#garfield Logs
Jun 07 2015
#garfield Calendar
00:42 rue_house as far as I know yes
00:43 rue_house You have: 100btu
00:43 rue_house You want: kWh
00:43 rue_house * 0.029307107
00:43 rue_house / 34.121416
00:44 katsmeow-afk k
00:44 rue_house / is the reciprical, do ignore it
00:44 tsmeow-afk use
00:49 rue_house hmm I wonder if ASK is different than AM
00:49 katsmeow-afk ?
00:49 tsmeow-afk AM ASKing "h
01:01 rue_house I cast a disc for a disc sander today, didn't work out
01:01 rue_house the casting was warped
01:02 rue_house almost as warped as the disc was thick
01:02 rue_house so by the time one part was flat, the other part had none left
01:02 katsmeow-afk make it thick, and lathe it down?
01:02 rue_house I didn
01:06 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/arduino/Arduino_bare_min_brd.png
01:07 katsmeow-afk where's it's io?
01:07 rue_house is that the one your helping with?
01:07 Tom_itx uh huh
01:07 rue_house so, where IS the io?
01:07 Tom_itx that's what he wanted
01:08 Tom_itx out to rs233 i guess
01:08 rue_house why didn't he just use a USB adapter
01:08 Tom_itx i didn't ask
01:08 rue_house X1 is special...
01:08 Tom_itx yeah
01:08 Tom_itx i dunno what he's doing
01:08 Tom_itx not sure he does
01:08 Tom_itx but that's what he wants
01:08 rue_house high voltage inputs
01:09 rue_house odd
01:09 Tom_itx maybe a cable box?
01:09 Tom_itx i dunno
01:09 rue_house 233 needs no caps?
01:09 Tom_itx just 1
01:09 rue_house decoupling dosn't count
01:10 Tom_itx that's a mega328 btw
01:10 Tom_itx i didn't have a footprint for one
01:11 Tom_itx i'll work on it more tomorrow
01:11 rue_house 12.5V inputs
01:11 rue_house on X1
01:11 Tom_itx but it's routed
01:11 rue_house zippo:/files/programming/c/resistor# ./VIN
01:11 rue_house +V
01:11 rue_house R2
01:11 rue_house VR1
01:11 rue_house R1
01:11 rue_house GND
01:11 rue_house top resistor: 15
01:11 rue_house bottom resistor: 10
01:11 rue_house divider output: 5
01:11 rue_house Vin is :12.500000
01:12 rue_house you know, the documentation in that program sucks
01:12 rue_house it asks for top resistor, and the diagram is labeled R2...
01:14 Tom_itx anyway, i'm done for tonight
01:15 Tom_itx he offered pretty good money for it
01:15 rue_house huh
01:15 Tom_itx not sure why he didn't do it himself
01:15 rue_house I cant tell if those are analog pins, but I'm guessing a battery monitor
01:16 Tom_itx he's been waiting at least a month
01:16 rue_house heh
01:16 Tom_itx finally decided what he wanted
01:16 rue_house ah, one of those
01:16 Tom_itx i had one nearly done and then he started adding stuff
01:16 rue_house I'v given up rs232, I just use the usb modules now
01:17 tsmeow-afk hasto go lay down a w
01:17 katsmeow-afk gnites
01:18 rue_house me 2
01:19 Tom_itx me 3
01:19 Tom_itx gnite
11:58 rue_bed morning
11:58 y45611785
11:59 rue_bed just think of all the time one would have if sleep could be done away with
12:01 any45611785 i agree
12:01 any45611785 on the other paw, dreams can be far better experience than reality
12:05 rue_shop3 things are fun till they are a erquirement
12:26 any45611785 i can't believe it's 4pm
12:27 any45611785 oh, it isn't
12:27 any45611785 at least not here
12:33 any45611785 i shall make a quicky lunch sammich and don appropriate people clothing for going outside
12:33 rue_shop3 hmm foood
13:11 rue_house the side and back door of the house are wide open, the cat comes in, walks to the front door and asks to be let out
13:11 rue_house ... cats
13:12 any45611785 lol
13:30 any45611785 , infection with T. gondii can cause an illness called toxoplasmosis, which can result in miscarriages, fetal development disorders, weeks of flu-like illness, blindness and even death.
13:30 any45611785 ouch : http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cat-parasite-toxoplasma-gondii-linked-to-mental-illness-schizophrenia/
13:32 rue_shop3 yea there is a campaine out there to rid the world of cats and their parasites
13:43 any45611785 getting rid of parasites might be a good thing
13:43 any45611785 i can think of many things about dogs that i'd change
13:43 any45611785 humans too
13:44 any45611785 actually, also giraffes
13:46 rue_shop3 yea I dont hear any noise about getting rid of the humans suseptable to these parasites
13:46 any45611785 exactly
13:47 any45611785 While the parasite is found throughout the world, more than 60 million people in the United States may be infected with the Toxoplasma parasite.
13:47 rue_shop3 that expains the politicians a bit
13:51 e_shop3 puts down the welding torch "gee it takes me a long time to get out of my pajamas on a sun
13:53 any45611785 having a little problem with the name of this parasite : " Toxoplasma ", it's as if no other parasite is toxic
13:55 any45611785 i need a 20ft lightweight pole to rake the outside water tank, it has leaves
13:56 any45611785 depth is down to 6" now, good time to rake it, or even drain it entirely
13:56 any45611785 altho that would kill off the frogs, and they just laid a huge floating mat of eggs
13:57 rue_shop3 3/4" pvc?
13:58 any45611785 i have that, too floppy, won't hold up the rake
13:58 any45611785 Coleman 16' x 48" Power Steel Frame Above-Ground Swimming Pool Set
13:58 any45611785 $296.00
13:58 any45611785 Was $389.0
13:58 any45611785 You save $93.00
13:58 any45611785 Water capacity (90 percent): 19,480 L (5,145 gal)
13:59 any45611785 i wonder how much water i cold hold with $300 of plain tarp
13:59 rue_shop3 I worked out the support distance for 5 mil poly once
13:59 rue_shop3 it was something like 2"
13:59 rue_shop3 for a tank about 3' high
14:03 any45611785 woo, walmart site says they can ship a 15ft pole to me by christmas!
14:04 rue_shop3 :/
14:04 any45611785 no data on if it can break thru the ice when in use at xmas
14:05 any45611785 i tried using a 10ft pole, can't even stir up enough water movement to get the dead squirrels closer, for scooping out
14:06 any45611785 snakes are an issue too, won't be able to see them in that water, so i don't want to go wading
14:08 any45611785 anyhoo, i need to be way afk, doing things irl :-(
14:09 any45611785 sleeping the puter...........
14:09 any45611785 where's that button........ damned toxoplasmoooo......
14:34 y46541023 cusses at the heat out
14:34 any46541023 and upstairs
15:38 any46541023 Los Angeles, he pointed out, spends more than $100 million a year to deal with homelessness. But about $87 million of that is spent on arrests, patrolling skid row and mental health interventions
15:39 any46541023 The cost of providing an apartment and social work for Utah's housing-first clients is about $11,000 per year, while the cost for people living on the streets is $17,000 annually because of hospital visits and jail costs
15:40 any46541023 "A lot of people have commented negatively, saying, 'Why don't you build her a bathroom?'" Summers said. "I'm not creating a new problem," he said in response to the criticism. "Homeless people don't have anywhere to go to the bathroom already."
16:17 y46541023 goes back outside to see if the outside tank is dry yet, and in the s
16:22 Tom_itx rue_shop3, what would you charge to design and layout that board?
16:35 katsmeow-afk it's not drained yet
16:38 tsmeow-afk looks at the brd and bites her to
16:41 katsmeow-afk not asked, not telling
16:41 Tom_itx go ahead and place your thoughts
16:42 katsmeow-afk very top trace on the 233, make it topside, under the chip gets it away from the edge of the pcb
16:42 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/arduino/Arduino_bare_min_brd.png
16:42 Tom_itx final
16:43 katsmeow-afk aren't i looking at it now?
16:43 Tom_itx i didn't know if you refreshed or not
16:43 Tom_itx it's been known to change shape
16:43 tsmeow-afk goes
16:44 Tom_itx it's one of those 'goodnuf' boards
16:44 katsmeow-afk the topside trace on T1 , move it around the jack, saves running it between pins
16:45 katsmeow-afk turn the 10uf TT cap 90 degrees, str8en out it's traces, and move them a lil farther apart
16:46 katsmeow-afk and unless that cap is very low profile, it will be knocked ever time the jack next to it is used
16:47 katsmeow-afk slide over: C5, Q1, C4, C3 ... gives more room to where C3-R3 almost touch
16:48 katsmeow-afk make all the gnd traces fatter
16:49 Tom_itx i did that when those 4 r's were up by the xtal
16:49 Tom_itx they got moved
16:49 Tom_itx i'm not spending too much time on it
16:49 Tom_itx i'd rather be doing something for myself
16:49 katsmeow-afk damn,, take the gnd traces off the reistors and the jack in bottom right corner, move those gnds str8 to C1
16:50 katsmeow-afk that gnd going to C5 will tend to modulate the freq by shicfing the gnd with load noise, or whatebver that jack is there for
16:51 katsmeow-afk ditto the gnd on IC3-6
16:52 katsmeow-afk you can run topside trace from C1 right to IC3
16:53 katsmeow-afk trace near IC-1 , too close
16:53 katsmeow-afk iget the feeling none of my comments is reasonable?
16:54 Tom_itx they all are
16:54 katsmeow-afk why is there a capacitor across the fuse?
16:54 Tom_itx i'm not gonna put more time in it right now
16:55 Tom_itx that's a resettable fuse he wanted the option of one or the other
16:55 katsmeow-afk o
16:56 Tom_itx i was more interested in cost of design rather than design changes
16:56 katsmeow-afk IC3-9 trace can be eliminated, run trace from IC3-6 to IC3-9 instead, saves running a trace tween the legs o the cpu
16:57 katsmeow-afk o
16:57 Tom_itx i could make it alot better i'm sure
16:57 Tom_itx that was rev 1 that passed dru and erc so it went on it's way
16:58 katsmeow-afk compromise the 10k-15k resistors so you buy only one value and get bulk pricing on it
16:58 Tom_itx r divider
16:58 katsmeow-afk k
17:01 katsmeow-afk if you could re-route the lines tween IC3-IC2, squeeze in a single-row header there for a daughterbrd
17:03 katsmeow-afk if you slide the reset-fuse and D1 over tween X1 and the real fuse, you gain a huge area there to relocate half the middle of the brd
17:04 katsmeow-afk slide LED2 over, you get more space
17:04 katsmeow-afk it's do-able
17:06 tsmeow-afk s
17:08 katsmeow-afk if the real fuse and the reset-fuse, only one can be there at the same time, why not use the same space for both?
17:13 katsmeow-afk lil known factoid : knowing how useless it is for me to study and make comments leads me to have an aversion to ever doing anything of this sort for myself
17:14 katsmeow-afk i go back out to see if the tank can be raked yet
17:21 Tom_itx i originally had the reset fuse under it
17:21 Tom_itx decided i had room so i moved it
19:50 katsmeow-afk i are drenched and exhausted
19:51 katsmeow-afk 2.5hrs : drag vac out of cellar to tank/pool , hose and vac tank/pool , drag vac to barn at front door
19:51 katsmeow-afk drag = carry
19:52 katsmeow-afk uphill both ways, and glad i emptied the water out of it
19:53 katsmeow-afk i left the big frog in it, left some tadpoles and some water, removed the snake
19:53 katsmeow-afk tied upwards the pipe from creek, installed roof water diverter
19:54 katsmeow-afk supposed to rain tomorow, but if not, then the frog and 'poles may roast in the sun
20:48 katsmeow-afk i peeled off my tshirt and hunk it up, and it's going drip-drip-drip
20:49 Tom_itx swimmin in the water barrel?
20:50 katsmeow-afk sweating
20:53 katsmeow-afk so if the solar collectors power the "steam" engine first via atmospheric glycol , and it's "waste" heat heats another atmospheric glycol mix, then i have no 400psi pressure on plastic tubing, and no metals in contact with salt, right?
20:54 katsmeow-afk i just need regular condenser coils in the glycol loops
20:55 katsmeow-afk that way i can dump the a/c freon flow in either loop too
20:55 katsmeow-afk and fridge
20:55 katsmeow-afk and any engine coolant loops
20:56 katsmeow-afk so any hot heat goes to the "steam" engine's hot loop, and any warm heat goes into the cooling loop that goes to the watermaker evaporator
20:57 katsmeow-afk please say yea or nay before i get drunk during dinner
20:58 katsmeow-afk i still dunno why i was sore at the start of last week, but i do know why i will be sore tomorrow
20:59 katsmeow-afk Tom, please detail how you go from the brd you showed, to having a finished pcb in your hands
20:59 katsmeow-afk i assume you used eagle
21:00 katsmeow-afk afk to nuke dinner
21:00 Tom_itx generate gerber files and send them off to a board house
21:00 Tom_itx wait the 6 chinese weeks it takes and you have boards in hand
21:01 Tom_itx top copper, bottom copper, top silk, bottom silk, top solder mask, bottom solder mask and drill data
21:01 m_itx thinks that'
21:03 Tom_itx must adhere to the board house design rules which vary some from one to another
21:04 Tom_itx precheck the files with gcpreview
21:05 Tom_itx or /j #hackvana and ask
21:09 katsmeow-afk generate gerber files ?
21:11 katsmeow-afk holycrapthereshumanesinthere
21:11 Tom_itx what did you expect?
21:11 Tom_itx aliens?
21:11 katsmeow-afk small room
21:12 katsmeow-afk Total names in #hackvana : 124
21:13 katsmeow-afk i seldom drink alcoholic beverages, so i need to note that when having one while dehydrated from working ans sweating like a horse, the alcohol all hits at once like a ton of bricks
21:14 katsmeow-afk rather immeadiately
21:14 Tom_itx sleep well?
21:14 katsmeow-afk there is a "make gerber" in eagle?
21:15 Tom_itx yes
21:15 katsmeow-afk i have not sleeped since i woke this morning
21:16 katsmeow-afk just need my body to quit hurting at me
21:17 Tom_itx in the board file: File->CAM Processor
21:18 Tom_itx in the cam processor: File->Open->Job
21:18 Tom_itx then i have several i made for various board houses
21:19 katsmeow-afk unde r Output - Device?
21:19 tsmeow-afk had not noticed that be
21:20 Tom_itx ?
21:20 Tom_itx been years since i had to make one from scratch
21:20 katsmeow-afk File->CAM Processor>Output >Device
21:20 Tom_itx but you pick the layers you want in each gerber file
21:20 katsmeow-afk several gerber selections there
21:21 Tom_itx i don't see that
21:21 katsmeow-afk :-/
21:22 Tom_itx from the board file: File-> CAMProcessor
21:22 Tom_itx that's it
21:22 Tom_itx from the cam processor:
21:22 tsmeow-afk curses and fails to see how eagle h
21:22 Tom_itx file->open->job
21:22 Tom_itx then pick the cam file you want to use
21:22 katsmeow-afk cam file?
21:23 katsmeow-afk they are brd files
21:23 Tom_itx predetermines what layers go where
21:23 katsmeow-afk i opened /examples/tutorial/bus.sch
21:24 katsmeow-afk File->CAM Processor>Output >Device (menu has various gerber flavors in it)
21:24 katsmeow-afk eagle lite 5.7.0
21:24 Tom_itx RS274X is what i use
21:25 Tom_itx except the drill rack
21:26 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/eagle/
21:26 Tom_itx cam files are there
21:26 Tom_itx i use special layers on some so i can put what i want on them
21:27 katsmeow-afk if i send you a eagle file, how much do you charge to cause me to have a pcb in my paws?
21:27 katsmeow-afk because me doing it by myself isn't working
21:27 Tom_itx i could make the gerbers and you could send it to mitch
21:27 Tom_itx he's hackvana
21:28 Tom_itx an aussie doing business in china
21:28 Tom_itx about as cheap and good as any
21:28 Tom_itx dunno if he does one off boards
21:28 Tom_itx i usually get a bunch
21:28 katsmeow-afk so i must explainm yself and such to mitch
21:29 katsmeow-afk how much is a bunch?
21:29 Tom_itx iirc i got 75-100 last time
21:29 Tom_itx but it was a while back
21:29 katsmeow-afk yipes
21:30 Tom_itx laen does one off but you get 3 back anyway
21:30 Tom_itx and they're purple
21:30 Tom_itx no matter what
21:30 katsmeow-afk one-off prototypes color no matter
21:30 katsmeow-afk cheap enough, color no matter
21:31 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/atmega32u4/atmega32U4_3.jpg
21:31 katsmeow-afk wait tho, laen does only .063
21:31 Tom_itx that was before he got his color what he wanted
21:31 Tom_itx what do you want?
21:31 katsmeow-afk i maybe want .020
21:31 katsmeow-afk -ish
21:31 Tom_itx most will be 60
21:31 Tom_itx for prototypes
21:31 Tom_itx you'll pay alot more for thin probably
21:32 katsmeow-afk cannot do .06x for multilayers
21:32 Tom_itx how many layers do you need?
21:32 Tom_itx that link was 2
21:32 Tom_itx 4 will cost more
21:32 katsmeow-afk well, since i know he mandates 1-pwr, 1-gnd, i need at least two more
21:33 Tom_itx i've only done 2
21:33 Tom_itx would hesitate to do 4 for somebody cause i haven't
21:33 katsmeow-afk digital over 100Mhz must be groundplaned
21:34 katsmeow-afk did you lay out http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/atmega32u4/atmega32U4_3.jpg
21:35 Tom_itx i did all my boards
21:35 katsmeow-afk i did not klnow of this board
21:36 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/atmega32u4/atmega32u4_1.jpg
21:37 katsmeow-afk yeow that's tight
21:37 katsmeow-afk why did you do that board?
21:38 Tom_itx for the hell of it
21:38 katsmeow-afk oh
21:38 Tom_itx it's got adc for one
21:38 Tom_itx it's usb
21:38 Tom_itx i never use it
21:38 tsmeow-afk
21:38 Tom_itx gonna go.
21:38 katsmeow-afk not raining hee
21:38 katsmeow-afk here
21:39 Tom_itx arm is feeling the pain from leaning over typing
21:39 tsmeow-afk is s
21:39 katsmeow-afk put keybd on shelf *over* the monitor?
22:01 katsmeow-afk how to know if you are drunk : you over-enunciate when talking to yourself, and speak loudly, to make sure you can hear and understand what you are saying to yourself
22:02 katsmeow-afk this may frighten some pets
22:02 katsmeow-afk i dunno, i have no pets
22:03 katsmeow-afk but, only the bottoms of my feets hurt now
22:40 katsmeow-afk "I had made the assumption that when I use the word "law" in a forum about Law and Politics commenting to a post titled "Consent of the Governed" people would understand that I am not talking about the Laws of Thermodynamics. I'm beginning to see I made a faulty assumption."
22:43 katsmeow-afk http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/industrial-robots/universal-robots-ur3-robotic-arm
22:43 katsmeow-afk htf : Universal Robots has been expanding at a rapid pace, selling 2000 robots last year and planning to sell 4000 this year, with expected revenue of $100 million.
22:44 katsmeow-afk hf : The UR3 will sell for US $23,000 in the United States. (The UR5 costs $35,000, and the UR10, $45,000).
22:52 katsmeow-afk Prototype Platform Perceives Pristine Peppers, Precisely Picks a Perfect Peck
22:52 katsmeow-afk Prefer a person picking your peppers? Psh. Processes performed by people are past, we promise17 Jul 2014
22:54 rue_house "your tea tastes funny" "I had to sweeten it with jelly beans...
22:55 katsmeow-afk lol
22:55 katsmeow-afk that's why it's lumpy too
22:55 rue_house I was going to build one of those, but I made an error and bought all the same size Ts
22:55 katsmeow-afk can't they be the same size?
22:56 rue_house I'm the unthrilled owner of a box of 25 3" Ts
22:56 rue_house they are also biased T's
22:56 katsmeow-afk plastic?
22:56 rue_house they aren't bilateral
22:56 rue_house yup, pvc
22:57 tsmeow-afk is without words, so ponders eating some pickle re
23:02 katsmeow-afk ttaaarrrttt
23:02 tsmeow-afk gets geese b
23:06 rue_house "I think your plant needs a bigger pot" "NEED A BIGGER POT PLANT. GOT IT."
23:07 katsmeow-afk dyslexic much?
23:09 katsmeow-afk zhanx was here?
23:11 katsmeow-afk "you can't do that here" "yes i can!, haven't you been watching??"
23:32 katsmeow-afk he's.bak !
23:32 zhanx Who?
23:32 katsmeow-afk ye!
23:32 zhanx Lo and behold
23:33 katsmeow-afk http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/industrial-robots/universal-robots-ur3-robotic-arm
23:34 tsmeow-afk challenges them to make sweet tea using jelly b
23:34 zhanx I can do that
23:35 katsmeow-afk but the robotic arm ?
23:35 zhanx Worked all weekend
23:35 zhanx That I could do soon
23:36 zhanx My small business it starting to take off
23:36 tsmeow-afk drained, vac'd the outside pool/tank, and was exhausted and sore, now is merely inebri
23:37 zhanx Nice I have a beer, took the kid out in the woods caught crawfish
23:37 katsmeow-afk that's what tis relish is missing : salmon
23:38 zhanx Yummy, killed two porcupines after the dog got into them (not my dog since I don't have one)
23:38 katsmeow-afk what does one do with dead porcupines?
23:39 katsmeow-afk sewing needles?
23:39 zhanx Well, after I spent two hours on the dog (which is fine now) I roasted them
23:40 katsmeow-afk taste like chicken?
23:40 zhanx Yes it was a redneck Saturday night, racoon
23:41 tsmeow-afk debates if to eat a sammich after having a bowl of soup for di
23:42 katsmeow-afk tis 11:20pm
23:42 zhanx There
23:43 katsmeow-afk i ate snake before, after pouring off the oil, but wouldn't touch pussum
23:43 katsmeow-afk fried snake
23:44 katsmeow-afk it had killed a dog, couldn't eat it, the dog was bing a pita asshole barking at the snake for hours, but it could have killed someone human, so i killed and ate it
23:44 zhanx I eat comes up
23:45 zhanx Error what I eat is what ever comes up
23:45 katsmeow-afk ewww
23:45 katsmeow-afk wanna rephrase again?
23:45 zhanx I eat whatever I find?
23:45 katsmeow-afk ok
23:46 katsmeow-afk i felt the same way about fish, but seems some fish in the carrib has parasites that can do you in, even if well cooked
23:48 tsmeow-afk ponders someone buying a 430vdc@1amp regulated
23:49 katsmeow-afk adjustable, various hardware taps
23:49 zhanx Nice
23:49 zhanx I get to put up a windmill Wednesday
23:49 katsmeow-afk vac tube test supply?
23:50 katsmeow-afk wow, 3 days from getting the tower, you got a windmill already
23:50 zhanx Parts and work