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[01:32:04] <katsmeow> Notes : See the MCS 6500 Microcomputer Family Programming Manual for less information.
[01:45:22] <rue_bed> whats 1/75% of 5kw
[01:45:34] <rue_bed> 6.7kw
[01:45:55] <rue_bed> whats the torque of 6.7kw at 400rpm?
[01:49:51] <rue_bed> 118 ft-lbs
[01:50:24] <rue_bed> ok, whats 118 ft-lbs over 4"
[01:50:42] <rue_bed> 354lbs
[01:51:07] <rue_bed> now distribute over a piston with a 6" dia
[01:51:35] <rue_bed> 28.27inch^2...
[01:52:02] <rue_bed> 12psi
[01:52:37] <rue_bed> the idea is to have 200 psi available, I wonder if that too much of a mismatch
[01:52:47] <rue_bed> work it backwards
[01:53:02] <rue_bed> 200psi, 354lbs
[01:53:21] <rue_bed> 1.77inch^2
[01:53:37] <rue_bed> 1.5" piston
[01:53:56] <rue_bed> so, your saying a 3" piston would even be lots
[01:54:20] <rue_bed> calculate volume
[01:54:22] <rue_bed> k
[01:54:30] <rue_bed> pushpull
[01:54:38] <katsmeow> be uber cheap, use any car engine piston you can make a cylinder for
[01:54:39] <rue_bed> at 3" or 6"
[01:54:50] <rue_bed> whats the dia of one tho?
[01:54:53] <katsmeow> couple bucks at scrap yard
[01:55:07] <katsmeow> 350 were ~3"
[01:55:16] <rue_bed> but not all engines were sleved
[01:55:20] <katsmeow> 289 iirc were 2.75"
[01:55:31] <rue_bed> and a steel sleeve would not take well to steam
[01:55:36] <rue_bed> and I cant pushpull it
[01:55:51] <katsmeow> you'll never get a working sleeve out, you will need to buy them or make your own from pipe on your lathe
[01:56:04] <rue_bed> yea, I have 6" SS pipe
[01:56:06] <katsmeow> ok, use aluminum
[01:56:31] <rue_bed> but if we do volume, I think we would find that 6" would suck too much steam
[01:56:53] <katsmeow> you can get any size pipe in any material you want
[01:56:59] <rue_bed> so, 400rpm, is 800 strokes/min
[01:57:09] <katsmeow> no
[01:57:21] <rue_bed> ?
[01:57:21] <katsmeow> you get 2 stroke per rmp
[01:57:24] <katsmeow> 1
[01:57:25] <katsmeow> 1
[01:57:27] <katsmeow> not 2
[01:57:59] <rue_bed> there are 2 strokes to a rev tho, right?
[01:58:27] <katsmeow> remove spark plug from yur 1-cyll gas burner, put finger in plug hole, slowly turn crankshaft and count how many times your finger is squashed per complete cran turn
[01:58:29] <rue_bed> 4" crank, means a 8" displacement
[01:58:47] <katsmeow> 4" crank, means a 8" stroke
[01:59:00] <rue_bed> once, but its doubleacting steam piston
[01:59:05] <katsmeow> 4" is not a car crank anyhow, i assume you will make that aslo
[01:59:20] <rue_bed> heh, hmmm
[01:59:24] <rue_bed> ok, so hold on...
[01:59:32] <rue_bed> lets say a 3" piston...
[01:59:55] <rue_bed> area is 7.07"
[02:00:13] <rue_bed> 56.56 inch^3
[02:00:30] <rue_bed> now I'm gonna start to get lost
[02:00:38] <rue_bed> oh wait
[02:00:52] <rue_bed> 56.56 inch^3 times usage
[02:01:23] <rue_bed> but per cycle the steam engine is filling that volume twice
[02:01:29] <katsmeow> ok
[02:01:34] <rue_bed> and thats happening 400times/min
[02:01:48] <rue_bed> so 56.56*400*2
[02:02:00] <katsmeow> ok
[02:02:12] <rue_bed> 45248inch^3/min of steam
[02:02:48] <rue_bed> can that be turned into a real number of some kind
[02:02:59] <rue_bed> with a 3" piston..
[02:03:36] <rue_bed> 50psi
[02:04:12] <rue_bed> 195gpm at 50psi
[02:04:21] <rue_bed> well 196
[02:04:32] <rue_bed> hmm 196gpm at 50psi
[02:05:21] <rue_bed> ~1600:1
[02:06:22] <rue_bed> 0.5Lpm
[02:06:27] <rue_bed> of water in
[02:07:35] <rue_bed> 345 kpa
[02:08:22] <rue_bed> 260F boiling point
[02:08:40] <katsmeow> total file count = 905979
[02:08:40] <katsmeow> average filename len = 23
[02:08:41] <rue_bed> oh, about 130c
[02:08:56] <rue_bed> average of 23, ww
[02:08:57] <rue_bed> wow
[02:09:59] <katsmeow> that's from 20 drive of about 5 TB
[02:10:05] <rue_bed> ok, so 3"piston, with a 4" crank and 8" stroke, operating at 296gpm of steam at 50psi, boiler taking 1/2Lpm of water and raising it to 130c
[02:10:39] <rue_bed> thats for 5kw, seems small dosn't it?
[02:10:54] <rue_bed> at 400rpm so 1:4 to the alternator
[02:11:20] <rue_bed> maybe 400rpm is high
[02:11:25] <rue_bed> dosn't sound like it
[02:12:22] <rue_bed> and I'll get a boost if the exhaust is on a condenser that generates a negitive pressure
[02:12:33] <rue_bed> a condensor that heats the house...
[02:13:24] <rue_bed> I suppose the max vacuum would be -14 psi
[02:14:02] <rue_bed> then the boiler only needs 36psi
[02:14:27] <rue_bed> dosn't drop the req'd steam temp too much
[02:14:49] <katsmeow> i would go for 4000 rpm at the alternator, they are really lossy and inefficient
[02:15:11] <rue_bed> 1600 makes that sweet ole 60Hz
[02:15:32] <rue_bed> *oops
[02:15:43] <katsmeow> on a car alternatpor? only if you buzz the rotor at 60hz, then it doesn't matter that rpm it's going
[02:15:54] <rue_bed> no a genorator head
[02:16:08] <katsmeow> o
[02:16:32] <rue_bed> uh
[02:16:54] <katsmeow> crap i locked up exloder again
[02:17:35] <rue_bed> hah, I forgot the rpm for a genny
[02:17:41] <katsmeow> 3600
[02:17:41] <rue_bed> I cant make it work right now
[02:17:51] <rue_bed> but thats low poles
[02:18:00] <rue_bed> double the poles should be 1800?
[02:18:02] <katsmeow> 1800 for 4poles
[02:18:16] <rue_bed> yea, I'm thinking 4 poles
[02:18:33] <rue_bed> so my rpm should have beeen 450
[02:18:35] <katsmeow> 900 for big diseasles turning 8 poles
[02:19:03] <rue_bed> so my lpm goes up
[02:19:18] <rue_bed> by 1/8
[02:19:47] <katsmeow> saw a 600rpm driect drive motor once, that thing had so many widsing it it, it was stupid
[02:19:56] <rue_bed> :)
[02:20:07] <rue_bed> must have had crazy torque
[02:20:20] <katsmeow> it was 3phase, so 600rpm is 3x as many if it had been 1phase
[02:20:49] <katsmeow> i dunno, it turned a fan
[02:20:54] <katsmeow> i goto bed
[02:21:01] <rue_bed> yea, I'm there
[02:26:49] <katsmeow> gnites
[19:32:56] <rue_house> need to put a computer togethor for robotics tommorow
[19:33:05] <rue_house> and clean up shop
[19:33:12] <rue_house> Moon_, you online?
[22:11:46] <rue_shop3> it looks like the copy of Green River was always corrupt
[22:12:03] <^kat^-afk> huh? who? what?
[22:13:17] <^kat^-afk> http://xkcd.com/
[22:15:42] <Tom_itx> Teacher: In this exercise you will name the quadralateral
[22:15:49] <Tom_itx> Student: Jerry.
[22:16:31] <rue_shop3> :)
[22:16:46] <rue_shop3> Tom_itx, :)
[22:17:05] <^kat^-afk> :-)
[22:18:48] <Tom_itx> ... it really happened.
[22:22:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/Practice_Quiz3.jpg
[22:22:13] <Tom_itx> my last practice quiz
[22:22:32] <Tom_itx> test on monday covering formula driven drawings
[22:29:21] <^kat^-afk> http://i.imgur.com/TpCujIB.gif
[22:51:47] * ^kat^-afk ays soethig and adds in the mssing leters latr
[22:51:52] <^kat^-afk> s,m,n,i,t,e
[23:04:24] <rue_house> Moon_, ping
[23:05:13] <rue_house> ^kat^-afk, so your saying they dont even need to spin the blades anymore?
[23:05:33] <^kat^-afk> looks like they took care of that noise problem
[23:05:38] <rue_house> hehehe
[23:06:22] <rue_house> "we just dont spin them" "WHAT!?" "they dont make noise if they dont spin" "ARE YOU A MORON!?" "its true, let me demonstrate"
[23:07:12] <rue_house> Tom_itx, I cant tell what its supposed to be when its done
[23:08:11] <^kat^-afk> better gas mileage too
[23:08:36] <rue_house> the price of gas dropped like a rock
[23:08:46] <rue_house> from almost 1.50/l to less than $1
[23:09:10] * ^kat^-afk adjusts the price of rocks
[23:09:37] <rue_house> gold is going up
[23:09:46] <^kat^-afk> it usually does
[23:10:23] <rue_house> oh and AND, GET THIS!!! our government is canceling solar encouragement programs to put money into supporting the failing oil industry
[23:10:35] <rue_house> !!!!
[23:10:53] <^kat^-afk> does Canadia even get any sun?
[23:11:10] <rue_house> you have to read between the raindrops
[23:11:52] <rue_house> I wish they wouldn't put these damned screws on the battery lids, I should be able to eat these batteries any time I like
[23:12:03] <^kat^-afk> i'd think the smart money for energy in Canadia is thorium reactors, most of the year everyone would need the "waste" heat they'd supply
[23:12:19] <^kat^-afk> screws?
[23:12:52] <rue_house> you cant just pop off the battery cover and eat the battery
[23:12:53] <^kat^-afk> <blink>
[23:12:57] <rue_house> you have to have a screwdriver
[23:13:07] <zhanx> We got snow!
[23:13:12] <^kat^-afk> so don't put the scres back in
[23:13:19] <^kat^-afk> congrates!
[23:13:44] <zhanx> 1 foot since I left to pick up stranded people
[23:14:09] <zhanx> I got my exploder back on the road just in time
[23:14:13] * ^kat^-afk imagines humans in stradbeest format
[23:14:39] <zhanx> Close it seems
[23:15:40] <zhanx> I stayed a t work late (16:30 to 18:30) to do brakes and a tune up, and it was not snowing at 1730
[23:16:14] <zhanx> When I left we had 6" of snow a foot by the time I got home, it's and awesome blizzard
[23:16:31] <^kat^-afk> i think the weather said you will have record snowfall and temperatures the next 2 days
[23:16:45] <zhanx> We are getting it.
[23:16:54] <^kat^-afk> do yu have enough warm?
[23:17:34] <zhanx> No the heater blower in my exploder sounds like a freight train and blows like a cpu fan
[23:18:39] * ^kat^-afk loans zhanx her two Zippo catalytic pocket heaters
[23:19:06] * zhanx thaws out his toes
[23:19:29] <^kat^-afk> each runs 6hrs on about a thimble of fuel
[23:19:46] <zhanx> They are awesome I need some
[23:19:55] <^kat^-afk> i put them in my pantsleg over my socks
[23:20:30] <zhanx> Tomorrow after I get my pcm fixed I am getting a new blower motor
[23:20:31] <^kat^-afk> guy on ebay had them on sale, in Tx, 2nd day delivery to me
[23:20:57] <^kat^-afk> prolly not the blower, just bearings or the fan is full of mouse
[23:21:17] <zhanx> Full of mouse and a bearing I think
[23:22:31] <zhanx> Took my a half tank of gas (12 gallons) and 5 hours of slow driving tonight and I was not planning for that
[23:23:01] <^kat^-afk> the car is like that, every year gotta open it up and empty out the mice residue
[23:23:21] <zhanx> I was nice and pulled a state trooper out of the ditch
[23:23:30] <^kat^-afk> !!
[23:23:46] <^kat^-afk> he give you a get-outa-jail-free card?
[23:23:55] <zhanx> I felt bad his car was covered in snow and his lights dim
[23:24:10] <^kat^-afk> uta gas too?
[23:24:12] <zhanx> I wish but he was very very grateful
[23:24:19] <zhanx> Yep
[23:25:30] <zhanx> He didn't mention my illegal u turn in the ditch to get around behind him at all
[23:26:07] <zhanx> He did laugh when I had to crawl under my exploder to put it in 4x4
[23:26:21] <^kat^-afk> i wasn't aware there were illegal and legal turns in ditches
[23:26:49] <zhanx> Ny you must stop fully before a uturn or something like that
[23:27:34] <zhanx> Also I don't have reverse lights for some reason, need to check out why tomorrow
[23:42:12] * ^kat^-afk keeps pondering one +12 wire to the trailers, and put a laptop battery n each trailer, and wirelssing the signals
[23:42:52] <^kat^-afk> that way, if i hit the brakes and a trailer passes me with the ites blinking, i'll know it's mine
[23:43:12] <zhanx> Lol
[23:43:26] <zhanx> Safety chains
[23:44:15] <^kat^-afk> got them
[23:45:01] <zhanx> Pull break on a wire in case it pops off ?
[23:45:25] <^kat^-afk> i was pulling a 16ft-bed trailer with the 280 down a mtn in Tenn one nite, got jackknifed with it at 90mph, scared the crap outas the guy in the 18-wheeler behind me
[23:47:58] <zhanx> No thanks
