#garfield Logs

Jan 12 2015

00:46 rue_house ?
12:24 katsmeow-afk "Jupiter Ascending" may be good too, rue
12:24 katsmeow-afk what's the odds of two bad hdd cards?
12:24 tsmeow-afk has not had a good balanced diet in over 10 years, she forgot how to
12:25 tsmeow-afk prefers to use the cards for doing stuff like this, because the cards don't get accessed by the bootup, only after windoze has launched, so i can change drives out without changing the
12:25 Tom_itx stick around a while
12:25 tsmeow-afk has way too many drives to put in the 10 computers without resorting to cards and more
12:25 katsmeow-afk but you said i was gone
12:25 Tom_itx you were
12:25 katsmeow-afk i wasn't
12:25 Tom_itx were
12:25 Tom_itx :D
12:25 Tom_itx useless isn't katsmeow-afk
12:26 katsmeow-afk it is when kat is being treated like she is useless
12:28 katsmeow-afk http://openeuphoria.org/forum/126034.wc?last_id=126174
12:28 katsmeow-afk i was banned from the entire forum by a jimcbrown because he didn't like me contributing,, he's run off all the women but me
12:30 katsmeow-afk Posted by Ekhnat0n 21 hours ago
12:30 katsmeow-afk 156 views
12:30 katsmeow-afk @useless:
12:30 katsmeow-afk Don mention any properties of any language whatsoever
12:30 katsmeow-afk comparing it with Euphoria
12:30 katsmeow-afk without mentioning that language.
12:30 katsmeow-afk you ought to be banned
12:30 katsmeow-afk for NOT telling the language
12:30 katsmeow-afk as it's cheap stating things without offering opportunity
12:30 katsmeow-afk to verify your claims.
12:31 katsmeow-afk to which i replied:
12:31 katsmeow-afk It doesn't matter which other language has whatever features. And so it doesn't matter if you believe whatever language does or doesn't have what feature. What matters is what Euphoria has.
12:31 katsmeow-afk And to some people it matters that we asked for the same things back in the days when RobC ran the show as we ask for now.
12:31 katsmeow-afk Ragging on me like you have done only proves i am...
12:31 katsmeow-afk useless
12:31 katsmeow-afk ==============
12:31 katsmeow-afk dcuny said...
12:31 katsmeow-afk However, it seemed that many users were quite hostile to new ideas. There was an attitude that people were guarding the one true language from corruption.
12:31 katsmeow-afk To me that is saying pretty much the same thing. Reminds me of...
12:31 katsmeow-afk Howard Aiken said...
12:31 katsmeow-afk If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
12:31 katsmeow-afk ============
12:34 katsmeow-afk to bring out a point of how long no one has DONE any code imporvements, i pointed to my variable-access-table code, which i wrote in 2003 when no one back then had added it to the core after discussing it for years
12:34 katsmeow-afk so here it is 12 years later, and STILL arguing about it
12:36 katsmeow-afk they added a tasks.e include to get around not having real threads, and it pretty well works, it needed msg passing, they said they were working on it, then 2 yrs after that they said it would be soon, so i wrote mine, they refused it, said someoent they like more was writing it, that was 3 yrs ago, they have no msg handler code
12:36 katsmeow-afk but they still don't want mine
12:36 katsmeow-afk it's hard for them to justify asking for help when they don't accept it
12:36 Tom_itx life is like that
12:37 katsmeow-afk no mtter how much code i crank out, or how much hardware i make, i am still seen averywhere as useless/helpless
12:37 Tom_itx lunch whistle blew. back to work...
12:38 katsmeow-afk no it isn't Tom, you are paid to work and contribute, i was once paid $30k a yr to work and contribute (1985)
12:40 katsmeow-afk i still remember what it's like to take home a $600 paycheck twice a month, after taxes
12:42 katsmeow-afk i was useful, and i am not much more stupid now than i was then
12:44 katsmeow-afk i went to the grocery store today, i had not even got the car door shut when i got there than someone ran over bent down and yelled at me to ask if i needed their help
12:48 tsmeow-afk goes over to sit by Tom for a mo
13:06 katsmeow-afk i should go put the eggs in the fridge
13:26 katsmeow-afk CENTCOM Twitter Account Hacked By Individuals Claiming To Be Part Of ISIS ,,,, Just In: Twitter account of the military's US Central Command hacked
13:30 katsmeow-afk http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/12/us-cybersecurity-centcom-hack-idUSKBN0KL1UZ20150112
13:37 katsmeow-afk "While the Boeing design was clearly superior, the crash of the B-17 prototype (caused by taking off with the controls still locked) removed it from consideration."
13:59 katsmeow-afk Samsung 8GB (2X4GB) PC3-12800S DDR3-1333MHz SO-DIMM M471B5273DH0-CH9 LAPTOP
13:59 katsmeow-afk $69.99
13:59 katsmeow-afk or Best Offer
13:59 katsmeow-afk Free shipping
20:38 rue_house ifny, !!! my phone number for you dotn's work anymore, happy birthday!!!!
20:38 rue_house welcome back kat
20:41 ifny rue_house: thanks!
20:54 tsmeow had found a nap no one was using, and too
21:29 katsmeow-afk "In the UK, the Gender Identity Research & Education Society claims that a school of 1,000 pupils should expect around 10 children to be gender variant to some degree."
21:30 katsmeow-afk what about mechas? and Ai bots? and hybrids?
21:31 katsmeow-afk if they can learna human language and pass an IQ test in a human language, shouldn't they be allowed to attend a schoool too?
21:43 rue_house some peopel who attend school cant
21:43 tsmeow-afk
21:44 katsmeow-afk robot movie last nite, mosty robot-battles-other-robot
21:44 katsmeow-afk it was so ,, umm, wierd to see one robot fall down and have underarm sweat stains
21:50 katsmeow-afk ok, here's some caution, throw it to the wind, i dare you
21:58 katsmeow-afk no rain, 50's, going to mailbox
22:18 rue_house huh
22:20 rue_house the 100gal hot water storage tank I have
22:20 rue_house there are indications that thre is about a 10c difference between the temp at the top and bottom
22:33 katsmeow-afk yeas?
22:33 katsmeow-afk this is normal when there is no forced circulation
22:34 katsmeow-afk it's why the cold water tube at the top of small home hot water heatsrs extends from the top to the bopttom of the tank, to keep thje cold water down there
22:42 katsmeow-afk yanno, since the sunshine can power stuff at full power only 8 hrs per day on a good day, that means a 36gpd RO filter system is up 1/3 of the time, or 12gallons in the 8hrs of sunlite,, even for a 4amp 12v pump going 1gpm, that's 12 minutes total runtime, or 9.6 watthours per day
22:43 katsmeow-afk that won't take much of a solar panel to attach the RO to a seawater-evaporative particle "filter"
22:44 katsmeow-afk rue, Tom, care to make suggestions on this guy's laptops, to use instead of desktop boxes? : http://www.ebay.com/sch/recycletek/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p2059210.m2750.l2654
22:46 katsmeow-afk oohh, crap, "NO OS" nevermind
22:46 katsmeow-afk it will be hell trying to find all the drivers
22:47 katsmeow-afk i am just thinking a laptop from ebay beats performance of buying new mini-itx, which don't come with batteries, keybd, or screen
22:48 katsmeow-afk or hdd or ram or mouse
22:55 katsmeow-afk drat
23:10 katsmeow-afk Picard strolls onto the bridge and announces the star ship demolition derby has begun: START WRECK
23:15 rue_shop3 heh
23:16 rue_shop3 kat, you know you type more than I'm around to read in time?
23:16 katsmeow-afk i can prolly agree to that
23:17 rue_shop3 ok, pls dont be offended if I occasionally miss things
23:17 katsmeow-afk we need carry-around connectivity, just for google, wikipedia, and irc
23:17 katsmeow-afk and weather
23:17 rue_shop3 hmm, I need 6 low votlage connections to a toaster oven
23:17 rue_shop3 that I'm making a reflow oven with
23:17 rue_shop3 thinkg I should use a db9?
23:18 katsmeow-afk only if you can use common grounds
23:18 rue_shop3 yup
23:18 rue_shop3 its all isolated
23:18 katsmeow-afk db15 will give you ability to use differential signalling, and be able to add morelater
23:18 rue_shop3 2 SSRs and a thermal probe
23:18 katsmeow-afk db15 = vga
23:19 rue_shop3 hmm
23:19 rue_shop3 even a db9 has lots of room for upgrades
23:19 katsmeow-afk the ssr can share gnd, the probe should be on it's own wire pair
23:19 rue_shop3 yp
23:19 katsmeow-afk ok, db9 then
23:19 rue_shop3 probe has its own power to locally regulate
23:19 katsmeow-afk oh
23:21 katsmeow-afk i hate it when i snap-bid an item and hope lose, and then win
23:22 rue_shop3 they lost it to their other account trying to get you to bid higher
23:22 rue_shop3 so they had to rewind their bid on their own item
23:23 rue_shop3 wonder how I can key this so it dosn't look like a serial port
23:23 rue_shop3 oh I know, I'll use 6 bannana jacks :)
23:23 katsmeow-afk well, it's an air-only selenoid for 99 cents, but it's over $6 s&h, while a air-liquid selenoid is $8 , better off getting the air-liquid for 50 cents more
23:24 katsmeow-afk use banana jacks, in a DB9 pattern :-)
23:24 rue_shop3 we worked out how to make a valve in the middle of a pipe that goes thru a solinoid core, and its working good
23:25 katsmeow-afk those have been made for yrs, i thought
23:25 katsmeow-afk sorta like a reed switch
23:26 katsmeow-afk does the air/water flow screw up the moving magnetic parts? make them shake and miss when closing?
23:28 rue_shop3 were just into ait
23:28 rue_shop3 pneumatic mulscles
23:28 katsmeow-afk ah
23:29 katsmeow-afk 2ft long arm, pick up a gallon of milk = 600 lbs pull on the shoulder tendon
23:29 rue_shop3 I'v worked out that in brains sequencing is done with a number of parallel timers, when the timings get out it all goes to hell
23:30 rue_shop3 and nwo I cant type prperply
23:30 rue_shop3 kat, that 600lbs tension is easy with about 20psi on an air muscle
23:30 rue_shop3 but there isn't much stroke
23:31 katsmeow-afk right
23:32 rue_shop3 I have a formula somewjere that says, given how much room you have for the mscle wat size pulley you need to use
23:32 katsmeow-afk if i want 270 degrees rotation of the shoulder, air muscles won't quite do it
23:32 katsmeow-afk but plain hydraulics can, and with 100psi 12vdc water pumps on ebay now for < $20, it's feasable
23:34 katsmeow-afk or, use car power steering pumps with 300psi pressure releases, and smaller pistons in 400psi pvc pipe
23:34 rue_shop3 hydraulics are slow, expensive and have to compliance, without more money
23:34 rue_shop3 (ok slow is arguaable)
23:34 rue_shop3 has no compliance
23:34 katsmeow-afk how is $18 and some $8 valve and some hardware store pvc pipe "expensive"?
23:35 rue_shop3 it also means there is a level in the brain where a word is 1 signal, which triggers all the tiemrs for its letters
23:35 katsmeow-afk compliance can be built in with strain guages (which you shouls have anyhow) and software
23:35 rue_shop3 the air muscles are made of baloons
23:36 katsmeow-afk yeas, words mean items of data, it's why i wrote the strtok.e include file
23:36 rue_shop3 and to servo the hydraaulics for speed control is $$$
23:36 katsmeow-afk please explain why $$$
23:36 rue_shop3 atleast two level son tiemrs, one to sequence the sentence and one to sequence the letters
23:37 rue_shop3 cost on proportionate hydraulic valves
23:37 rue_shop3 not $8
23:37 katsmeow-afk and times to correct grammar, punctuation, and spelling
23:37 rue_shop3 not that can respond in fractions of a second
23:37 rue_shop3 I optimized by throwing that all otu
23:37 katsmeow-afk what is an acceptable cost for a 4-port proportional hydraulic valve?
23:38 rue_shop3 dont get me wrong, what you seeing is 30% corrected
23:38 rue_shop3 $1
23:38 katsmeow-afk ouch
23:38 rue_shop3 er, less I suppose, cause I need over 194 of them
23:39 rue_shop3 I think there are 84 axies on the mecha
23:39 katsmeow-afk if yo can make or save over $194 off the mecha, can the parts cost more?
23:39 rue_shop3 or 97...
23:39 rue_shop3 the whole mecha is on a $240 budget
23:40 rue_shop3 because its about 12x the size of my normal $20 projects
23:40 tsmeow-afk picked up a good fwd hub and a fully charged good 12v battery, and 10ft of 2x2 foam today for $7, t
23:41 rue_shop3 see! living proof it can be done
23:42 rue_shop3 I find serious issue with putting two SSRs into a box right beside the heat chamber of a toaster oven
23:43 katsmeow-afk the ssr tend to get hot all by their lonesome, they nned heatsinks
23:43 katsmeow-afk dropping 2v at 10amps = 20 watts
23:44 katsmeow-afk a fan will help
23:45 rue_shop3 right now the plate I have to mount them to is the side of the heat box
23:45 rue_shop3 so, that wont work
23:46 tsmeow-afk sends condolences for their deaths in adv
23:46 rue_shop3 I'm considering 1/2" of high temp wool insulation and a metal plate
23:46 rue_shop3 and then maybe mounting a plate off that for them
23:47 katsmeow-afk and a cover for the exposed wiring
23:47 rue_shop3 but I'm thinking that this should just be a connector to SSRs in another external box
23:47 rue_shop3 I ahve about 2.5" to work with
23:47 rue_shop3 I need to mount the two SSRs and a small board for the temp sensor
23:47 katsmeow-afk if you cannot fan the ssrs , i'd go with a seperate box
23:49 katsmeow-afk this chewable antacid with famotidine ingredient actually works, and may last for days
23:49 rue_shop3 tis the fact that the mounting wall is the plate of the inside of the oven
23:49 katsmeow-afk just fyi
23:49 rue_shop3 you know, I prolly dont need high temp insulation
23:49 rue_shop3 std fibergalss prolly dosn't melt at 280 or less
23:49 katsmeow-afk i agree, the ssr's won't last long enough to justify the expense
23:49 rue_shop3 they were really cheap ssrs
23:50 katsmeow-afk k
23:50 rue_shop3 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-Soild-State-Relay-SSR-20-DA-DC-AC-20A-250V-3-32VDC-24-380VAC-YB-/370725935843?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5650fcdae3
23:51 katsmeow-afk that's a Futek brand, it may notlast one ac cycle
23:52 katsmeow-afk somone did an autopsy on one, it's got undersized parts in it
23:52 katsmeow-afk ymmv
23:53 rue_shop3 yup
23:53 rue_shop3 thats why I have 2x 20A for an 1800W oven
23:53 rue_shop3 1500W sorry
23:53 katsmeow-afk k
23:54 rue_shop3 oh no,
23:54 rue_shop3 I'm out of time
23:54 rue_shop3 I have 12 mins left
23:54 rue_shop3 then its bedtime
23:54 rue_shop3 damn
23:54 rue_shop3 I didn't get a chance
23:54 rue_shop3 I still dont know how to condition this wall
23:54 katsmeow-afk carpet it!
23:54 rue_shop3 I can put insulation against it, but i cant hold it back without risking shroting the conenctions
23:55 katsmeow-afk the wall has connections?
23:55 rue_shop3 ont he other electroic toaster oven they just used a peice of metal that stood off the wall
23:55 rue_shop3 like an ir barrier
23:55 rue_shop3 its got the 4 posts sticking thru it for the element conenctions
23:57 katsmeow-afk did you see the Alan Turning movie yet?
23:57 rue_shop3 this place dosn't get good movies till long after eralease date
23:57 tsmeow-afk
23:58 tsmeow-afk identified stro
23:58 rue_shop3 they are currenly showing a movie called unbroken
23:58 rue_shop3 http://www.gibsonscinema.ca/news.html
23:58 rue_shop3 then paddington
23:59 rue_shop3 teken part 3
23:59 rue_shop3 in the wooods...
23:59 rue_shop3 so, its not even on the radar yet
23:59 katsmeow-afk and those 3 don't sound like worth the gas to go see them