#garfield Logs
Jan 02 2014
#garfield Calendar
00:10 tsmeow-afk sits for a mi
00:11 katsmeow-afk it gets real dusty upstairs , all over, when cleaning up old bedframe
00:16 rue_house the shop attracts an amazing amount of dust
00:17 katsmeow-afk in summer it's easy to turn on the fan in that room, and suck most of it out onto the roof
00:19 tsmeow-afk writes on her paw a
00:22 katsmeow-afk pics?
00:22 rue_house its still unlaoding last year
00:26 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/avr/lcd3.jpg I was playing with lcd's
00:26 rue_house I got all those working
00:26 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/avr/lcd2.jpg <- this one is from a nortel phone, it was the most obscure one to get working
00:26 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/avr/lcd1.jpg <-- this one was my favorite
00:27 katsmeow-afk lotta letters
00:27 katsmeow-afk ebay?
00:27 rue_house no, scrounged
00:27 rue_house I think that ones from a copier or printer
00:28 katsmeow-afk those are some awefully big heatsinks for only 2 trasistors *at one end*
00:28 rue_house there was one other obscure one from a dell server, got it working too
00:28 rue_house heheh
00:29 rue_house I cant wait to be abel to set up and work them
00:29 rue_house +-24V supply
00:31 rue_house its still copying the videos...
00:31 rue_house did you see my latest youtube video?
00:31 katsmeow-afk no
00:31 rue_house no audio req'd
00:31 katsmeow-afk oh, snack is done, bbiaf
00:33 katsmeow-afk bak
00:33 rue_house http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0L-iOu-ipI
00:34 katsmeow-afk crp, haveto dl it and watch when dl is done
00:35 katsmeow-afk 8 minutes
00:36 rue_house hmm
00:36 rue_house they pulled browser support, or they threatened to
00:36 katsmeow-afk well, i can't watch it n FF
00:43 katsmeow-afk looking
00:46 katsmeow-afk but yanking all th ecabes won't make the backlite come on
00:46 rue_house I dont know if you get the annotations, without the audio, they are kinda important
00:46 katsmeow-afk no
00:46 rue_house oh :/
00:50 katsmeow-afk you pull a lot of boards out, but don't get caps off them, why not?
00:50 rue_house dosn't have the right caps
00:50 rue_house all 6.2V
00:53 katsmeow-afk wait, you fix it so it works, then toss the lcd?
00:53 rue_house :D
00:53 rue_house isn't that evil?
00:53 katsmeow-afk yeas, pricey too
00:53 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050724.jpg
00:54 rue_house no I have tonnes of them
00:54 katsmeow-afk i has one with a trashed display, i could use
00:54 rue_house I wasn't even gonna fix them I have so many, I was going ot just recycle them, so I didn't care
00:54 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050725.jpg
00:54 katsmeow-afk still have the one with the knifed screen (thru to gouging off lcd cells even)
00:54 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050726.jpg
00:54 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050727.jpg
00:55 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050728.jpg
00:55 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050729.jpg
00:55 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050730.jpg
00:55 katsmeow-afk but how do you keep the backlite on?
00:56 katsmeow-afk mine all go dark and the whole thing powers off if there's no video
00:56 rue_house that particular display dosn't go to sleep
00:56 katsmeow-afk aaahh
00:56 rue_house I wanted to ditcht he controller, but I couldn't simulate the "ON" signal properly
00:57 rue_house it wouldn't like me, dispite the signals just being dc voltages (one power signal grounded and a brightness signal around .084V)
00:58 katsmeow-afk rue, that's an awefully slow turn off
00:58 rue_house yup
00:59 katsmeow-afk got an actual schematic?
00:59 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050724.jpg
01:00 rue_house the only thing I changed was the pulldown, to 620R
01:00 katsmeow-afk ah, 1k pulldown
01:00 rue_house its the thruhole one
01:00 rue_house the scope was with 1k
01:00 rue_house (and fet installed)
01:01 rue_house its not meant to be an awesome driver, its meant to be quick/dirty
01:01 rue_house otherwise I'd have class B'd it
01:01 katsmeow-afk 12ma pulldown
01:02 rue_house tho I ahve to wonder how well a cmos gate would work for low freq switching
01:02 katsmeow-afk 4066?
01:02 rue_house I didn't think of folding over the transistors when I designed the board, it just worked
01:03 rue_house you know, I dont even know if a dip8 could be smaller than that board
01:04 rue_house hmm what current can a 2n7000 take?
01:04 katsmeow-afk got any zeners over 3.3v?
01:05 katsmeow-afk 2n7000 200ma
01:05 rue_house I think I have lots of 3.3
01:05 rue_house hmm
01:05 katsmeow-afk is the input to the pcb ttl?
01:05 rue_house 200ma > 12ma
01:05 rue_house is 1k drive on a npn
01:05 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/circuits/fetdrive/p1050724.jpg
01:05 katsmeow-afk yeas, there's 2 1k resistors, what do you feed the input
01:06 rue_house 2n7000 "can deliver pulsed currents up to 2A"
01:06 rue_house ah, ttl, yes
01:06 katsmeow-afk continuous 200ma, pulsed 500ma
01:06 katsmeow-afk 3.5v ttl? 4.5v ttl?
01:07 rue_house well, technically, from an avr, its pretty close to 5V high
01:07 katsmeow-afk Drain Current
01:07 katsmeow-afk Continuous
01:07 katsmeow-afk Pulsed
01:07 katsmeow-afk ID
01:07 katsmeow-afk IDM
01:07 katsmeow-afk 200
01:07 katsmeow-afk 500
01:07 katsmeow-afk mAdc
01:07 katsmeow-afk ok, hook up a zener from the ,, umm, shit, an avr
01:08 rue_house load and controller share ground too
01:08 katsmeow-afk if it was real ttl, i'd say hook up a 3.3 from the input (before the first 1k resistor) to the mosfet gate
01:09 katsmeow-afk i spose you could hook it up from the fist transistor base to the mosfet gate and be ok
01:09 katsmeow-afk the point is the base drive goes to zero, and a zener to the gate will yank it down pretty well to ~3.5v , which means it will cut the mosfet off faster
01:10 rue_house I didn't want inversion
01:10 katsmeow-afk it won't be inverting anything
01:10 katsmeow-afk leave all your circuit as is
01:10 rue_house I see what you mean tho
01:10 katsmeow-afk well, maybe put a 1k tween the pnp-c and the gate
01:11 rue_house little larger to keep it under 3V
01:11 katsmeow-afk ok, well, there's always alternatives, if it works as is, leave it as is :-)
01:11 rue_house its not meant to be awesome
01:11 rue_house just handy
01:12 tsmeow-afk
01:12 rue_house I dont understand why there is no sip4 chip that does a better job
01:12 katsmeow-afk a smd 741 would prolly do just fine and be less rom than two to-92
01:13 rue_house an amp crossed my mind too
01:13 rue_house the LM386 prolly has a good drive on it
01:14 rue_house I suppose eather could be set up as a comparitor to flip the gate up and down
01:14 katsmeow-afk use it as a comparator, set (-)(or (+) as you wish) to 2.5v with a couple resistors, drive the other input, the output will drive to 10v at least, and to 2v, good turnon/off voltages
01:15 katsmeow-afk one smd-8 , two resistors
01:15 rue_house I'll see if I can play with that idea on the bench tommorow
01:17 katsmeow-afk wanna get rid of that lcd like http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/avr/lcd1.jpg ?
01:18 katsmeow-afk one sure winter project now is making a radio wireless to a handheld controller, and i don't have a display in mind yet
01:19 katsmeow-afk was thinking of something like http://www.ebay.com/itm/310333121059 , but i'd haveto make ntsc in the handheld to use it
01:19 katsmeow-afk and, altho color would be great, it's $22
01:19 katsmeow-afk there's smaller ones, and bigger ones, for cheaper
01:20 rue_bed I want to hold on to that one
01:20 katsmeow-afk i don't blame you, good show there
01:21 katsmeow-afk hmm @ http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5-Inch-TFT-LCD-Display-CHIMEI-LQ035NC111-/231112766134
01:22 katsmeow-afk can that be hacked and it's drive signals discovered?
01:22 rue_bed http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-X-20-LCD-CHARACTER-DISPLAY-19243-/221116733835
01:23 katsmeow-afk the color one is $13
01:23 katsmeow-afk lotta signals , looks like
01:23 rue_bed character lcd's are much easier to use than graphic ones
01:23 rue_bed lots of the graphics ones need continious refresh too
01:23 katsmeow-afk true, but *color* , if it's important can make the test red
01:23 rue_bed I almost pulled it off on an avr with a small monochrome screen
01:24 rue_bed I was thinking of trying again with some dual ported ram
01:25 katsmeow-afk Input Interface Digital 24-bit RGB/SERIAL
01:25 katsmeow-afk RGB/CCIR656/CCIR601
01:25 rue_bed http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-20x4-or-4x20-Character-LCD-Display-Yellow-Backlight-with-FREE-Source-Code-/390629221388
01:25 katsmeow-afk found the data sheet on it!
01:26 rue_bed the nokia ones have a controller built in taht can do things like draw lines
01:26 rue_bed and circles
01:26 rue_bed iirc
01:27 rue_bed oooh k, I have to wake up at 6:15am tommorow
01:28 rue_bed I woke up today at 2pm
01:28 rue_bed this is gonna *hurt*
01:28 katsmeow-afk digital serial rgb smells like vga
01:28 rue_bed I encourage you to make a lightbox!
01:29 rue_bed I'm thinking of starting a page of things to do with a lightbox
01:29 rue_bed so far, I ahve tracing, checking pcb
01:29 katsmeow-afk prolly will, i have some heavy plexi i bought just for that, altho i was gonna use a couple 13w cfl in an actual box
01:29 katsmeow-afk got plenty of glass too
01:29 rue_bed so far, I ahve tracing, checking pcb's for shorts, and aligning templates to metal
01:29 rue_bed I just used the monitor cause they were on the out bin
01:29 katsmeow-afk i useto work at a 3x4ft lite table
01:30 rue_bed I have a livingroom half full of working ones
01:30 rue_bed nice
01:30 rue_bed with a drafting arm? :)
01:31 katsmeow-afk no, but lotas other toys, it was for pcb layout, had .1 grid
01:32 rue_bed :) and various rolls of tape and donuts?
01:32 katsmeow-afk did the hand layut , then went over with mylar and tape
01:32 katsmeow-afk yep
01:32 katsmeow-afk cannot buy that stuff any more :-((
01:32 rue_bed I'd like to have a photosetup for that
01:33 rue_bed 2:1 scale?
01:33 tsmeow-afk
01:33 katsmeow-afk we did some 16" wide pcb
01:33 rue_bed bigguns
01:34 rue_bed I'v never needed more than about 4"
01:34 katsmeow-afk yeas, 16" at 2:1 is a 32" layout
01:34 rue_bed I have a 48"x48" clad sheet in the back livingroom
01:34 katsmeow-afk this was back in the day when the fab house charged per hole
01:34 rue_bed I dont want to even guess what thats worth new
01:35 rue_bed hah, smt :)
01:35 katsmeow-afk there was no smd back then, cept *really* pricy mil flatpacks
01:36 e_bed bends the pins of a dip outwards and leaves a note to the layout eng. to mirror the pi
01:36 katsmeow-afk that color lcd is rgb in *parallel* , there's 24 color lines into it
01:36 rue_bed huh
01:36 rue_bed I'm gonna roll over for a bit, catch ya when I roll back again
01:36 katsmeow-afk yeas, i did stunts like that too, got yelled at for it, ditto cutting unused leads off the chip (or it's socket
01:37 katsmeow-afk ok
01:37 rue_bed heh
01:37 katsmeow-afk IF select serial RGB or CCIR601/656 input mode is selected,only DX0-DX7 used,and the other short to GND, Only
01:37 katsmeow-afk selected serial RGB.CCIR601/656 interface,DX BUS will enable,Digital input mode DX0 is LSB and DX7 is MSB.
01:38 katsmeow-afk so it will do 6wire rgb like vga, or parallel on 24 lines
01:42 katsmeow-afk i bet it will not mind if i bitmapped the display and drove it sideways into the display, that way it will fit in a tek plugin space :-)
10:12 katsmeow-afk "Used, has moderate ware visible. "
10:13 katsmeow-afk "Please look at picture, this camera is 4 INCHES WIDE"
10:16 katsmeow-afk if someone doesn't know the difference between "ware" and "wear" (or "were" and "where"?, or "we're"?) how can they communicate? if i asked how much "wear", would they say "you do not wear this camera"?
10:19 katsmeow-afk "what other wares have you for sale?" "we don't sail clothes"
13:01 katsmeow-afk ok, fire extinguisher in the truck, bike tire pump in the truck, banging-slamming 5th wheel hitch cover removed (drove hinge pins out), battery out of the car, charger connected and tyrapped into the truck and plugged in (it's anyone's guess if it's charging), mouse food put under hood of car, bridge crane battery on charger and plugged in (it's anyone's guess if it's charging),,
13:01 katsmeow-afk gotta remove the battery from the mower, move water from overfilled 3000 gal outside tank into the cellar tank, cut and weld steel, take a few breaks, empty buckets, etc etc
16:26 tsmeow-afk looks exhau
20:51 katsmeow-afk 1,0<COUGH>
20:51 katsmeow-afk 1,0<COUGH>
20:51 katsmeow-afk 1,0<cough>
20:51 katsmeow-afk 14,0<cough>
20:52 katsmeow-afk 15,0<cough>
20:52 katsmeow-afk
20:52 tsmeow-afk expects only herself and Tom saw that corre
20:56 Tom_itx you got a bad cough
20:57 katsmeow-afk i was just listening to the echo 14 echo 15 echo
20:57 tsmeow-afk is assuming you allow mirc color codes to o
20:59 katsmeow-afk North Dakota regulators had said last month that they were considering crafting a report to disprove that hauling the state's crude by rail is dangerously explosive. On Thursday, state officials said those plans (to pull 'proof' out of their butts by magic) had been dropped in the aftermath of the Casselton derailment.
21:00 katsmeow-afk The state's oil production is now pegged at about 1 million barrels daily, and the state's sweet crude is increasingly moving by rail to feed refineries on the East, West and Gulf coasts.
21:09 tsmeow-afk ponders calling someone a postpubescent exothermic bipedal hominid , but that might get her assau
21:15 katsmeow-afk i think if i had read the tags first, i wouldn't have read the news item......... Tags : eel, Sex, animal cruelty, Asian swamp eel, Animals, eel in butt, anus, colon, Surgery, china
21:17 katsmeow-afk "All Nighters Cause Similar Brain Damage As Blows To The Head" , where "all nighters" means "not sleeping"
21:26 katsmeow-afk "Taking Valproate During Pregnancy Linked to a Three-Fold Increase in Children with Autism" well freaking DUH ,, that's as bad as prescribing Buspar as a constant dose over time
21:26 katsmeow-afk (not that i am a doctor)
21:27 katsmeow-afk both drugs selectively fry the brain, selectively frying the portions in use at the time the drug is in the brain, as if the brain is trying to use the drug as fuel
21:28 katsmeow-afk if you continually fry the portions that are in overuse, those portions making "mental health symptoms", you *will* be causing physical defects
21:33 katsmeow-afk hmm, wikipedia has no entry for dehydrocorybulbine
21:36 katsmeow-afk it's beena known substance since at least 1904
21:38 katsmeow-afk ahh, no wonder : 2,9,10-trimethoxy-13-methyl-5,6-dihydroisoquinolino[2,1-b]isoquinolin-7-ium-3-ol ,, there's no listed suppliers, and by usa law prolly never will be
21:46 katsmeow-afk who was that guy who was in #robotics sometimes, and never spoke?
21:47 katsmeow-afk wow, i wish i had a data logger on the battery just then
21:53 rue_house hi
21:54 katsmeow-afk hi
21:56 rue_house whats on battery?
21:56 rue_house was there a crude rail accident latley?
21:57 katsmeow-afk 2 days ago, train derailed, blew up, in N Dakota, remember?
21:58 rue_house I dont follow news
21:58 rue_house got a good article link?
21:58 katsmeow-afk Tiggr is on ups, power browned out badly, as usual the ups saved the day and the +12vdc sagged badly as it made 120vac
21:58 katsmeow-afk rue we talked about it in here
21:59 katsmeow-afk .. Midnight, start of Wednesday 1/1/2014 ..
21:59 katsmeow-afk [00:43] <katsmeow-afk> you hear about the train crash carrying crude oil in North Dalota usa?
22:00 rue_house http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/all-clear-coming-for-north-dakota-town-near-explosive-oil-train-derailment-1.1612740
22:00 rue_house ?
22:01 katsmeow-afk yeas : http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1612839!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg
22:02 rue_house Shipping oil by pipeline has to be a safer option, McConnell said Tuesday.
22:02 rue_house and when the pipe breaks they dont stop pumping
22:02 rue_house already happened
22:03 katsmeow-afk right
22:04 rue_house I bet the accident was started by a flare...
22:06 katsmeow-afk iirc, the oil train hit another train thatwas previously derailed, or maybe that was anotehr oil train somewhere else
22:07 rue_house hah, they tried to manage it like a pipeline
22:07 rue_house "problem? SEND MORE!"
22:07 rue_house http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirsense/
22:07 rue_house huh
22:10 katsmeow-afk umm, 80 Msps 12-bit ADC on a 204MHz microcontroller http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers/cortex_m4/LPC4370FET256.html ?
22:41 rue_shop3 hmm, design something that uses 4 of one part, build 10 of them, try to work out where all the supplies went
22:42 tsmeow-afk nods sa
22:42 katsmeow-afk grasshopper, this is why when you see a reel of that part for $9 on ebay, you grab it and offer to share with your friends on irc
22:43 e_shop3 oogles into his bin of fet dri
22:44 katsmeow-afk not going to try the plain ole 741? or TL081 / TL071 / TL061 ,, or,, since you are driving many fets, use a couple TL084
22:44 rue_shop3 oh yea, there is that to try too
22:44 katsmeow-afk or LM324
22:44 rue_shop3 smaller
22:44 rue_shop3 small small
22:45 rue_shop3 4 pin sip is perfect
22:45 katsmeow-afk or mc34074
22:45 katsmeow-afk put all the drivers on one board?
22:45 katsmeow-afk ok
22:45 rue_shop3 if I ahve more than 1 per
22:45 katsmeow-afk for cheapness, use a 741
22:45 rue_shop3 but I usually don4
22:47 rue_shop3 gnd-[1k]-*-[3k]-12V
22:47 rue_shop3 * is 3V bias
22:48 katsmeow-afk ok
22:48 rue_shop3 so, I put the input on the ... + input, that on the - input..
22:48 rue_shop3 which means i'm not inverted...
22:48 katsmeow-afk 2 resistors and a smd sop-8 , you need only 1/2 as much board as you are using now
22:48 rue_shop3 its not schmitt, but whatever
22:49 rue_shop3 think I can route that in 0.6x0.6?
22:49 katsmeow-afk you can add one resistoro make it schmitd
22:49 e_shop3 gets a pencil and a scrap of p
22:49 rue_shop3 yea, but then I'd have to calcuate it
22:49 katsmeow-afk i dunno you can route a dip-8 in .6x.6, but a sop-8 yeas
22:50 katsmeow-afk not really, ,, just a lil postive feedback
22:50 rue_shop3 off the top of my hea
22:50 rue_shop3 7 is +
22:50 rue_shop3 4 is -
22:50 rue_shop3 6 is output
22:50 rue_shop3 2 and 3
22:50 katsmeow-afk i dunno, i don't use 741, i just know they exist
22:51 rue_shop3 of 2 and 3 I dont remmeber which is + and - inputs
22:52 rue_shop3 it works if... 2 is -
22:53 katsmeow-afk iirc , you want the mosfet to pull down when you pull the ttl signal down, so you need to drive the opamp (-) input
22:53 rue_shop3 dont wnat it inverted
22:53 rue_shop3 but yea, normally active low
22:53 rue_shop3 I want active high
22:53 katsmeow-afk so put the 3k-1k pair on the (+), and a 10k reistor from 741 output to (+)
22:54 katsmeow-afk umm, errr,,, ok
22:55 katsmeow-afk so when the ttl signal goes high, you want the mosfet to pull down? that *is* inverted
22:56 katsmeow-afk it's exactly what a 7407 does
22:57 rue_shop3 huh
22:57 rue_shop3 but we said opamp cause its 'totempole' output
22:57 katsmeow-afk so put the 3k-1k bias on the (-), drive the ttl thru a 3k to the (+), and add a 47k from opamp output to (+)
22:57 rue_shop3 for schmitt?
22:57 katsmeow-afk ok, then it's exactly what a 7404 does
22:57 katsmeow-afk yeas
22:58 rue_shop3 nono, ttl->12V
22:58 katsmeow-afk a tickle of positive feedback wilmake it jump states
22:58 katsmeow-afk what?
22:58 rue_shop3 the output to the fet gate should be 0->12V
22:58 katsmeow-afk yeas
22:58 katsmeow-afk the output to the fet gate should be 0->12V , but a 7404 is still an invertor
22:59 rue_shop3 yea, but the 7404 wont drive the fet to +12
22:59 katsmeow-afk the moon canbe made of swiss cheese, but the 7404 is still an invertor
22:59 katsmeow-afk i know it won't drive 12v , BUT IT IS STILL AN INVERTOR
22:59 rue_shop3 yup...
23:00 katsmeow-afk you said you did not want the opamp-mosfet to be an invertor
23:00 katsmeow-afk but you do
23:00 rue_shop3 :)
23:00 katsmeow-afk if ttl input goes high, you want the mosfet to pull low
23:00 katsmeow-afk that's an invertor
23:00 rue_shop3 lets say I want the fet driver to be active high
23:00 rue_shop3 wait, we got mixed up
23:00 katsmeow-afk we did?
23:01 rue_shop3 I want input high to cause fet on
23:01 rue_shop3 ^^ I'm sure!
23:01 katsmeow-afk great!
23:01 rue_shop3 I feel like I'm flipflopping, but I have no intention to
23:02 katsmeow-afk so put the 3k-1k 3v bias on the (-), drive the ttl thru a 3k to the (+), and add a 47k from opamp output to (+)
23:05 rue_shop3 ok I have it drawn
23:06 katsmeow-afk might wanna use a 1k to the (+)
23:06 katsmeow-afk depends on how fast you want it to schemidt trigegr
23:06 rue_shop3 are those values via experaince or math? ;)
23:06 katsmeow-afk expereince
23:07 rue_shop3 I trust the experiance more than the math
23:07 katsmeow-afk you need only 100mv of feedback, and you don't wanna be fighting the feedback resistor to toggle it
23:08 rue_shop3 I'll test later, I have an annoyance finding datasheets on my server I want to fix
23:08 katsmeow-afk 47k will pass 0.17ma back to the input, which will affect the 1k feeding from the ttl by 0.17v
23:08 katsmeow-afk that's entirely acceptable
23:09 rue_shop3 :)
23:14 rue_shop3 join ##php
23:14 rue_shop3 udhsadf
23:14 katsmeow-afk ok
23:16 rue_shop3 I'm trying to hack something that will give me a searchbox and links for data shets on tehwebserver
23:17 katsmeow-afk if they are all in one dir, then doa dir /B > dir.txt , and use your fav langage to wrap the names in html, open with a browser
23:18 katsmeow-afk or, see if your ftp to the dir with your browser
23:18 katsmeow-afk or heck, select "show dir as ftp" in the browser, and just open the dir in it
23:20 katsmeow-afk if i drag my desktop /chips link to a browser window it shows me a ftp hot-clickable table of all the files in that dir, and subdirs
23:21 rue_shop3 I'm just making a php script on the server to use its command line file finder and make a link that can be clicked on
23:21 katsmeow-afk all the pdf open in adobe, the .txt open in textpad, and i can click "open to new tab" for htm/l files
23:21 katsmeow-afk k
23:33 katsmeow-afk according to http://images.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USGA0132 , it's snowing here atm
23:35 katsmeow-afk i wish i could findmy ducttape
23:35 katsmeow-afk oh man my legs have given out
23:42 rue_shop3 my browser is ignoring links called file://files/foo dispite the fact they are valid and work it doen menaully