#garfield Logs

Jul 14 2015

00:04 zhanx i got a graphic designer on board finally for my home automation
00:07 rue_house heh
00:07 rue_house z has an artz
00:08 zhanx 3d graphics designer!
00:14 rue_house now you just need a 3d display
00:14 rue_house :0
00:14 rue_house :)
00:18 zhanx true
00:20 rue_house well I'm feeling good about the progress on the mecha
00:20 rue_house even tho it might be for not
00:20 rue_house its progress
00:20 rue_house need to build that pipe bender
00:23 rue_house not sure at all on how to string the fingers
00:23 zhanx chain SAW!
00:24 rue_house no, I' mean routing the cables
00:24 rue_house I'm trying to understand how the tendons in fingers work, there are a lot of funkey connections in there I want to understand
00:24 zhanx chain saw fingers would be awesome
00:24 rue_house nature dosn't just make symmetric opposing actuators
00:24 zhanx or just use springs and window motors
00:25 rue_house almost everything is non-symetric
00:25 rue_house no, its going to be air muscles
00:25 zhanx the hard way
00:25 rue_house I dont know how to run the cables from the fingers to the musckles so that they move properly
00:26 rue_house I have 10m of woven stuff comming to make up a bunch of muscles
00:26 rue_house hope it arrives sooner than later
00:26 zhanx pvc twine ?
00:26 rue_house steel cable
00:27 zhanx fun
00:30 rue_house oh darn, I was supposed to work out the rotational strength of my arm
00:30 rue_house zhanx,
00:30 rue_house feel like some curiousity fun?
00:31 zhanx sure
00:31 rue_house put a handle on a torque wrench, see what your CW and CCW rotational strength is for your forearm
00:31 rue_house no use to me, I know your better than I am
00:32 zhanx 310 pounds cw , 280 ccw
00:32 rue_house but its data
00:32 rue_house .. *blink*
00:32 rue_house foot-lbs?
00:32 zhanx yes
00:32 zhanx did it today
00:33 zhanx remeber my forearm is over 6" around
00:33 rue_house >:| why?
00:34 zhanx i am big?
00:34 rue_house ...
00:35 rue_house cause I was talking about it yesterday?
00:35 zhanx i changed my power steering box
00:36 zhanx preload is 290, final is 310
00:37 zhanx what am i stronger that you bot?
00:39 zhanx with my bad back>
00:40 rue_house dunno
00:40 rue_house the bot will be 2.5x me, but I have to work out what I am
00:40 anx vs the 12 foot m
00:40 rue_house its not supposed to be super strong
00:40 zhanx as long as i dont stomp on it, it will be fine
00:40 rue_house its just got size advantage
00:41 zhanx i got i wont quit
00:41 zhanx and big feet!
00:53 rue_house katsmeow-afk,
00:54 rue_house I while I was working on understanding the human mind, it came to my attention that there are multiple simotanious 'conciousnesses' running at once
00:54 rue_house which helps the system maintain stability
00:54 rue_house so I thought, 2, great
00:54 rue_house but I'm realizing there are more
00:54 rue_house there are multiple independent processes operating at once
00:55 rue_house I'm at 3, but the 3rd does not manifest as a complete 'conciousness'
00:56 rue_house things like talking to myself while walking
00:56 rue_house I'm working on understanding more
00:56 rue_house so far this all makes sense to me
00:58 katsmeow-afk even tho it might be for not? nought?
00:58 rue_house I have no idea if the stuff I'm building now will be usable or not
00:59 rue_house this is my first stab
01:00 katsmeow-afk wel, fwiw, not and nought are both words, sound the same, mean different
01:00 katsmeow-afk but yeas about the many-minds approach
01:00 rue_house like four for and f...
01:00 rue_house two to and too
01:00 katsmeow-afk and wier and we're
01:01 katsmeow-afk bight and bite
01:01 rue_house its a stupid language
01:01 rue_house if you have to have context to understand it when its said, why are the texts context demuxed
01:01 tsmeow-afk doesn'
01:02 katsmeow-afk it was bad before the twitter msgs, it's only gotten worse
01:22 tsmeow-afk flips zhanx's truck over so the pitman arm is in the correct orienta
01:23 katsmeow-afk checking the work conditions upstairs..........
01:49 katsmeow-afk with fan on, can be at the bandsaw till 10am, i spose, since it's doing all the work, but it's boring,, not boring, that's the drill press's job, boring, but..... <cusswords>
01:49 rue_house ?
01:51 katsmeow-afk it's still hot upstairs, and the hyoumidity is high
01:52 katsmeow-afk 3 roof fans have been on all day long, and have a fan on blowing across the bandsaw station too
01:52 katsmeow-afk FF just crashed
01:55 tsmeow-afk is sorta fascinated and attracted that she can doa fancy back of the envelope drawing, and then make something from metal in the real world that resembles it and functions as prop
01:55 katsmeow-afk is that tmi ?
01:55 katsmeow-afk and with no brake, no lathe, no mill, no cnc
01:56 rue_house its exciting as my shop builds up
01:56 rue_house I can just make things
01:56 rue_house mostly usually
01:57 katsmeow-afk i am restricted to using materials that fit together: 1/2 rod with 1/2 ID bearings, etc
01:57 katsmeow-afk and not all 1/2 rod is 1/2
01:58 katsmeow-afk how many wireless mice can i run on one desktop?
01:58 katsmeow-afk 1 to this puter, one to the laptop, how many more?
02:00 katsmeow-afk sometimes i spend hours looking for just the right part, that's labled exactly like all the parts that won't fit
02:00 rue_house realistate wise or that widnows can handle before it segfaults
02:01 katsmeow-afk hmm ?
02:01 katsmeow-afk one mouse per puter is all i want, but if i want a separate mouse for puters running stuff that cannot be interrupted
02:02 katsmeow-afk black mouse = normal, blue mouse = busy stuff , red mouse = leave turned off because it's critcal stuff
02:03 rue_house hmm
02:28 katsmeow-afk the sad part about the oem upgrading the 6502 now: he'd be making a ARM processor
02:29 katsmeow-afk but, for stuff you and i wanna do, they'd spend time on making it a 500Mhz part too, and then charge us for the speed we don't really need, and force us to use bloody fast pricey parts to interface to it
02:30 katsmeow-afk even then, the arm doesn't have a 48bit address space, and i have (possibly) 8 terabytes that a 32bit addy space won't cover
02:31 katsmeow-afk qty 28 drives, 300Gb, = 9GB , and that's not counting the 3 full trays of drive on the shelf
02:32 katsmeow-afk err
02:32 katsmeow-afk = 9 TB
02:32 katsmeow-afk if i allow for 24TB , that's 2^45 , well above 2^32
02:35 katsmeow-afk speed rankings: kat on keybd ; 6502 cluster ; misc optocoupled interfaces on parport ; 24TB of hdds ; internet ; gigbit lan ; 100GB sdram
02:35 rue_house problem solving is knowing the knowns and the raltion between them and the unknowns
02:35 katsmeow-afk and clustering and rankings
02:36 katsmeow-afk making a hdd box that windoze cannot see will also make it available to nix and arduinos and 6502s
02:37 katsmeow-afk you'll haveto do the nix and arduion ports
02:38 rue_bed if you ask a question, its to either resolve more knowns or to resolve a relation between them and an unknown your trying to work out
02:38 katsmeow-afk wait, why is rue_philosopher in rue_bed's location?
02:39 katsmeow-afk i got an adresing ewrror here already!
02:39 rue_bed I'm having rest cycle issues
02:39 katsmeow-afk me too, mine are environmental, it's not hot as hell upstairs right now
02:39 rue_bed its screwing with my mind
02:39 rue_bed I'm briefly seeing things in strange ways
02:40 rue_bed I had a good joke for you today
02:40 katsmeow-afk which drugs are you doing?
02:40 rue_bed I'm sorry I forgot it
02:40 rue_bed no drugs
02:40 katsmeow-afk i are sorry too
02:40 rue_bed I'm living two lives
02:40 rue_bed me@work
02:40 rue_bed and me@play
02:40 katsmeow-afk but shouldn't it be that way anyhow?
02:40 rue_bed they are taking up 20 hrs of my day
02:41 rue_bed which is being a problem
02:41 rue_bed :) about 108, still young, enough, maybe
02:41 katsmeow-afk gotta overlap them, they don';t need to be exxlusing ?
02:42 rue_bed I'm low on mental space
02:42 katsmeow-afk err, exclusive
02:42 rue_bed I'm having severe concentration issues
02:42 katsmeow-afk see, i still dunno
02:42 rue_bed work dosn't help, I cant do anything for 5 mins before being interrupted with someting else
02:42 katsmeow-afk if you are 23 and cannot concentrate, i'd say you are having too much sex
02:42 rue_bed I need to be able to sit down on one thing for 6+ hours
02:43 rue_bed hah
02:43 rue_bed I used to be able to do that when I had a coding job
02:43 rue_bed 10 hours on a problem and I'd nail it square on
02:44 rue_bed I could concentrate and make ideal solutions
02:44 katsmeow-afk yeas, the days when i could have a 15ft desk where i could unfold rows puter fanfold side by side and look for code bugs <sigh>
02:44 rue_bed I could remmeber what I was doing for more than 5 mins
02:45 rue_bed I'm a bit scared
02:45 rue_bed I dont know if my hardware is ok
02:45 katsmeow-afk i have no context for your situation, you won't say
02:45 rue_bed I verrymuch value the mind its hosting
02:46 katsmeow-afk but at the same time you will not do anything i sugegst for you
02:46 rue_bed by definition the biggest reverse engineering job of my life
02:46 rue_bed your suggestions have helped me lots of times
02:46 rue_bed just because I seem to have rejected them, I havn't
02:47 rue_bed I'm sorry it usually looks that way
02:47 katsmeow-afk are you drinking protein shakes every day ? no.
02:47 rue_bed .. no
02:47 katsmeow-afk carrying pen and writing pad? no
02:47 rue_bed meant to pick up some spam tho
02:47 rue_bed cant, not enough arms
02:47 katsmeow-afk spam is meat, you said you do not eat meat
02:47 rue_bed and even when I do write things down, if I'm not always reading them, its useless
02:48 rue_bed whats the bean stuff thats not spam
02:48 katsmeow-afk carry them in your pocket, i found that and pocket protectors to be very helpful is fending off sex
02:48 rue_bed you have some cute bias' you know :)
02:48 katsmeow-afk <rue_bed> meant to pick up some spam tho <<== spam is meat
02:48 rue_bed not spam
02:48 rue_bed wrong word
02:49 katsmeow-afk o
02:49 rue_bed like I said, mental concerns, lots of word indexing errors
02:49 rue_bed tofu
02:49 katsmeow-afk ah
02:49 katsmeow-afk hmm, aka estrogen
02:49 rue_bed think I can .. ?
02:50 rue_bed think I can break into a hospital and do myself a cranial mri?
02:50 katsmeow-afk geneic veggie burgers instead of tofu?
02:50 rue_bed tofu to bring up my protine intake
02:51 rue_bed I'm having diet issues,
02:51 rue_bed primarrly that I dont want to eat anymore
02:51 katsmeow-afk the milkshake has many other things in it that pofu cannot even dream of
02:51 rue_bed what are you putting in them, cause mine are made from local berries, icecream and milk
02:52 katsmeow-afk storebought, getting url...........
02:53 rue_bed I'm worried about toms spine, you?
02:53 rue_bed one day one of us is gonna die, I dont like that idea
02:53 katsmeow-afk i balance the concern *for* with the irritation *against* him not updating us
02:53 rue_bed well, that is, die first
02:54 katsmeow-afk http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=body%20fortress%20whey%20protein&typeahead=body%20fortress <<== ingredient list reads like a biochem lab
02:54 rue_bed no, even if I make myself into a machine, the universe will only last another 300 billion years or so and I'll die anyhow
02:54 katsmeow-afk comesin flavors, yo can add things to it, 2 scoopsis enough to cover the taste of unpleasant things
02:55 rue_bed I'll check it out, thankyou.
02:55 rue_bed as far as drugs go, I take vit D and .. E
02:55 katsmeow-afk in 1 billion years, things will have changed so much you will have had to rebuild your self all new anyhow
02:55 rue_bed no
02:55 rue_bed C and E
02:55 rue_bed or C and D
02:55 rue_bed ugh
02:55 rue_bed well, I also have a habbit of making backup copies *just in case*
02:56 rue_bed so, there would likley be a few of me
02:56 rue_bed *just in case*
02:56 katsmeow-afk asprin a day, or two each 12hrs, helps me, i have very thick blood that clots instantly
02:56 rue_bed thats not really safe
02:57 katsmeow-afk i once pulled off a scab, very slowly, and about 2ft of string made 100% blood came out
02:57 rue_bed lots of vinegar on the food?
02:57 katsmeow-afk vinegar in the relish
02:57 rue_bed mmm
02:57 katsmeow-afk blod you can pull out of a cut as a solid string is not safe either, i figure the asprin is safer
02:58 rue_bed why can I watch murder tv shows for hours, and that thought gives me the willies
02:59 katsmeow-afk i dunno, too much fake drama for me
03:00 katsmeow-afk i get excited when parts go together correctly and work right,, whether it's am omelet or a shake or a machine or a pcb (which i hae not done in a decade now)
03:01 katsmeow-afk i switched from whole wheat bread to whole oat
03:01 rue_bed bread is hard for me, I eat about 2 slices before it goes bad
03:01 katsmeow-afk tastes better, i figure better for me, costs more
03:02 katsmeow-afk ya know you can put anything tween breads? salads, breakfast eggs, even pasta
03:02 katsmeow-afk spagetti sammich is actually pretty good, with the right bread
03:02 rue_bed how about an inverted shpere?
03:03 katsmeow-afk i've never eaten an inverted spere
03:03 rue_bed hmm
03:04 rue_bed not even a candy red one?
03:04 katsmeow-afk spaggetti sammich <<== i though outside the feed plate too
03:04 rue_bed :)
03:04 rue_bed I have 5 hours to get sleep
03:04 rue_bed I kinda drank a bunch of black tea tho...
03:05 katsmeow-afk i have 7hrs before the heat come on high from that nuke furnace in the sky
03:05 rue_bed I cant stay awake after work
03:05 katsmeow-afk ah
03:05 katsmeow-afk maybe too many carbs for lunch, not enough fats, and not enoug caffine
03:06 rue_bed I stay away from eating carborators, too much aluminum
03:06 katsmeow-afk pick out a tastey sharp cheese
03:06 rue_bed no caffeen
03:06 rue_bed for lunch?
03:06 katsmeow-afk and a snak a couple hrs after lunch
03:06 rue_bed hmm
03:07 rue_bed thats a new idea I can sure try
03:07 katsmeow-afk not much, 200 callories worth shold be plenty nuff
03:07 e_bed dosn't
03:07 rue_bed is that more or less than a brick?
03:07 katsmeow-afk well, common cheap slices are ~60 - ~100 depending
03:07 rue_bed ah
03:08 rue_bed average lunch sandwhich has 2 full slices
03:08 katsmeow-afk big deli slices maybe 150 each, 200 each
03:08 rue_bed ok, overdoing it for the start might be a good idea too
03:08 katsmeow-afk yea,, i recommend you eat a slice 2hrs or so after lunch
03:09 katsmeow-afk as lunch is good too
03:10 rue_bed nerves have a lot of background noise
03:10 katsmeow-afk but for the falling asleep after work thing, eat a slice well after lunch
03:10 rue_bed do you think much can be abstracted from the nural structure unrelated to a nerve vai anaisis of the noise?
03:10 katsmeow-afk no
03:10 rue_bed sorry, typeing is fialing
03:11 rue_bed why is there a sympathetic ganglion
03:11 katsmeow-afk only thing i think you can find is that inentional processing may swamp random noise, but you cannot tell what processing or why
03:11 rue_bed optimize signal timing?
03:12 rue_bed I was surprized tthat I/O paths are seperate
03:12 katsmeow-afk people have FINALLY discovered that they can detect when someone is doing complicated math by the increase in some processing, but by looking at it they can't tell it's actually math
03:13 rue_bed I thought for sure there would be bidirectional signalling
03:13 katsmeow-afk possibly tis will help for people with complete C1 level broken necks, and veggitative states, they can think of complex math to "say" no via brain scans
03:18 rue_bed eyes share two control systems, one that wants to close them, one that wants to open them
03:18 rue_bed a slap in the face deturs the one that wants to close them
03:20 katsmeow-afk yeas
03:20 katsmeow-afk however, eventually the one that closes them will operate faster than the slap can be performed
03:20 katsmeow-afk in that case, you dream you got slapped as you drive off the road
05:21 katsmeow-afk even with the fan on me, i am still sweating up there, and i am not doing the sawing, the bandsaw ia
05:21 katsmeow-afk is
06:11 katsmeow-afk wow, even tho the sun is near the equator, it gets brighter north of rue (Fraiser, Galbraith, Fort Halkett, etc) before it gets brighter at rue
07:52 katsmeow-afk already 80F with a dewpt of 75
11:03 any69959472 hot
16:37 Tom_L http://www.electronicproducts.com/Robotics/Futurism/Assembly_robot_murders_worker_at_Volkswagen_plant.aspx
16:37 Tom_L http://www.electronicproducts.com/Robotics/Futurism/Australian_brick_laying_robot_constructs_a_full_sized_home_in_just_two_days.aspx
18:11 zhanx i got my package from china, its like Christmas http://imgur.com/ewU99dw
19:57 rue_house cool stuff
19:58 zhanx_ should take care of most of my home automation system
19:58 zhanx_ still need / waiting on parts for the control system
19:59 zhanx_ but all nodes are in and I am working on a pcb for the sensors to plug into, that connects all the pieces together
20:11 rue_house cool
20:13 zhanx_ if i am stepping down from 5v to 3v and my esp8266's will use about 250ma
20:13 zhanx_ should i use a 800ma voltage regulator to be safe?
20:16 rue_house china amps or north american amps?
20:16 rue_house what temperature is the rating for? -20c?
20:17 zhanx_ 25C
20:17 zhanx_ usa amps
20:18 rue_house ? I got 100 leds, I dont know from who
20:18 zhanx_ not me
20:20 rue_house yea I dont get it
20:20 rue_house 100pcs red leds
20:20 rue_house I cant tell I ever ordered them
21:41 zhanx_ http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TC1262-3.0VDB/TC1262-3.0VDB-ND/1994656
21:41 zhanx_ my voltage regulator i think
21:49 rue_shop3 its linear
21:49 zhanx_ and?
21:59 rue_shop3 my forearm toque is about 61kg-cm
22:01 rue_shop3 so bot will be about 152 kg-cm
22:13 zhanx_ thats it?
22:13 zhanx_ i broke my torque wrench today :(
22:13 zhanx_ got mad and used both arms and yanked it
22:24 rue_shop3 just forarm developed torque, not when you fold your arm over and heave on it