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[00:00:43] <rue_house> there was less than 2L of sand in the sandblaster today, so I added 2L
[00:01:19] <rue_house> it was all wet and jammed so I cleaned it out, there was over 20L of sand total in the booth
[00:01:57] <katsmeow> you re-use the sand?
[00:02:07] <rue_house> I have the sand in the shop, drying
[00:02:12] <rue_house> yea, it recirculates it
[00:02:14] <rue_house> in the booth
[00:02:20] <rue_house> thats why its made like a hopper
[00:02:37] <rue_house> a vacuum pulls out the stuff thats too small (dust!)
[00:02:53] <rue_house> a peice of bug mesh catches things that would plug it up
[00:02:58] <rue_house> like WET SAND
[00:02:59] <rue_house> ...
[00:03:07] <katsmeow> then why did you need to add 2L if it alread has 20 ?
[00:03:17] <rue_house> it was all stuck to edges and stuff
[00:03:23] <rue_house> soaking wet
[00:03:23] <katsmeow> o
[00:03:47] <rue_house> as I was dealing with that the air line saw fit to explode
[00:03:53] <katsmeow> drum/motor from a clothes dryer, and a fan?
[00:03:54] <rue_house> just randomly
[00:04:21] <rue_house> it'll dry if I just leave it in the shop for a whuile
[00:04:29] <rue_house> i need to get the booth under conver
[00:04:42] <rue_house> I need lots more under cover
[00:05:08] <rue_house> the deck is gonna go from storage to workspace
[00:05:37] <rue_house> chopsaw, tablesaw, sandblaster and press
[00:06:14] <rue_house> lola8088, if your listening out there, I need to know what we can do with the sink!
[00:06:39] <katsmeow> i would not put those tools outside for anyone to steal, put them inside for the persistant level of theif
[00:06:53] <rue_house> nobody steals things out here
[00:06:57] <rue_house> not often
[00:07:41] <katsmeow> no return business?
[00:08:58] <rue_shop3> I often have multiple crowbars and sledgehammers sitting by the front door
[00:09:32] <rue_shop3> it once occured to me that thats a bad place for them
[00:09:35] <katsmeow> i put those things inside, where they won't help breaking in
[00:09:50] <rue_shop3> tho, if someone pushed hard the front door would fall off
[00:10:59] <katsmeow> Robot, when off-duty, power down leaning against the inside of the door
[00:11:19] <rue_shop3> heh, your overcrediting the door
[00:11:53] <rue_shop3> its not a problem here
[00:12:20] <rue_shop3> you cant even put things out by the road without a "FREE" sign if you want them to dissapear
[00:12:49] <rue_shop3> that said, someone took one of my free signs
[00:13:01] <katsmeow> lol
[00:13:13] <rue_shop3> the one after said, in small print at the bottom, "$10 for this sign"
[00:20:44] <rue_shop3> canada is different
[00:21:01] <rue_shop3> tho, for vancuover I put a kill switch in my truck
[00:21:07] * katsmeow is somewhat aware of that
[00:21:31] <rue_shop3> its the 'trunk release' button ;)
[00:21:37] <rue_shop3> hehehe
[00:21:42] <katsmeow> question: whatever happened to running the truck off 100 vac cleaner motors?
[00:21:50] <rue_shop3> battereis
[00:22:06] <rue_shop3> only lead-acid batteries wont cost $20000
[00:22:14] <rue_shop3> but they arn't the best performers
[00:22:57] <katsmeow> they are sucky performers overall, but they do make cheap heavy duty bursts of power for 30 sec
[00:23:12] <rue_shop3> so I either have to go with lead-acid, wait for prices to come down on other things, or build a volumetric electron storage cell
[00:23:26] <katsmeow> lead acid powering electric cars is the most expensive way to move lead around
[00:23:53] <rue_shop3> gas is $1.08/L
[00:23:58] <rue_shop3> which is low
[00:24:08] <rue_shop3> it almost bit $1.50/L
[00:24:13] <katsmeow> what about a 15hp propane-engine-genny doing a constant recharge on a smaller battery pack?
[00:24:43] <rue_shop3> lots of options
[00:25:02] <rue_shop3> electricity is about 1/10 the price of gas for operating a car
[00:25:17] <rue_shop3> so, even if the lead eats 50% of the efficiency
[00:25:24] <katsmeow> but yo cannot carry the electricity around
[00:25:35] <rue_shop3> how do you mean
[00:25:47] <rue_shop3> if I plug into the house
[00:26:04] <rue_shop3> the equiv gas bill for the same vehicel usage is 10x
[00:26:10] <katsmeow> next best option is the cheapest fuel possible, making up base lod of the traction motor over some longer time interval, like 10 minutes
[00:26:45] <rue_shop3> there is another storage cell
[00:26:48] <rue_shop3> its less stable
[00:26:56] <katsmeow> i would bet, without even seeing the hill you live on, that at the end of the day the truck batteries won't get you home
[00:27:53] <rue_shop3> it consists of a vessel that assembles particles into an arragement that only makes them stable within that cell, the matter is assembled and dissassembled during charge/discharge
[00:28:12] <rue_shop3> my typical drive is 20km
[00:28:16] <rue_shop3> per week
[00:28:33] <rue_shop3> as I understand, I need a min of 20kwh
[00:28:47] <katsmeow> but in a big town, it's typical to spend more time at traffic lites or stopepd in turn lanes, than actually movng
[00:28:58] <rue_shop3> dont have a big town, this is for me
[00:29:00] <rue_shop3> 20km
[00:29:30] <katsmeow> yo need a base power of whatever it takes to do the longest and/or uphill drive
[00:29:51] <katsmeow> then add a recharge genny on the cheapest fuel you can get
[00:29:57] <rue_shop3> iirc, the number from almost every electric vehicle come out to about 1kwh/km
[00:30:23] <katsmeow> trucks weigh tons and carry tons tho
[00:30:33] <katsmeow> and the battery pack weighs tons
[00:30:58] <rue_shop3> I guess 9 12V, 100Ah batteries would do it
[00:31:12] <rue_shop3> and I drive up and down the hills
[00:31:41] <katsmeow> the leadacid i put in my vw squatted it down pretty hard, and top end was still only 45mph with a tailwind on level ground right off 2 days of charging
[00:32:05] <rue_shop3> 12V*100Ah = 1200wh * 0.2 (20% discharge) * 9 = ~2000.... oops
[00:32:29] <rue_shop3> 83 100Ah 12V?
[00:32:36] <rue_shop3> thats not right
[00:32:42] <rue_shop3> maybe I dont need to factor in the 20%
[00:33:01] <rue_shop3> 16x 12V, 100Ah
[00:33:14] <katsmeow> it will be a huge number, you may wanna reinforce the frame, hence i suggest the base-load recharger genny and less cash on overweight batteries
[00:33:46] <katsmeow> and you loose 50% power in winter
[00:34:16] <rue_shop3> I'v never worked out the details of a unstable matter cell
[00:34:38] <rue_shop3> they are surprisingly easy to do tho
[00:34:44] <rue_shop3> just, not always safe
[00:34:53] <katsmeow> i had 9 bateries making 36v and 2 more to make 48, and the 6v vw system power, and *normal* top end was 35 on level ground, and the tires always looked flat
[00:35:22] <rue_shop3> the truck I have for the test conversion is a sanoma pickup
[00:35:56] <rue_shop3> http://www.admiralmotors.com/chicago/2000-GMC-Sonoma_03_364fb5fb635e90617552f5dfcff625e8.jpg
[00:35:58] <rue_shop3> like that
[00:36:21] <rue_shop3> except red and more decrepid looking
[00:36:26] <katsmeow> superhortbed
[00:36:43] <rue_shop3> yea, its that type, with the larger cab
[00:36:52] <rue_shop3> IT WAS $500
[00:36:56] <katsmeow> prolly put battery racks each side of the driveshaft
[00:37:05] <rue_shop3> its a standard with the engine pre-removed
[00:37:10] <katsmeow> $500? WHAT WAS WRONG WITH IT ?
[00:37:11] <rue_shop3> yea
[00:37:14] <katsmeow> o
[00:37:28] <katsmeow> that was nice of them to remove the engine for you
[00:37:49] <rue_shop3> they also removed the GAS PEDAL, the POWER STEERING PUMP, and PART OF THE WIRING HARNESS
[00:37:55] <rue_shop3> >:|
[00:38:35] <katsmeow> you can make a gas pedal, find a 12v hydraulic pump off a garage lift
[00:38:37] <rue_shop3> either the electrical system in its completely fried, or I'm not putting the power into the right wire, cause things do NOT work right
[00:38:45] <rue_shop3> I got a pedal from the scrapper
[00:38:57] <rue_shop3> hydraulic garage lift!?
[00:39:01] <rue_shop3> !?!?!
[00:39:08] <rue_shop3> ....
[00:39:11] <katsmeow> yeas
[00:39:18] <rue_shop3> ooooo
[00:39:25] <katsmeow> i grabbed several when a local repair shop closed up
[00:39:31] <rue_shop3> I been trying to find pumps that match so I can put a motor on them
[00:39:47] <rue_shop3> you still have them dont you
[00:39:53] <katsmeow> of course
[00:40:08] <katsmeow> 5 or 6, in various conditions and options
[00:40:11] * rue_shop3 adds to the list of reasons to take a drive to alabama
[00:40:20] <katsmeow> $10 or so , each
[00:40:27] * rue_shop3 hits head on desk
[00:41:44] <katsmeow> prices for buying at the recycler went up , to 25 cents per lbs , so a 2hp motor is now like $8
[00:42:08] <katsmeow> riding mowers, with engine and mower deck, $90 - $100
[00:42:10] <rue_shop3> *smack* *smack* *smack*
[00:42:29] <katsmeow> gotta keep your eyes open and have cash available
[00:42:30] <rue_shop3> 50c/lb here
[00:42:39] <rue_shop3> but they dont have anything
[00:42:55] <rue_shop3> and I work, so I cant get there when they are open
[00:43:09] <rue_shop3> and last thursday when I was off I forgot
[00:43:13] <katsmeow> recyclers aren't paying much now that China has stopped importing scrap steel to make rebar
[00:43:22] <rue_shop3> cause I need some expanded steel to add to that mecha thing
[00:43:47] <rue_shop3> maybe they are cutting up ships,
[00:43:54] <rue_shop3> you can make a lot of rebar from a ship
[00:44:28] <rue_shop3> a buddy was showing me videos of 3rd world shipbreaking
[00:44:30] <rue_shop3> WOW
[00:44:44] <rue_shop3> hundreds of huge ships waiting to be scrapped
[00:44:52] <katsmeow> yeas
[00:45:06] <rue_shop3> slowly being cut to peices small enough to carry to the smelter
[00:45:07] <katsmeow> lotta oil rigs when to scrappers in the last 10 yrs
[00:45:26] <rue_shop3> by young children
[00:45:47] <katsmeow> in some places, tehy take them offshore, then pedal-to-the-metal drive them onto the beach
[00:45:56] <rue_shop3> yup
[00:46:09] <rue_shop3> I think its a waste
[00:46:31] <rue_shop3> cant be so useless
[00:46:49] <katsmeow> me too, but storms crack welds in the worst places, ditto microfractures anywhere
[00:46:56] <rue_shop3> sounds like the work of politics
[00:47:20] <katsmeow> that too, insurance cancels after 20 yrs on the water, usually, and the tax writeoffs end too
[00:47:52] <katsmeow> and whatever the ship was built to do changes, killing the market for that style ship
[00:48:32] <rue_shop3> I bet most of those ships have a machine shop with a lathe, drillpress and grinder
[00:48:56] <rue_shop3> a fellow over here bought an old verry
[00:48:59] <katsmeow> and pony engines, gennies, etc etc
[00:49:10] <rue_shop3> there was 2000L of diesel in the 'bottom of the tank'
[00:49:26] <rue_shop3> at more than $1.50/L
[00:50:53] * katsmeow nods
[00:51:17] <katsmeow> like your $500 truck, the tires on it are prolly worth that
[00:51:53] <rue_shop3> they are aluminum rims
[00:52:19] <katsmeow> sorry
[00:52:26] <rue_shop3> hehe
[00:52:35] <rue_shop3> those are considered worth more
[00:53:09] <katsmeow> i know, but they warp and are ruined easier too, steel rims that actually do serious work are $1000 or more
[00:53:14] <katsmeow> errrrr
[00:53:19] <katsmeow> i know, but they warp and are ruined easier too, alum rims that actually do serious work are $1000 or more
[00:53:30] <katsmeow> steel rims that do work are way cheaper
[00:54:42] <rue_shop3> mm
[00:56:10] <katsmeow> hit a curb in an alum rim, you gotta replace it, good luck finding a matching rim
[00:56:26] <katsmeow> steel rims have been known to be bent straight again
[00:56:37] <katsmeow> and if yoou must replace it, way cheaper
[00:57:47] <katsmeow> tooth aching, time fore more drugs and alcohol
[00:58:31] <rue_shop3> I dont tend to hit curbs
[00:59:02] <katsmeow> me either
[01:00:29] <rue_shop3> 6 thou press fit you think?
[01:00:32] <rue_shop3> on this insert?
[01:00:38] <rue_shop3> freezer / torch?
[01:01:19] <katsmeow> 6 is going to take some pressure, if it was a ball bearing i'd say it will partially bind the bearing
[01:01:44] <rue_shop3> k, 4?
[01:02:18] <rue_shop3> 0.11mm
[01:02:40] <katsmeow> 4 is prolly safe
[01:04:05] <rue_shop3> what do you think of the idea of overboring the middle ~1" of the roller to prevent it from necking and rolling on the middle?
[01:04:55] <rue_shop3> it might also give somewhere for grease to live
[01:10:42] <rue_shop3> insert 25.83mm
[01:10:44] <rue_shop3> small end
[01:11:00] <katsmeow> i dunno
[01:11:08] <katsmeow> bran is shutting off for the nite
[01:11:26] <rue_shop3> bored hole 23.04mm
[01:11:42] <rue_shop3> the hole needs to be 25.83 - 0.11
[01:11:54] <rue_shop3> which is 25.72mm
[01:12:21] <katsmeow> freezer overnite, ram it into the hole within a cople seconds of removing it from the freezer
[01:12:22] <rue_shop3> diff is 2.68mm
[01:12:45] <rue_shop3> I have to peel out 53.6 ticks
[01:13:10] * katsmeow is gonna sign off
[01:17:14] <rue_shop3> goal is 25.72mm
[01:17:45] <rue_shop3> currently 23.66
[01:18:05] <rue_shop3> 41.2 units
[01:22:15] <rue_shop3> currently 24.00
[01:22:45] <rue_shop3> 34.4 units
[01:27:10] <rue_shop3> currently 24.6
[01:27:31] <rue_shop3> 22.4 units
[01:27:56] <rue_shop3> varriation of about .4mm
[01:32:12] <rue_shop3> currently 25 units
[01:32:19] <rue_shop3> goal is 25.72mm
[01:32:31] <rue_shop3> 14 units
[01:32:52] <rue_shop3> so I'll take off 8
[01:38:23] <rue_shop3> currentyl 25.28
[01:38:35] <rue_shop3> 8 more units
[01:50:42] <rue_shop3> currenltly 25.62
[03:48:58] <rue_house> ok, -12c and 100c
[03:55:57] <rue_shop3> well, it dropped in about the first 1/2"
[03:56:00] <rue_shop3> er 1/4"
[03:58:38] <rue_shop3> the 20 ton press took it the rest of the way
[03:58:44] <rue_shop3> as quick as I could
[05:12:07] <rue_shop3> rue_house, buy 30' of 1/2" pvc pipe, and contact cement
