#garfield Logs

Apr 25 2015

00:01 Tom_itx same pins but slightly shaped different
00:02 katsmeow-afk i dunno, but i am not surprised
00:03 Tom_itx that may be what the external connectors are on the sata adapter i got on ebay
00:03 Tom_itx internal are regular but external are different
00:06 Tom_itx http://www.ebay.com/itm/331201230455?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
00:06 rue_shop3 I have created a cat loop
00:06 rue_shop3 I have a door that can be entered, and a window that can be exited
00:06 rue_shop3 AND I just accelerated it by introducing a second cat
00:06 rue_shop3 the second cat runs at a 180 degree lag to the first
00:07 rue_shop3 as the first comes in the door, it aproaches the second, jokeying for postiion and causing it to jumpout prematurely
00:07 tsmeow-afk tries to form an oscillator of
00:07 rue_shop3 the first cat takes the second cats place as a status symbol
00:07 rue_shop3 in the meantime, the first cat reenteres the door
00:08 rue_shop3 er, second
00:08 rue_shop3 oh I dont know which end is which of this loop
00:08 rue_shop3 this also seems to be a means to pump air thru the shop
00:09 katsmeow-afk aircatditioning
00:09 rue_shop3 :)
00:09 rue_shop3 18Ah, lasted 6600 seconds at 5A
00:09 katsmeow-afk so it's a 10AHr
00:10 rue_shop3 so its a bit better than 12Ah?
00:10 katsmeow-afk better at what?
00:10 rue_shop3 somewhere in there
00:10 rue_shop3 so, ok, not terrible
00:14 rue_shop3 ok, the iMPORTANT bit Iw as testing, was that the what-hour counter says I got
00:14 rue_shop3 Initializing device
00:14 rue_shop3 Opening serial port...
00:14 rue_shop3 Initializing IO ports...
00:14 rue_shop3 Checking initial voltage
00:14 rue_shop3 Initial voltage is 12.79
00:14 rue_shop3 Start voltage ok
00:14 rue_shop3 10.48V 5.00A 76.29Wh \
00:14 rue_shop3 76Wh out of it
00:14 rue_shop3 at 5A rate
00:18 rue_shop3 I made a cool toy :)
00:18 katsmeow-afk yeas?
00:21 rue_shop3 I wonder how much current I'd have to put thru a 7Ah SLA battery to in-place melt and reform the plates
00:22 rue_shop3 without the resulting heat causing any other damage
00:22 katsmeow-afk umm, i bet you cannot melt the plates in the water in the battery
00:22 rue_shop3 :)
00:22 rue_shop3 there's no water *in* the plates
00:22 rue_shop3 might lose a little *on* the plates
00:22 katsmeow-afk i'd be real interested in diy battery rebuilding tho, but it's highly potentially neurotoxic because of the amount of lead and lead compounds
00:23 rue_shop3 tho I suppose the rapid expansion might cuase some damage of its own
00:23 rue_shop3 I got a UPS from the hospital
00:23 rue_shop3 4x 7Ah batteries
00:23 rue_shop3 not one with more than 1.2 volts
00:23 katsmeow-afk you'd need to disassemble it in a cleanroom, rebuild it in the same room, and reassemple in that room, all while not touching it, and preferaable not being int hat room yourself, ever
00:23 rue_shop3 checked them out
00:23 rue_shop3 they are all dry
00:23 rue_shop3 so I'v added water to them and am waiting
00:24 rue_shop3 waiting/chargine
00:24 rue_shop3 g
00:24 katsmeow-afk there was a battery recycler in Leeds, you could periodically taste the metal in the air in Pell City, check your google maps
00:24 katsmeow-afk the site in Leeds was declared an emergnecy superfund site
00:26 rue_shop3 superfund?
00:28 katsmeow-afk EPA cleanup
01:36 katsmeow-afk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
03:34 katsmeow-afk .
03:36 katsmeow-afk thundery weather : http://radblast.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/radar/WUNIDS_map?station=BMX&brand=wui&num=1&delay=15&type=N0R&frame=0&scale=1.000&noclutter=1&lat=33.59872055&lon=-86.27986145&label=Pell+City%2C+AL&showstorms=0&map.x=400&map.y=240&centerx=400&centery=240&transx=0&transy=0&showlabels=0&severe=0&rainsnow=1&lightning=1&smooth=0
15:54 y71423153 recommends http://www.ebay.com/itm/271764697797
17:03 m_itx has a capacatance te
17:03 m_itx as well as a capacitance te
17:21 any71423153 that one measures to 20,000 ufd
17:23 any71423153 i was wondering why i kept hearing thunder :
17:23 any71423153 http://radblast.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/radar/WUNIDS_map?station=BMX&brand=wui&num=1&delay=15&type=N0R&frame=0&scale=1.000&noclutter=1&lat=33.59872055&lon=-86.27986145&label=Pell+City%2C+AL&showstorms=0&map.x=400&map.y=240&centerx=400&centery=240&transx=0&transy=0&showlabels=0&severe=0&rainsnow=1&lightning=1&smooth=0
17:23 any71423153 i gotta go dunk 300 gallons outa he water tank :-/
17:23 any71423153 erghh
19:03 any71423153 earthquake in Nepal that has claimed more than 1300 lives.
19:03 any71423153 Since the 7.8-magnitude earthquake hit on Saturday,
19:05 any71423153 Date:
19:05 any71423153 April 23, 2015
19:05 any71423153 Source:
19:05 any71423153 Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center
19:05 any71423153 Summary:
19:05 any71423153 Air pollution, even at moderate levels, has long been recognized as a factor in raising the risk of stroke. A new study suggests that long-term exposure can cause damage to brain structures and impair cognitive function in middle-aged and older adults.
19:05 any71423153 well, duh
19:06 any71423153 it also kills newborns and causes mental retardation
19:06 any71423153 prolonged exposure to ambient fine particulate matter, particles with a diameter of 2.5 millionth of a meter, referred to as PM2.5. These particles come from a variety of sources, including power plants, factories, trucks and automobiles and the burning of wood.
19:08 any71423153 Date:
19:08 any71423153 March 3, 2015
19:08 any71423153 Source:
19:08 any71423153 PLOS
19:08 any71423153 Summary:
19:08 any71423153 Attendance at schools exposed to high levels of traffic-related air pollution is linked to slower cognitive development among 7- to 10-year-old children in Barcelona, according to a new study.
19:09 any71423153 yet you cannot get the assholes to stop buring trash
19:10 any71423153 Date:
19:10 any71423153 September 8, 2014
19:10 any71423153 Source:
19:10 any71423153 Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine
19:10 any71423153 Summary:
19:10 any71423153 Higher exposure to one measure of traffic-related air pollution is associated with higher levels of the obesity-related hormone leptin in older adults, reports a study. The results showed a significant association between exposure to black carbon -- a measure of fine-particle air pollution from traffic sources -- and leptin levels.
20:17 any71423153 the new cap tester won't measure the 29,000u 75v caps :-/
20:20 any71423153 or the 100,000ufd caps
20:21 any71423153 ok, 2 of the 29,000 in series is 15,000
20:38 any71423153 ok, 5 12v batteries, makes 10.6v each when discharged, or 53v total, and 53v run thru a 3phase x3 booster = 160v, and 160v is the peak of 115vac sine waves
20:46 any71423153 5 x 14v = 70v , so can be charged by switcher down from 120vac
20:47 any71423153 break the 120vac peak of 160vdc in half, to 80v, then charging 70v is even easier
20:48 any71423153 formany reasons, the system cannot charge and discharge at same time
20:49 any71423153 and the batery pack must be floating in both cases
20:49 any71423153 but other than the final 160v or the input 160v, all the voltages are within TIPxxx ranges for extra cheapness
20:52 any71423153 5 batteries at 110Whh each, is 550Whr , technically best at 5.5amp max for 20 hrs, x3 on the volts if /3 on the current, or 1.8 amps for 20 hrs of 120vac ,,, that *sucks*
20:52 any71423153 my math must be bad somewhere
21:02 any71423153 5 batteries at 110Whh each, is 550Whr, 550Whr / 120v = 4.6Ahr
21:03 any71423153 4.6Ahr / 20 hrs = 0.23 amps per hour for 20 hrs
21:04 any71423153 I CANNOT MAKE THE BATTERIES PUT OUT MORE POWER THAN I PUT INTO THEM
21:04 any71423153 aarrggg
21:06 any71423153 0.23 amps x 120v x 20hrs = 550Whr , or 110Whr per battery, which is what they are rated for,, what is so wrong with this?!?
21:06 y71423153 looks at
21:09 any71423153 550Whr = 4.5amps for an hr at 120vac , and that's real hard on the batteries to kill them in an hr
21:10 any71423153 900w nukebox = 7.5amps , at 550Whrs = 30 minutes at best with brand new fully charged batteries
21:29 any71423153 550Whr = 27watts per hr for 20 hrs
22:04 rue_shop3 do you know how a eng becoems a peng?
22:13 any71423153 pee on it?
22:14 rue_shop3 :/
22:14 any71423153 i dunno
22:23 e_shop3 whispers "engin
22:23 rue_shop3 I was going to write down projects that I want to work on
22:23 rue_shop3 seems I did that once a few years ago
22:23 m_itx wonders what rue_shop3 has been up to la
22:23 rue_shop3 so I updated the list
22:24 rue_shop3 seems one of my projects was to move the table saw to the deck
22:24 rue_shop3 OOOoooOO
22:24 rue_shop3 I was cleaning up the shop today
22:24 rue_shop3 so, now I cant move
22:25 rue_shop3 but I got rid of 3 boxes of stuff
22:25 katsmeow-afk why would you put the saw outside? to annoy the enighbors?
22:25 rue_shop3 so the garbage is full
22:25 rue_shop3 its outside right now cause its got no home
22:25 rue_shop3 it lives under a tarp
22:25 katsmeow-afk hang it from the ceiling
22:25 Tom_itx it will still rust
22:25 katsmeow-afk it will still be stolen
22:25 rue_shop3 its heavily oiled down
22:26 rue_shop3 and its about a 1960 or so table saw
22:26 rue_shop3 so its already got a good haze of rust
22:26 rue_shop3 I'm told its from the first woodwork shop there was in the next town over
22:27 rue_shop3 the one that used to be the telephone exchange and now is a different restraunt every month
22:27 Tom_itx you get a variety for lunch then ehh?
22:27 rue_shop3 I dont eat there
22:28 rue_shop3 I think the problem is that nobody does
22:28 Tom_itx heh probably so
22:28 rue_shop3 clothing stores and restraunts turn over at an amazing rate over here
22:28 rue_shop3 I dont know why people keep thinking a high end shoe shop will succeed
22:29 rue_shop3 the light table has no home either
22:29 katsmeow-afk there's a similar restaurant in town here, corner of the courthouse block, there's no parking at all
22:29 Tom_itx we've got malls dying out here as well
22:29 rue_shop3 i need to find a place for it
22:29 katsmeow-afk hang it from the ciling
22:29 rue_shop3 oh its always been like that here
22:30 rue_shop3 katsmeow-afk, at this rate, I'll HAVE to wear a hardhat in the shop
22:30 Tom_itx i need to get back on my cnc again and put it back together
22:30 katsmeow-afk up tween the rafters, not down whee it's in the way
22:31 rue_shop3 shop hasnt rafters
22:31 Tom_itx haven't had much time though
22:31 rue_shop3 flat roof, remember?
22:31 Tom_itx yeah no overhead storage
22:31 Tom_itx i bet you're sorry about that now
22:31 rue_shop3 Tom_itx, I need to sit down and write a cam program so I can use my existing machine and motivate to build a new one
22:31 katsmeow-afk oh, no open truss beams?
22:31 rue_shop3 nope all closed up
22:32 rue_shop3 its good tho, I can see over the shop from the back yard
22:32 Tom_itx rue_shop3 why do you need to write a cam program?
22:32 rue_shop3 there are no cam program for linux
22:32 Tom_itx so?
22:32 Tom_itx keep a box with win on it
22:32 rue_shop3 I will NOT run windows
22:32 rue_shop3 esp just for a cam program
22:32 Tom_itx then you will suffer for it
22:32 rue_shop3 no, I'll just write one
22:33 rue_shop3 and the shop has a new problem
22:33 rue_shop3 out of space to park robots
22:33 rue_shop3 I'm literally jamming up with robots
22:34 Tom_itx sweep some out the door
22:34 katsmeow-afk have them sweep each other out the door
22:34 rue_shop3 the truck is full of printers
22:35 rue_shop3 the deck is prettymuch full of printers
22:35 katsmeow-afk there's another 900 lbs of cable boxes at recycler, i declined to get them
22:35 rue_shop3 they are prolly the next model you know
22:35 rue_shop3 better components
22:35 katsmeow-afk same, i did look
22:35 rue_shop3 hehe
22:37 e_shop3 mentally draws space on a table for the lightbox and starts clearin
22:37 rue_shop3 .... or should it go over there
22:37 rue_shop3 ...
22:38 rue_shop3 what disciplin is a lightbox, electronics, mechanics, or programming
22:38 katsmeow-afk yeas
22:38 rue_shop3 hmm
22:38 Tom_itx i need to adjust the fan on this thing
22:38 e_shop3 hands tom a ma
22:38 Tom_itx i don't think it's slowing wehen it should
22:39 rue_shop3 oh, opposite problem
22:39 e_shop3 hands tom an air
22:39 Tom_itx yeah it runs plenty cool
22:39 katsmeow-afk i hoped to get the steel cut and welded for mounting the axle to the new trailer today, but i combined the tongue mount with it, so some of it ti clamped up and ready to weld first thing tomorrow
22:39 Tom_itx i think i could even get by without it
22:40 Tom_itx i think i'll have another look at the bios settings...
22:40 katsmeow-afk put a diy fan controller on it, one that goes down to "off" ?
22:41 katsmeow-afk <blink>
22:42 Tom_L let's see if level 5 makes a difference...
22:44 Tom_L yay that helped
22:44 Tom_L was set to level 9
22:44 Tom_L whaever that means
22:44 tsmeow-afk sets ot a root beer fo
22:44 Tom_L target temp is set to lowest value
22:44 katsmeow-afk set it higher
22:44 Tom_L it's been staying well below that
22:44 e_shop3 puts on some
22:45 Tom_L so i think i'll kick the level 5 down some more
22:45 katsmeow-afk rue see my new capacitor measurer?
22:45 Tom_L went from ~5k to ~3k
22:45 Tom_L rpm
22:45 Tom_L temps don't seem to be rising
22:46 katsmeow-afk i can finally measure those 29,000 ufd caps
22:46 Tom_L did you get that meter?
22:46 katsmeow-afk yeas, thet is why i recommended it
22:47 katsmeow-afk did i get ripped off?
22:47 Tom_L not that i know of
22:47 katsmeow-afk k
22:47 Tom_L wow that's getting quiet now
22:47 Tom_L let's see what the temp does
22:47 Tom_L i can live with that
22:48 Tom_L i doubt it would stay there if i ran prime95
22:48 Tom_L but that's not the plan
22:48 tsmeow-afk
22:49 Tom_L it's not reading the fan rpm correctly now
22:49 katsmeow-afk :-/
22:49 Tom_L says 5.7k but i know it's not
22:50 Tom_L i bet it's half that
22:50 Tom_L as long as the temp stays down i'll leave it there
22:50 Tom_L don't see a need atm to change that tiny fan
22:51 katsmeow-afk when you hear it wind up, you'll know it's runing hot
22:51 Tom_L oh, it want's to do 199 updated...
22:51 Tom_L yeah
22:53 Tom_itx ok the cores went up a bit
22:53 Tom_itx doing the updates
22:55 Tom_itx what is ACPI?
22:56 katsmeow-afk acpi= [!what][!abbr] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
22:56 tsmeow-afk asked T
22:56 Tom_itx oh
22:56 katsmeow-afk ACPI= [!what][!abbr] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface ; This power management standard, proposed by Microsoft, Intel, and Toshiba, lets the PC control power to peripherals like CD-ROMs and printers, as well as consumer devices hooked up to the PC. Peripherals can also use ACPI to turn on the PC. For example: you could insert a CD-ROM into a drive, and the computer would automatically boot up.
22:56 Tom_itx it's got a temp sensor
22:57 katsmeow-afk yeas, ACPI wold turn the cpu clock up or down based on temperature
22:57 Tom_itx ahh that makes senss
22:57 katsmeow-afk as the cpu got hot, your prime95 wold run slower
22:57 Tom_itx e
22:57 Tom_itx ok
22:58 Tom_itx thinking about switching to xchat
22:58 katsmeow-afk what didn't yu like about mirc?
22:59 Tom_itx mostly the url thing
22:59 katsmeow-afk did you ask in ##mirc or #irchelp ?
22:59 Tom_itx no
22:59 katsmeow-afk i can send you v5.51
23:00 Tom_itx i suppose
23:01 Tom_itx just set the other MB to level 3
23:01 Tom_itx it went silent in the room :)
23:01 Tom_itx i didn't think it was that loud
23:02 Tom_itx can i use all the same scripts?
23:02 katsmeow-afk wait, is there a mirc.ini in your mirc dir somwhere?
23:02 Tom_itx i dunno, lemme look
23:02 katsmeow-afk prolly not
23:02 katsmeow-afk big diff tween 7.41 and 5.51
23:03 Tom_itx i don't have 7.x
23:03 katsmeow-afk what d you have?
23:03 Tom_itx there is an ini
23:03 katsmeow-afk ok, put this in it under [files] : browser=c:\progra~1\intern~1\iexplore.exe
23:03 Tom_itx 6.03
23:03 katsmeow-afk cept with the right path
23:04 Tom_itx with the ~1 or full path?
23:04 katsmeow-afk i dunno
23:04 Tom_itx i don't want ie as the explorer
23:04 katsmeow-afk i don't do that
23:04 katsmeow-afk try it both ways
23:05 Tom_itx i gotta find it first
23:05 katsmeow-afk mirc was once a 16bit app for win95
23:05 Tom_itx ff that is
23:06 katsmeow-afk you should have FF on your desktop, the icon shoudl have the path to the exe in it
23:06 Tom_itx what's urls for?
23:06 Tom_itx there's a urls=urls.ini in there under 'files'
23:06 katsmeow-afk prolly for logging them
23:06 katsmeow-afk mirc can log urls, you can view them later when offline
23:07 katsmeow-afk my Ff icon has thispath : "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe"
23:07 katsmeow-afk right click on the icon, select Properties
23:08 rue_shop3 that box way back there contained some of the first boards I ever took apart
23:08 Tom_itx i suppose i'll have to restart it
23:08 rue_shop3 back in like 1980
23:09 Tom_itx the program removed the line on exit
23:09 Tom_itx the editor asked me if i wanted to refresh so i did and it was gone
23:09 rue_shop3 and THIS is the modified kettle solder pot I used to use for stripping components
23:09 rue_shop3 i bet it still wroks
23:09 katsmeow-afk what?
23:09 Tom_itx i remember that rue
23:10 Tom_itx katsmeow-afk, it removed the brouser= line on exit
23:10 rue_shop3 the element forms a dish
23:10 rue_shop3 I filled it with zink and when it was all melted (manual temp control) I could dip in a board and pull the parts out real fast
23:11 katsmeow-afk hmm, 6.21 did too
23:12 rue_shop3 would you beleive I had ANOTHER box of computer power supplies back there?
23:13 rue_shop3 these two are from compaq luggables, I wonder if I shoudl ebay them
23:13 Tom_itx rue_shop3, just _how_ many of one thing is TOO many?
23:13 katsmeow-afk i dunno Tom, i can't find anything about it,, you can email mirc.com i spose
23:13 Tom_itx meh
23:14 katsmeow-afk 13,000 of 74ABT373 might be too much
23:14 rue_shop3 $399, wholy, maybe I should list mine
23:14 rue_shop3 katsmeow-afk, its safe to say its a lifetime supply
23:14 Tom_itx every irc client has it's pitfalls
23:15 Tom_itx i should run prime to see if the fan kicks on
23:15 rue_shop3 *this* is the power supply I had in the fist cnc I made
23:15 katsmeow-afk yeas, 5,51 won't run any new scripts, but yo can tell it which rowser to launch,, which i strangely don't care about
23:15 katsmeow-afk i copy/paste the url, i don't make the links clickale
23:16 Tom_itx with xchat i can't tell it where to store the logs
23:16 Tom_itx but the urls are clickable
23:18 Tom_itx cores went to 46-49c
23:19 Tom_itx no change in fan speed
23:20 Tom_itx brb
23:20 katsmeow-afk it's only 3c difference, i wouldn't change speed for that too
23:20 Tom_L i'm not gonna
23:21 Tom_L it got up to 52
23:22 Tom_L dropping back down so level 3 must be cool enough
23:23 rue_shop3 ... the structural element of the bottom of this box is an apple IIe motherboard
23:24 katsmeow-afk i've heard they work well for that
23:24 katsmeow-afk does any avr have a builtin optocoupled io pin(s) ?
23:26 katsmeow-afk how long will the tinyest avr run off a button cell at 10khz ?
23:29 Tom_itx quite a while
23:29 katsmeow-afk month?
23:29 Tom_itx i would think so
23:29 Tom_itx however their sleep mode seems a bit tricky
23:30 Tom_itx no opto that i know of
23:31 Tom_itx the fan speed keeps jumping between 2800 and 5k rpm
23:31 Tom_itx i think the 2300 is more accurate
23:31 Tom_itx not sure why it's mis reading it
23:31 Tom_itx 2300 is accepably quiet even for those little fans
23:32 Tom_itx the other pc is running about 1100 rpm now that i changed the level
23:32 Tom_itx core temps about 31c on it
23:49 katsmeow-afk i wonder how they decided to end In a Godda Da vida
23:50 katsmeow-afk they couldn't decide for 17 minutes, and then it occured to them that they could stop?
23:52 katsmeow-afk "can we stop this song?, i need to go potty!"
23:52 katsmeow-afk "no, we'll just do a drum solo while you are gone"
23:59 katsmeow-afk "can you play sounds of elephants while i go?"