#garfield Logs

Jun 28 2015

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01:37 katsmeow-afk no
01:37 katsmeow-afk 1500psi water?
01:37 rue_shop3 yea, an oil peeing mouse would be annoying
01:37 rue_shop3 hmm
01:38 katsmeow-afk dremel tool?
01:38 rue_shop3 I'v tried acetone, alcohol, windex, water, and WD40
01:38 rue_shop3 something must disolve it
01:38 katsmeow-afk pvc cleaner?
01:38 katsmeow-afk why must you disolve it?
01:38 rue_shop3 usually one of those hit it, as it covers oil, water, and other
01:39 rue_shop3 its all over the battery terminals of the meter I was given
01:39 katsmeow-afk oh, melt it off with soldering gun
01:40 rue_shop3 heat!?!
01:40 rue_shop3 I didn't think of heat...
01:40 katsmeow-afk if it insists on staying, it will float off if you solder the space that actually contacts the battery
01:40 tsmeow-afk has done it,, tho i forget what type of battery it way, but it was a hard yellow
01:41 rue_shop3 this has taken on copper and is green
01:41 katsmeow-afk yeas, gun and rosin solder, i wouldn't sacrifice a good iron tip tho
01:41 katsmeow-afk oh
01:41 rue_shop3 or the solder pot };)
01:42 katsmeow-afk if it already etched to not tinned any more, remove it from the meter and retin it all over, else copper oxide will keep forming and that's an insulator
01:42 rue_shop3 11:00, I better start supper
01:42 katsmeow-afk if you are removing it, then you can wire-brush-in-dremel it
01:42 rue_shop3 you must be at 2am
01:42 katsmeow-afk 1:20am
01:42 rue_shop3 I cant get into all the annoyances
01:43 katsmeow-afk i was just watching Defiance and Human
01:43 rue_shop3 I'm tipped out on tea, I'm prolly good to stay up to 5am, but I'v not anything to do yet
01:44 katsmeow-afk you cold find me some 4 gallon non-pre-pressurised drinking-water tanks
01:44 katsmeow-afk i spose i could just drill out the air port on the pressurised ones :-/
01:45 katsmeow-afk remove the shrader valve
01:45 rue_shop3 how about the 10 gallon expansion tank I have in the back yard
01:45 rue_shop3 :/
01:46 katsmeow-afk only problem is it's in your back yard
01:46 rue_shop3 if you were next door I'd roll it over the line
01:46 katsmeow-afk be too pricey for me to run a water line up there
01:46 rue_shop3 if I throw it in the ocean, what are the odds it'll wash up ashore somewhere near you?
01:46 rue_shop3 I could plug the holes
01:46 katsmeow-afk i'd need freaking congressional approval to cross the border with a pipeline :-|
01:47 katsmeow-afk no
01:47 rue_shop3 dont think you will get it, its being tried already
01:47 katsmeow-afk i know
01:47 katsmeow-afk that is sooooo stupid too
01:47 rue_shop3 not really, they have a bad history of sprining oil leaks
01:47 katsmeow-afk where? only at the border??
01:47 rue_shop3 usually because they dont wnat to pay for maintenance
01:48 rue_shop3 and its been recorded they can take up to 2 days to shut off the line when its puking out oil
01:48 rue_shop3 and its also known they are better at covering up a problem than cleaning up one
01:48 katsmeow-afk so end the pipeline 2ft fromt he border o one side, attach a firehose nozzle, and shoot it across
01:49 rue_shop3 as I understnad the gulf heads still leak
01:49 katsmeow-afk many do, the one that blew up a couple yrs ago has already been cut 15ft+ below sea floor
01:49 rue_shop3 I need to go start supper, got any sweet image finds for me when I get back?
01:50 katsmeow-afk images of oil?
01:53 katsmeow-afk https://duckduckgo.com/?q=oil+well+ocean+leaking
01:53 rue_shop3 all the bugs went to bed
01:54 rue_shop3 I'z wondering if you found any good toons online today
01:54 katsmeow-afk have not looked
01:54 rue_shop3 today me and one of the guys who comes around made a 555-less 555 oscillator
01:54 rue_shop3 with a 48V relay, a 1k resistor, and a 1mF cap
01:55 katsmeow-afk charge the cap across the relay till it pulls in, and the relay shorts it out and drops the relay?
01:55 rue_shop3 discharges thru the coil
01:55 rue_shop3 cap across it
01:56 rue_shop3 relay pulls 8mA
01:56 katsmeow-afk what connects the cap to the coil?
01:56 rue_shop3 relay disconnects itself
01:56 rue_shop3 wires :)
01:56 katsmeow-afk oh
01:56 rue_shop3 the 1k pushes enough to leak the coil and charge the cap
01:57 rue_shop3 thats why I used a 48V relay, low current
01:57 rue_shop3 I was surprised, Von was 25 Voff was 6.5
01:57 rue_shop3 thast a hell of a schmitt
01:57 katsmeow-afk yeas
01:58 katsmeow-afk that's wth i keep saying, pull in at rated coil voltage, then hold in at much lower volts, 1/2 the volts = 1/4 the wattage , the coil runs cooler
01:58 rue_shop3 yup
01:58 rue_shop3 I seen some old circuits that did that
01:58 rue_shop3 dont remember where
01:59 katsmeow-afk i learned that waaaaaaaaaaaay back ~1975, building the electric car with ford car starter relays as contactors
01:59 rue_shop3 thoguht that was really cute when I saw it
01:59 katsmeow-afk i showed it to you
01:59 katsmeow-afk did the same with lighting relays here
01:59 rue_shop3 Iv seen it in something I took apart and reverse engineered
01:59 rue_shop3 dont lighting relays usually latch/
01:59 rue_shop3 ?
02:00 katsmeow-afk when relay was off, a cap charged to full voltage, but the resistor charging the cap could supply only 1/2 the coil current, so the coil dropped to 1/2 volts as the cap discharged
02:00 rue_shop3 that sounds like what I saw
02:00 katsmeow-afk ergo, it pulled in with 12v, and held in at 6v, and ran cool
02:01 katsmeow-afk nowadays, it would prolly be a big parrallel relay lineup, and use pwm from an avr
02:01 katsmeow-afk gotta use one pin per relay anyhow, pretty much
02:02 rue_shop3 :/ I dont remmeber the projects I wanted me to work on
02:02 rue_shop3 cant see anything written on the pages under the keyboard
02:03 katsmeow-afk making a way a program can write to relays connected to a wintel pc
02:03 katsmeow-afk or optocouplers
02:03 rue_shop3 did I tell you about the servos I didn't buy, but apparently didn't pay for either?
02:03 katsmeow-afk lots of them
02:03 katsmeow-afk yeas
02:03 rue_shop3 did that once
02:03 rue_shop3 used a parallel port and a string of 74--595
02:04 rue_shop3 had to restabalize the signals with 74xx14
02:04 rue_shop3 used o/c 2n2222 outputs
02:04 rue_shop3 I suppose if that wifi module has 2 outputs one could use that too
02:05 katsmeow-afk what about sending data, recieving data? like if i wanted to program banks of 6502 from my wintel puter?
02:05 rue_shop3 you cant program a 6502 :)
02:05 katsmeow-afk i have
02:05 katsmeow-afk ram chip beside it
02:05 rue_shop3 you need to sieze the bus and write to its SRAM, then reset it
02:05 rue_shop3 :)
02:05 katsmeow-afk ok
02:06 rue_shop3 does the 6502 have bus sieze provisions?
02:06 rue_shop3 can the reset vector be changed?
02:06 rue_shop3 hmmm
02:06 rue_shop3 now you have me thinking
02:06 rue_shop3 I'm in project-heat right now, I'm gonna pick somthing and work on it till 5am
02:07 katsmeow-afk depending on who made that particular 6502, there's WAIT, HALT, and stopping the clock
02:07 rue_shop3 oh, hold the wait...
02:07 katsmeow-afk ok, put a sram (or two) on a ide cable and make your puter write a file to it
02:08 rue_shop3 I was thinking that if you could have a ROM program that caught the processor in a loop, seize its memory, and trigger an interrrupt that causes it to hit a ram entry point...
02:09 rue_shop3 it would never return from the origional interrupt, which wouldn't matter
02:09 katsmeow-afk on some 6502, there an SYNC pin, it means the cpu is fetching an instruction, yo can grab the buss and see what the address is it's looking at, and give it a redirect to the address you want
02:09 rue_shop3 oh how hacker! :)
02:10 rue_shop3 use resistors and a bus driver chip that can override what its reading
02:10 rue_shop3 JMP 0x0000
02:10 katsmeow-afk deselect the ram so the buss is floating and just put your own data on it
02:10 rue_shop3 yea or that
02:10 rue_shop3 :)
02:11 katsmeow-afk same with making up new opcodes: you see the new opcode come in from sram, quickly kill the buss and put in a new series of code
02:11 katsmeow-afk faking microcoding the cpu
02:12 rue_shop3 hmm, well I cant work on the pipe bender, requires loud things
02:12 rue_shop3 and its midnight, the neighbours would appreciate me less
02:13 katsmeow-afk ok, put a sram (or two) on a ide cable and make your puter write a file to it
02:13 rue_shop3 same with the mech hand
02:14 rue_shop3 you could make a latch for the 16 address lines, and when you write to the data port it does the takeover and writes it
02:14 rue_shop3 did I show you the ISA Z80 motherboard I made?
02:14 katsmeow-afk no
02:14 rue_shop3 oh,
02:14 rue_shop3 han't written anything for it yet
02:15 rue_shop3 its got 32k ram and 32k eeprom
02:15 rue_shop3 so the whole memory space is full
02:15 rue_shop3 so far I made it flash an led on a isa bus test card
02:16 rue_shop3 wanted to get a 8250 card going, but I dont have a +-12V suppply on it
02:16 rue_shop3 er, I have +12, not -12
02:16 katsmeow-afk ok, put a sram (or two) on a ide cable and make your puter write a file to it
02:16 rue_shop3 used a 4 pin std molex for the power
02:16 rue_shop3 kat...
02:17 rue_shop3 you seem to be into me making a solid state microdrive?
02:17 rue_shop3 I'd have to give it a microcontroller, to implement the register set
02:17 rue_shop3 and spool out the sector
02:17 katsmeow-afk maybe, or a bloody fast parport
02:18 rue_shop3 the parport could do the full isa bus speed, no?
02:18 rue_shop3 66Mhz?
02:18 katsmeow-afk micro is prolly way too slow, just a counter driving the addy lines
02:18 rue_shop3 or ws it 33
02:18 katsmeow-afk 33, 66, 100, 120, 133
02:18 rue_shop3 133 was pci, I'm sure of it
02:19 katsmeow-afk ide is addy(a 24bit byte, a 24bit byte), and then the 16bit data
02:19 rue_shop3 and I'm sure the 286 was like 16 or 25 on the isa bus
02:19 rue_shop3 there are 8 registers...
02:19 rue_shop3 a command, status, data, sector number..
02:19 katsmeow-afk ok, if it's ide, it should be transportable from windoze to nix to 286 to p4
02:20 rue_shop3 battery backed up ... 64k?
02:20 katsmeow-afk i did say ide, not isa or pci
02:20 rue_shop3 8kbyte ssd
02:20 katsmeow-afk i'd prefer 32k or 64k srams
02:20 rue_shop3 "here is your file, now hurry off before the backup battery dies"
02:20 katsmeow-afk that's easiest tomake the first one of, and i have plenty of them
02:21 katsmeow-afk and they are fast and need no cpu intervention
02:21 rue_shop3 secotrs are usually 512 bytes?...
02:21 katsmeow-afk or 1024 or 4096 on new TB drives (i think)
02:22 rue_shop3 64kbit chip would hold 16 sectors
02:22 rue_shop3 isn't 16 sectors enough for a boot block?
02:22 katsmeow-afk an avr to write the "drive" data to a ram, a ram to be the "data platter"
02:22 rue_shop3 hey they used to use 8041 controllers
02:23 rue_shop3 at 12Mhz divided down to..
02:23 rue_shop3 prolly about 2 mips
02:23 rue_shop3 I think 6 to 12 cycles per instruction typical
02:24 katsmeow-afk i have srams up to 128k x 16, and as fast as 10ns
02:24 rue_shop3 smt?
02:24 katsmeow-afk i want this thing
02:24 rue_shop3 cant say it would be fast tho
02:24 katsmeow-afk soj, tssop, and dips
02:25 rue_shop3 matter a fact, I'd almost bet its easier to hack a new drive to use its cache as a drive
02:25 katsmeow-afk you make it work, i'll speed it up
02:25 rue_shop3 hmm
02:25 katsmeow-afk brb, ggt
02:25 rue_shop3 oh supper!
02:28 katsmeow-afk bak
02:29 tsmeow-afk ponders how feasable it would be to find the oldest slowest smallest fat32 pata drive, snoop it's buss during bootup, and during a few file reads and wr
02:30 katsmeow-afk then unplug the drive,a nd play backthe cached snoops
02:32 katsmeow-afk http://www.cbsnews.com/news/another-solar-storm-to-hit-earth-this-weekend/
02:37 rue_shop3 the 3rd storm in a decade eh?
02:38 tsmeow-afk wasn't counting, but hatesinternet interruptons just so the sun can have a
02:39 rue_shop3 hah, it had the fit 2 days ago
02:39 rue_shop3 er, hours..
02:42 katsmeow-afk http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Gulf-of-Mexico-Oil-Platform-Still-Leaking-after-9-Years.html
02:43 rue_shop3 its been 9 years?!
02:43 rue_shop3 hasn't it been like 3?
02:43 katsmeow-afk different platform
02:43 rue_shop3 ugh
02:44 katsmeow-afk executive director of the Louisiana Environmental Action Network, explained that “people all around the world, and even most people here in Louisiana, saw the BP oil disaster as an unacceptable, reckless event.
02:44 katsmeow-afk Here we have a **domestic energy company** that has had crude oil leaking continuously from their wells for nine years and with no apparent consequences from the government.
02:45 katsmeow-afk Taylor’s daily aerial survey finds evidence of oil almost every time. On the 18th June it reported a sheen that measured 10.1 miles long and 200 feet wide, although NOAA's National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service spotted the sheen from space via satellite and recorded it as being 30.5 miles long and 2.5 miles wide.
02:45 katsmeow-afk that was , apparently, in 2013?
02:46 rue_shop3 so BP was prolly cleaning up more than just he BP spill
02:46 rue_shop3 hah
02:46 rue_shop3 they got the publicity and the cheque
02:46 tsmeow-afk
02:47 rue_shop3 there was prolly oil everywhere before people went looking for it
02:48 katsmeow-afk there's prolly now oil everywhere that people can't look at
02:48 rue_shop3 didn't they fix the problem by making the problem areas inaccessable?
02:49 katsmeow-afk yu mean a mile deep? not really, many epple have remote rov now
02:50 rue_shop3 oh I thought they put patrols out to keep people away from the beaches that everything was washing up on
02:51 katsmeow-afk not much is washing up now, but it's said there;s layers of oil on the gulf seabed in laces meters deep
02:53 rue_shop3 oh oh oh I gotta try this circuit idea
02:53 rue_shop3 for a capacitive water level sensor
02:53 katsmeow-afk aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggg http://www.osd.noaa.gov/Spacecraft%20Systems/Ground_Systems/JASON/jason.html <<== This webpage is currently under construction.
02:53 tsmeow-afk s
02:54 katsmeow-afk put a sram (or two) on a ide cable and make your puter write a file to it
02:54 rue_shop3 for a set of 22 guage parallel wires, what do you think the capacitance goes up per inch with water jacket?
02:54 rue_shop3 I cant do that in a night..
02:54 rue_shop3 I only have maybe 4.5 hours left
02:55 katsmeow-afk i dunno
02:55 katsmeow-afk pretty sure it will vary with how impure the water is
02:56 katsmeow-afk how good are leds to be photodetectors?
03:03 katsmeow-afk Saturday May 16, 2015 8:10 PM
03:03 katsmeow-afk A decade-old oil leak where an offshore platform toppled during a hurricane could continue spilling crude into the Gulf of Mexico for a century or longer if left unchecked, according to government estimates
03:03 katsmeow-afk http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2015/05/16/oil-well-leak-in-gulf-of-mexico-could-go-on-for-100-years-u-s--says.html
03:04 rue_shop3 in about 7" of water, the 2 conductor cable goes from 32 to 47pf
03:04 rue_shop3 (18pf shunt)
03:05 katsmeow-afk what if you add salt or algae or calcium carbnate to the water?
03:05 rue_shop3 just water
03:05 rue_shop3 I need a well sensor
03:05 katsmeow-afk ok, but water with salt in it looks the same
03:06 rue_shop3 I'm playing with one made of 2 conductor dropped into the well
03:06 katsmeow-afk oh, you'll still have mineral issues in the well
03:06 katsmeow-afk and scaling
03:06 rue_shop3 just algee if its not pumped
03:06 rue_shop3 so about .5pF per inch
03:07 katsmeow-afk led --- water --- detector
03:07 rue_shop3 I want to try this cause I think its crazy
03:07 rue_shop3 analog level sensor
03:07 katsmeow-afk even if they scale up a lil, the water level will be a transition zone from air to water
03:07 rue_shop3 I agree, I'm playing...
03:08 katsmeow-afk lower a 20mhz osc into the well, and count it's actual freq as the level changes it's freq?
03:08 rue_shop3 recall when I had an avr use an LED as a light sensor by timing the discharge of the reverse biased charged led?
03:08 katsmeow-afk no
03:08 rue_shop3 yea, a 555 osc
03:09 rue_shop3 hmm
03:09 katsmeow-afk your osc will need to be temperature compensated
03:09 katsmeow-afk 555 don;t do 20mhz
03:09 rue_shop3 http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tutorials/elex/ledsensor/ledsensor.html
03:10 rue_shop3 I'm sure if I use huge resistors I can get it to a descent freq at 47pf
03:11 katsmeow-afk you need definitions, rue, how much is "some blooming clear table space" ?
03:11 rue_shop3 its deiscretionary
03:11 rue_shop3 the code uses the led as a sensor, and indicator
03:11 rue_shop3 when you put your finger over the led, it toggles the led on and off
03:12 katsmeow-afk you gotta bury those tabletop screws, i have shorted stuff on them
03:12 rue_shop3 yes, I stick tape over them when I'm electrifying
03:13 rue_shop3 I was surprised to find that the input current of the avr can take about 1/4sec to discharge the capacitance of an led
03:14 katsmeow-afk must be femtoamps
03:14 rue_shop3 i was surprised
03:15 rue_shop3 esp when putting a 10M resistor across it caused it to discharge too fast to read
03:18 rue_shop3 hmm I wonder if the pump running would generate so much noise that it'd all get thrown for a ****
03:18 rue_shop3 :) prolly
03:19 katsmeow-afk use a high pass filter on the sensor wires
03:20 katsmeow-afk 60hz motor won't make much 20Mhz noise,, altho it may move the wires around, and change position to the metal plumbing
03:20 rue_shop3 its a brushless 12Vdc pump
03:20 katsmeow-afk umm, ok
03:21 rue_shop3 oh drat, I just ran out of steam
03:21 tsmeow-afk says something to steam up
03:21 rue_shop3 my eyes keep closing
03:22 rue_shop3 :( this is the only chance I get to work without lots of distractions
03:28 rue_shop3 its sure hard to code when I realize that my eyes closed and what I'm seeing is from my imagination
03:28 rue_shop3 ERROR: Inconsistant image buffer data.
03:28 katsmeow-afk i get angry when i find i have coded for an hour, and then i wake up to find it was a dream
03:30 rue_shop3 ok I'm gonna turn the shop lights off, turn on a small light and see if I dont wake up on my keybaord
03:31 katsmeow-afk i think i'll goto bed, so i know where i'll wake up before i goto sleep
03:31 katsmeow-afk sleep this puter too
03:31 katsmeow-afk gnies
03:31 rue_shop3 gngiht
03:32 rue_shop3 the
03:32 rue_shop3 the filament led bulb is flicker free
03:32 rue_shop3 there is no alias thru the fan blades
10:54 Tom_itx rue_shop3, are you running wheezy on anything?
10:54 Tom_itx wanted to figure out how static ip works on it. seems a bit different
12:42 rue_house 1 min
12:43 rue_house zippo:/files/programming/c/nxpdude# cat /etc/debian_version
12:43 rue_house wheezy/sid
12:43 rue_house sorta?
12:43 rue_house oh static ip is easy
12:43 rue_house exit /etc/network/interfaces
12:43 rue_house er
12:43 rue_house edit
12:43 rue_house static looks like
12:44 rue_house iface eth1 inet static
12:44 rue_house address 192.168.8.42
12:44 rue_house network 192.168.8.0
12:44 rue_house netmask 255.255.255.0
12:44 rue_house broadcast 192.168.8.0
12:44 rue_house remember to leave in the line beofre that that says
12:44 any36383192 oh
12:44 rue_house auto eth1
12:45 rue_house morning kat
12:45 rue_house today I changed the tip on my soldering iron
12:45 rue_house need to find a source of material I can make them on the lathe
12:46 any36383192 but you remember, china has made the price of pata-sata converters drop to $1 each now, and making a pata interface (at home) work full speed is tons easier than making a sata interface, but for a buck you can connect it as sata too
12:46 Tom_itx what does auto eth1 do?
12:46 Tom_itx automatically reconnect?
12:46 rue_house sets it up on boot
12:46 any36383192 used wirefeed tips?
12:46 rue_house otherwise you have to do it manually after bootup
12:47 Tom_itx apparently those lines didn't work with wheezy
12:47 rue_house kat ? that would leave a hole down the middle of my soldering tip...
12:47 Tom_itx i haven't tried it yet but gave those same lines to someone else that tried it
12:47 rue_house Tom_itx, hu
12:47 any36383192 not if you put solder in it
12:47 rue_house have access to the machine now?
12:47 Tom_itx no
12:47 any36383192 if it was a big enough hole, you could call it a desolderer
12:47 rue_house those are the right lines, if it didn't come up on boot, you forgot the auto
12:48 rue_house even if you have nothing plugged into a port those lines will set it up with a static ip
12:48 Tom_itx yeah
12:48 rue_house you probbaly have a problem where the network card or hardware has been changed and its nolonger ethx
12:48 Tom_itx he's changing from dynamic to static
12:48 Tom_itx all the equipment works currently
12:48 rue_house if you run ifconfig -a it will list ALL the network interfaces and you can find out what the card is and correct the network interface number
12:49 any36383192 and netstat -help
12:49 any36383192 and that other command i forget atm
12:49 Tom_itx i'm on min typing mode right now
12:49 rue_house debian remembers the mac address of network interfaces and makes sure not to re-use a name for a different interface
12:49 Tom_itx until i see the doc
12:49 rue_house if you have eth0 and change the network card, it will me eth1
12:49 rue_house be
12:50 any36383192 %^*$%^^#$^$ i told ya months ago to see a doc
12:50 Tom_itx tomorrow
12:50 rue_house did tom break his fingers?
12:50 any36383192 no, his neck
12:50 rue_house a neck is usually important to being alive
12:50 rue_house that should get fixed
12:51 any36383192 i thought so too
12:51 any36383192 we did discuss it in here, this here room, right in hee, with you here
12:51 any36383192 months ago
12:51 rue_house was I actually here?
12:51 Tom_itx weeks
12:51 any36383192 you were a participant
12:51 rue_house ok, I believe you
12:51 Tom_itx i was?
12:51 any36383192 yeas
12:52 rue_house maybe I'll remember better after I migrate my conciousness to a silicon platform
12:52 any36383192 nah, just plug in more ram and hdd space
12:52 rue_house ^based
12:52 Tom_itx seems i can't move anything without some sort of pain
12:52 any36383192 you'll need that interface i keep bugging you about
12:52 rue_house oooh, I was trying to help you diagnose this and you left
12:53 any36383192 no, you were diagnosing a capacitor sensor
12:53 rue_house I was asking detials of where the pain was, and had complete human nerve schematics up
12:53 any36383192 oh, that
12:53 rue_house :)
12:53 rue_house I got the capacitor sensor working tho
12:53 any36383192 yea,, he has a cervical pine issue
12:53 Tom_itx takes most of the night to find a position i can sleep then it's time to get up
12:54 rue_house its your arm?
12:54 Tom_itx neck, side, arm
12:54 rue_house it got worse, not gooood...
12:54 any36383192 Tom, once you get into the right position, have wife make a cast of you in that position, that way you can just fall into it the next nite
12:54 Tom_itx it changes
12:55 rue_house oh bugger, I was completely set up at the time to extactly pinpoint the problem for you
12:55 rue_house I'm gonna go take a shower
12:55 any36383192 AND NOW YOU LEAVE ?!
12:55 any36383192 you gotta fix Tom, s lan
12:56 any36383192 ishould eat food so i can stop reaching over it
12:59 any36383192 it's really hard to catch the pirana, they keep eating the nets
13:00 Tom_itx rue_house, his config: http://pastebin.com/RNJQxH1L
13:15 rue_house eth0 ok, so whats in /etc/network/interfaces
13:15 rue_house eth0 or 1?
13:15 rue_house or 4
13:15 rue_house Tom_itx, 1) is the pain on the left or right side?
13:16 rue_house 1 letter answers are fine
13:20 any36383192 "still a premium product" = "we demand you pay out the arse for it"
13:22 rue_house toms doing it again
13:23 rue_house kat turns out the U bar that the press is made out is much larger than 4"
13:24 any36383192 hmm?
13:24 rue_house the press I want to make
13:25 any36383192 memory error
13:25 rue_house I was working on a material list
13:25 rue_house you said to use H beam instead of I beam
13:25 rue_house I learned the difference
13:26 Tom_itx do you feel like helping him?
13:26 any36383192 but "u bar" ? "turns out is bigger"? you are making it, you didn;t know how big you are making it?
13:26 Tom_itx he's in robotics i think
13:26 any36383192 oh,, the "u bar" = channel
13:27 any36383192 yeas, H beam, being easier to drill than the tapered flanges on the I beam
13:27 rue_house I dont want to make it
13:27 Tom_itx give him a bit
13:28 rue_house Tom_itx, 1) is the pain on the left or right side?
13:28 Tom_itx l
13:28 y36383192 hand rue ~$60 of 3" channel and some 2" flat stock, to make a set of ladders, to hold the press t
13:29 rue_house Tom_itx, 2) how are you holding your head lately, straight, or slightly back and to the right?
13:30 Tom_itx s
13:31 rue_house Tom_itx, 3) when this first all started, did you take any anti-inflamitories
13:31 Tom_itx no
13:31 any36383192 WHY NOT?
13:31 any36383192 oops
13:31 rue_house have you tried anti-inflamitories?
13:31 Tom_itx bbl
13:31 rue_house ^ 4)
13:31 any36383192 rue, you are making him type
13:32 rue_house I'm worried that he's got damage on the inside of his spine at the nerve exit (sensory cluster)
13:32 rue_house and that its getting worse
13:32 any36383192 i been worried that
13:33 rue_house but if he wont asnwer any questions, I sure the hell cant even get a clue
13:33 rue_house amazing how some animals just lay down and die when they dont have to
13:33 any36383192 he has a doc appt tomorrow
13:35 rue_house the doc wont have a clue
13:35 rue_house dollars to doughnuts he dosnt' care
13:35 rue_house pretty sure as long as tom sits there for half an hour or whatever that doc gets his $500
13:35 rue_house no diagnoses req'd
13:36 any36383192 or $1500 MRI , more likely
13:36 rue_house but i'm sure his doc will be kind enough to forward the problem to someone else that dosn't really care
13:36 rue_house is the MRI waiting list about 8 mo like in canada?
13:36 any36383192 but likewise, you cannot fix him from Van, your arms aren't long enough
13:36 rue_house here, 8mo is if your semi-urgent
13:37 rue_house if your not suffering or already dieing you can wait 3-4years
13:37 any36383192 48hrs in usa for MRI, or faster,, they *want* that money from you before someone else gets it
13:37 rue_house huh
13:38 rue_house I'd bet toms problem could be made out with an ultrasound even
13:39 any36383192 not for fine details
13:40 any36383192 the CAT imaging software lets the docs see the area from all angles with one shot in the MRI
13:41 rue_house your not talking about a CT scan tho...
13:41 any36383192 *thru* stuff,, the acustic ultrasound is a reflective thing
13:41 any36383192 MRI has the same layered and imaging software
13:42 any36383192 CT is often xrays, MRI makes the tissue emit the signal, but they can use the same software to display, and the MRI can run on you all day long with no xray damage
13:42 rue_house yup
13:48 any36383192 http://www.americanmachinetools.com/images/flat_bar_roller_PRB65H.jpg <<== only $13,000
13:50 any36383192 http://www.americanmachinetools.com/images/baileigh_rh150.jpg <<== no price, but shipping weight is 5 tons
13:51 any36383192 shop i went to a few times had a really fancy tube bender for exhaust pipe, real pricey, could do anything
13:51 rue_house it was fixed bend radius?
13:51 rue_house shoes?
13:51 any36383192 someone walekd off with all their dies one nite, almost put them outa business
13:52 any36383192 variable, electric/hydraulic
13:52 rue_house mm
13:52 any36383192 i need to make one like this : http://www.americanmachinetools.com/images/bar_bender.jpg
13:53 rue_house http://hackaday.com/2015/06/28/maker-faire-kansas-city-coming-to-grips-with-the-mechanics-of-dexterity/
13:54 any36383192 good freaking greief, i built wooden crap like that when i was 10 yrs old
13:55 rue_house I'm amused it comes up while I'm making that hand I'm making
13:55 any36383192 "The impetus for [Dan]’s project was his desire to pick up a soda can using a mechanical grip. He now believes this to have been a lofty goal, given the weight of a full can of the stuff. " dam, and i give "car battery" as the min acceptable lift
13:56 any36383192 if that guy, and RiffRaff cannot lift a can of beer, they don't have a grasp of the shoulder forces at all
13:57 any36383192 hint: it's measured in "tons"
13:58 Tom_itx rue_house!!! he's in robotics now
14:02 any36383192 https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/water01_main.jpg?w=800 <<== there wasa time when i was called many bad nouns and adjectives for layering pcb like that
14:06 any36383192 http://hackaday.com/2015/06/27/hackaday-prize-entry-saving-water-with-the-vinduino/ <<== no one mentioned that the wire down to the sensor will allow water flow to the sensor before it can get to it thru the ground, i had a progress-stopping issue wtih that when using 5-gallon buckets
14:07 any36383192 starting with a bone-dry bucket of dirt, i could get drain water out the bottom in only 5 seconds, pouring in 5 gallons of water, the dirt was still bone-dry
14:20 any36383192 in Fla , they have hydrophobic dirt, you can spray with water till it's piled up 1/4 inch on the surface, and it just won't sink in, it will sit there and evaporate first
14:26 rue_house I'm off to the landfull
14:27 any36383192 have fun!
14:27 any36383192 wear gloves
16:15 any36383192 how is this for amazingly stupid : Consider the audacity of NASA’s landing of Curiosity on Mars on August 5 at 1030EST. Firing a bullet at another planet, with an SUV-sized rover inside the tip, lowering the rover to the surface with a *crane* which then flys away? All done in under 7 minutes, when it takes light itself 14 minutes to reach Earth.
16:15 any36383192 he thinks NASA launched a Mars misson, and landed the rover on Mars 7 minutes later
17:33 moon home yet rue?
19:05 rue_shop3 hey
19:05 rue_shop3 I"m just off to family supper, bbl
19:09 any36383192 which family willy ou be eating?
19:09 Tom_itx rummaged thru the drug cabinet and found something that made me not care so much
19:10 any36383192 don't tell the doc, he won;t give you any more if you do
19:10 Tom_itx my family supper came wrapped in paper
19:10 Tom_itx they weren't mine to begin with
19:10 any36383192 sub sammiches!
19:10 Tom_itx worse
19:11 any36383192 grilled corn on cob?
19:11 Tom_itx other popular fast f d. can't really call it food
19:12 any36383192 those lil square synthetic hardened pastes eaten to induce diarhea? ... Krystals?
19:25 any36383192 maybe Amazon can quadcopter you a meal from one of their pre-positioning centers
19:29 any36383192 "incoming pizza frisbee, please be at your door in 18 seconds to catch the meal, or be there later prepared to clean up a mess."
19:37 any36383192 but i already gistered, why do i need to register?
19:45 any36383192 so a wireless antenna is really made of wire?
19:45 any36383192 there's no such thing as a wireless antenna, they all have wire in them (flat or round, it's wire)
19:51 _moon wow guys
19:51 any36383192 ?
19:51 _moon ??
19:51 _moon __
21:19 any36383192 Shell's facility will be the largest floating offshore facility ever built: It will measure around 488m long and 74m wide, and when fully ballasted will weigh 600,000 tonnes (roughly six times as much as the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier)
22:42 rue_shop3 I remember that one, it end up costing too much to maintain and wasn't worth the oil it could produce, abandoned, partly cut up, and sunk (to the extent that it could) currently sitting on the seabed rusting away
22:43 any36383192 <blink>
22:43 any36383192 which are yu talking about, rue?
22:44 rue_shop3 that big oil platform
22:45 any36383192 when was it sunk?
22:45 rue_shop3 around 2065 iirc
22:46 rue_shop3 oh wait, its not 2105... sorry, forget I said it
22:46 any36383192 rue, your clock is off, you gotta stop taking unshielded FLT trips
22:46 rue_shop3 where am I?
22:46 rue_shop3 oh Im still me
22:46 rue_shop3 I ahve to hurry up
22:47 rue_shop3 I hate it when people are insisting I finish cooking supper while the boat is sinking
22:48 rue_shop3 I'm scared, I hate deadlines
22:50 rue_shop3 where is my hand...
22:51 any36383192 you have two hands, don't get confused
22:51 rue_house right now I just have a partial finger
22:52 any36383192 open your eyelids
22:52 rue_shop3 this place looks so different in 90 years...
22:54 any36383192 everything made of wood is gone?
22:54 rue_shop3 well, no, the trees that aren't missing are BIG
22:56 rue_shop3 all the remains of the metal are rusted to hell
23:04 any36383192 The average U.S. residential customer pays 12 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh), which means the cost to drive one mile in an EV is somewhat less than 4 cents. By contrast, at 25 miles per $3 gallon of gasoline, those miles cost 12 cents each.
23:05 any36383192 there just isn't enough copper to wire them, and lead or lithium to power that many electric cars
23:05 any36383192 PV projects with utilities in the U.S. Southwest are now coming in under seven cents per kWh for a twenty year period. At that rate, the cost to operate an electric vehicle is 2 cents per mile. Hydropower in Seattle will push you around for the same price.
23:07 any36383192 " Since not everyone can afford to build houses that track the sun, let’s just assume that all residential rooftop arrays will be fixed. " <<== yes, lets.
23:08 any36383192 "The arithmetic is pretty simple. You get about 20 percent more yield by tracking the sun." <<== ok, all done, now about heating effects...?
23:09 any36383192 Critics will say that more structure and added tracking motors and mechanisms will add to the chance of system failure. This, however, is a fallacy. Consider the venerable oil drilling donkey, which cycles once every 7 or 8 seconds.
23:09 any36383192 At this rate (480 cycles per hour, and 11,520 cycles per day), these ancient and effective oil rigs cycle more in a day than a tracking PV array in its 30-year lifetime. (365.25 days x 30 years = 10,957 cycles.)
23:09 any36383192 http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/oil-price/why-buffett-bet-billion-solar
23:11 any36383192 If all the cars sold in the U.S. this year were electric, their battery capacity would be sufficient to power the country for an hour
23:18 any36383192 yes you can have lasagna, i didn't say how much, here is your teaspoon full.
23:46 rue_shop3 yup
23:46 rue_shop3 its just too bad they cost so much to buy
23:52 any36383192 man, thos robot is having bad time of it
23:53 any36383192 she's slowly remembering all the times she's "died" and been reprogrammed, and the feelings she had each time, and how each reprogramming has made her feelings stonger
23:54 any36383192 and the humans are ... something too
23:57 rue_house Ihave like 15 mins left
23:57 rue_house of my weekend
23:59 any36383192 your weekends ends at 10pm?
23:59 rue_shop3 nope, 9:45