#garfield Logs

May 28 2015

00:02 katsmeow-afk but it's still a *measured* 320lbs per inch of 1/8 plate, or 19,200 lbs spread across the one upper clamp bar
00:03 katsmeow-afk and i'd like to be able to bend 3/16 or 1/4 too
00:03 katsmeow-afk for the lil trailer, i had to bend the tongue hinges hot
00:04 katsmeow-afk 20,000 lbs = 10 tons
00:05 katsmeow-afk same as hanging 2 tons on the upper roller each foot, as it's turning
00:10 katsmeow-afk 4 attachment points at the end for the upper roller assy, a hinge at each end, and a position allthread, each attachment point holding down 5000 lbs
01:26 rue_house I'm sorry, but today turned my brain to fuild enough goo that I couldn't work out a simple switching circuit
01:26 rue_house I'm having trouble picturing your design
02:00 any17149786 ... failed: Network is unreachable.
02:02 any17149786 http://image.thefabricator.com/a/plate-rolls-keep-rolling-heavier-plate-plate-rolling-prebend-operation.jpg
02:04 any17149786 http://www.megafab.com/images/Advantages4.gif , but without the center roller on the bottom
02:04 any17149786 imagine the force vectors on the 3 remaining rollers
02:05 rue_house wholy geez
02:05 any17149786 with affordable rollers, affordable bearings to hold them in place, and knowing that making them smaller means less foot-lbs is needed to spin the rollers,
02:06 any17149786 i used 1.25 inch rollers, which means they will bend is i roll anything thicker and stronger than aluminum foil
02:07 any17149786 so, i *can* get plate steel cheap, if i mount cheap bearings bought as a good deal on the edge of cheap plate, i can put them where they keep the skinny rollers from bending to
02:07 any17149786 that's the lan
02:07 any17149786 plan
02:07 rue_house for my pipe bender I'm using 4 rollers
02:07 rue_house oo
02:08 rue_house o o
02:08 rue_house er, like that
02:08 any17149786 why 2 on top?
02:08 rue_house it brings down the kink capability
02:08 rue_house if you were bending a small pipe, you would use both thumbs, right?
02:09 any17149786 yeas, to get leverage on the bending coil
02:10 any17149786 http://www.mech-tech.co.za/upload/images/tn_ManualPlateRoll.jpg <<== way low capacity, but still pricey as heck, even hand operated
02:10 rue_house if it were 1/4" copper pipe, you would do it to distribute the bending force
02:11 any17149786 or use a much larger top roller
02:11 any17149786 up to the size of the first pic, with the guy sitting on the thing
02:12 rue_house I'm making rings that are up to 10' across
02:12 rue_house so my bend is more gradual than his
02:13 any17149786 like http://www.cessco.ca/main_images/PLATE/Rolls2.jpg ?
02:13 rue_house hmm
02:13 rue_house but I'm bending thin pipe....
02:14 any17149786 most bending operations make multiple passes, not making the final radius in the first pass
02:14 rue_house I wonder how they get that out of there
02:14 any17149786 thin pipe = good guides and formed rollers, but same procedures
02:15 rue_house hahah, the pinch zone warning side on the bottom step
02:15 any17149786 disengage one end, it drops into the floor, they slide it off the end
02:15 any17149786 some top rollers hook, and the hook drops manually
02:16 rue_house http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1030340.jpg
02:17 any17149786 wth, you have a lathe, why do that in a drill ?!
02:17 rue_house it was before
02:17 any17149786 oh
02:17 rue_house I didn't take a pic of the lost foam casting tho...
02:21 any17149786 it would be nice to be able to back the truck up to a place with appropriate heavy tools, and borrow them at nite when no one is around, use the lathe, brake, shear, cnc plasma cutter, bandsaw, roller, etc etc etc
02:23 any17149786 i have surprised the guys at the steel place tho
02:24 any17149786 with the perfectly round 4ft H beam , the perfectly symetrical waterheater pontoon bow, the lil trailer, the big trailer, the pics of the bridge crane online, etc
02:27 any17149786 they looked at the 4ft dia boat rib, and could not figure out how i did it, because you cannot buy a H beam and bend it like that
02:27 any17149786 and the only way to have made it more perfectly round would have been to lathe it
02:28 any17149786 but i was inside +/- .010 , i'll bet that
02:29 any17149786 i just haveto spend the time figuring ways that, by default, will give me the results i want, and cannot give me bad results
02:34 any17149786 http://designerthinking.com/images/hullribform/IMG_0017.jpg <<== adjusted for 4ft, could have adjusted for almost anything
02:34 any17149786 http://designerthinking.com/images/hullribform/IMG_0019.jpg <<== precision made holder, cannot have too many clamps
02:41 any17149786 http://designerthinking.com/images/hullribform/DSCF6612m.jpg <<== rolling a 3ft rib
02:42 any17149786 http://designerthinking.com/images/hullribform/DSCF6624m.jpg <<== 3ft dia piece in the new 3ft holders on the forming jig (same jig as used for 4ft, using the outer holders)
02:42 any17149786 (still uploading)
02:43 any17149786 http://designerthinking.com/images/hullribform/first_3ft_rib_rolling.avi <<== movie of rolling occuring
02:44 any17149786 note the first 4 or 6 inches is never bent correctly, if it's bent at all, but it can be run thru from the backside and is only slightly off,,, but i just ran an extra foot, fitted up, clamped, and sawed off that section
02:45 any17149786 damn slow upload speed on this isp
02:45 any17149786 anything to throttle and eventually kill web innovation and use
02:47 any17149786 on that form-holder, i have made 4ft, 4.5ft, and 3ft rings
02:47 any17149786 the 3 winches that make up the roller, the center one is adjustable for making different diameters
02:49 any17149786 ...
02:57 any17149786 upload 53% done
03:01 any17149786 well, rue seems to have vanished 40 minutes ago, i guess i willtoo :-/
17:18 any37033546 so if i eat a pb&j sammich, i may be out cold for an hour, or 2 even,
17:19 any37033546 regardless of how mych caffine, red pepper, black pepper, salt, etc etc i have eaten
17:19 any37033546 and any sleeping pill takes 12 hrs to clear from my system
17:20 any37033546 ergo, if i wanna sleep, i should eat the sleeping pill at 6pm (to be clear by sunup), and eat a pb&j sammich at 8pm, correct?
19:28 rue_house im confused
19:31 any37033546 that's slightly normal, if it isn't widespread
19:34 rue_bed attack of the pudding brains
19:36 any37033546 Tom still talks to you, and is widely respected, maybe he can be of assistance
20:28 any37033546 .
20:28 any37033546 over to you...
20:29 any37033546 "Mr Robot" tv pilot wasn't *bad*, but it is a train wreck of possibly real paranoia and intrigue
20:30 any37033546 complete with computer buzzwords, an IT dept, a gay guy, street drugs, sex, money spent to buy influence, etc
20:40 any37033546 ...
20:44 any37033546 i feel so alone
20:44 Tom_itx i feel so tired
20:44 Tom_itx and am busy shuffling papers atm
20:44 NotWorthCr4p o
20:54 tWorthCr4p ponders oiling some wood to use as bandsaw blade guide bl
20:56 Tom_itx hmm hardwood should work
20:56 tWorthCr4p nods,,
20:57 Tom_itx hedgewood is quite hard
20:57 Tom_itx you may not have that around there
20:57 katsmeow i could keep the bearings that twist it, and add the wood blocks below, close to the work
20:57 Tom_itx was planted here to save the wheatfields from blowing away
20:58 katsmeow i don't know "hedgewood", but i'd assume it's any wood from the hedges?
20:59 Tom_itx yellow
20:59 katsmeow self-peeling papery bark?
20:59 Tom_itx iirc covered wagon wheel hubs may have been made from them
20:59 katsmeow small flowers?
21:00 katsmeow oh,, what i was thinking doesn't grow big enough to make wheel hubs
21:00 Tom_itx http://www.ddgnevada.com/wood/osage/images/p.JPG
21:00 katsmeow oh, osage
21:00 katsmeow nope, have none
21:01 Tom_itx http://dnr.state.il.us/education/ExoticSpecies/images/Osage-Orange.jpg
21:01 katsmeow i have oak tho, as in free
21:01 Tom_itx spread those around and bugs don't like them
21:01 katsmeow you eat those?
21:01 Tom_itx oh hell no
21:01 katsmeow oh
21:02 Tom_itx they're about the size of large grapefruit though
21:02 Tom_itx they must be good for something but i dunno what
21:02 katsmeow mullberry : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maclura_pomifera
21:03 Tom_itx i'm exhausted and may not last long here
21:05 tsmeow hands Tom a soothing beve
21:06 katsmeow there is a tree i have here that has thorns, but i don't know it's name, and i don't recall it being yellow inside
21:06 Tom_itx long bean pods?
21:07 katsmeow i don't recall, i have not been close to it in many years because of the gods
21:07 katsmeow there's 2 or 3 out there
21:07 Tom_itx http://www.ehow.com/info_8137356_types-trees-thorns.html
21:08 katsmeow Palmer and Fowler's Fieldbook of Natural History 2nd edition, rates Osage orange wood has being 2.5 times as hard as white oak (Quercus alba) and having twice the tensile strength. <<== yeow
21:09 Tom_itx i mentioned i thought they used it for wagon wheel hubs
21:09 katsmeow i see why
21:11 katsmeow maybe i can sneak out onto my property and take a pic of one of the trees
21:12 katsmeow there's an odd bamboo-like stalk thing that closely resembles bamboo, but has a ring of torns at each node in the stalk, and ants like to live in it
21:12 katsmeow it doesn't grow well
21:12 katsmeow i have some here, and i have seen it in Georgia too
21:13 katsmeow torns= torns
21:13 katsmeow wth
21:13 katsmeow torns= thorns
21:21 Tom_itx gnite
21:21 katsmeow gnites
21:23 tsmeow growls as she notes something tween her and Germany is caching the weather r
22:18 tsmeow-afk munches a couple o' ta
22:47 zhanx Evening
22:47 katsmeow-afk mou
22:47 zhanx My kid is a chip off the block, feels no pain which is bad
22:48 zhanx Monster
22:49 katsmeow-afk my brother purported to be that way, it's a matter of willpower, i broke him one day
22:50 zhanx No he is me like high pain tolerance
22:50 katsmeow-afk hmm, ok
22:51 zhanx You know I am weird physically
22:51 katsmeow-afk yeas
22:52 katsmeow-afk just trying to imagine the diminished pain sensitivity
22:52 zhanx Heck my doc is confuse on why I say my back hurts and I can walk. With 5 crushed vertebrae he said I should be in a wheelchair
22:52 katsmeow-afk i agree
22:53 zhanx Kat, can't describe it, besides ouch, it kind of hurts
22:53 katsmeow-afk i have one that's squashed so flat, it's just a thin black (dead) line on the mri
22:53 katsmeow-afk one badly bulging, one minorly bulging
22:54 zhanx Guess one of mind is tilted and might cut a nerve
22:54 zhanx Oh on a good note I discovered rtos for Uc's today
22:55 katsmeow-afk i think that top dead one was actually caused as a teen, when i went over a bush, had to tuck and roll mid-jump, and landed from 7ft up slidingly downt he hill onmy upper back
22:55 zhanx I was like awesome
22:55 katsmeow-afk which rtos? CBM Basic?
22:55 zhanx Rtos for the avr 328p
22:55 katsmeow-afk (altho technically, the Basic eprom is't the actual hardware OS)
22:55 zhanx Just a sec I will get a link
22:56 katsmeow-afk k
22:56 zhanx http://www.femtoos.org
22:57 tsmeow-afk mangles it so it's fem-soem
22:57 zhanx Something like that
22:58 zhanx I think I can software emulate a clock
22:59 zhanx Instead of a chip due to hard wiring it
22:59 katsmeow-afk that's good if you can remoetle set the clock during post
22:59 katsmeow-afk i keep wishing the VIC and C64 had hardware clocks
22:59 zhanx Main control is a beaglebone black
23:00 zhanx Hopefully tomorrow I can start my protocol
23:00 tsmeow-afk wishes she were there to "help" and l
23:01 zhanx I am learning at the same time fyi
23:01 tsmeow-afk
23:01 zhanx Stopped drinking so much thanks to meds my memory came back
23:02 katsmeow-afk i can tell yu storrrries about that
23:02 zhanx Got 18 k of code today that I am tossing tomorrow
23:02 katsmeow-afk sometimes i lok back ad wonder how i am still alive, and how i got a house built
23:04 zhanx Hell, I survived a combat zone some how
23:04 katsmeow-afk by being so numbed by alcohol you didn't know if the vehicle you were driving was moving or ot?
23:05 katsmeow-afk heck, i hit the brakes, and got out to check!
23:05 katsmeow-afk i was burying waterline, and was in so much pain i did 4 hrs of work and could not get out of bed to 2 days
23:06 zhanx All of the above
23:07 katsmeow-afk Jack Daniles is so wrectedly bad, but when it stops buring your tongue and throat, that's how you can tell it's working
23:07 katsmeow-afk wretchedly
23:07 zhanx Hell we all drank then
23:08 katsmeow-afk i wonder the percent of people the mil turns into drug addicts
23:08 zhanx 22
23:08 katsmeow-afk my sister bcame an alcoholic, over a gallon of rum , plus other stuff, per week
23:08 katsmeow-afk my brother was a long-tme pothead, and shrooms and etc
23:09 katsmeow-afk neither went into combat
23:09 katsmeow-afk my stepfather say combat
23:10 zhanx My ptsd counselor is like your drink so little compared to others, I was like 2 kids hello
23:10 katsmeow-afk heh
23:10 katsmeow-afk but sad reason to have 2 kids
23:10 katsmeow-afk ops
23:10 zhanx No, I lo e my boys
23:10 katsmeow-afk aarrrgg
23:10 zhanx Love,
23:10 katsmeow-afk i misread it
23:11 katsmeow-afk sorry
23:11 zhanx Tis ok
23:11 katsmeow-afk my stepfather often got drunk on his way home
23:11 zhanx Won't drink and drive
23:12 tsmeow-afk
23:12 zhanx Least I am not a moron
23:13 tsmeow-afk nods some
23:14 katsmeow-afk Most of the demo's run directly on the STK500/ <<== i has a STK500
23:14 zhanx Grew up with that don't need my kids too
23:14 zhanx Awesome
23:15 zhanx I got a st k500 also somewhere
23:16 zhanx Where or where is Rue?
23:16 katsmeow-afk my brother has a herd, he is also divorced, but me and 2 sisters have no ids, because of our childhood
23:17 zhanx I can understand that
23:17 katsmeow-afk he was having jello brains ~7pm
23:17 zhanx Is it bad I want to use a video game interface to make my home controllers?
23:18 katsmeow-afk no, i have often thought that pointing to a light and announcing it on/off/dimm would be nice
23:18 zhanx If it works you can do that
23:19 zhanx Heck I got 36 k I good code so far and I am tossing it all
23:19 katsmeow-afk drat, haveto restart FF
23:19 zhanx K
23:19 katsmeow-afk why are yu tossing it?
23:19 zhanx Switching to rtos
23:20 katsmeow-afk ah
23:20 katsmeow-afk i am sure the atmega is different, but multitasking a C64 can make it get really slow
23:20 katsmeow-afk course, the avr is 20mhz, and the 6510 is one mhz
23:21 zhanx Yep and I did direct calls etc
23:21 zhanx So rewrite all ready
23:22 zhanx Least I kno the base now
23:22 tsmeow-afk nods slowly, as the sleep drugs and pills kic
23:23 zhanx Go to bed
23:23 katsmeow-afk yes sir
23:23 katsmeow-afk gnites
23:24 zhanx Nite