#garfield Logs

Dec 11 2013

01:06 katsmeow-afk so i made a set of new jaw faces for the vise on the floor drill press, and discovered i need several other jaw faces to hold stuff in other shapes and positions
01:14 tsmeow-afk cusses at explorer some
01:27 rue_house I worked on some code a little
01:27 rue_house to test the android for doing stuffs
01:27 rue_house tiem to go to bed!
01:31 katsmeow-afk http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/e3c0272ee05ea3ba6e71a9d9f102f7e0059f5c02/c=4-0-2048-1536&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/12/10//1386704159000-Amazon.jpg
01:32 katsmeow-afk http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/6596ed3f939bdfffc26f9f65353b18dbc6fcc14a/c=0-0-2048-1536&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/12/06//1386360204000-ColeDrone.jpg
01:46 katsmeow-afk http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/13/robot-suicide-roomba-hotplate-burns-up_n_4268064.html?utm_hp_ref=smarter-ideas
01:48 rue_house wow, tooo much scripting on that page!
01:49 rue_bed gnight
01:49 rue_bed oh damn, I needed to finish the kitty litter
02:14 katsmeow-afk "finish" it?
02:16 katsmeow-afk i still say the mowerbot should be tasked with litter disposal, possibly by throwing it at the bear
05:42 katsmeow-afk .
08:59 rue_house I didn't properly clean it out yet, just the top
15:41 tsmeow-afk grabs two of rue's printer mechanisms, installs them on each side of the litter box, attaches a garden rake between them, and a t13 to make the printer servos run a couple times when a cat has left the
15:45 tsmeow-afk adjusts the rake as appropriate to be able to lift, and an upturn at the end of travel to lift the contents up and out of the litter box and into a separate container with a hinged lid, which just might allow the contents to fall out a scrap length of 3" pvc pipe to the great outd
16:19 Tom_L http://www.electronicproducts.com/Power_Products/Power_and_Control/Electric_car_owner_arrested_for_stealing_0_05_worth_of_power_from_school.aspx
18:09 tsmeow-afk
18:10 katsmeow-afk did you get your car electrical fixed? what was the cause?
18:10 Tom_itx new battery
18:10 katsmeow-afk seriously?
18:11 katsmeow-afk the alternator could not keep the voltage up if you turned on the headlites, so it popped breakers? what?
18:11 Tom_itx then 2 days ago i had to get another one for the other car
18:11 Tom_itx so 2 new batteries @ $75 ea
19:45 katsmeow-afk "so the cats flipped over the automatic litterbox rake, and now they are taking turns laying under it getting their backs scratched"
19:48 katsmeow-afk my camera, mailed from Atlanta Ga, December 3, scheduled for Dec 4 delivery, is still in San Juan, Puerto Rico
20:04 katsmeow-afk has anyone else noted that China shipping times are now : Estimated between Tue. Dec. 31 and Wed. Jan. 29
20:04 katsmeow-afk that includes Hong Kong and Malaysia
20:05 Tom_itx get it done before the chinese new year or you'll wait alot longer
20:05 Tom_itx mine is due 14-23 iirc
20:10 katsmeow-afk woo, prices have tanked on items of this sort : http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-AC-SSR-Solid-State-Relay-40A-DC-4-32V-24-480V-AC-Heat-Sink/271231725184
20:10 katsmeow-afk that's just about the price of the heatsink,, i think someone figured out the scr isn't 40amp *continuous*
20:10 katsmeow-afk or triac
22:28 rue_shop2 "hmm, I appear to be on fire..."
22:29 rue_shop2 DOES NOT SHIP TO CANADIA
22:30 katsmeow-afk looks at all the sellers of that item that DO ship to Canadaia, for FREE even!
22:31 katsmeow-afk it's just i looked at athat one becuse shipping on everything to usa from outside is now over 45 days,, i can pretty much go get it from china myself with a sailbot, if i had a sailbot
22:33 Tom_itx rue_shop2, ship it to kat, maybe you'll get it anyway
22:34 rue_house ah
22:34 Tom_itx some Puerto Rican is apparently enjoying her camera
22:34 rue_house ahh
22:35 Tom_itx talk to jakeoshadow in robotics about his math
22:35 katsmeow-afk they'll prolly delete all the pics if they ever send it to me :-/
22:35 tsmeow-afk has a math pro
22:36 katsmeow-afk it's real basic math
22:36 katsmeow-afk given a cylinder 8ft around, it's 2.5ft dia, yeas?
22:37 katsmeow-afk so it's got a surface area at the end of 5 sq feet, yeas?
22:37 rue_house zippo:/files/programming/c/avr/tiny13/kat# circle -d 8
22:37 rue_house Radius is : 4.000000
22:37 rue_house Diameter is: 8.000000
22:37 rue_house Circumfrence is : 25.132742
22:37 rue_house Area is : 50.265484
22:37 rue_house Sphere area: 201.061935
22:37 rue_house Sphere volume: 268.082581
22:37 Tom_itx mostly 8
22:37 rue_house oh wrong one
22:37 katsmeow-afk and if it's 4ft long, it holds 20cu ft, yeas?
22:37 Tom_itx 7.8
22:37 rue_house zippo:/files/programming/c/avr/tiny13/kat# circle -c 8
22:37 rue_house Radius is : 1.273239
22:37 rue_house Diameter is: 2.546479
22:37 rue_house Circumfrence is : 8.000000
22:37 rue_house Area is : 5.092958
22:37 rue_house Sphere area: 20.371832
22:37 rue_house Sphere volume: 8.646073
22:37 katsmeow-afk and if water weights 64lbs per cu ft, that's 1,280 lbs, yeas?
22:38 katsmeow-afk where have i gone wrong?
22:38 rue_house zippo:/files/programming/c/avr/tiny13/kat# calc 5.09*4
22:38 rue_house cubic feet
22:38 katsmeow-afk what?
22:39 rue_house You have: 20.36 feet3
22:39 rue_house You want: liters
22:39 rue_house * 576.531
22:39 katsmeow-afk I want: pounds of water
22:39 Tom_itx no
22:39 rue_house You have: 576.53kg
22:39 rue_house You want: lbs
22:39 rue_house * 1271.0311
22:39 Tom_itx i just want sleep
22:40 rue_house katsmeow-afk, so, your about right, yes
22:41 katsmeow-afk i want to know how the USCG retiring 50 cruisers, and replacing them with $2 billion worth of six 350ft long destroyers, will stop a Iranian with a suitcase nuke from paddling a kayak up the Potomic
22:41 rue_house you ever seen the mess a cruzer names when it hits a kayak?
22:42 katsmeow-afk they will apparently protect the entire Pacific with 3 boats, theentire east coast with 3 boats, and shuttle one into the gulf periodically
22:42 katsmeow-afk sure, but they won't be anywhere near it at the spacing they'll have tween the crusers
22:42 rue_house why do you want to know what the water tank weighs?
22:42 katsmeow-afk because the water tank weight is just about it's floatation value too
22:43 rue_house indeed
22:43 katsmeow-afk and if it can be made with 4 bags of cement, for under $30, i wanna know whyt he heck no one is doing it that way
22:43 rue_house ...
22:43 rue_house your casting the cement in hot water tanks?
22:43 Tom_itx btw, howd you come out on getting your aluminum pontoons?
22:44 katsmeow-afk i said "i want those, how much", and he said "$180", and i said "can i date the check for December?" and he said "yes"
22:45 katsmeow-afk praps i did not understand the question
22:45 Tom_itx did you get them?
22:45 katsmeow-afk rue, is Tom still breathing? did i anser ok?
22:45 katsmeow-afk yeas
22:45 katsmeow-afk that's how i got the pics of them in my driveway
22:45 Tom_itx that was all
22:45 Tom_itx oh
22:45 Tom_itx i failed to look
22:46 katsmeow-afk i gave you the url,, it was last week
22:46 rue_house if at first no success, dry and dry again
22:46 Tom_itx i slept since then
22:46 katsmeow-afk [21:22] <katsmeow-afk> you know i no longer have the lil boat i built from hot water heaters...... today i got a 16ft pontoon boat for $180, some work required : http://designerthinking.com/boatstuff.html
22:46 rue_house OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo
22:47 rue_house and the flatbed is running!
22:47 tsmeow-afk
22:47 rue_house nice trailer, did you buy it or paint it?
22:47 katsmeow-afk i dread laying out $200 pe rear tire soon, there's 4 of them
22:47 katsmeow-afk i built that trailer ~6 yrs ago
22:47 rue_house single it up
22:47 Tom_itx 2.5ton?
22:47 rue_house people do it here all the itme
22:48 katsmeow-afk Tom, which?
22:48 Tom_itx flatbed
22:48 katsmeow-afk i have anotehr axle to go under the trailer
22:48 rue_house kat, is there 1 or two of them?
22:48 katsmeow-afk 3500HD 6.4L diesel
22:48 katsmeow-afk rue one or two of which?
22:48 rue_house 6.4L, there are hungrier
22:48 rue_house tires
22:48 katsmeow-afk 4 on the rear axle
22:49 Tom_itx i'm so tired i was staring at the first pic thinking that was it...
22:49 Tom_itx gnite
22:49 rue_house you can drop the inner two tho, yes?
22:49 rue_house get them if you need to load it up
22:49 katsmeow-afk i dunno if that's legal, and i wouldn't wanna if i have a load on it, and *all* the rear are wearing thin
22:50 rue_house I think its legal here if you completely ditch the tire
22:50 rue_house what kinda water leaves a brown stain on aluminum
22:51 Tom_itx southern water
22:51 rue_house ...above the waterline
22:51 Tom_itx that's why they sing about 'ole black water....
22:51 rue_house kat, looks like there is a small hole in the back, mind that
22:51 katsmeow-afk i don't know that it wasn't upside down in the water, likeTom said, this is the south
22:51 rue_house middle of the transom
22:51 rue_house heh
22:51 katsmeow-afk yeas, "some work required"
22:52 rue_house how thicks the skin?
22:52 katsmeow-afk i had pics of the truck online years ago, truckindriveway.html is dated 10/13/2011
22:52 katsmeow-afk ~.080, maybe .100
22:52 rue_house page not found
22:53 Tom_itx Tom_itx not found
22:53 Tom_itx gnite
22:53 rue_house good knight
22:53 katsmeow-afk good nite
22:54 rue_house not soon
22:57 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/liltrailer.html
22:57 rue_house it dosn't look built heavy enough for you to have made it from scratch
22:58 katsmeow-afk what?
22:58 katsmeow-afk it's 850lbs, empty
22:58 rue_house erp I think I'm wrong
22:59 rue_house welding over a bucket of water, wish I thoght of that
22:59 katsmeow-afk add the 2nd axle, a winch, some odds and ends, it will prolly be at 1200 lbs empty
22:59 rue_house the towels I used cuaght fire
23:00 katsmeow-afk towels? you can't use those, they catch fire
23:00 rue_house they do!
23:00 katsmeow-afk i needed a way to keep the steel shaft i was welding to NOT melt the rubber rollers on the shaft
23:02 katsmeow-afk i have absoluetly nothing left of that folding pontoon boat , cept the straps that held the toons to the deck
23:02 rue_house none of my ebay things are arriving
23:03 katsmeow-afk btw, if you knew more about the trailer, you wold notice the hitch in the very first pic is on the rear of the trailer, it's reversable, as well as being tiltable
23:05 katsmeow-afk see the ears at the corners of the first pic? they "shade" the taillites, see the trailer pics on http://designerthinking.com/TheLaunching.html
23:05 rue_house it looks alot like the general boat trailer design I see around
23:06 rue_house but I did have something telling me it was front/back somehow
23:07 katsmeow-afk see the winch on http://designerthinking.com/images/TheLaunching/DSCF1109.jpg , it was to pull the bottom of th sail mast , which would ride in a collar on the front A-frame, to hoist it into position
23:07 katsmeow-afk teh hull numbers are the state-inspected and titled boat numbers i got on it
23:08 rue_house what was the reason you scrapped it?
23:08 katsmeow-afk dogs
23:09 rue_house but
23:09 katsmeow-afk i had to leave the two toons in Fla because i could not get them back onto the trailer
23:09 rue_house oh
23:09 katsmeow-afk the deck etc were scrapped because dogs would not let me launch the boat
23:11 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/Little%20Boat.html
23:13 katsmeow-afk between dogs and humans, i have lost every nice thing i have ever built
23:14 katsmeow-afk and i've pretty much lost the house, considering i cannot use the land, because of dogs
23:14 rue_house so many people just turn to a shooting rampage to solve that
23:15 katsmeow-afk afaik, if i ever want to open a front door to a place i own, without a gun in my hand, i haveto be on a boat out in the ocean
23:16 katsmeow-afk which is round about back tot he water tank stuff, clustering 20 such tanks around a 24ft pole, and using 4 poles, i could make a nice stable platform out of reach of waves, each pole good for 10 tons floatation
23:18 katsmeow-afk a 16x16ft steel cabin will start out at 2.5 tons, and likely end up at 8 tons, at which point i add a few more poles
23:19 katsmeow-afk i have shown i can build and operate a steel boat, just haveto get away from humans in one
23:19 rue_house I'm gradually making progress on your code
23:20 tsmeow-afk points to http://www.seasteading.org/forum-list/topic/resources-on-basic-principles-of-flotation-stability-and-fluid-dynamics-part2/
23:21 katsmeow-afk follow thru to page 2 there also
23:21 katsmeow-afk also : http://www.seasteading.org/forum-list/topic/shipping-containers/
23:23 katsmeow-afk http://floatliving.com/vessels.html
23:24 rue_house hehe kat has me coding in asm
23:24 katsmeow-afk there's a guy not far from you up there building floating houses, even selling them in the usa : http://blog.buildllc.com/2008/07/floating-houses/
23:25 katsmeow-afk nice pics of floating houses too, but they are good only on really calm lakes
23:25 rue_house in SOME areas people can avoid land tax
23:26 tsmeow-afk
23:26 rue_house http://buildllc.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/houseboat-by-drew-heath.jpg
23:26 rue_house like that one
23:26 katsmeow-afk Copyright 2013 International Floatation Systems Inc.
23:26 katsmeow-afk 9365 River Road, Delta (Vancouver), B.C. Canada, V4G 1B4 | Email: imfs@floatingstructures.com
23:26 rue_house most of the designs are nice and open
23:27 tsmeow-afk
23:28 katsmeow-afk problem is *all* the places the humans are building put the living space right down where a 5ft wave can totally destroy the space, so taking it out to the ocean is impossible
23:29 rue_house yep
23:29 katsmeow-afk if it's on an inland river or lake, it can cost more in rent and permittinf fees than buying land in the desert
23:29 rue_house thats part of why I like that one, it is most capable, up to about a 10" wave
23:29 katsmeow-afk besides, who wants to be rolled out of bed a dozen times a nite by a drunk asshole in a loud speedboat making waves?
23:29 rue_house you have seen my moms?
23:30 katsmeow-afk yeas, they are *nice*
23:30 katsmeow-afk lots of plants
23:32 katsmeow-afk i came up with a boat plan for a very lightweight multi-toon deck that is only like 3 *inches* thick when on the truck, but with a winch unfolds 6 toons,, but it isn't refoldable then
23:34 katsmeow-afk the deck would be good for 1/2 ton per linear foot of deck, so a 24ft long deck would hold 12 tons
23:36 katsmeow-afk if i can float out a deck with a house on it, or buildable on it, then set up the tower submerged so it's weightless in the water, float the house-barge over it, and then float the tower up, i'll be sitting pretty
23:41 rue_house would you like to pour over some assembly and the tiny13 datasheets?
23:42 katsmeow-afk pour what over them?
23:42 rue_house your eyes
23:42 katsmeow-afk oh no! my eyes!
23:43 katsmeow-afk Verb
23:43 katsmeow-afk pore (third-person singular simple present pores, present participle poring, simple past and past participle pored)
23:43 katsmeow-afk to study meticulously; to go over again and again.
23:43 katsmeow-afk to meditate or reflect in a steady way.
23:43 katsmeow-afk Derived terms
23:43 katsmeow-afk pore over
23:44 rue_house huh
23:44 katsmeow-afk my intest was to study the asm untill i knew every bit (ha) of it
23:44 katsmeow-afk intent
23:44 katsmeow-afk interest
23:44 katsmeow-afk ergo: a new word: inest
23:44 katsmeow-afk intest
23:45 rue_house wow, this is the strangest temp curve I'v ever seen for the storage tank
23:45 rue_house its a perfectly straight line to 37c, then it goes horizontal
23:46 katsmeow-afk something is broken
23:46 rue_house /--------
23:46 rue_house Idont think so
23:46 rue_house its not a big fire, I just wanted to bump the water temps
23:46 katsmeow-afk whatever made it stop going up, would also keep it from being perfectly flat
23:47 rue_house I think it balanced the loss
23:47 katsmeow-afk a one *point* on the graph?
23:47 katsmeow-afk not a curve off as it equalised?
23:47 rue_house its resolution is 1min, 0.5c
23:48 katsmeow-afk i am not there, but i find the numbers suspicious
23:49 katsmeow-afk is one of the unused t13 pins good for being a pwm output?
23:49 rue_house maybe
23:49 katsmeow-afk k
23:49 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/chart2.png
23:50 rue_house (the boiler in sensor failed a while ago)
23:50 katsmeow-afk see, the red sloping line loks real to me, the blue one, not so much
23:50 rue_house its the 3rd sensor I'v had just die, I'm not sure why
23:51 katsmeow-afk dallop some 2-part epoxy on them as you attach the sensor to whatever
23:51 rue_house NC5 is the outside temp
23:51 katsmeow-afk keeps the water off them
23:51 rue_house I have them all wrapped up watertight..
23:51 katsmeow-afk wrapped in what?
23:51 rue_house hot glue and shrink wrap
23:52 rue_house er, heatshrink
23:52 rue_house tube
23:52 katsmeow-afk hmm, k
23:52 katsmeow-afk i have an olde radio shack thermistor on a hot water heater 15 yrs ago, still works fine
23:52 rue_house yesterday I grounded the tank to the computer
23:53 katsmeow-afk smoke?
23:53 rue_house these are lm75's (well, tcn75), they are like $2 - $3 ea
23:53 rue_house i2c
23:53 tsmeow-afk gives rue permission to use her optocoupler idea for his temperature measu
23:53 katsmeow-afk ouch
23:53 rue_house bidir data lines
23:54 katsmeow-afk LM35 are way cheaper, just as accurate, and if you wanna you can attach 3 or 4 of them to one t13 (at 50 cents each)
23:54 rue_house you know, a t13, rtd on the adc, would be cheaper
23:54 rue_house lm35 bottom 0c
23:54 katsmeow-afk 10 pcs LM35 $6.77
23:54 rue_house lm75 can go -
23:54 katsmeow-afk not according to the data sheet
23:55 rue_house if you bais it all funny, yea you can go lower
23:55 rue_house I suppose a circuit only has to be designed once eh>?
23:55 katsmeow-afk n Calibrated directly in � Celsius (Centigrade)
23:55 katsmeow-afk n Linear + 10.0 mV/�C scale factor
23:55 katsmeow-afk n 0.5�C accuracy guaranteeable (at +25�C)
23:55 katsmeow-afk n Rated for full -55� to +150�C range
23:56 katsmeow-afk FIGURE 1. Basic Centigrade Temperature Sensor
23:56 katsmeow-afk (+2�C to +150�C)
23:56 rue_house look a few pages ahead at what you have to do to get -55 out of it
23:56 katsmeow-afk FIGURE 2. Full-Range Centigrade Temperature Sensor
23:56 katsmeow-afk V OUT=+1,500 mV at +150�C
23:56 katsmeow-afk = +250 mV at +25�C
23:56 katsmeow-afk = -550 mV at -55�C
23:56 katsmeow-afk 1 resistor
23:56 katsmeow-afk National data sheet of Nov 2000
23:57 katsmeow-afk first page, not the 4th page
23:58 katsmeow-afk FIGURE 7. Temperature Sensor, Single Supply, -55� to
23:58 katsmeow-afk +150�C
23:58 katsmeow-afk 2 diodes, one resistor
23:58 e_house looks up the datasheet a
23:58 katsmeow-afk so use 2 diodes, one resistor, switch in/out 20 LM35, and optocouple them to your puter
23:59 katsmeow-afk basically, you don't get any better performance by throwing more than one resistor at it