <rue_house> whcih is a knockoff of a rusnok 850 but bigger
[22:51:48] <rue_house> litz
[22:52:03] <rue_house> ?
[22:52:30] <rue_house> zhanx, ?
[22:52:52] <katsmeow> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire
[22:53:20] <rue_house> kat, is litz the name you were looking for?
[22:54:44] <katsmeow> yeas, thanks
[22:55:14] <rue_house> ah wonderfull
[23:16:17] <__m00n__> WHATTTTTTTT
[23:16:22] <__m00n__> MILING MACHINE!!!!
[23:16:28] <__m00n__> fuck yeah
[23:16:39] <__m00n__> Splies here i come
[23:16:42] <zhanx> Rue _ house yes
[23:16:45] <__m00n__> splines
[23:17:00] <__m00n__> thats dope
[23:18:16] <katsmeow> wouldn't a horiz axis miller be better at splies than a vertical axis miller?
[23:18:31] <__m00n__> probs
[23:18:40] <__m00n__> but ill take what i can get
[23:18:46] <__m00n__> car stuff WOOOOOO
[23:19:32] <__m00n__> lets get some cyanide fer case hardning
[23:37:02] <rue_2bed> oh, I can make a slider for a cnc machine
[23:37:04] <rue_2bed> good pint
[23:37:23] <katsmeow> rue, zhanx , why don't se see more mill seyups on lahe beds, primarily using the crosslide as the mill table? but also able to mill stiff chicked in the lathe head?
[23:37:25] <rue_2bed> water works fine for hardening
[23:37:30] <rue_2bed> watch youtubevideos
[23:37:45] <katsmeow> or cabon (in oil)
[23:38:03] <rue_2bed> makes a softer hardening
[23:38:18] <rue_2bed> I was watching a video they were babbeling on about it
[23:38:22] <rue_2bed> with demos
[23:38:38] <rue_2bed> explained the whole colour guide
[23:39:20] <rue_2bed> this machine I got can have the head turned around to be a horiz mill
[23:47:41] <katsmeow> battery dimensions : 15x7x8 and 20x8x19 FEET
[23:47:48] <katsmeow> http://www.americanvanadium.com/
[23:48:00] <rue_2bed> hmm
[23:55:45] <__m00n__> sleeps bye
