#garfield Logs
Sep 27 2015
#garfield Calendar
00:19 tsmeow-afk has installed firewalls on her
00:19 katsmeow-afk reading the book won't cause it's code to execute
00:28 rue_house so you would open it then!
00:30 katsmeow-afk indeed
00:31 rue_house one thing I'v learned from my biology studdy so far, is to put things whereever you can
00:32 tsmeow-afk notes rue put spelling outside somew
00:33 rue_house I think I know how to make a motor testing dynamo now
00:34 rue_house If I were a robot, I suspect I'd spend every spare moment doing repairs and maintenance
00:34 rue_house no need to be borred while traveling
00:35 rue_house calls for construction teqniques that allow of small toolry so you can carry a workshop easy
00:35 rue_house I like the idea of 4 arms
00:36 rue_house I dont think I'd have mental problems managing that
00:40 katsmeow-afk i have advocated that, with some ability to use the upper arms as front legs
00:41 katsmeow-afk with 4 arms you could hold your tea, add sugar and stir, and open the door too
00:41 rue_house yea, the door, thats exactly it
00:41 rue_house cup, plate, and can still open door
00:42 rue_house tho, you know, it strikes me, that
00:42 rue_house that situation prolly wouldn't come up
00:42 katsmeow-afk but you never know
00:42 rue_house dont plan to eat as a robot
00:42 katsmeow-afk ok, it's not yur tea :-P
00:43 rue_house I wonder if having a tea now will upset my stomach
00:43 rue_house hmm, I dont want to be up all night peeing
00:44 rue_house as a robot, dont forget to dream
00:45 rue_house do you know if scsi network cards exist?
00:45 rue_house I refilled the boiler today
00:46 rue_house down about 20L
00:46 rue_house hopefully the leak in the house was the only one
00:47 rue_house I did some casting today
00:47 rue_house make some muffins and an aluminum bar
00:47 rue_house er, round stock that is
01:06 katsmeow-afk muffins?
01:06 katsmeow-afk that remnds me, prolly too late to eat pumpkin seeds
01:31 katsmeow-afk are CD music files mp3 ?
02:02 katsmeow-afk gnites
16:52 katsmeow THIS is an 8-core cpu : http://www.micronautomata.com/assets/automata_dimm-960172f9775a0580ed72848e48b7e311.png
16:58 tsmeow is waiting on welding fumes to blow out of the driveway, and steel to c
17:01 tsmeow assumes one sets up a line of dimm sockets as a backplane, plugs in those cpus modules and ram modules, and i/o modules (with lan, sata, etc on the e
17:03 katsmeow in a single such row across a 1U rackmount server, you could have 14 complete 8-core computers, with dedicated ram modules and some shared modules, each with it's own hdd and lan addy
17:04 katsmeow if you were real clever, you could set anotehr row onto that from the top, interdigitated, and have 28 computers in just the one row
17:04 katsmeow the 14 hdds woould be the problem
17:05 katsmeow or 28
17:18 rue_mohr cute
17:19 rue_mohr in a dim stick, short delay to get to the memory
17:19 rue_mohr scsi can multimaster
17:20 katsmeow ok
17:20 rue_mohr kat, aluminum muffins, in muffin tins
17:20 rue_mohr baby powder to release them
17:20 katsmeow oh, for storage
17:20 rue_mohr small chunks melt easy
17:20 tsmeow
17:21 katsmeow melty aluminum burns the zinc off?
17:21 rue_mohr rue_bed> magnum fp depth detection software
17:21 rue_mohr <rue_bed> 16 levels of depth at 60fps
17:21 rue_mohr ^^ that was from a dream
17:21 katsmeow oh
17:22 rue_mohr acording to the dream, there is software that will take a video stream and give you one of 16 depth ranges for every pixel in the frame
17:22 katsmeow sterio video?
17:22 rue_mohr but it was shunned by some for some reason
17:22 rue_mohr oddly enough, no
17:23 katsmeow prolly didn't work then
17:23 katsmeow if the camera and view were stationary, it's coundn't possible be accurate
17:23 rue_mohr it did, but someone didn't like it for some reason
17:24 rue_mohr but it could do it at 60fps
17:24 katsmeow i seem to recall that, yrs ago, i discounted it because it was not sterio vision
17:24 rue_mohr I cant remmeber what it was on, I think it was a droid
17:25 katsmeow it hasto track what passes in front of what , and if that doesn't happen then it can be fooled by a small object up close vs a huge copy of the object in the distance
17:27 katsmeow there was a camera that may have been a flop too: when you clicked the button it moved the focus from close to far real fast and snapped a pic every now and then, all in 1/2 sec or less
17:27 katsmeow it wasn't 60fps
17:28 katsmeow it then blended the pics based on which had the sharpest edges (was in focus) in each pic
17:28 katsmeow a piece of this pic, a piece of the next, a piece from the last, etc
17:29 katsmeow ok, i go back outside, bbl
17:31 rue_mohr hey I'm just sayin, it was in a dream
17:32 rue_mohr have fun weldin
17:34 Tom_itx did you wake up with sunburnt arms?
17:35 rue_mohr not I
17:35 rue_mohr hey kat, grab some pics!
17:36 rue_mohr "he put a covered observatory on his house so he could watch the stars while it was raining"
17:37 rue_mohr I have to go find a staples
18:44 katsmeow-afk airingoutmorefumes
18:45 katsmeow-afk i spose i should get a couple more pics, they are nearly free, and i don't have any of the top of a finished pod
18:46 katsmeow-afk still prolly maybe might not have the holes drilled in it by finish tonite
18:46 katsmeow-afk Tom, i don't have any tan that i have noticed
18:47 katsmeow-afk got stainless steel embedded in my throat
18:47 katsmeow-afk off the wire brush
18:49 tsmeow-afk wonders if rue like Kalafina, Kitaro, or frip
19:05 katsmeow-afk ....
19:07 rue_mohr its amazing, nomatter where I weld, if the shop door is even slightly open, all the fumes end up in the shop
19:08 katsmeow-afk you should patent that
19:08 rue_mohr heh
19:09 rue_mohr ok, I went shopping for stationary at staples, which isn't a good store for stationary apparently
19:09 rue_mohr I get back, and realize I now have to go grocery shopping too
19:09 katsmeow-afk orficedepot is
19:09 katsmeow-afk err, office
19:09 rue_mohr I got a little binder to make notes in regarding turning myself into a machine
19:10 rue_mohr so i can always be working on it
19:10 rue_mohr 2x3" ring binder, I wanted one a *bit* larger
19:10 katsmeow-afk 1) note that drawing glyphs in charcoal on pressed plant fibers isn't optimal for a machine to be doing
19:11 rue_mohr heh
19:12 rue_mohr I dont want to go shopping kat, can I just starve?
19:12 katsmeow-afk yes, you are capable of starving as a human
19:12 katsmeow-afk pick food outa the garden?
19:13 rue_mohr I'm in vancouver
19:13 katsmeow-afk oh
19:13 katsmeow-afk pick food outa your mom's floating garden?
19:14 rue_school vancouver
19:14 tsmeow-afk mashes some pasta flat, drys it, and sents ir by
19:14 rue_school the only garden here is the one growing in the corner of the shower
19:15 katsmeow-afk fast food?
19:15 katsmeow-afk slow food?
19:15 katsmeow-afk delivery food?
19:15 rue_school hmm pizzA
19:15 rue_school naa
19:15 katsmeow-afk bingo
19:15 rue_school *sigh*
19:15 katsmeow-afk send the robot
19:16 rue_school I cant, a) when you enguage the motors, the ground is pulled high enough to reboot the microcontroller
19:16 rue_school b) its at home
19:16 rue_school c) it cant carry food
19:16 katsmeow-afk then i won't enguage the motors
19:16 rue_school d) it needs a really good wireless connection
19:17 katsmeow-afk oh
19:17 rue_school my ears are ringing
19:17 rue_school I have to synthasize this noise sometime
19:17 rue_school I'm sure there are atleast 3 freq's above normal audiable
19:17 Tom_itx do synchronous motors have better low end torque than a regular dc motor?
19:17 katsmeow-afk a) wire it properly b) call it and tell it to bring you food c) you should have considered that the last time i said to give it work to do d) cell phone
19:18 rue_school Tom_itx, synchronous is ac...
19:18 katsmeow-afk define "regular"
19:18 Tom_itx brushed dc motor
19:18 katsmeow-afk synchronous have a magnetic rotor, instead of a shorted squirrel cage
19:18 rue_school I think the most low end torque is from a series wound motor
19:18 katsmeow-afk no, brushed will always give you gobs of torque
19:19 Tom_itx what would work best on a spindle? for low end torque etc
19:19 rue_school Tom_itx, another reduction box
19:19 katsmeow-afk comppound wound dc
19:19 katsmeow-afk or current limited series wound
19:19 Tom_itx if you watched my tap video you see how it stalls until the PID can acumulate enough error to overcome the stall
19:20 rue_school you have liike a 250W motor on there now dont you?
19:20 katsmeow-afk you want it to make up torque even if the pid doesn't say so?
19:20 Tom_itx it's not very big
19:20 Tom_itx like .6A
19:20 rue_school 48v/
19:20 rue_school ?
19:20 Tom_itx 90
19:20 katsmeow-afk 250w ?? god dog man, get at least 1/2 hp
19:21 rue_school 90V and rated for .6A?
19:21 rue_school thats only 54w (in)
19:21 katsmeow-afk your pid controls the power flow, if the pid won't release the power to the motor, no motor is ging to make more torque
19:21 Tom_itx http://www.ebay.com/itm/Enduro-Pro-SM600-Industrial-Sewing-Machine-Energy-Saving-Servo-Motor-/160668981972?var=&hash=item25689e1ad4
19:21 katsmeow-afk there's the problem : "energy savings"
19:22 katsmeow-afk ultimately saves energy by not working
19:22 rue_school use a scooter motor
19:22 rue_school cheap and available
19:22 Tom_itx it can't be heavy
19:22 katsmeow-afk yea, i got a dozen of them at least
19:23 Tom_itx the column won't support much
19:23 katsmeow-afk 4lbs?
19:23 rue_school so dont mount it to the column
19:23 rue_school make its own support and use a drive shaft with a few universals
19:24 katsmeow-afk telescoping shaft
19:24 rue_school which, is kinda funny, but still a valid solution
19:26 katsmeow-afk "too small to perform ny decent work" is why i didn't get a micro lathe from HD back when they were cheaper,, i wish i had one now, even tho i'd be stalling it out
19:26 rue_school I'm gonna take some 4" tube and start making myself a sherline frame, I swear
19:26 rue_school I was looking at the prices for slider bearings today
19:26 katsmeow-afk why only 4" ?
19:27 rue_school something not much larger than toms sherline
19:27 katsmeow-afk you GOT a lathe
19:27 Tom_itx i use it mostly for the 'theory' of cnc control. it's too damn small to do much else with
19:28 rue_school I dont know how to make dovetail sliders with it tho
19:28 katsmeow-afk i'd prolly accidently paint mine pink and haveto destroy it too
19:28 rue_school maybe I should make a cutter head for it
19:30 rue_school ok groceries, biab
19:30 Tom_itx kat that would be utter disaster!
19:31 katsmeow-afk more of a disaster than cutting up a pcb driller with an xy table on it?
19:32 Tom_itx depends which was needed most at the time i suppose
19:32 katsmeow-afk if there is any thing to learn from my life, it's that i am worthless, Tom, look at what i got by building this house, or the drilelr, or trying to move to Fla, etc etc etc
19:33 katsmeow-afk all 100% a waste, a loss, and no one to call on when i needed help
19:34 katsmeow-afk i won't get anything for the house, the local rednecks will prolly burn it down, and i'll haveto take aloss on the property because the house is on it
19:35 katsmeow-afk i cannot insure it because it isn't fnished, and i cannot finish it becase of the neighbor's dogs
19:36 rue_school katsmeow-afk, do you want me to point out if you seem to be getting excessivly depressed or just keep it to myself?
19:36 rue_school grocery list.... check...
19:36 katsmeow-afk i disagree with your opinion that i am depressed, i merely stated facts that you cannot refute
19:37 katsmeow-afk it's not fair to say i am depressed, attacking me, when you cannot offer any alternatve to my actual life
19:37 rue_school no, but
19:37 rue_school I was thinking
19:37 rue_school in 19000 years
19:38 rue_school nothing I do will make any difference
19:38 rue_school *just* 19000 years
19:38 rue_school nothing I am or make or anything matters 19000 years from now
19:38 rue_school it made me sad
19:38 katsmeow-afk that's 800 generations
19:38 rue_school yea
19:38 rue_school +-
19:39 rue_school what do you think your area will look like in 19000 years?
19:39 rue_school I'm going to get groceries
19:40 katsmeow-afk i think it will be populated by a few naked humanoids grunting one of 5 billion different earthly languages
19:41 katsmeow-afk it wil be overrun by dogs who eat the humans, and the occasional bear and panther
19:47 katsmeow-afk it's slightly possible if the oceans get too warm, they will stop auto-circulating, get stagnant, belch marsh gases, and suffocate almost all life forms larger than a microbe
19:47 katsmeow-afk ditto the tundras
19:49 Tom_itx africa was an ocean at one time
19:49 katsmeow-afk ok
19:49 Tom_itx no tellin what the landscape will look like then
19:50 Tom_itx that's about 3x longer than we've been polluting it
19:50 tsmeow-afk
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20:16 katsmeow-afk The standard Am29F040 offers access times between
20:16 katsmeow-afk 55 ns and 150 ns, allowing operation of high-speed
20:16 katsmeow-afk microprocessors without wait states.
20:21 rue_school wiat states suck
20:22 rue_school will not ship to canada, cant find it on the map
20:23 katsmeow-afk <blink>
20:25 katsmeow-afk Item location: Peabody, Massachusetts, United States
20:26 katsmeow-afk http://investors.micron.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=929414
20:27 katsmeow-afk Aug 31, 2015
20:27 katsmeow-afk Previous Release | Next Release
20:27 katsmeow-afk PDF
20:27 katsmeow-afk Drawing a Blank: Americans Have "No Clue" What Computer Memory Is
20:27 e_school tires to catch the url with the m
20:30 tsmeow-afk puts together a 256k ram module, with 1,800 data l
20:32 rue_school ubp... b...
20:33 rue_school 145kword?
20:33 katsmeow-afk umm
20:34 katsmeow-afk 12megabytes of 36bit words
20:35 katsmeow-afk 7.5 ns
20:37 tsmeow-afk is still astonished the usa built the P class sub and the Tambor class, and especially the Tambor class resembled the later German Type 21 Electroboot class, but then the usa cluttered the deck and made the conning tower espcially unhydrodynamic and
20:38 rue_school hehe
20:38 rue_school you cant mess with something german made
20:39 rue_school stables wanted $8 for a 1" ring binder
20:39 rue_school so I didn't buy any
20:39 katsmeow-afk the usa built the Tambor some 20 yrs before the Germans tho
20:39 katsmeow-afk $8 !? ouch
20:41 katsmeow-afk the Tambor was rivited hull, not welded, and fairly thin as an experimental hull, and had crummy engines, but for all that it still outran all other usa subs
20:41 rue_school I'm sure during the height of naval war they led the crowd
20:42 katsmeow-afk they didn't, they were junked by ww2
20:42 rue_school oh
20:43 Tom_itx hmm. blood moon tonight?
20:43 katsmeow-afk dunno
20:43 rue_school dunno
20:43 Tom_itx http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/09/supermoon_lunar_eclipse_2015_l.html
20:43 rue_school so what kinda arch should i run my intelligence on when I upgrade to a machine?
20:44 katsmeow-afk yea, looking at the S-boats in Cavite at the start of ww2, the deck is covered with stuff that slowed the subs when submerged, and reduced the range
20:44 Tom_itx something better than available nowdays
20:44 rue_school oh wait, I recall hearing that if your in the middle of a dessert or sea on the far side of the world you will see it
20:44 Tom_itx apparently it's visible here
20:44 Tom_itx i forgot about it
21:21 katsmeow-afk ok, i know the MT58L64L18 is a 64k x 18bit sram, but why can't i find the pinout, and why are all the datasheets on micron.com 404?
21:39 katsmeow-afk found it
21:43 rue_school ?
21:45 katsmeow-afk MT58L64L18FT-8.5 pinout
21:48 katsmeow-afk some specs make no sense, like data setup is 2ns, but hold time is 0.5 ns, which means the data can appear 2ns before the CLK, then disappear at 1ns before the CLK, and then when CLK'd, the ram will magically have the data
21:49 katsmeow-afk some ttl chips you can data and clock at the same instant, the clk even 0.5ns before the data gets there, but to have the data be already gone a full 1.5 ns before you clock it in?
21:55 katsmeow-afk maybe i been looking at cpu registers all wrong
21:57 katsmeow-afk what if you MOV the SR to A, and then latched off the data buss, and then POP a byte off the stack,,,,, and somehow you could make that A register still show the SR, still show it has the buss data, and then show the byte popped off the stack, in any order ?
21:58 katsmeow-afk that is, the register remembers the last operation you did to move data into it, from any source, and you could make that data reappear at any time?
21:58 katsmeow-afk AND you can MOV the data into that register from any one or ALL SOURCES AT ONCE ?
21:59 katsmeow-afk so in one clock you can POP, MOV from everywhere, and the register remembers each byte from each source, untill you do anotehr MOV from that source?
22:00 katsmeow-afk does that feature open any opportunities?
22:01 katsmeow-afk for instance, Reg-A and Reg-B both read off the data buss, then Reg-A inc, and Reg-B dec, and then Reg-C reads both A and B at the same time,,,, then what?
22:02 katsmeow-afk what does this feature get me?
22:03 katsmeow-afk other than one reg could possibly cache the contents of every source in the cpu
22:28 katsmeow-afk the idea of a cpu register having memory effects,, is that helpful to anything?
23:41 rue_school erp watched a movie :)
23:43 rue_school are you sure they are measuring those times from where you think they are?
23:44 rue_school kat, I need 5 shapes that can be filtered out seperatly when mixed up
23:53 katsmeow-afk who is measuing what times?
23:54 katsmeow-afk oh, the MT58L64L18 i doubt it
23:54 katsmeow-afk it's unlikely the input buffers will have 2ns of latency