#garfield Logs

Nov 12 2013

15:28 katsmeow-afk I see the camera comes with music chords, and the a/v cable, but does it
15:28 katsmeow-afk come with the usb cord to connect it to the computer?
15:58 katsmeow-afk Tom, they arrived,, and guess what?
15:58 katsmeow-afk all that clamping i did............
15:59 katsmeow-afk this end is off .090 also
16:08 katsmeow-afk i see the problem
16:10 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/B&S_starter/DSCF3656m.jpg , the pipe length is labled 2.00 is .275 on these
16:10 katsmeow-afk err
16:10 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/B&S_starter/DSCF3656m.jpg , the pipe length is labled .200 is .275 on these
16:11 katsmeow-afk aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggg
16:12 katsmeow-afk the .275 dim on the pic plainly absolves you of any error
16:13 tsmeow-afk can fix this too, of co
17:12 m_itx produces the ECO in his def
17:26 Tom_itx mmm i'm not sure about the .200 really. i measured the bearing and mine is .275 thick and the other given dimension _is_ .275
17:33 Tom_itx so the bearing needs to be sunk in .090" more?
17:33 Tom_itx or .090" less?
17:36 katsmeow-afk i made it fit great, just scribed where the brushes are on the oem, gonna wash my paws, toss food into the nukebox, and take pics
17:36 katsmeow-afk the v2 of the R8 bearing endbell fits fine
17:37 Tom_itx good
17:38 katsmeow-afk i should prolly fasten the alum to the plastic bell too, before i announce revisions
17:38 katsmeow-afk what's even more apparent is how sloppy the oem plastic is
18:29 katsmeow-afk uploadng
18:29 tsmeow-afk notes she didn't drain the outside pies
18:29 katsmeow-afk pipes
18:30 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/B&S_starter2.html#new
18:31 katsmeow-afk going to eat a few bites first, tummy is growly
18:32 Tom_itx so you ground off the end and the inside lip?
18:32 tsmeow-afk
18:33 Tom_itx so the recess was right but in the wrong place
18:33 katsmeow-afk offset somehow
18:34 katsmeow-afk if i had a lathe, i could have left some of the inside lip
18:34 katsmeow-afk but with hand tools, it was pretty much all-or-nothin, unless i make special tools
18:34 Tom_itx so you need to figure out how much to move the bearing back
18:35 Tom_itx from where i put it
18:35 Tom_itx that lip was probably .1"
18:35 Tom_itx like the outside
18:35 katsmeow-afk yeas, not going to measure til i can make the alum and oem plastic be one piece, so i can free the rotor from what;s holding it centered atm
18:36 katsmeow-afk iirc, the "pipe" : i took down to .310
18:36 Tom_itx that was the R8 end
18:36 katsmeow-afk oh,, o, i took downt he R6 end
18:37 katsmeow-afk i did nothing to the new R8 end
18:37 Tom_itx i know
18:38 tsmeow-afk slurps ramen noodles with ~30 cents of canned fish a
18:39 Tom_itx that end has quite a taper to it
18:39 katsmeow-afk which where?
18:39 Tom_itx OEM brush end
18:40 tsmeow-afk nods,, but there is at least a 10th sticking thru the bea
18:40 katsmeow-afk 10th inch
18:42 katsmeow-afk you see in the downshot showing the bearing in correct place in the oem bell, why i wanted to skinny the pipe wall down to .150 from .200? think that can skinny down more?
18:44 Tom_itx probably
18:44 katsmeow-afk the last pic is shot thru the hole the +12v bolts fits thru, so you can see the OD of the disk and the bearing pipe sticking thru inside
18:46 katsmeow-afk those are 800x600 pics, if you want 3072x2304 , i can upload those too
18:47 katsmeow-afk ok, pausing dinner, save a slurp for after a while
18:50 tsmeow-afk has something on her lil mind relating to the ACA and poeples losing their insur
18:51 katsmeow-afk before and when the law became law, it was 100% true you could keep your insurance if you wanted, because it was written into the law that when it became law in **2009** , any existing policies got grandfathered in
18:52 Tom_itx no the pics are fine
18:52 katsmeow-afk the gotcha #1 is the politicians keps saying "you can keep it", and never clarified the "issued before 2009" part
18:52 Tom_itx it's all a bullshit fiasco
18:52 Tom_itx care not to discuss because it boils my blood
18:53 katsmeow-afk the gotcha #2 is there was a time limit, apparently Dec 2014, and it never was true any policy issued new tween 2009 and 2014 was grandfathered in, and it was true that policies after 2014 which did not have all the coverages, had to have amendment riders, or be canceled
18:53 Tom_itx it _was_ said direct from the horse's mouth (ass) either one... that you could keep your exhisting insurance if you liked it
18:53 katsmeow-afk the gotcha #3 is the insurance co are not issuing amendment riders
18:54 Tom_itx revised to read 'if it complies'
18:54 Tom_itx they are gonna drive ins co out of business
18:54 katsmeow-afk yeas, same as what i said
18:54 Tom_itx social medical treatment
18:55 katsmeow-afk near as ic an tell, everyone picked iup a gun and fired once into the own foot, and once into the foot of the one next to them, and once into the general public
18:56 katsmeow-afk the same problem would have been going on in 2009 if the republicans had not sued and done everything else between 2009 and 2014
18:56 katsmeow-afk signup coincidently got put off till till 2014
18:57 katsmeow-afk so the website was put off till 2014
18:57 katsmeow-afk the deadline just got pushed back to March 2015
18:58 Tom_itx did they push it back finally?
18:58 Tom_itx without a penalty?
18:58 katsmeow-afk *maybe* they can uncancel the insurane written between 2009 and 2014, they are looking into it
18:58 katsmeow-afk yeas
18:58 Tom_itx the whole thing will fall apart
18:59 katsmeow-afk it seriously bites tho that the insurance cos would rather canel than issue amendments, but they did it so they could make more money
19:00 katsmeow-afk the public who weren't on top of it didn't seem to know the grandfathering-in was for policies issued before 2009
19:00 katsmeow-afk because the law took effect in 2009, it's just been held up in court fights
19:01 katsmeow-afk hopefully, the grandfathering in will be changed to Dec 2014
19:01 katsmeow-afk i dunno tho
19:02 Tom_itx i'm not sure but what my letter was for end of 14
19:02 Tom_itx i'm not gonna look
19:04 katsmeow-afk i wonder how you'd fasten this to a shaft : http://www.motorparts4less.com/product_info.php?products_id=1413
19:05 Tom_itx it is keyed
19:05 Tom_itx 2 collars one on each side
19:05 Tom_itx or a collar and a shoulder
19:05 katsmeow-afk keys don't hold sprockest like pins of screws of collets do
19:05 katsmeow-afk it's got a skinny shoulder on each side
19:06 katsmeow-afk prolly sits against a boss on the sgaft, and a screw into the end of the shaft
19:07 katsmeow-afk this one is cheaper tho, has a hub and setscrew and keyway : http://www.staton-inc.com/store/products/Sprocket_41_B_9_Tooth_1_2_ID_KW_1SS-681-49.html
19:11 Tom_itx .1 would probably hold that bearing fine
19:11 Tom_itx wall thickness
19:11 tsmeow-afk
19:11 Tom_itx afk a while
19:12 katsmeow-afk that would give me ~.1 more plastic to hold the brushholders together
19:12 tsmeow-afk goes out to drain water p
19:12 katsmeow-afk and plug in the heater for the one up tat the road
19:12 katsmeow-afk and the one on the roof
19:12 katsmeow-afk and in the cellar
19:13 katsmeow-afk and drain the pipe from the 3000gal outside tank to the 500gal inside tank
19:13 katsmeow-afk i'll be gone a while
20:32 rue_house oh I ahve to remember to drain the 1000L for the greenhouse or it'll freeze
20:33 rue_house as nice as having a cubic meter of ice might be next summer
20:56 katsmeow-afk for real, build a tank under the house where you don't wanna go, run pipes thru it, freese it in winter, cool the house in summer by circulating it's own melt water thru the heater coils in the furnace
21:08 katsmeow-afk ok, epoxy setting up, clamped stuff, waiting on setup, then open and free the rotor, reassemble, see what happens
21:28 rue_house tooooooooooooooooooo far from the greenhouse
21:28 rue_house its a water supply for the grrenhouse half way up the yard, (by the greenhouse)
21:32 katsmeow-afk umm, then obviously, you need two, one small one for the garden, and a huge one for the house cooling
22:10 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/B&S_starter2.html#new
22:12 katsmeow-afk the bearing does need a seat on the "pipe" ID to hold it in the bell
22:20 rue_house you seem to be having great motor fun
22:22 Tom_itx on the rear?
22:22 Tom_itx ya know that _wasn't_ in the initial design... small touch i added
22:23 Tom_itx so for those, strap a washer over the end with a couple screws tapped into the aluminum
22:33 rue_house gnitht
22:33 rue_house gnight
22:33 rue_house the new keybaord *is* helping
22:34 Tom_itx yup, gnite
23:11 katsmeow-afk there's no botton to the "pipe" in http://designerthinking.com/images/B&S_starter/DSCF3656m.jpg ?
23:12 katsmeow-afk i got it back together with brushes in it, pulls 10amps no load, 15amps when turning wood to smoke while barely slowing down
23:13 katsmeow-afk it's definately a mid-to-low-rpm motor, comparatively speaking
23:14 katsmeow-afk makes me think it's good for a +/- 6vdc system, and a half-h-bridge driving it
23:14 katsmeow-afk it's not balanced well, lotta vibration
23:24 katsmeow-afk definately needs brush optomisation , it prefers to pull 10amps no load at any voltage
23:25 katsmeow-afk i have no idea how much current it was pulling when i tried to stop it, but the volts across it was only 2vdc and the 18awg nichrome dropping resistor was red hot
23:27 katsmeow-afk even if it was pulling 20amps @ 2v, watts = v x a , so it could have just as well been 12v @ 3.3 amps on some other motor for the same watts/horsepower
23:31 katsmeow-afk i stuck a pin in the oem hole in the shaft, it's got nice torque at 2v on it under load, and the torque skyrockets as the volts go up from there
23:34 katsmeow-afk it's a 4-pole rotor, not going to open this one up again soon, due to difficulty of installing the brushes/rotor, but next one i wanna trace the stator magnetic flow, i bet about 1/2 the rotor can be switched off (gotta be innovative) to reduce the current,, and i think that because it appears to be a two-pole stator, so half the rotor current is flowing where there's no stator magnetic flow