#garfield Logs

Feb 17 2015

00:11 rue_bed so, the mind seems to use parallel timers for sequencing
00:12 rue_bed I also suspect that object references can get split, and have multiple instances of the same object
15:44 katsmeow-afk rue, if the object in mind does not have a single permanence, don't we call that a psychosis or a schizophrenia, or some other aberrant phrenia depending on it the object is personal or external?
16:10 katsmeow-afk <title>International Hackers Have Stollen $1 Billion From Banks</title> <<= stollen ??
16:18 katsmeow-afk Canadian firm based in Winnipeg, will invest about $3 million in .... a manufacturing plant .... in Anniston .... in Alabama, which is expected to create 75 new jobs
16:19 katsmeow-afk which is alil wierd, because a styrofoam plant was shut down for haveing bad air emmissions, and fiberglass stinks worse and is more dangerous
19:49 katsmeow-afk http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/02/17/mayor-urges-knucklehead-bostonians-not-to-jump-out-of-windows-and-into-the-snow/?tid=pm_national_pop ... Things have gotten so bad that Boston Mayor Marty Walsh was forced to deliver some real talk to the citizenry, specifically warning the knuckleheads who have been jumping out of their windows and into the snow to cut it out.
21:26 rue_more I think our mind cope with soem object duplication, I think thats why under certian contexts you cant remmeber things
21:27 rue_more katsmeow-afk, I'm guessing those 75 people get paid wel
21:27 katsmeow-afk if they are doubled, then yu can *not* remember them?
21:27 rue_more dont ask me that right now, I'm busy comming up with crazy ideas :)
21:28 katsmeow-afk oh, ok
21:28 rue_more I'm still working on a brain operations map
21:28 rue_more last night I started at sections of the brain and ended at the visual cortex splitup arrangement
21:28 katsmeow-afk does it matter *where* operations occur? are you short on interconnect wiring?
21:29 rue_more trying to udnerstand why left, right, up and down are split like they are
21:29 katsmeow-afk happenstance, chance, evoluton guing parts on whilly-nilly
21:29 rue_more my idea is to design something with the same block structure of the brain
21:29 rue_more or just to understand it
21:29 katsmeow-afk design something better
21:29 rue_more last night I read that the neurons in a bird brain are arranged completely differently to mammals
21:29 katsmeow-afk like why, if the eyes are in front, the optical processing in sin back?
21:30 rue_more no,
21:31 rue_more the visual field is split into 4 quadrants per eye
21:31 rue_more the left side of each eye goes to the left visual cortex and the right side of each eye goes to the right
21:31 katsmeow-afk you you wanna chop of the visual field of a robot into quads too?
21:31 rue_more up and down are split too, one of them goes thru what looks like a slight delay loop
21:31 katsmeow-afk i don't think so
21:32 rue_more I want to know what advantage there is in breaking up and splitting out the visual field
21:32 rue_more its called the meyers loop
21:32 rue_more http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/ERP_-_optic_cabling.jpg
21:33 katsmeow-afk a delay and rescan will detect motion, that's been used inelectronic visual detectionfor a long time
21:34 rue_more once I collected data that human vision is 60fps with 10x oversampling, aka a 600fps background, but I dont think thats right
21:35 rue_more 50hz lights dont flicker badly or europe wouldn't have gone there
21:35 Tom_itx it was raining, sleeting and snowing all at once today
21:35 rue_more so there is moderate attenuation of change over 20ms
21:35 Tom_itx and blowing like a blizzard
21:35 Tom_itx all over in 10 min and the sun came back out
21:35 rue_more we get sun and snow at the same time sometimes
21:35 katsmeow-afk you get below zero tonite, Tom?
21:35 Tom_itx oddest thing i've ever seen here for weather
21:36 Tom_itx i dunno
21:36 rue_more katsmeow-afk, I would like your thoughts on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/ERP_-_optic_cabling.jpg
21:36 katsmeow-afk i remember an afternoon ~75F, and by dark everything was iced over, it was 20F, and theparking lot was a skating rink, and cars were in the pool
21:37 rue_more cars couldn't take the heat eh?
21:38 katsmeow-afk the first sleet melted and flowed under the car tires, the 20F 10 minlater re-froze, lifted the cars off the gnd, and off they went, no onetouching them
21:39 katsmeow-afk in hindsight, my comment on goig to the bars later that evening was "oh we'll be fine if we don't slide off the cliff, and i don't think we will"
21:40 rue_more bars
21:40 katsmeow-afk might not have been encouraging, but we were fine, or i would not have tried driving
21:40 rue_more even if its just speculatory
21:40 katsmeow-afk i don't likeit
21:40 rue_more the vision field split up?
21:40 katsmeow-afk why would it be built by evolution to be so complicated?
21:41 rue_more maybe its the simplest solution
21:42 katsmeow-afk what do the genculates do?
21:42 rue_more the question would be, solution to what
21:43 rue_more I think they are like the chiasma, they are blocks that nervs route thru as they merge and part
21:43 katsmeow-afk autofocus and aiming each eye at the same thing
21:43 rue_more oh rlly?
21:43 katsmeow-afk but in computer solutions, it need not be routed as shown
21:43 rue_more hmm
21:44 rue_more hmm, the geniculate would then help keep each eye at the same focus value
21:44 katsmeow-afk by comparing small sections of each eye
21:45 katsmeow-afk which you'd do in software , using the same hardware, in computers
21:45 rue_more the dual interlocking might cause an interesting feedback loop
21:46 rue_more so part of the goal may be to seperate out that is just organic method vs process organization
21:46 katsmeow-afk yeas, especially if one eye was damaged, and only one quad could be locked properly at once, it would oscillate
21:48 rue_more there are multiple failures involving people losing combinations of quads
23:49 katsmeow-afk moosetrap : http://www.ebay.com/itm/000922-O-Ring-Seal-Rings-Lot-of-5-/400827396403?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d532cb133
23:54 katsmeow-afk "signs of wear" ==>> http://mooseindustrialsurplus.com/ebayimages/Huntington_No_1_Grinding_Wheel_Dresser.jpg
23:57 rue_more I got the 24V valves today!
23:57 rue_more asside from the fact they came all the way from china loose in a bubble bag, they look ok
23:58 rue_more I cant find the signs of wear, the wheel looks smooth as a babys bottom :)
23:59 katsmeow-afk hmm, goodpoint
23:59 katsmeow-afk well, lack of points
23:59 rue_more 5 O rings, $15 + $35 shipping... erm, no.