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[00:02:33] <katsmeow> 1000pcs of 64k x 16 15ns srams , bid is $6 atm
[00:07:29] * rue_shop2 cries
[00:08:08] <katsmeow> why cry!?
[00:18:56] <rue_shop2> casue I will never get it, wait, are they even dip?
[00:19:23] <rue_shop2> hold up, I have a video I'm gonna take I wanna show you
[00:20:31] <katsmeow> they are j-lead dips
[00:20:34] <katsmeow> smd
[00:20:41] <rue_shop2> hmm
[00:20:50] <rue_shop2> .05 pitch?
[00:20:56] <katsmeow> i forget
[00:21:17] <katsmeow> SAMSUNG K6R1016V1C-JC15
[00:22:08] <katsmeow> yeas, .05"
[00:22:18] <katsmeow> 1.27mm
[00:22:28] <katsmeow> 44 pin
[00:22:57] <katsmeow> package is .440 wide and 1.125 long
[00:26:41] <katsmeow> i wonder why they don't have an edo pin on it, the core is 512 wide
[00:27:37] <katsmeow> could pop new data at 5ns from a 15ns chip
[00:29:37] <rue_house> downloading video from camera
[00:29:56] <rue_house> I can do .05 pitch too
[00:30:29] <katsmeow> did you see the radial engine made of wood on .............................. imgur ?
[00:31:13] <rue_house> no...
[00:31:50] <katsmeow> he didn't fuel it up, which was prolly a good ting
[00:37:30] <rue_house> uploading to youtube...
[00:37:55] <rue_house> waiting for youtube to process it
[00:38:38] <rue_house> oh I should have used 'a hard days night' in the background
[00:39:45] <rue_house> https://youtu.be/5vLEtVLV71I
[00:41:03] <katsmeow> it's demanding abodeflash
[00:41:04] <rue_house> spot welder + coathanger wire + paint, nice combo
[00:41:36] <katsmeow> i cannot watch it live on this puter anyhow, so dl'ing it, will watch n laptop when it gets here
[00:42:06] <rue_house> k
[00:42:08] <rue_house> gnight
[00:43:09] <katsmeow> it's hee!
[00:43:20] <katsmeow> if you gogot bed now, i won't watch it
[00:43:32] <katsmeow> cusswords
[00:44:00] <katsmeow> i got it in mp4 too, but you goto bed, $%^&$^
[00:44:24] <rue_house> in a bit, I thought you said you wouldn't see it tonight
[00:44:34] <katsmeow> never said that
[00:44:35] <rue_house> I'll wait
[00:45:32] <katsmeow> good show
[00:45:59] <katsmeow> those big inner shoulder gears look familiar, but the rest looks all new
[00:46:26] <katsmeow> the style of the wrist is familiar
[00:47:00] <rue_house> the shoulder gears are the ones that operate the fingers on the VCR
[00:47:07] <rue_house> yea, too much new these days
[00:47:23] <katsmeow> you used them on another arm, i mean
[00:47:35] <rue_house> I made a bunch of those grippers
[00:47:42] <rue_house> did a batch of like 6
[00:47:49] <rue_house> was supposed to list some on ebay
[00:47:57] <katsmeow> i cannot make out the music
[00:48:19] <rue_house> I didn't think of it, or I'd have set something related and turned it up
[00:49:05] <katsmeow> the gripper, counter rotating allthread?
[00:49:37] <katsmeow> what's it using for a controller?
[00:50:49] <katsmeow> are the kids building their own this weekend?
[00:50:49] <rue_house> two slide bars
[00:50:59] <rue_house> there is a lever that works them both at the same time
[00:51:07] <rue_house> too complex a build for them yet
[00:51:13] <katsmeow> have you named it yet?
[00:51:32] <rue_house> they are all hobby servo (per shame) an avr generates all the control pulses
[00:51:38] <rue_house> its "arm 8"
[00:51:45] <katsmeow> heh
[00:53:17] <katsmeow> i have some steel rectangular tube, thinwall, pretty strong tho, 1 x 2 inch , was eyeing it for bearings yesterday
[00:53:55] <katsmeow> thinking twin parallel "bones" , mount the heavy actuators between them
[00:55:16] <rue_house> hmm, maybe I shouldn't worry about making the finished hands for the mecha
[00:55:44] <katsmeow> why not?
[00:57:20] <rue_house> its holding me up
[00:57:44] <rue_house> if I want to use it this summer, I can make simple grippers like on those but bigger, just like youwere suggesting
[00:58:51] <katsmeow> i still dream of 3 robots: one my size to give me a hand when i'm 70, one resembling a small tyranisaur i can ride, and a robotic cat body for Tiggr to chase cars on the interstate with
[01:00:15] <rue_house> heheh
[01:00:56] <rue_house> sitting on a tauranisaur watching a cat chase traffic, thats an evening well spent.
[01:01:15] <katsmeow> "tiggr, where are you??" "on I-20, i just caught another buick!"
[01:01:50] <katsmeow> jlf> 3d printer from old cd-roms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcUNriwwjJI
[01:02:10] <katsmeow> i wold swear right away the cd motors are too small
[01:04:33] <katsmeow> i am thinking gas cylinders for the hind legs, the kind with fuel injectors (propane) and spark plugs
[01:06:38] <katsmeow> a real cheetah in top form can hit 60mph from a standing stop in 3 sec
[01:07:39] <katsmeow> the F-117 could fly, prooving anything can get into the air, so a robot cat should be able to also
[01:10:41] <rue_house> :)
[01:17:38] <rue_house> ugh, the maker fair wants me to write a 40 word bio of myself
[01:18:18] <katsmeow> have the new arm write it
[01:19:21] <katsmeow> 3D print it
[01:19:57] <rue_house> I'm not good at writing
[01:20:38] <katsmeow> "i spend all my time making things so i can take it easy"
[01:20:48] <rue_house> hmm
[01:21:02] <rue_house> till I realized that everything needs to be maintained
[01:21:16] <rue_house> at that moment I beifly panicked
[01:21:16] <katsmeow> yeas, hence the arm and state machines
[01:22:17] <katsmeow> what is that thing called that has 3 rings that flips people around till they upchuck?
[01:22:37] <rue_house> sometimes called an astronaut trainer
[01:22:49] <rue_house> gimbal cage...
[01:25:44] <rue_house> cat I'm interested in how many nerves are between a light flashing and pushing a button to say a light flashed
[01:25:50] <rue_house> cause I dont think its that many
[01:25:55] <rue_house> cat?
[01:25:57] <rue_house> hmm
[01:26:16] <katsmeow> how many nerves?
[01:26:19] <rue_house> they want 50 words min about what I'm showin
[01:26:36] <rue_house> yea, how many neurons in the brains path
[01:26:49] <rue_house> I think that 40% of the brain is just signal routing
[01:26:52] <katsmeow> prolly million within the brain
[01:27:15] <rue_house> and I think that the actual paths for most operations are really short, a few hundred to low thousands of neurons involved
[01:27:34] <katsmeow> the light must be seen , determined to be the signal, remember what to do about it, decide to do it, then do it
[01:28:01] <rue_house> I start to suspect the brain is just a managed chaotic routing system
[01:28:19] <rue_house> katsmeow, and yet the responce time can be just a few ms
[01:28:22] <katsmeow> but it has permission checks along the way
[01:28:45] <rue_house> so, how long does a neuron take to trigger, they have a propigation delay
[01:28:50] <rue_house> they ARE chemical
[01:29:09] <rue_house> divide responce time by firing time to get a ballpark of how many were involved
[01:29:20] <katsmeow> there's tons of tiny sort and long routing, like even remembering to do something when the light is percived to be the signal to do something when it occurs
[01:29:47] <rue_house> I'm gonna bet its less than 5000 neurons long
[01:30:02] <rue_house> its important cause it reflects the depth of the mesh
[01:30:21] <katsmeow> only if your transmission time estimates are good
[01:36:58] <katsmeow> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_conduction_velocity#Normal_conduction_velocities
[01:37:38] <katsmeow> some nerves are 60x faster than otehrs
[01:37:49] <rue_house> excelent
[01:38:48] <katsmeow> i have a feeling the neves in the brain aren't studied because they are microscopically short
[01:38:58] <rue_house> ~1mm
[01:39:03] <rue_house> longer than I thought
[01:39:12] <rue_house> heh, there is a joke in there somewhere
[01:41:50] <katsmeow> i can think about it for around 4mm, and then i give up
[01:42:48] <katsmeow> among most of the adult population, conduction velocities between the wrist and digits of an individual's hand decrease by 0.5 m/s for each inch increase in height
[01:42:51] <rue_house> kat
[01:42:59] <katsmeow> rue
[01:43:03] <rue_house> I'm the ONLY joe-blow entering the fair
[01:43:12] <rue_house> everyone else is an organization or group
[01:43:15] <rue_house> :/
[01:43:54] <rue_house> well, non-commercial joe-blow
[01:44:15] <katsmeow> what involves "entering" it? having a sponsor? renting a booth?
[01:44:25] <rue_house> applying and paying the fee
[01:44:26] <katsmeow> are you invited, or can anyone show up?
[01:44:28] <rue_house> ~$40
[01:44:42] <katsmeow> you are paying $40 to show which?
[01:44:52] <katsmeow> do you get to show?
[01:45:09] <rue_house> yea 10x10 space with a table and chairs
[01:45:10] <rue_house> and power
[01:45:27] <katsmeow> so yoou will show the arm, and what else?
[01:45:44] <rue_house> ....
[01:45:53] <rue_house> you cant suggest anything then?
[01:45:59] <rue_house> this is gonna be harder than I thought
[01:46:07] <rue_house> I'll just rake togethor some stuff
[01:46:17] <rue_house> if there are flashing lights and motion people love it
[01:46:26] <rue_house> if you add sound, they REALLY LOVE it
[01:46:44] <katsmeow> no, you need to impress the geeks
[01:46:52] <rue_house> oh there is a guy, ok, few.
[01:47:01] <katsmeow> not even a "i can make this too" thing
[01:47:04] <rue_house> you cant impress geeks
[01:47:18] <katsmeow> you can impress me and Tom and zhanx
[01:47:18] <rue_house> pregeeks
[01:47:19] <rue_house> well
[01:47:25] <rue_house> I can?
[01:47:32] <katsmeow> i think you do
[01:47:34] <rue_house> *blink*
[01:48:06] <katsmeow> when is the show?
[01:48:12] <rue_house> hmm
[01:48:18] <rue_house> may10?
[01:48:30] <katsmeow> so you have 2 months
[01:48:48] <katsmeow> the arm you just did is definately a go
[01:48:58] <rue_house> june 10
[01:49:14] <rue_house> I'd like to make more marble ways
[01:49:17] <katsmeow> how about a beefier mowerbot to follow yo and bring it into the place?
[01:49:49] <rue_house> the beefier needs wheel velocity tracking, which isn't ready yet
[01:50:06] <rue_house> tho, using a robot to carry everything in would be nice
[01:50:18] <katsmeow> you have 3 months, you can train it by rial and error in that time
[01:50:36] <rue_house> part of the issue is that I ahve to do the writeup now
[01:57:32] <rue_house> ugh
[01:57:41] <rue_house> Rue will be presenting a variety of technology projects, all of which are custom designed and hand built from scratch. The lineup includes a number of stationary robot arms, wheeled robots, and electronics projects. Come see, ask and learn some of the tricks that over 25 years experience of building robots has to offer.
[01:57:43] <rue_house> ?
[01:58:14] <rue_house> I think it reads like a piece of wire thats been "straightened" too many times
[01:59:21] <katsmeow> heh
[02:00:56] <katsmeow> you still can make that muscle and printer position tape thing? have the arm operate it
[02:01:26] <rue_house> hmm
[02:01:30] <rue_house> air muscles...
[02:02:02] <rue_house> compressor might be too loud
[02:02:16] <rue_house> "please help pump up this robot! --->"
[02:02:36] <rue_house> it would prolly be overpumped for 2 days straight
[02:02:45] <katsmeow> pre-compressed portable air?
[02:03:03] <rue_house> 2 days
[02:03:11] <rue_house> a roll of duct tape is REQUIRED
[02:05:24] <katsmeow> you recompress it at night
[02:05:52] <rue_house> that would be a big tank
[02:05:59] <rue_house> I think
[02:06:31] <katsmeow> what do other people show?
[02:06:51] <rue_house> http://makerfaire.ca/2015-makers/
[02:16:42] <katsmeow> most of these look like they wanna sell stuff, or have people join their group
[02:17:03] <rue_house> yea
[02:17:10] <rue_house> like I said, I'm one of few
[02:17:50] <rue_house> I'm just there to show people what can be done
[02:18:00] <rue_house> "see you fools! its easy!" :)
[02:18:30] <katsmeow> geese there's a lot of maker laces in Van
[02:18:34] <katsmeow> places
[02:18:36] <rue_house> then go back to banging my head against trapazoidal velocity profilers ;)
[02:19:12] <rue_house> I need to inverse the profiler I made
[02:19:29] <rue_house> it tells you the positions to be at for regular time slices
[02:19:46] <rue_house> I have regular position slices and need to work out the delays between them
[02:20:25] <rue_house> my code basically makes a chart of the profile, and then walks along the time axis
[02:20:32] <rue_house> so the change should be easy
[02:22:13] <rue_house> dispiote my better judgement, i'm going to go to sleep
[02:23:57] * katsmeow is lost for suggestions for the show
[02:26:11] * katsmeow waves gnites
[20:39:54] <zhanx> Ok my tablet must be at work
[20:40:06] <rue_house> hmm
[20:40:07] <zhanx> Its online
[20:40:10] <rue_house> dont you work at home?
[20:40:19] <zhanx> A d the gps adds up
[20:40:22] <rue_house> zhanx, did you see the marble robot arm?
[20:40:33] <zhanx> No i got a job and no
[20:41:56] <rue_house> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vLEtVLV71I
[20:42:49] <zhanx> Nice
[20:44:34] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/roomoate.jpg
[20:44:39] <rue_house> the shop used to be a big space
[20:48:15] <zhanx> Rain and ice tonight
[20:49:10] <rue_house> better than ice and fire
[22:00:18] * katsmeow sits down to the channel table with a bowl of baked beans
[22:10:09] * rue_house yawns
[22:10:29] <__m00n__> so how do I do a nohup
[22:12:20] <rue_house> nohup tail -f /var/log/syslog &
[22:12:53] <__m00n__> OH its not some C buz?
[22:13:32] <__m00n__> did we make a hup signal handler before I left
[22:13:34] <__m00n__> ?
[22:13:48] <katsmeow> what's a hup ?
[22:15:05] <rue_house> hup is a hangup signal event from the kernel
[22:15:14] <__m00n__> yes
[22:15:35] <__m00n__> so I can use trhat nohup command or make a handler in my c program right?
[22:15:43] <rue_house> back in th modem days it meant your user went away
[22:16:05] <rue_house> right, we did that at the shop didnt we?
[22:16:15] <rue_house> for ctrl-c?
[22:17:03] <__m00n__> I think it was for a hup
[22:17:13] <__m00n__> i used kill with a hup flag
[22:17:17] <__m00n__> on it
[22:17:47] <__m00n__> maybe -3
[22:17:49] <__m00n__> ??
[22:17:54] <__m00n__> not -9
[22:18:05] <__m00n__> kuz we couldnt handle a real KILL
[22:18:26] <rue_house> well, I cant find it on the server
[22:18:42] <rue_house> its not under zack and its not in /programming/c/
[22:18:43] <__m00n__> ah no worries I have enough to think about now
[22:19:11] <rue_house> its not
[22:19:14] <rue_house> what.c
[22:19:25] <__m00n__> XD
[22:19:32] <rue_house> bin_mes.c
[22:19:42] <rue_house> stop.c
[22:19:49] <rue_house> over.c
[22:19:56] <rue_house> main3.c
[22:20:00] <rue_house> main.c
[22:20:07] <rue_house> main2.c
[22:20:14] <__m00n__> grep HUP
[22:20:16] <rue_house> so I dunno
[22:20:18] <__m00n__> cat *
[22:20:28] <__m00n__> so I met the people in the industrial automation class
[22:20:31] <katsmeow> "rue, train the arm to sort parts" <<== i been saying that for years
[22:20:43] <rue_house> katsmeow, :)
[22:20:56] <__m00n__> I think youd laugh at thier stuff
[22:21:06] <rue_house> I got a scale recently that may be able to weigh a nut with some resolution
[22:21:17] <__m00n__> :0
[22:21:24] <__m00n__> weed scale?
[22:21:33] <rue_house> prettymuch
[22:21:36] <__m00n__> ha
[22:21:49] <__m00n__> "dude thats a light quarter :("
[22:21:50] <rue_house> you need to have some digits to seperate them from one anohter
[22:22:23] <katsmeow> sort drill bits out of a pile, based on weight
[22:22:43] <rue_house> I only have about 20 misc drill bits
[22:23:15] <rue_house> I got a scale, but I need to work out a serial interface
[22:23:57] <katsmeow> so spend $10 on a pack of 15 cheap chinese ones, have the arm pick one off the plate, weigh it, and place it heavy to the left, light to the right, repeat till done
[22:24:18] <__m00n__> JUST SAW THAT MARBLE
[22:24:22] <__m00n__> SUPER COOL
[22:24:27] <rue_house> :)
[22:24:35] <rue_house> now I need to make more and set up all 3
[22:24:44] <rue_house> 3, 3.5, 4
[22:24:52] <katsmeow> those scales work on the resistance of a blob painted onto an aluminum bar, maybe you can build that bar into the arm
[22:25:25] <rue_house> the largest problem is seperating the screws
[22:25:58] <rue_house> the vibration sorter didn't work out yet, the partly-hardening cement I have wont set
[22:26:09] <rue_house> I have to get more and try again
[22:49:37] <__m00n__> Hay rue
[22:49:42] <__m00n__> this example here
[22:50:08] <rue_house> ...
[22:50:11] <__m00n__> http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/
[22:50:14] <__m00n__> gtk
[22:50:20] <__m00n__> -getting-started
[22:50:25] <__m00n__> .html
[22:51:04] <__m00n__> buddy defines 'activate'
[22:51:35] <__m00n__> but it looks that wherever it apears again no paramaters are passed to it
[22:52:38] <rue_house> its proabably a callback
[22:52:42] <rue_house> the system calls it, not you
[22:52:49] <__m00n__> oh
[22:53:10] <rue_house> g_signal_connect (app, "activate", G_CALLBACK (activate), NULL);
[22:53:22] <__m00n__> says call back :P
[22:53:46] <rue_house> he is telling the system that he's created a function for the system to call when it has an 'activate' message
[22:54:29] <__m00n__> damn it I hate when gus use names that are the same for two difernt things
[22:58:36] <__m00n__> http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/simple_window.html
[22:58:50] <__m00n__> do these function return values have names???
[22:59:27] <rue_house> __m00n__,
[23:00:00] <rue_house> http://paste.debian.net/418286/
[23:01:54] <__m00n__> whoa
[23:01:56] <katsmeow> there's two movies called "the black hole", 1979 and 2014 , totally different movies, and i didn't even consider the pr0n video
[23:02:20] <__m00n__> funtion pointers?
[23:02:22] <rue_house> hmm
[23:02:25] <rue_house> __m00n__, yes
[23:02:37] <rue_house> what I'm gonna show you next will blow your mind
[23:03:00] <__m00n__> could it be finctio = f1 or *function = &f1
[23:12:36] <__m00n__> shower and sleep time , blow my mind tomorrow :)
[23:12:39] <rue_house> its blowing mine, please stand by
[23:12:41] <__m00n__> ZACK OUT
