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[00:00:21] <^kat^> errrr
[00:01:17] <^kat^> 9 digits
[00:01:32] <^kat^> i thought you made those anotehr way
[00:01:54] <^kat^> did you print those, or saw them from foam?
[00:02:43] <^kat^> is this a new mass-production version?
[00:13:51] <rue_house> its the same cnc as my clock uses
[00:13:57] <rue_house> outside is hand cut
[00:14:14] <rue_house> it would take me about 20 hours to redo the code for leadin + leadout + outline
[00:14:17] <rue_house> so screw it
[00:14:44] <^kat^> yeow
[00:14:54] <rue_house> it'll take a few coats
[00:15:01] <rue_house> so, they wont be ready really soon
[00:15:16] <rue_house> and its apparently really humid out, so they aren't drying
[00:15:21] <rue_house> they will
[00:17:24] <^kat^> what if you put the first coat, then a single sheet of tissue paper on the wet paint, then you need only one more coat?
[00:18:22] <rue_house> getting into the inside of the segments is hit and miss
[00:18:28] <rue_house> I dont try to get it all the first time
[00:18:49] <rue_house> I think mine had about 5 coats, took about 2 months to do
[00:21:39] <^kat^> yeesh
[00:22:04] <^kat^> what does the paint provide?
[00:22:12] <rue_house> heated spray boot would be great
[00:22:26] <rue_house> the foam alone is too translucent
[00:22:54] <^kat^> cardboard?
[00:23:19] <rue_house> the decision was to make them, not redeisgn the process
[00:23:28] <^kat^> ok
[00:23:47] * ^kat^ hands rue a donut and some juice
[00:24:00] <rue_house> if there really is some interest in them, I would change lots of stuff
[00:24:17] * rue_house slurps up the juice and asks for more
[00:24:38] * rue_house has eyes energized by SuGaRrRrR
[00:24:39] <^kat^> if i were allowed to make money on ebay, i'd have them up already
[00:25:16] <rue_house> hmm
[00:26:01] <rue_house> what if you sell things under a canadian account, have the money put into a paypall account that you buy things from, have them shipped to me, and I ship them to you
[00:26:17] <rue_house> I could come up with a canadian email
[00:26:41] <^kat^> i cannot make a canadian account
[00:26:52] <rue_house> but I could, and you could have all the details
[00:27:24] * rue_house realizes that his face is half shaved
[00:27:37] * rue_house checks to make sure he still has his eyebrows
[00:28:02] <^kat^> paypal would require veifications
[00:28:10] <rue_house> and I'd provide them
[00:28:29] <rue_house> I dont think you have to be tied to a credit card
[00:28:41] <^kat^> you can have two ebay and two paypal accounts?
[00:29:05] <rue_house> maybe my ma would have one
[00:29:15] <rue_house> could be anyone
[00:29:41] <rue_house> the point is, its a ebay IO account
[00:30:05] <^kat^> and shipping is from your warehouse in the usa?
[00:30:15] <rue_house> no, its from canada
[00:30:21] <rue_house> or, hmm
[00:30:27] <rue_house> yea, good point, it would be
[00:30:36] <rue_house> its a dropship
[00:30:42] <^kat^> so i'd make things, and ship to Canadia, then you'd rebo and ship back to usa?
[00:30:57] <rue_house> na, best to dropship from the US warehouse
[00:31:09] <rue_house> "SHIPS FROM USA"
[00:31:15] <rue_house> thats a good selling feature
[00:31:27] <^kat^> some chinese sellers do that
[00:31:33] <rue_house> yup
[00:32:35] <rue_house> if I set it up, would you?
[00:32:46] <rue_house> cause if not, I'd rather not exert the energy
[00:33:11] <rue_house> you could only use it for buying things with paypall, and you'd have to sell things to load it up
[00:33:32] * ^kat^ nods and is thinking
[00:34:02] <rue_house> the epocolypse isn't for another week or so, lots of time to think on it
[00:34:35] <^kat^> i'd be making the clock foam and boxes here, and adding the electronics yu send me?
[00:34:50] <rue_house> did you WANt to make a clock like mine!?
[00:34:55] <rue_house> you could sell whatever you want
[00:35:07] <rue_house> sell chips for $0.50 ea + shipping if you like
[00:35:20] <rue_house> thats typ 500% isn't it?
[00:35:37] <^kat^> yeas
[00:36:29] <^kat^> no, jus thinking, you keep saying shipping is a killer from there, so if you sent the value-dense and i added the bulky stuff around it,,,, i dunno
[00:36:52] <Moon_> poop
[00:36:53] <rue_house> there is nothing worth shipping from canada
[00:36:56] <rue_house> well, actually
[00:37:14] <rue_house> vintage magazene pages that are obscenely priced, but that about it
[00:37:23] <^kat^> oil
[00:37:30] <rue_house> haha nope, not even that
[00:37:38] <^kat^> brb, need to check toaster oven
[00:38:57] <rue_house> why do bot test images keep getting harder, there are no bots cracking them
[00:40:57] <^kat^> bak
[00:41:31] <^kat^> because you are verifying image recognition apps
[00:42:14] <rue_house> oh dont I feel like a moron
[00:42:39] <^kat^> 100 people vote on what the image is, the top rankings mean that's what it is, and the ocr software is updated
[00:43:05] <rue_house> I got ya, I been tricked.
[00:43:58] <rue_house> I'm gonna go to bed,
[00:44:07] <^kat^> oh?
[00:44:44] <^kat^> soon as the pseudo food substance is done, i will shut it off and goto bed to
[00:49:13] <rue_bed> is it done?
[00:51:56] <^kat^> it was converting to ash when i caught it
[00:53:35] <^kat^> http://web.archive.org/2009/10/14/gorgeous-antique-pocketwatch-led-re/
[01:05:28] <^kat^> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Clock
[01:37:58] <rue_bed> first is 404
[01:39:55] <rue_bed> huh
[16:36:48] <^kat^> 18 awg ; .040 dia ; copper ; 18.78 inches long ; .01 ohms
[16:38:26] <^kat^> so if priced like esistors on ebay, 500 ft spool of 18 awg = $150
[16:38:41] <^kat^> that is all
[19:53:57] <rue_house> "I was checking my educated gusees up till they became educated certenties"
[21:16:36] <katsmeow> mou
[21:17:16] <katsmeow> as much as i advertise for mouser, you think they'd gimme a commission
[21:19:11] <Tom_itx> ud think ehh?
[21:20:03] <katsmeow> so, making resistors isn't exactly like making chain maille
[21:25:50] <katsmeow> but i think folding them in half and twisting, so they radiate nothing and pick up nill, and be ~9 inches and can be wrapped around a notchout in the edge of the pcb
[21:27:12] <katsmeow> of just lay them alongside theheatsink if it's the right size, and tyrapping it
[21:27:57] <katsmeow> they can coil up to be an inch tall and 1/2 inch dia, looks funky
[21:28:25] <rue_house> I hav some hand coiled resistors in a multimeter
[21:28:42] <rue_house> I think on ceramic cores
[21:29:00] <katsmeow> for the 10amp scale?
[21:29:09] <rue_house> no
[21:29:12] <rue_house> for all of it
[21:29:23] <rue_house> bakealite meter
[21:29:41] <katsmeow> ok, old
[21:29:58] <katsmeow> Simpson!
[21:30:03] <katsmeow> Tripp!
[21:30:22] <katsmeow> anything with a d'arsenval movement!
[21:30:24] <rue_house> I dont know
[21:30:40] <katsmeow> oh, there's another word for yur list
[21:30:42] <katsmeow> oops
[21:30:51] <rue_house> its in the shop
[21:31:27] <katsmeow> anyhow, i didn't wanna pay $1 per .01 ohm resistor, or even more for .012 ohms
[21:32:01] <katsmeow> i dunno why they cost like that on ebay, pretty sure they are 5 cents each wholesale new
[21:32:34] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tutorials/elex/cursense/main.html
[21:33:29] <katsmeow> i heard the last upgrade for firefox (Dec 2015) killed off most addons
[21:34:48] <rue_house> windows 10 updates will install microsoft apps and make them the default for whatever file types they handle. the updates are not optional
[21:35:06] <Tom_itx> huuu??
[21:35:07] <rue_house> they also break printer drivers
[21:35:16] <rue_house> happened at work on friday
[21:35:16] <katsmeow> and i don't use win10
[21:35:18] <Tom_itx> they did that quite a while back
[21:35:36] <katsmeow> Dec 2015 is quite a while back?
[21:35:43] <Tom_itx> i tried to remove it from the reg
[21:35:46] <rue_house> one of the programs they override is acrobat reader, they have their own reader they switch you to
[21:36:00] <katsmeow> i use sumatra
[21:36:35] <rue_house> anyhow, this is the present, microsoft decides which microsoft app your gonna use for what file
[21:36:40] <Tom_itx> catia won't run under 10. if they do that to me i'll be one pissed off puppy
[21:37:03] <rue_house> I'm talking when you have 10
[21:37:11] <rue_house> the updates they push out for 10
[21:37:11] <katsmeow> someone running vista noticed after an upgrade late last yr, it began popping up win10 advertising, i turned off all trojan installs, i mean "upgrades", April 2015
[21:37:12] <Tom_itx> oh, no worries then...
[21:37:18] <Tom_itx> i'll never update to it
[21:37:28] <rue_house> I'm not talking about them making your upgrade to windows 10
[21:37:44] <Tom_itx> i tried to remove that but can't find it all
[21:37:57] <rue_house> I'm talking wbaout when you have windows 10 and they push mandatory 'updates' to you, they include microsoft apps theat they switch you to
[21:38:01] <Tom_itx> although i didn't look that hard
[21:38:23] <Tom_itx> of course they do, they want to invade your life and control you
[21:38:37] <Tom_itx> just like google does
[21:39:07] <katsmeow> rue, the wire resistors are much smaller, and i am talking for 8 amps, dissipating only 3/4 w max
[21:39:16] <Tom_itx> everyone advertises 'the cloud' as a good thing....
[21:39:26] <rue_house> https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3sr2ec/psa_warning_the_windows_10_fall_update_resets_all/
[21:39:29] <rue_house> maybe its that
[21:40:03] <katsmeow> i bet the first app to be delted is any and all torrent apps
[21:40:15] * Tom_itx gives katsmeow a nice resistor http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/resistor2.jpg
[21:40:31] <rue_house> https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3w3dr3/latest_update_makes_microsoft_edge_default_pdf/
[21:40:57] <katsmeow> hey, that R wasn't born to be adjustable!
[21:41:28] <Tom_itx> was so
[21:42:26] <katsmeow> looks sanded
[21:42:57] <Tom_itx> just a bit rusty from age
[21:43:08] <Tom_itx> it _was_ made that way... promise!
[21:43:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/resistor1.jpg
[21:44:21] <rue_house> I have a few of those
[21:44:26] <Tom_itx> i'm surprised google doesn't give MS a run for their money on OS
[21:44:49] <Tom_itx> they whipped their ass on the portable market
[21:45:00] <rue_house> nobody has to try to compete with microsoft, widnows users will be looking for any available escape soon
[21:45:16] <Tom_itx> not the average dumb one
[21:45:23] <katsmeow> google is busy whipping car makers asses and robot makers atm
[21:45:43] <rue_house> the one who cant fix and of the things that change every time their computer automatically updates?
[21:46:17] <katsmeow> y> somebody made this point: having win10 is like going back to the old mainframe days where your PC is just a terminal on a M$ mainframe, where they can do whatever they want to the system, and you are just a client of it
[21:46:20] <rue_house> no, windows isn't gonna work for the average user anymore
[21:46:56] <rue_house> first of all, your ALWAYS waiting for your computer to finish an update of some kind
[21:47:09] <rue_house> second, after every update, something else dosn't work
[21:47:17] <katsmeow> tell your router to drop packets to M$ ips
[21:47:30] <rue_house> third, after every update, everything works differently and you have to 're-learn' everything
[21:47:46] <rue_house> so, no, windows wont work for most users
[21:48:18] <rue_house> linux and mac are gonna just take off
[21:48:25] <katsmeow> major drop in productivity
[21:49:41] <Tom_itx> it takes a multi Ghz multi core machine just to boot anymore
[21:51:03] <Tom_itx> not looking forward to doing evening classes next semester
[21:51:57] <Tom_itx> all i got left is the final and i'm batting 1k so far
[22:02:17] <katsmeow> Britain's Doomsday Nuke Subs Still Run Windows XP (popularmechanics.com)
[22:04:04] <katsmeow> The U.S. Navy also still runs Windows XP, but it is paying for extra security and updates while it transitions to more modern operating systems. A $9 million dollar tech support deal it cut with Microsoft is good until July 2016, with an option to extend for another year for $31 million.
[22:06:18] <katsmeow> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a13910/raspberry-pi-2-microsoft-10/
[22:15:41] <katsmeow> Think-tank MITRE built a "military grade" drone using this very approach, with a 3D printed airframe and Android electronics, and showed that it could be done for under $2,000 . A that price, a swarm of several hundred drones would cost less than one cruise missile. Or one pilot.
[22:31:42] <katsmeow> rue, what's a LUCENT 613AN
[22:55:07] <rue_house> hmm
[22:55:53] <rue_house> no idea
[22:56:04] <rue_house> I'm guessing its a dip tho
[22:56:12] <katsmeow> yeas!
[22:57:28] <rue_house> 8pin?
[22:57:33] <katsmeow> yeas
[22:57:33] <rue_house> how did I guess that
[22:57:56] <katsmeow> because the number reminds you of the LM612 mixer
[22:58:06] <rue_house> mixer? no
[22:58:10] <katsmeow> but this is almost surely a optocoupler
[22:58:33] <rue_house> 3 digit part numbers make me think of metal TO-whatever
[22:59:40] <rue_house> if only I had a lucent databook
[22:59:46] <rue_house> from, the mid 70's
[23:00:09] <katsmeow> they keep getting bought ut, no telling when or for who they made it
[23:02:56] <katsmeow> 100Pcs PC817 EL817 PC817C SHARP Optocoupler IC DIP-4 High quality New Sell lead
[23:06:10] <rue_house> opto isolator
[23:06:12] <rue_house> 817
[23:06:21] <rue_house> I have lots of them
[23:06:40] <katsmeow> someone in anotehr channel doesn't
[23:06:41] <rue_house> I dont have an old lucent book
[23:07:02] <rue_house> none of the other books I have, have that number listed
[23:07:13] <rue_house> most of them jump from 300 to 700
[23:07:21] <katsmeow> it may have been a one-off special order
[23:07:40] <rue_house> but I found an awesome natsemi one that has switching powr supplies from '73
[23:08:00] <rue_house> using the LM100
[23:16:10] <katsmeow> wierd, this data sheet has a listing for a "Major defect" as being "Unrcadablc marking"
[23:18:50] <rue_shop5> ?
[23:21:17] <katsmeow> i can't make it out
[23:23:58] <katsmeow> June 27 2012 , made a front panel knob function as a ps2 jack :
http://DesignerThinking.com/ry/DSCF2770m.jpg ; i found a knob on ebay that fits the ps2 connector perfectly, so if i plug into the knob it can make that knob's functions appear at the other end of the wire ; remoting that knob, essentially
[23:29:13] <rue_shop5> I brought the digits in an the paint dried, I'll have to work out aother coat
[23:29:28] <rue_shop5> I remmeber that kat
[23:29:47] <katsmeow> are you sprayig, brushing, or dipping ?
[23:30:00] <rue_shop5> I might see if I can get a sprayer working
[23:38:04] <rue_house> I think I can thin latex a bit with water
[23:38:47] <katsmeow> then you need more if it, yeas?
[23:40:44] <rue_house> too thick and the sprayer cant do it
[23:41:04] <rue_house> dad passed away before he could teach me
[23:41:51] <katsmeow> good thing he gave you genes for a brain tho
[23:45:45] <katsmeow> interesting email : Power went out, on the laptop. In the process of checking plugs, dumped more Pepsi into it...
[23:48:19] <katsmeow> my reply : Laptops are usually allergic to Pepsi, the stuff is acidic and conductive. Another reason to use cheap desktops instead. I even remote the keybd and mice off laptops via usb hubs.
[23:51:31] <katsmeow> http://imgur.com/gallery/kXP83Ux
