#garfield Logs

Apr 24 2015

17:36 tsmeow-afk cu
17:37 katsmeow-afk last time i saw my big drill bits was being packed to got Fla, now i need a 9/16 and cannot find it
17:37 Tom_itx i bet it's right where you left it
17:38 katsmeow-afk i was just at HomeDepot ysterday, and now havto stop every %^&$% thing i am doing, pack all the tools back inside, and make the trip ag4576343gain
17:38 katsmeow-afk Tom, yeas, deep in a box buried under other boxes
17:38 m_itx gives katsmeow-afk a box sh
17:39 tsmeow-afk sttempts to chuck it in the drill p
17:42 katsmeow-afk i am smelling like burned schallac
17:43 katsmeow-afk cutting disk locked up , stalled "grinder", on-off is not the handgrip, takes two paws to hold and on-off the thing
17:43 katsmeow-afk smoke occured
17:43 katsmeow-afk motor still runs
17:46 Tom_itx make an extension cord with a foot switch on it, then you can use both paws and lock the tool on
17:48 katsmeow-afk i seldom working on my feet, because i have feet problems due to busted back, i dunno i can build a knee switch i would use
17:49 Tom_itx some sort of apparatus like that would give you paw freedom
17:49 katsmeow-afk this is true
17:49 katsmeow-afk or a better current sense and autokill
17:50 Tom_itx i'll let you take it from here...
17:51 katsmeow-afk need one on the bandsaw too, if it slows the tinyest amount, the start winding kicks in, there is no noticeable slowdown in blade speed, and then will soon smoke
17:52 katsmeow-afk i took off the chinese 1hp motor and put on a usa 1hp, no such problems ,,, altho the usa motor will squeal the belt if the blade is stuck
17:52 Tom_itx audible warning :)
17:52 katsmeow-afk exactly
17:52 katsmeow-afk i had no intentions of tightening the belt :-)
17:55 katsmeow-afk well, i cannot expand the 1/2 bit, so i gotta go get a 9/16 reduced shank
17:55 katsmeow-afk can you say "stupidly overpriced" ?
17:56 katsmeow-afk bbl
19:36 e_house lowers the bed off the cie
19:37 rue_house oo nothing like seeing a motor smoke and knowing it "still works"
19:37 rue_house today from china:
19:37 rue_house 3 axis gyro (?? guess it was cheap)
19:37 rue_house batteries for the micrometer (yay)
19:38 rue_house led "lenses" (some work required)
19:40 Tom_itx ok time to swap out the board in this pc
19:48 katsmeow-afk Tom, rue, are you guys absolutely helpless, unable to do anything at all, when sitting down?
20:03 Tom_L i'm sitting down replacing a MB atm
20:04 rue_house you should do these things while the machine is live tom
20:04 katsmeow-afk so you know each step works
20:04 rue_house I tend to fall asleep when I sit down
20:05 rue_house it dosn't make me more usefull
20:05 katsmeow-afk i wonder why people assume i am helpless because i sit down
20:05 rue_house ... maybe its the way you sit?
20:05 e_house sh
20:05 katsmeow-afk you *sleep*? i thought you were just disconnecting the body to focus more on mental theories!
20:06 katsmeow-afk well, i sit *down*
20:09 katsmeow-afk HomeDespot had *one* 9/16 drill bit, luckily, it was a reduced shaft
20:10 rue_house hmm
20:36 Tom_itx yay
20:38 tsmeow-afk yays
20:38 Tom_itx new mb fit in the homebrew plastic box
20:38 Tom_itx with few mods
20:39 katsmeow-afk what flavor of lastic?
20:39 Tom_itx brb
20:39 tsmeow-afk scratches at her
20:39 Tom_L plexiglas
20:39 Tom_L http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/itx/itx_thumb_index.php
20:39 Tom_L http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/itx/itxcase5.JPG
20:40 katsmeow-afk what dija glue it with? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Firestone-EPDM-Pond-Liner-Splice-Adhesive-1-Gallon-/191036568914 ?
20:41 Tom_L plexi solvent
20:41 katsmeow-afk EPI? i thought you got a asrock
20:42 Tom_L that's the old one
20:42 Tom_L no pics of the new one
20:42 katsmeow-afk o
20:43 katsmeow-afk no thumbdrive slot on the front panel?
20:43 Tom_L no
20:43 Tom_L not yet
20:43 katsmeow-afk 0 results found for plexi solvent
20:43 katsmeow-afk Follow this search
20:43 Tom_L i've got a cable running to the desktop for that
20:43 katsmeow-afk Related: mercury salt
20:44 katsmeow-afk 28 results for plexiglass solvent
20:44 Tom_L http://www.eplastics.com/Plexiglass_Glue
20:44 Tom_L that's what i used
20:44 Tom_L weld-on
20:44 Tom_L solvent #4
20:46 katsmeow-afk just wanna know, why did you pick "water thin" vs one with some body?
20:46 Tom_itx i had a tube of #16 too but used the #4
20:46 Tom_itx it wicks under the edge and bonds well
20:47 katsmeow-afk the otherlooks like you could use it like form-a-gasket, with a bead, to fill fat voids?
20:48 Tom_itx probably
20:48 katsmeow-afk not saying you made cooked cuts and needed fillers
20:48 katsmeow-afk crooked
20:48 Tom_itx it dries quick though so you need to work fast
20:48 tsmeow-afk
20:48 Tom_itx as far as skin coat dry anyway
20:48 katsmeow-afk do you know about reamers as well?
20:48 tsmeow-afk has a q
20:48 Tom_itx some
20:49 Tom_itx about .020" removal
20:49 katsmeow-afk is this sorta thing any good? ==>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231535370702
20:49 Tom_itx at most
20:49 katsmeow-afk they looks like scrapers, to knock down burrs, not real reamers
20:49 Tom_itx those look more like hones
20:49 Tom_itx something you might use on a cylinder wall?
20:50 katsmeow-afk can't be hones, they are not abrasive, i have cylinder hones
20:50 Tom_itx i dunno what the purpose of those is
20:50 Tom_itx well similar to a hone
20:50 Tom_itx they look expandable
20:51 katsmeow-afk it's 6 adjustable straight edges, they aren't canted in the direction of travel, and wipe more than cut into
20:52 katsmeow-afk but i have a tube that's .010 too small ID, and i'd rather open the ID some than skinny down the OD of the insert for that tube
20:53 katsmeow-afk it's absolutely .008 small, plus .002 for clearance
20:53 Tom_itx a regular reamer will give you the size you specify, where that will let you oversize it if needed i believe
20:53 katsmeow-afk you think those things on that ebay page will cut out the metal?
20:54 Tom_itx i have no experience with them
20:54 katsmeow-afk $15 , or even $30 would be a great price for them , but i could swear their intended task is just knock down burrs
20:54 Tom_itx they don't look like they have a cutting edge
20:55 katsmeow-afk the edge is 90 deg to the flat surface of each "blade"
20:55 Tom_itx right
20:55 Tom_itx i know what they look like, i've just never used one
20:56 katsmeow-afk if 6 blades are all cutting the entire length, it would be like using a 2ft wide cutting tool in a lathe
20:57 katsmeow-afk could be used as a sizer: insert, turn and adjust, if you cannot turn it, then that is the size, remove and check with calipers
20:57 Tom_itx i think i would pass on those
20:57 Tom_itx <_methods> they're adjustable reamers and they suck
20:58 katsmeow-afk yeas, i figured they's not function well as *cutting* stock removeal reamers
21:00 tsmeow-afk will save her money and put it towards the diy 140mm real re
21:00 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-X-3-PIECE-FLY-CUTTER-SET-NEW-DONT-MISS-THIS-SUPER-DEAL-/391061439880 ?
21:01 Tom_itx what holder do they have?
21:01 katsmeow-afk straight shaft, 1/2 inch
21:01 Tom_itx those look ok if you have the holder
21:01 Tom_itx oh
21:02 Tom_itx you'd want to grip it as close to the head as possible
21:02 katsmeow-afk i have 1/2 inch collets for the ER25 and C5
21:02 katsmeow-afk yeas, for the er25, i figured cutting plastic
21:02 katsmeow-afk lightly
21:03 Tom_itx i've got a similar on my sherline
21:03 katsmeow-afk the C5 can hold a 1.25 shaft, iirc
21:03 Tom_itx i've extended the hss far beyond what they ever intended :D
21:03 katsmeow-afk but i can use that big one for leveling the table on the er25
21:04 katsmeow-afk prolly use the small one too
21:04 tsmeow-afk shrugs,, i want/need the small one, i could maybe use the other
21:04 katsmeow-afk i dunno,, for that price?
21:05 katsmeow-afk "buy one for $20, get two more and a box for free" ?
21:05 tsmeow-afk is seeking Tom's expereince and cou
21:06 katsmeow-afk should i just weld stuff to a 1/2 shaft and make something that looks like those?
21:06 katsmeow-afk i prolly should
21:09 Tom_itx you could
21:09 Tom_itx many ppl have made those
21:11 tsmeow-afk will do so
21:12 Tom_itx http://www.ebay.com/itm/Whalhaupter-UPA-3-w-30-Taper-Removable-Shank-A-0835-5-/161283346832?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258d3c9190
21:13 katsmeow-afk a whalhauper? is that a mixed drink like a harvey wallbanger?
21:13 Tom_itx how can i default 'link clicks' to use FF instead of IE in MIRC?
21:13 katsmeow-afk options "link to browser"
21:13 katsmeow-afk or in the OS, set default browser to FF
21:14 Tom_itx i did that already
21:14 Tom_itx don't see the option in mirc
21:14 katsmeow-afk ok, in mirc options: irc - Catcher - set path to browser
21:15 katsmeow-afk location and name of broswer <==> path to browser
21:15 katsmeow-afk c:\blah blah\firefox.exe
21:16 Tom_itx my mirc must be too old
21:16 Tom_itx i don't have that option
21:16 katsmeow-afk i personally never use that, because if there's transparent parts to the path, they can be valid links
21:16 katsmeow-afk too old? i am using 5.51 and it has that option
21:16 Tom_itx hmm
21:17 Tom_itx 6.03
21:17 katsmeow-afk you find the options/preferences?
21:18 Tom_itx nope
21:19 katsmeow-afk ok, icon below Files and TUools in menubar
21:19 katsmeow-afk err
21:19 katsmeow-afk ok, icon below Files and Tools in menubar
21:19 katsmeow-afk "General Options"
21:19 katsmeow-afk 2nd icon from the left
21:19 katsmeow-afk no? ok, type/hold alt-o
21:20 katsmeow-afk find it?
21:20 Tom_itx i got to that point but it's not there
21:20 katsmeow-afk there's no popup?
21:20 Tom_itx i can get options open but there's no place to select brouser that i can find
21:21 katsmeow-afk see the list, like a dir listing in exploder
21:21 katsmeow-afk 2nd item from top is IRC
21:21 katsmeow-afk open it
21:21 katsmeow-afk click on it's (+)
21:21 Tom_itx i did that
21:22 katsmeow-afk there's no IRC listed?
21:22 katsmeow-afk how far did you get?
21:22 Tom_itx one sec
21:23 Tom_itx i'm joining another window, too hard to look and chat at the same time
21:23 Tom_L ok
21:23 Tom_L options->irc->catcher
21:23 Tom_L nothing there
21:24 katsmeow-afk with Cather showing, try alt-L
21:24 Tom_L nothing happened
21:26 katsmeow-afk hmm, i can confirm same problem in mirc v7.41
21:26 Tom_L they must have moved/removed it
21:27 Tom_itx xchat lets you do it but i don't like how they store logs
21:29 katsmeow-afk must ask in ##mirc or #irchelp
21:29 katsmeow-afk i cannot find anything about where it is now in v7.41
21:29 katsmeow-afk there's reasons i didn't "upgrade" past 5.51
21:29 Tom_itx if i could set the directory for logs in xchat i'd be happy
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21:32 katsmeow-afk you can prolly script the browser, like : on mouseover, /run c:\blah\firefox.exe $1- ,, or such, i dunno, i haven't scripted past .5.51
21:33 Tom_itx it's ok
21:35 katsmeow-afk k
21:35 Tom_itx i've got 5.71
21:35 Tom_itx dunno if that has it or not
21:36 katsmeow-afk mirc is a interesting scripting language in it's own right, but it has severe limits, such as line length / string lengths
21:36 katsmeow-afk there's some gotchas in the *tok functions too
21:40 tsmeow-afk finds it fascinating that McDonalds has a printed sign at the drivethru to let people know they have the menu in bra
21:40 katsmeow-afk someone blind has *got* to drive up and ask for it
21:41 katsmeow-afk and point out they cannot read the sign saying they have it, because the sign is nailed to the side of the building, and isn't in braille
21:41 Tom_itx ok, putting the epia board back in it's box
21:42 Tom_itx been running 24/7 for years
21:42 katsmeow-afk cool
21:43 Tom_itx i will keep it for a backup machine
21:43 katsmeow-afk that's one of those things i prolly would buy if i lost an existing puter and had to replace it
21:43 Tom_itx not sure what size hdd it can take
21:43 katsmeow-afk why backup, and not useing it?
21:44 Tom_itx it's too slow for anything useful
21:44 katsmeow-afk oh,, then i am glad i did not get it
21:44 Tom_itx eden cpu
21:44 Tom_itx 700mhz?
21:45 Tom_itx no, 1g iirc
21:45 Tom_itx i forget
21:45 tsmeow-afk
21:46 Tom_itx at least now i can click a link and not have to wait 5 min
21:46 katsmeow-afk heh
21:47 Tom_itx i'm wondering what the temps will do when i shut the fan of
21:47 Tom_itx f
21:47 katsmeow-afk depends a lot on the load
21:47 Tom_itx not much
21:47 katsmeow-afk i dunno, rue prolly has an app for graphing that
21:47 Tom_itx core is 31c
21:48 Tom_itx aux is 41c
21:48 Tom_itx i'm guessing that's the board temp?
21:48 tsmeow-afk should prolly go drill that 9/16 , so she can take the 3ft of steel outa the drill press t
21:48 Tom_itx i need to run some updates on it though and not looking forwared to it
21:48 katsmeow-afk i dunno
21:49 Tom_itx i want a wide screen monitor for it now
21:49 Tom_itx i have one and love it, the others are 19" square
21:50 tsmeow-afk prefers the 19 square too, but still has a few 17 sq
21:50 katsmeow-afk the laptop is 16 diag wide format
21:51 Tom_itx i kinda like the wide format
21:52 katsmeow-afk not for general programming, it makes my eyes wierd out to travel so much
21:52 Tom_itx well, i keep the editor small but can have other docs open and view them easily
21:53 katsmeow-afk so can i, but with three 19" screen side by side :-)
21:53 Tom_itx i did that for a while too
21:54 katsmeow-afk i have no puter i can watch a video or listen to audio on and it not be glitchy if i launch something else
21:54 katsmeow-afk which is why all the audio is shut down on all the desktop boxes
21:54 Tom_itx so far for the price i like these
21:54 katsmeow-afk $50 each?
21:54 Tom_itx and they're small
21:54 Tom_itx approx yes
21:54 Tom_itx + ram
21:55 katsmeow-afk i meant the monitor
21:55 Tom_itx oh
21:55 Tom_itx i dunno
21:55 Tom_itx the wide one i got local for 69 iirc
21:55 Tom_itx couple years ago
21:55 katsmeow-afk good deal
21:56 Tom_itx i think they're 89 now
21:56 Tom_itx i don't remember
21:57 Tom_itx they were pretty cheap
21:57 Tom_itx but they work
21:58 katsmeow-afk i dunno, i suspect 3 19" would take up way too much width on the physical desktop
21:58 Tom_itx i considered hanging one upside down
21:58 Tom_itx above another
21:58 Tom_itx since you can flip the screen in 7
21:59 katsmeow-afk 2nd shelf slightly behind the bottom row might be easier and more useful
21:59 Tom_itx you should go drill your hole
21:59 katsmeow-afk ok, sorry
22:00 Tom_itx don't wanna hinder progress
22:20 katsmeow-afk ok, hole drilled, makes me happy that i bolted the head of that drill press to a 2x6 wall
22:21 katsmeow-afk more groceries downstairs, boots removed from hind feet, bug sprayed and dead, FootRoaster on
22:22 katsmeow-afk $5 sub sammich and tub of butter are in fridge, alarm are set to perimeter
22:52 Tom_itx core temps 40c too high?
22:53 katsmeow-afk not when loaded, imho
22:53 katsmeow-afk i suspect when it hits 70c, you should start bothering google or ddg
22:54 Tom_itx hmm
22:54 Tom_itx ok
23:06 katsmeow-afk L Helps
23:06 katsmeow-afk a b � CPUs
23:06 katsmeow-afk June 24, 2013 5:23:25 AM
23:06 katsmeow-afk It's recommended to let the cpu stay under 65C so those are good temperatures.
23:06 katsmeow-afk Edit: those are the recommended temps under load, try using prime 95 and see what the max temps are.
23:06 katsmeow-afk The CPU temp is at 52-53C and the core 0 is at 65-67C and core 1 at 63-65C
23:06 katsmeow-afk Edit: forgot to mention it's pretty damn hot these days in Israel, usually at more or less 30C.. so I believe it has some effect on the temp, am I correct?
23:07 katsmeow-afk correct and those temps are safe especially when it's that hot.
23:07 katsmeow-afk http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1712717/cpu-temp-core-temps.html
23:07 katsmeow-afk http://www.pcworld.com/article/231430/Core_Temp.html
23:08 katsmeow-afk The Core Temp FAQ states that the temperature should be kept around 20� C/68� F or lower below its Tj. Max. value while under full load.</p>
23:09 katsmeow-afk so yeas, over 70c when loaded down and real busy, start being concerned
23:12 Tom_itx ok
23:12 Tom_itx i'll not worry about it then
23:13 Tom_itx may run with no fan to see where it goes
23:13 tsmeow-afk
23:14 Tom_itx cracked the lid a bit to let the heat escape since it wasn't meant for this MB
23:14 katsmeow-afk my mobo are all too old to have cpus with temp sensors in them
23:14 Tom_itx i ran it all during the setup with no fan sitting on the desk
23:14 Tom_itx yeah
23:15 katsmeow-afk true, "open air on desk" != "sealed in small box"
23:15 Tom_itx i had one that burned the barcode label off it because they forgot to remove the plastic cover from the heatsink
23:15 Tom_itx and it never died
23:15 katsmeow-afk wow
23:21 tsmeow-afk eats more chocolate in an attempt to get over beng told so many times at store that she's helpless, useless, and needs attending to by id
23:21 Tom_itx so far no fan, cpu 37c, core 1-4 39 38 41 41
23:21 Tom_itx aux 41 whatever that is
23:22 katsmeow-afk exelent
23:22 Tom_itx and it's quiet in the room now :)
23:22 katsmeow-afk even better
23:23 Tom_itx using a program called 'speedfan'
23:23 katsmeow-afk i have been tempted so many times to cut a hole in the wall, and stick the back end of these desktops in the utility room
23:23 Tom_itx to monitor it
23:24 katsmeow-afk or wrap them in that cementboard used for showers and bathtub areas
23:25 Tom_itx the asrock utility shows 38c for cpu and 37c for MB
23:26 tsmeow-afk
23:30 Tom_itx prime shot it up to 50c
23:30 Tom_itx 51
23:31 katsmeow-afk still low
23:31 Tom_itx 52
23:31 Tom_itx 53
23:31 Tom_itx cpu useage: 100%
23:31 katsmeow-afk it's heavy n the math
23:31 Tom_itx i've run similar before
23:31 Tom_itx 54
23:33 Tom_itx brb
23:35 katsmeow-afk intel 8087 $18 on ebay
23:36 katsmeow-afk $15 from HK
23:37 Tom_itx i may add a larger fan and run it slow
23:37 Tom_itx these are tiny fans
23:37 katsmeow-afk $10 from China
23:37 Tom_itx i have fans
23:37 katsmeow-afk large fan on slow is quieter for the same air
23:38 katsmeow-afk no, i mean $10 for 8087 from china
23:38 katsmeow-afk thinking of what chips i can glue nto a C64
23:38 katsmeow-afk prolly not worth it
23:39 katsmeow-afk lookups from 20ns ram can save a lot of time off descrete math coprocessors
23:39 Tom_itx i got a 60 mm i may use
23:39 Tom_itx also a 92mm
23:39 Tom_itx still in the box
23:40 katsmeow-afk use whichever cannot be used to replace on on anotehr computer that *needs* a fan
23:41 Tom_itx i've got several 40mm which is what's in it now
23:42 Tom_itx but it's not as quiet
23:43 katsmeow-afk 40 is almost the loudest available
23:43 katsmeow-afk they beat the air to death to make it move
23:44 katsmeow-afk i have a small stack of 130mm fans , 12vdc, 24vdc, and 120vac, iirc
23:47 Tom_itx i may get a regular case for this soon
23:47 Tom_itx that way i can have the other one available in this box to use as backup
23:54 katsmeow-afk In the event of an accident, the coastal state bears both the brunt of
23:54 katsmeow-afk the harm and the majority of the clean-up responsibility; however, under current practice, it
23:54 katsmeow-afk does not have the plenary authority to completely regulate the drilling and production opera-
23:54 katsmeow-afk tions that occur above the waterline on deepwater mobile oil rigs operating in the EEZ.
23:54 katsmeow-afk it can regulate only below the surface for the oil business