#garfield Logs

Sep 10 2014

19:32 rue_mohr2 :)
19:32 rue_mohr2 do a kickstarter for a garunteed order quantity
19:32 rue_mohr2 then you can hire out a batch and not have to really do anything to make 'em
19:32 Tom_itx i'm kinda gettin tired
19:32 rue_mohr2 hire out all the assembly
19:32 Tom_itx nothing to be made there
19:33 Tom_itx $$ wise
19:33 rue_mohr2 well no
19:33 rue_mohr2 thats why you shoudl do a kickstarter and get a big order set so you can hire it all out
19:33 rue_mohr2 dropship
19:34 rue_mohr2 not even see them
19:34 Tom_itx nobody's wanted one for quite a while
19:34 rue_mohr2 yep
19:34 rue_mohr2 m32u2 right?
19:35 Tom_itx iirc yes
19:35 rue_mohr2 whats that funkey channel with the chinese board makers?
19:36 Tom_itx dude in Hawai want's 3
19:36 Tom_itx already has 2
19:36 Tom_itx hackvanna
19:36 rue_mohr2 is he willing to put money into a kickstarter for you to do a batch?
19:36 Tom_itx no
19:36 Tom_itx he's doing business making boards
19:36 Tom_itx i got parts
19:37 Tom_itx just no willpower
19:37 rue_mohr2 nono, there is a channel with a bunch of chinese resellers
19:37 Tom_itx no clue
19:37 rue_mohr2 dont make them, get a board house to do it
19:37 rue_mohr2 you know they work
19:37 rue_mohr2 see if you can kickstarter 1k of them
19:38 rue_mohr2 do you think a boardhouse can do them assembled for same as you do?
19:39 Tom_itx no
19:39 Tom_itx especially not the blue ones
19:43 Tom_itx i honestly think they have just about run their course
19:43 rue_mohr2 not if people are still asking for them
19:43 rue_mohr2 your the only one with the alternate things all on one box
19:43 Tom_itx nothing like they were
19:44 rue_mohr2 are there any programmers for the tiny85?
19:44 rue_mohr2 er
19:44 rue_mohr2 the t10
19:44 Tom_itx atmel has a new one that does everything
19:44 rue_mohr2 yea, tahts $$ from atmel
19:44 rue_mohr2 I suspect way over what your asking for yours
19:45 Tom_itx mine doesn't do jtag either
19:45 rue_mohr2 nobody wants to use jtag
19:45 Tom_itx noobs think they do :)
19:46 Tom_itx http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATATMEL-ICE-PCBA/ATATMEL-ICE-PCBA-ND/4753383
19:46 Tom_itx bare board $35
19:46 rue_mohr2 yours was?
19:46 Tom_itx http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ATATMEL-ICE/ATATMEL-ICE-ND/4753379
19:46 Tom_itx all pretty $90
19:47 rue_mohr2 your udner 90
19:47 Tom_itx bare is 23 blue is 30
19:47 Tom_itx for mine
19:47 rue_mohr2 yea, see, way batter
19:48 rue_mohr2 they onyl do 2 protocols on that thing
19:48 Tom_itx i don't think so
19:48 rue_mohr2 I see 2 connectors
19:48 rue_mohr2 neither of which are 6 pin
19:49 rue_mohr2 thats about 4x the size of your board, isn't it?
19:49 Tom_itx they sense what you need though
19:49 Tom_itx probably
19:49 rue_mohr2 do you have to use dingle cables, with funny pinouts
19:50 Tom_itx no
19:50 rue_mohr2 you cant just plug in to the 6 pin isp that everyone uses
19:50 rue_mohr2 I have 2 usb programmers
19:50 rue_mohr2 the 32u2 devboard you sent me
19:51 rue_mohr2 and the programmer you sent me
19:51 rue_mohr2 :)
19:51 Tom_itx oh i forgot about the dev board
19:51 Tom_itx :)
19:51 Tom_itx they both work
19:51 rue_mohr2 yep
19:51 Tom_itx the programmer will do xmegas
19:51 Tom_itx which are 3.3v
19:51 Tom_itx the other one won't because you need the translator chip for that
19:51 Tom_itx or something
19:53 rue_mohr2 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Atmel-ATMEGA32U2-Based-USB-Development-Board-NooGroove-AVR-USB-Demo-Stick-USA-/150689897733
19:53 rue_mohr2 I dont think the world is even close to something as togethor as your programmers
19:53 rue_mohr2 are
19:54 Tom_itx there are a couple
19:54 Tom_itx one is a copy of mine whether they admit it or not
19:54 rue_mohr2 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1PC-USBasp-USBISP-AVR-Programmer-USB-3-3V-5V-ATMEGA8-for-Arduino-Raspberry-pi-/371140101102
19:55 rue_mohr2 10 pin, 1 protocol
19:56 rue_mohr2 market is flooded with those
19:57 rue_mohr2 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/USBasp-USB-ISP-5V-AVR-Programmer-ATMEGA8-ATMEGA128-6PIN-Wire-Support-Win7-64Bit-/141285717818
19:57 rue_mohr2 6 pin, but only 1 protocol
19:58 Tom_itx well dude just emailed me back and took all my blue ones
19:59 rue_mohr2 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Micro-USB-Tiny-AVR-ISP-5v-ATtiny44-USBTinyISP-Programmer-For-Arduino-Bootloader-/271577223353
19:59 Tom_itx he wanted 4 but all i got left right now is 3
19:59 rue_mohr2 ditto
19:59 rue_mohr2 yea, cmon, get more made
19:59 rue_mohr2 you dont have to do it youself
19:59 Tom_itx i'm getting weary
19:59 rue_mohr2 shall I help get a kickstarter and make a batch?
20:00 Tom_itx no
20:00 rue_mohr2 how long you think it would take to sell 1k?
20:00 rue_mohr2 3 years?
20:00 Tom_itx i haven't sold 1k yet
20:00 Tom_itx so longer than that
20:00 rue_mohr2 thats just cause you wont sell to anyone :)
20:01 Tom_itx ebay takes too big a chunk for me
20:01 Tom_itx paypal is bad enough
20:01 rue_mohr2 yup
20:01 rue_mohr2 kickstarter
20:01 rue_mohr2 you get the money up front
20:01 rue_mohr2 then you make them
20:01 Tom_itx i think kickstarter is gaining a bad name
20:01 rue_mohr2 your ok, they are already designed etc
20:01 rue_mohr2 and you can say that
20:02 rue_mohr2 this is what kickstarters are FOR, getting the mney to make things cheap by batching them
20:02 Tom_itx did you get a blue one or a plain one?
20:02 rue_mohr2 do 1 level, $x and you get one
20:02 Tom_itx i can't remember
20:02 rue_mohr2 mine is blooooo
20:03 rue_mohr2 and the dev board one is wrapped up in black tape :)
20:03 Tom_itx haha
20:03 rue_mohr2 I have a short cable on it, its my 10 pin
20:03 rue_mohr2 being that I personally prefer 10 pins
20:04 rue_mohr2 all those china $2.50 m328 boards are 6 pin
20:05 Tom_itx i still got rolls of 4 cond ribbon if you need some
20:05 rue_mohr2 grey tho right?
20:05 Tom_itx yep
20:05 rue_mohr2 a fellow I know has a dropship just over the border
20:05 rue_mohr2 says he picks up 1/mo or so
20:05 Tom_itx cut off from 10 cond i didn't need
20:06 rue_mohr2 I need to build more
20:07 Tom_itx i'll get some gusto one of these days and make some more
20:07 Tom_itx right now i'm kinda burned out with life in general
20:08 rue_mohr2 well I wish I could help
20:08 rue_mohr2 did you know forrest mimms III started his work with computers before microsoft existed?
20:09 Tom_itx no
20:10 Tom_itx hun
20:10 Tom_itx huh
20:10 Tom_itx i got 5 more boxes i could mill
20:10 Tom_itx then i'm out of them
20:11 Tom_itx the mill isn't hooked up. i had to move it
20:14 rue_mohr2 where you gonna eat supper tonight if you set it back up?
20:14 rue_mohr2 ;)
20:14 Tom_itx i had soup already
20:14 rue_mohr2 it was a dinning room table joke
20:14 rue_mohr2 TELunus, hey
20:22 Tom_itx yeah i know
20:48 Tom_L I
20:48 Tom_L > am a big fan of your programmers because of the features and small size
20:48 Tom_L > (compared to Atmel's).
20:49 Tom_L apparently somebody likes em
20:52 rue_mohr2 yep
20:52 rue_mohr2 Tom_itx, you might not like it, but your still the leader
20:53 rue_mohr2 I cant ship from canada or I could steal your design and take over your non-profit operation
20:53 rue_mohr2 ;)
20:53 Tom_itx heh
20:55 Tom_itx you'd be surprised the collection over the course of them
20:55 rue_mohr2 how many you recon you made?
20:55 rue_mohr2 over 1000
20:55 rue_mohr2 er 100
20:57 Tom_itx probably 3-4 hundred
20:57 rue_mohr2 pretty good for a home operation
20:57 rue_mohr2 how many fit int eh oven at once? 20?
20:57 Tom_itx i was keeping a running count but didn't keep up on it
20:58 Tom_itx i solder and place maybe 6 at a time because of room on the desk but i bake maybe 2 or 3 rows of them
20:58 Tom_itx so 12-18 or so at a time
20:58 rue_mohr2 huh, there aren't constant current boost supplies on ebay
20:59 rue_mohr2 oh I should work on my oven
20:59 rue_mohr2 I'll prolyl need it one day
21:00 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/boards/reflow/cooling.jpg
21:00 Tom_itx about that many
21:00 rue_mohr2 my old one is a pile of equipemtn that needs to be moved carefully
21:00 rue_mohr2 clean pan...
21:00 Tom_itx if i ever quit for good i'll send you mine
21:00 Tom_itx it's new
21:00 rue_mohr2 bottom heat?
21:00 Tom_itx both
21:01 Tom_itx 4 element
21:01 rue_mohr2 top heat never burned anything?
21:01 Tom_itx i don't use the pan in the oven
21:01 Tom_itx nope
21:01 rue_mohr2 ah
21:01 rue_mohr2 hmm
21:01 Tom_itx they sit in the middle
21:01 rue_mohr2 my old oven scortches things
21:01 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/boards/reflow/cooking.JPG
21:01 Tom_itx just like that
21:02 rue_mohr2 hmm ma had a electronic toaster oven
21:02 rue_mohr2 I was gonna try and snag it
21:02 Tom_itx the timer is the on off switch
21:02 Tom_itx the avr does the baking
21:02 rue_mohr2 yea
21:02 Tom_itx i just left it wired up and turn it all the way on
21:03 rue_mohr2 SSR?
21:03 Tom_itx triac
21:03 rue_mohr2 on off, proportionate?
21:03 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/toaster_oven_index.php
21:04 Tom_itx PID ish
21:04 rue_mohr2 mine uses a industrial temp controller, there is a serial port for setting the paramiters, I meant to set up some software for profileing
21:04 Tom_itx i can post what i have
21:04 Tom_itx i didn't write it
21:04 Tom_itx inflex did
21:04 Tom_itx we made them together
21:04 rue_mohr2 whats it capable of?
21:05 Tom_itx i modded it for mine
21:05 rue_mohr2 hah, 2313 lcd controller
21:05 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/avr/Toasteroven/
21:05 Tom_itx ha it was already there
21:06 Tom_itx then the 2313 code for the display
21:06 rue_mohr2 heh, put a solinoid ont eh bell...
21:06 Tom_itx he was gonna put a servo on the door with a fan
21:07 Tom_itx i don't think he ever did
21:07 Tom_itx i just open the door and put a small 9" fan on it
21:07 Tom_itx for a few sec
21:07 rue_mohr2 your operate both elements togethor?
21:07 Tom_itx 2 and 2
21:07 rue_mohr2 oh no, I see
21:07 Tom_itx when i did mine i forgot he was on 220v
21:07 Tom_itx so my triacs are too small
21:08 Tom_itx so i split them into 2
21:08 Tom_itx 2 io pins instead of one
21:09 rue_mohr2 m168, I think I ahve one...
21:09 rue_mohr2 huh, PT100
21:09 rue_mohr2 odd, I think...
21:09 Tom_itx very linear
21:09 Tom_itx you can use the 1.1v internal reference and it works just fine
21:10 Tom_itx probably not perfect for a NASA app but it does reflow just fine
21:10 rue_mohr2 I do, I got one with a 4-20mA module
21:10 rue_mohr2 and then it wasn't suitable for what I was gonna use it for
21:11 rue_mohr2 so its in the "usefull things I may never use" box
21:11 Tom_itx i've recently tossed a few of those
21:12 rue_mohr2 and I have reams of MOC3010
21:12 rue_mohr2 I should paypal you $10 to send me envelopes of small parts your done with
21:12 rue_mohr2 hmm, well, thats verry buildable
21:13 Tom_itx got a whole box of maxim samples
21:14 rue_mohr2 there, see, that would ship easy
21:18 Tom_itx rue_mohr2 you should really consider a project to peddle
21:19 Tom_itx over the course, it didn't seem like much but it kept me busy and doing what i used to like
21:22 rue_mohr2 yea, I'm not good at feeding the masses
21:22 rue_mohr2 and shipping from canada REALLY sucks
21:22 rue_mohr2 it basically makes in infeasable to sell anything
21:24 Tom_itx i get 7 for shipping everywhere
21:25 Tom_itx it now costs me that to ship overseas
21:25 rue_mohr2 yea, I cant even get lunch for that
21:25 Tom_itx i make it up on the average
21:25 Tom_itx a year or so ago our overseas postage tripled
21:26 Tom_itx anything else would just be prohibitive
21:26 Tom_itx like fedex or ups
21:32 Tom_itx any word from kat?
21:54 rue_mohr2 no