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[00:44:43] <katsmeow> hello ?
[00:45:17] * katsmeow goes to bed, gnites
[21:42:43] * katsmeow fires up the machine to fire 100's of 7/16 flat washers across the foor
[21:57:14] * katsmeow expects rue's robot to pick them all up with a magnet
[22:11:28] <katsmeow> http://DesignerThinking.com/images/DSCF6738m.jpg
[22:11:36] <katsmeow> all the pills in the bottle barely fill the bottlecap
[22:16:18] <rue_shop3> my ad-cock design for a disc sander is trying to go left
[22:16:24] <rue_shop3> er, ad-hock...
[22:17:13] <katsmeow> vise grips!
[22:22:24] <rue_shop3> I did! I did!
[22:22:28] <rue_shop3> and peices of wood
[22:22:30] <rue_shop3> and plastic...
[22:22:47] <Tom_itx> a brief hello... and good night.
[22:23:10] <katsmeow> HI TOM !
[22:23:27] <katsmeow> rain makes you sleepy?
[22:23:42] <Tom_itx> long days make me sleepy
[22:23:46] <Tom_itx> final tomorrow
[22:23:56] <katsmeow> oh , good lucks
[22:24:05] <Tom_itx> not worried
[22:28:52] <rue_shop3> sometimes I just make really intriquite peices of scrap metal
[22:29:41] <katsmeow> i took pics of some
[22:33:10] <rue_shop3> *&%^%#$(
[22:33:16] * rue_shop3 puts flatbar on the shopping list
[22:33:57] <katsmeow> i just got some Friday
[22:39:31] <rue_shop3> starting to rain, packing up
[22:42:18] <zhanx> Just ordered 300 in tools
[22:42:29] <katsmeow> again!?
[22:42:49] <katsmeow> of course, some tools cost more than $300 each
[22:45:02] <zhanx> Small hand tools
[22:45:26] <zhanx> I got my van for 3000 less then I thought so tools
[22:45:39] <katsmeow> ah
[22:45:52] <katsmeow> so no fixing the truck?
[22:46:04] <zhanx> Bought parts today
[22:46:36] <zhanx> Exploder is and always will be a play toy
[22:46:37] <katsmeow> what made it lose power in forward?
[22:46:54] <zhanx> Vacuum leak
[22:47:15] <katsmeow> i thought we discussed that
[22:47:15] <zhanx> Ford's have a vacuum ball. It's cracked
[22:47:17] <rue_shop3> kat, what do you use for cutting coolant?
[22:47:41] <zhanx> Wd-40?
[22:47:50] <katsmeow> plain oil, or silicone spray if i haveto
[22:48:13] <rue_shop3> silicone...
[22:48:14] <rue_shop3> hmmm
[22:48:15] <katsmeow> not having a lathe, only thing that gets hot cutting is the big drill press
[22:48:16] <rue_shop3> pam?
[22:48:21] <rue_shop3> yea
[22:48:40] <zhanx> Pam willmwork
[22:49:23] <rue_shop3> zhanx, I'm making a disc sander
[22:49:33] <zhanx> K
[22:49:43] <zhanx> Geared ?
[22:49:48] <rue_shop3> no
[22:49:55] <zhanx> Boo
[22:50:22] <rue_shop3> 1/2HP 1725RPM motor
[22:50:37] <katsmeow> i dug out a couple of my old VW transaxles to scavenge gears from, and scrap the aluminum bodies
[22:51:26] * rue_shop3 gives kat a sales pitch for a 12' mecha to help her dig thru the transaxles with ease
[22:51:45] <katsmeow> i'm not building a 12ft mecha
[22:52:16] <rue_shop3> thats good, it would be embarrasing,
[22:52:20] <katsmeow> i'll prolly chain drive the secret project
[22:52:28] <rue_shop3> as you would be done in a year and I'v been working on mine for like 3 now
[22:52:51] <rue_shop3> ok, it might have been like 6 now
[22:52:54] <rue_shop3> *sigh*
[22:53:12] <rue_shop3> I need a spare 9/16" wrench I can bend and cut
[22:53:18] <rue_shop3> and tack onto a nut
[22:53:43] <katsmeow> tack the wrence onto a nut? then why not take a flat bar ont the nut?
[22:54:03] <rue_shop3> a) I dont have any, apparently
[22:54:59] <katsmeow> i wouldn't ruin a wrench when all yo need is a 5cent bar stock
[22:56:58] <rue_shop3> cause I can get a 1$ wrench from the used building materials store
[22:57:06] <rue_shop3> and it'll be chomie
[22:58:10] <zhanx> Cut a groove in it?
[22:58:14] <katsmeow> which you should grind off before welding
[22:59:15] <zhanx> Use a hammer to mushroom the head?
[22:59:55] <katsmeow> i keep thinking of what i want the lil roller for, and i keep coming back to the idea that it would be easier and faster tomake several such rollers for each size task, than make one that does it all
[23:00:36] <zhanx> Jig vs awesome jig?
[23:00:46] <katsmeow> yeas
[23:01:02] <zhanx> I go with cheap now days
[23:01:25] <zhanx> Unless I know it will pay off
[23:01:52] <katsmeow> like, i have the skinny flat roller that does up to 3" wide, and i used for 1/4 plate ,, and i am building a 5ft wide roller, and need one to roll skinny flat *on edge*
[23:07:43] <rue_shop3> arg, 3 plans, and I need mroe flatbar
[23:07:50] <rue_shop3> oh, wait
[23:07:54] <rue_shop3> plan 4
[23:10:23] <katsmeow> getting those 2 puter code readers messed up my 1-cent-per-item on ebay, i am at 1.3 cents per item
[23:10:33] <rue_shop3> plan 4 works best if I had a sheet of 3/16 plate and a plasma cutter
[23:10:47] <rue_shop3> code readers?
[23:11:05] <katsmeow> OBDC 1
[23:11:12] <rue_shop3> ah
[23:11:28] <rue_shop3> http://newtoolreviews.com/images/w1708_cat_a1.jpg
[23:11:33] <rue_shop3> the motors on these must be tiny
[23:11:58] <rue_shop3> or the whole thing is larger than it looks
[23:13:15] <rue_shop3> my feet aren't long enough, so far it tips backwards
[23:13:27] <rue_shop3> which goes with the theme of all my projects being slightly imbalanced
[23:13:36] <katsmeow> HF has their belt-and-disc sander on sale atm, iirc i can get it for $60, but i already have one
[23:13:45] <rue_shop3> the hand tractor tips back when its not loaded
[23:14:11] <rue_shop3> the little battlemech is slightly back heavy
[23:14:27] <katsmeow> nice table on that
[23:14:36] <rue_shop3> I could cast one
[23:14:40] <rue_shop3> :|
[23:14:58] <rue_shop3> I'm planning to just use a peice of wood till I find a scraped table saw
[23:15:26] <rue_shop3> how big is the HF sander?
[23:15:30] <rue_shop3> mine is 9"
[23:15:49] <katsmeow> i have the lil one, 10" useful flat work area
[23:16:00] <rue_shop3> mine is 9" disc
[23:16:28] <rue_shop3> table is 12"
[23:16:42] <rue_shop3> I hope 1/2HP is enough
[23:16:50] <rue_shop3> at 17xx rpm I think it'll be ok
[23:17:08] <katsmeow> i think this is the one i have :
http://www.harborfreight.com/4-inch-x-36-inch-belt-6-inch-disc-sander-97181.html
[23:17:28] <rue_shop3> yea, I'm going straight disc
[23:18:09] <rue_shop3> hmm and its 3/4
[23:18:11] <katsmeow> i have not used the disc yet, but i wore ut several belts
[23:18:27] <katsmeow> need a longe belt, might lengthen that one
[23:19:08] <rue_shop3> do you think its really a 3/4hp motor?
[23:19:19] <katsmeow> mine isn't
[23:19:36] <katsmeow> it's only like 4" diameter
[23:19:53] <rue_shop3> mm
[23:19:53] <katsmeow> and i have seen only one smaller drive belt in my life
[23:20:27] <rue_shop3> did they bring the rpm up or down
[23:21:14] <katsmeow> i don't remember, maybe because it wasn't memorable, or i took sleep drugs an hr ago
[23:21:22] <rue_shop3> well I got the ridge L's welded on the two halfs of the outter case of the new boiler for bolting it togethor
[23:21:24] <katsmeow> almost sure ly, down
[23:21:31] <katsmeow> the belt isn't moving all that fast
[23:22:12] <katsmeow> why yu replacing the boiler?
[23:22:26] <rue_shop3> it was only designed to last about 3 years
[23:22:31] <rue_shop3> the firebox is DONE
[23:22:41] <rue_shop3> and I have a better design
[23:22:51] <rue_shop3> thats not really meant to last more than about 4 years
[23:23:03] <rue_shop3> it looks like it might be rpm up
[23:24:14] <rue_shop3> hmm the disc on that one is tiny
[23:25:05] * katsmeow nods
[23:25:53] <rue_shop3> k, well, I think I'm on a good track
[23:26:21] <rue_shop3> I"m suspictious of the ratings on some of the HF stuff
[23:27:23] <katsmeow> never buy their hammer drills or 90 degree drills
[23:27:34] <rue_shop3> ok
[23:27:48] <katsmeow> and anything battery powers, the batteries die permanently real fast
[23:28:32] <katsmeow> a coldless drill battery died some 8 yrs ago, i ran wires into it and run it off a $20 mower battery
[23:30:01] <katsmeow> was thinking today to try running it on a 19v laptop brick
[23:30:29] <rue_shop3> how much juice does it draw?
[23:32:01] <katsmeow> dunno, cheap wires dont get warm, so cannot be more than 4 amps
[23:32:06] <katsmeow> locked rotor
[23:32:20] <katsmeow> i think the vari-speed trigger is ding current limiting
[23:33:00] <katsmeow> else running it one 24v usng two lead acids wold have caused errors in operation
[23:33:26] * rue_shop3 nods
[23:33:55] <rue_shop3> ok, I dont think my design is worse than anything I'm seeing online
[23:34:59] <katsmeow> just remember that a 9inch disc spinning at 1800 rpm gettng loose is going to be dangerous
[23:35:09] <rue_shop3> tho they are using a 1HP 1750rpm motor for a 12" disc
[23:35:39] <katsmeow> you downloading HF owner manuals?
[23:36:00] <rue_shop3> no, grizzley
[23:36:06] <rue_shop3> G7297
[23:36:24] <katsmeow> o
[23:37:23] <rue_shop3> grizzly is chinese, but its the mid grade stuff
[23:38:48] <rue_shop3> 10" x 13" footprint, maybe I shouldn't have used 6"
[23:38:55] <rue_shop3> ho hum
[23:52:45] <rue_house> damnit
[23:52:47] <rue_house> not enough ram
[23:52:59] <rue_house> I"m working on something I get distracted and I cant remember what I was working on
[23:53:49] <rue_house> I did welding today, I feel good
[23:55:21] <rue_house> http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/frame-building/538300d1272057375-anyone-ever-used-tubing-roller-bender-roll-bender-small.jpg
[23:55:26] <rue_house> oh damn, I like that deisgn
[23:55:50] <rue_house> hard to motorize tho
[23:57:22] <katsmeow> i don't likw it, the cast iron bearing mouts are in tension, cast iton doesn't like that
[23:58:03] <rue_house> oo good point
[23:58:06] <rue_house> it should be upside down
[23:58:30] <katsmeow> i wonder how they stop the lower roller cage from teeter0tottering on the top of the bottle jack
[23:58:48] <rue_house> I assumed there are guides in there
[23:59:00] <katsmeow> ok
[23:59:15] <katsmeow> i prefer my motorised one
[23:59:57] <katsmeow> takes about a minute to turn flat bar into a 4ft dia hoop,, or whatever size it is adjusted to
