#garfield Logs
Sep 05 2013
#garfield Calendar
00:09 katsmeow-afk they simply don't give the info
00:09 rue_house thats probably the google front page javascript
00:10 rue_house interstate dson't no
00:10 katsmeow-afk wasn't from google
00:10 rue_house the best you can usually get is tht the Ah is 1/10 the cranking amps
00:11 rue_house I'd like to know who's batteries interstate rebrands more of
00:11 katsmeow-afk 24M-XHD is 2hrs at 25 amps, which tells me it's 2amps for 24hrs, 50amphr for a 800 cca battery
00:12 katsmeow-afk 24 is the standard small car battery size now isn't it?
00:12 rue_house I had quite a battle with interstate people just to get someone who knew what Ah was
00:13 katsmeow-afk 27 being ~ 12x8x6 inches?
00:13 rue_house you can approx the Ah of a battery better by weight than anything
00:13 rue_house so it seems
00:13 katsmeow-afk oh, they give the sizes
00:14 katsmeow-afk heh, "it's this big, it will work fine, no i don't want to know what you do with it, it will work fine, it's this big"
00:16 katsmeow-afk according to their charts, a 4D is good for 8 amps for 20 hrs
00:16 rue_house "Walmart batteries and Interstate batteries are made in the exact same place, Johnson Controls. The only real difference is the? color of the plastic case and the sticker. What really matters is how long it's been on the shelf (Giving Walmart the edge with higher turnover) and if a charge is applied every so often (Which usually gives Interstate an edge depending on the seller) I've heard a lot of people give the exact opposite assessment w
00:16 rue_house ith Interstate good and Walmart junk ...."
00:16 rue_house hmm
00:17 katsmeow-afk but intestate store will charge you 2x what walmart will
00:18 katsmeow-afk a 4D is 2x the lead of a type 27, but i bet the 4D costs 4x
00:19 rue_house stare at them on the shelf for a while, tell me if you think its the same mold, I dont have a wallmart
00:19 katsmeow-afk huh?
00:19 rue_house http://www.johnsoncontrols.com/content/us/en/products/power_solutions/about-power-solutions/global-brands.html
00:20 rue_house if a battery case was made on the same line, you would know
00:20 katsmeow-afk praps,, chances are they use a diff case, same guts
00:21 rue_house I never seen a rebrand much deeper than the applied sticker
00:27 katsmeow-afk looks like, with 5hrs charging, 40amps @ 200vdc, into 3 series strings of 14 batteries, type 27M, the heaviest (the most lead in them), to get 4 or 5 years life, meaning battery replacement cost into a savings account is ~ one battery per month, and for all that you need 8kw of solar cells and you get 10amps @ 120vac 24-7
00:28 katsmeow-afk the math sucks
00:28 katsmeow-afk wait
00:29 katsmeow-afk 10amps * 120v * 24hrs * 30 days = 864 kw-hrs ,, which is 20% more than i use
00:30 katsmeow-afk 864 kwh/mo @ $0.13 = $112/mo , the battery *IS* cheaper
00:31 katsmeow-afk i figured 42 batteries per 48 months, they look even cheaper if it's 42 batteries per 5 years
00:32 katsmeow-afk 10 amps across 3 strings is only 3.33 amps per string, and you'd have ferocious motor start capacity
00:34 rue_house dont forget desulfation system
00:34 katsmeow-afk i was calculating at 13 amps charge per string too, for 5 hrs,, batery charge currents being as whacky as they are, i can't know till it's tried, so get on that asap
00:34 Lola8088 rue_house, boo
00:34 rue_house the docs I'v read say sulfation is an issue if the batteries are not subject to a current of some % of capacity
00:34 rue_house Lola8088, heya!
00:34 Lola8088 did you nap?
00:35 katsmeow-afk i doubt anyone's charge/discharge use is flat
00:35 katsmeow-afk is Lola8088 talking?
00:35 Lola8088 How did you know I talk what I type?
00:37 rue_house Lola8088, did you phone?
00:38 Lola8088 nope... fell asleep with the kids
00:38 katsmeow-afk ...
00:38 rue_house cool
00:38 katsmeow-afk Lola8088 has been idle 11 secs
00:38 rue_house I'm gonna put my resistors away and go to bed really soon
00:39 Lola8088 That's about all I can manage with a two year old
00:39 tsmeow-afk should go upstairs and rearage s
00:39 katsmeow-afk best work time here is 10pm to 10am, else it's 90F
00:40 katsmeow-afk 6pm to 10pm peole burn garbage, so can't opwn doors , windows, or be outside
00:40 katsmeow-afk got great pics of the smog over the valley this afternoon
00:55 katsmeow-afk Sorry, you can only save 100 sellers. Please delete a saved seller and try again.
00:55 rue_house ebay?
00:55 tsmeow-afk
00:55 rue_house 100!?
00:55 rue_house huh
00:55 tsmeow-afk saves the best d
00:56 rue_house are they often the same seller?
00:56 katsmeow-afk like : [20:47] <katsmeow-afk> <blink> 15v@4a for $6 , 19v@4.65a for $6 , both free s&h </blink>
00:56 rue_house k
00:56 katsmeow-afk those adapters are from 3 sellers
00:56 rue_house got someone good for machined pin sockets?
00:57 katsmeow-afk one has a sale on atm that's real good, but if you watch only the auctions, you get half off the buy-now prices
00:57 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/51-series-MCU-the-minimum-system-development-board-All-I-O-port-External-/171006898647
00:57 rue_house nom nom nom
00:58 katsmeow-afk i haven't bought Auguts in decades, the cost is double what gold-plated leaf sockets are
00:59 katsmeow-afk $2 ?? for a 1x3 pcb with all the parts on it? that's a great deal vs making it yourself
00:59 rue_house I have some 8051 to play with
00:59 rue_house I have one breadboarded with rs232
01:02 katsmeow-afk wait a sec,, you got free shipping to Canadia on that, it's $1.50 to usa
01:02 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Augat-Machined-10-Pin-Round-Socket-/251192026757
01:02 rue_house this in my life I have never seen!
01:02 katsmeow-afk some opamps were 10 pin
01:02 rue_house yep
01:02 rue_house I never seen a macined pin socket for one
01:03 katsmeow-afk tektronix has square sockets even
01:03 rue_house wow, the prices I'm seeing on machined pin, I could just do that from now on
01:05 katsmeow-afk wow the prices have dropped
01:06 katsmeow-afk i used a fair amount of http://www.ebay.ca/itm/390123479180 too, since there's no socket body, you can put things under the chip
01:06 katsmeow-afk you can also overdrillt he holes, and set the chip down on the pcb
01:06 rue_house and use the sticking thru pins as a male header to antoher baord
01:07 katsmeow-afk wait,, thos are $2 per socket, not $2 for 718 of them :-/
01:07 katsmeow-afk yeas, done that too
01:08 katsmeow-afk set a cpu down onto the pcb on one card, then the tails plugged into the oem socket, and my card tweaked the signals on the cpu without changing the oem mobo
01:09 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/DIP-40-Pin-40Pin-Universal-ZIF-IC-Socket-Green-/130686250788
01:09 rue_house maybe I should make controller baords with zif sockets?
01:10 rue_house I'm totally leaving that on my 'buy later' list
01:10 katsmeow-afk i have a couple of those, tought i'd make programmer with them
01:10 rue_house $2!
01:10 rue_house I used to drool at them in the store behind a $50 price tag
01:11 tsmeow-afk
01:11 katsmeow-afk i had a programmer for the C64, the zif cost more than all the other parts put togther
01:12 rue_house 32 pin?
01:12 katsmeow-afk 40
01:12 rue_house oooo
01:12 rue_house you didn't do 2M roms did you?
01:13 katsmeow-afk it did eproms and chips like 8035, 8049, etc
01:13 rue_house oooo
01:13 katsmeow-afk no, max memory was 32k
01:13 rue_house could it do PLD's?
01:14 rue_house I forget part numbers
01:14 katsmeow-afk no, there were very few pld in the early 1980's, and they were glitchy as heck, the C64 has one, the VIC20 didn't
01:14 rue_house oh
01:14 rue_house but apple was using them in their disk drive cards
01:15 katsmeow-afk and commodore used them in the C64
01:16 katsmeow-afk it made the signal lines on the interface buss of the C64 really spikey, you could not count on a "low" staying low as long as it was supposed to before a spike happened that would trigger ttl logic
01:16 rue_house do i mean GAL or PLD?
01:16 katsmeow-afk want me to cut your head open and check?
01:17 rue_house 16V8
01:17 rue_house yea
01:17 rue_house those
01:17 katsmeow-afk whichever, i swore at them, and wouldn't have used one
01:17 rue_house only if you can alter some things in there for me while your at it
01:18 tsmeow-afk alters rue's use of "your" and "you're",, those words are hard for me to confuse, because they aren't even pronounced the
01:19 rue_house your right
01:21 katsmeow-afk drat
01:23 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/5A-LM2596-4-35V-DC-DC-Converter-Power-Voltage-Regulator-/221198214837
01:23 rue_house :)
01:24 rue_house how dare they charge that much eh? not even free shiping
01:24 katsmeow-afk yeas, $3 whole bucks, and they include the heatsink!!
01:25 rue_house how much is 0.8mega-pascells in psi?
01:26 rue_house http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PLD-Brand-New-RV-12V-9-14-4V-Micro-Diaphragm-Water-Pump-1-0GPM-45W-w/1201335045.html
01:26 rue_house 116!
01:27 rue_house I see a rain barrel watering system pump!
01:27 katsmeow-afk hmm, a chinese clone of the pump i use to get creek water
01:28 katsmeow-afk the usa version is over $100
01:28 katsmeow-afk listed as an "RV pump" usually
01:28 rue_house shall I get one and tell ya how it goes?
01:28 katsmeow-afk sure
01:28 rue_house its listed as PLD, which is why it came up for me
01:28 rue_house :)
01:29 katsmeow-afk the usa ones come as 12vdc, 24vdc, 120vac
01:29 katsmeow-afk oh, i see the reason for the low cost, mine are closer to 3gpm
01:29 katsmeow-afk 1.5 gpm under pressure
01:30 rue_house I just need it for drip heads
01:30 katsmeow-afk still use a pressure tank and pressure switch, you don't wanna wear out the tiny pressure switch on the pump
01:31 rue_house easy, skip siwtch, use timer on motor
01:31 katsmeow-afk still, 1 gpm is 60gph, 1,440 gallons per day
01:32 katsmeow-afk if the emitters clog, the pressure goes up, the pump starts cycling
01:32 rue_house my rain barrel is only 264 gallons
01:32 katsmeow-afk it's a diaphram pump, you can stall it and burn out the motor if the pressure is too high
01:33 rue_house Lola8088, do you need more than 1gpm for your boat?
01:33 rue_house tho right on it the pump ssays gpm
01:33 rue_house 4
01:34 rue_house ITS NOT A GOOD IDEA FO ME TO WALK UP AND DOWN THE ISLES OF THE WORLDS LARGEST SHOPPING CENTRE!
01:34 rue_house I'm going to bed, before I spend more money
01:34 katsmeow-afk heh
01:45 katsmeow-afk heh, one seller seems to have noticed i buy only the auctions no one else has bid on, and he isn't re-listing any for now
01:46 katsmeow-afk like another seller that kept having to send me 1000 chips for 99 cents, he quit that
01:50 katsmeow-afk this guy has the lowest overall prices for a usa seller, beats most Chinease selelrs, and has free shipping : http://www.ebay.com/itm/271058424022
01:51 katsmeow-afk only way to beat his prices on the low cost stuff is auction by someone else that no one notices
01:51 rue_bed oo what chips?
01:51 katsmeow-afk there were so many ;-)
01:52 katsmeow-afk 74ABT373, there were some opamps,, the MC34074's, etc
01:52 katsmeow-afk the 29,000 ufd 75v caps for ~$1 each
01:53 rue_bed yea that power supply is $5 shipping to me
01:53 katsmeow-afk 99 cents for 2500 PCS F & G 1000UF 16V ELECTROLYTIC RADIAL CAPACITORS
01:53 rue_bed have any 1uf tant 16V+?
01:53 rue_bed er was it 10uf I needed
01:53 rue_bed damn
01:54 katsmeow-afk pickes up a XL830 dvm for $5.50
01:54 rue_bed I think I got two from china for $3
01:54 rue_bed but only one worked
01:54 katsmeow-afk QTY: 500 UNITS P/N 293D226X0016D2T Capacitor Tantalum Sol... $12
01:54 rue_bed :) left feedback too quick
01:55 rue_bed depends on chipping, but 12 is good
01:55 katsmeow-afk yeas, the meter leads have an ohm resistamnce on some, can't zero them out
01:55 katsmeow-afk Capacitor Tantalum Solid 22uF 16V
01:56 rue_bed oh leaded, not smt...
01:56 rue_bed pref. .1" pitch
01:56 katsmeow-afk who was leaded?
01:56 katsmeow-afk the 1000u electrolytics were leaded, the 22u tants were smd
01:57 katsmeow-afk oh,, you WANT leaded
01:57 rue_bed I cant remmeber 1uf or 10uf, but radial, tant, 16V pref 35V
01:57 katsmeow-afk i saw some of those the other day for reeal cheap...........
01:57 rue_bed I'm gonna go thru my pcbs and try to restock the capacitor trays
01:57 rue_bed caps is the number one thing i save old boards for
01:58 rue_bed caps, smt resistors, semis, some connectors, magnetics,
01:59 katsmeow-afk Tantalum Capacitors 33UF 25V 10% RADIAL ,, but holy crap, he raised the price to $1 each : http://www.ebay.com/itm/QTY-100-UNITS-P-N-T350J336K025AS-Tantalum-Capacitors-33UF-25V-10-RADIAL-/251298459466
01:59 rue_bed poor kitty, think he needs a flea bath
01:59 katsmeow-afk offer him $20
02:00 rue_bed k
02:00 katsmeow-afk 10 Pcs http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Pcs-x-Tantalum-Capacitor-DIP-35V10UF-10UF-35V-Radial-Free-Shipping-/170894097178x Tantalum Capacitor DIP 35V10UF 10UF 35V Radial Free Shipping ;
02:01 katsmeow-afk 6v work?
02:01 rue_bed no
02:02 katsmeow-afk shame, 1000 for $2
02:02 rue_bed 7805 input caps
02:02 katsmeow-afk you can use electrolytics on 7805, i have never used tants on them
02:02 rue_bed totally
02:02 rue_bed I have lots
02:03 rue_bed I should actually measure the esr of tant vs electrolytic
02:03 katsmeow-afk use 100u for each amp, up close, or put the 7805 near the bulk psu cap (1500u per amp)
02:04 rue_bed "12V" in, I wonder what the max current on an un-heatsinked 7805 is
02:05 katsmeow-afk 400 PCS MATSUSHITA 22UF 16V 85c ELECTROLYTIC RADIAL CAPACITORThis seller accepts PayPal
02:05 katsmeow-afk 0 Bids: $0.99
02:05 katsmeow-afk Time left:12h 16m
02:05 rue_bed maybe good for 1/2W before shutdown?
02:05 rue_bed mm
02:06 katsmeow-afk 2800 PCS SANYO CEOJ272MSWANNThis seller accepts PayPal
02:06 katsmeow-afk 2 Bids: $4.02
02:06 katsmeow-afk Time left:16h 31m
02:06 rue_bed 272 is .027uF
02:06 katsmeow-afk oh, nm, the Sanyo is 6v too
02:07 katsmeow-afk no, 2700 u
02:07 rue_bed no, 2700pf
02:07 katsmeow-afk http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/12001392/images/cpn0085858004__2.jpg
02:07 rue_bed 105 is 1uF
02:07 rue_bed 104 is .1uF
02:07 rue_bed 103 is .01uF
02:08 rue_bed 102 would be .001uF
02:08 rue_bed so 272 would be .0027uF
02:08 katsmeow-afk 250 PCS LICON 22UF/100V 100 C(M) LRKThis seller accepts PayPal
02:08 katsmeow-afk 0 Bids: $2.99
02:08 katsmeow-afk Time left:2d 13h 28m
02:08 rue_bed which is 2.7nf
02:08 rue_bed 2700pf
02:09 katsmeow-afk 2000 PCS AVX TAP475K035CCS 4.7u @ 35
02:09 katsmeow-afk $10.56
02:09 rue_bed mm parallel them
02:10 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-PCS-AVX-TAP475K035CCS-/360732589268
02:11 rue_bed the 250pcs is $32 chipping to canada
02:11 rue_bed so also with the 2000pcs
02:11 katsmeow-afk 12000 PCS YAGEO CC0805KRX7R9BN39N ; 39nf ;
02:11 katsmeow-afk Time left:
02:11 katsmeow-afk 2d 17h (Sep 07, 2013 17:10:30 PDT)
02:11 katsmeow-afk Starting bid:
02:11 katsmeow-afk US $0.99
02:12 katsmeow-afk ouch@$32 chipping
02:12 rue_bed odd 805 is 8uF
02:12 rue_bed oh 0805
02:12 rue_bed smt
02:12 katsmeow-afk both those sellers do big shipping discounts when combining buys
02:12 katsmeow-afk some are 50% off
02:12 rue_bed but dont like chipping to canada
02:13 katsmeow-afk no one is buying these, dunno why : http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-PCS-SANYO-CE1A152MSNANN-/390654459032 ;; but i can't figure out what wv they are
02:14 rue_bed its the letter code, I dont know it all yet
02:14 rue_bed run P/N into digikey :)
02:15 katsmeow-afk No records match your search criteria
02:15 rue_bed hah $62 chipping to canada!
02:16 rue_bed I wonder how much it costs in fuel to go to the border and back
02:16 katsmeow-afk 800 PCS XICON 1-140A-NPAL50V47/R 47u 50v $2.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/800-PCS-XICON-1-140A-NPAL50V47-R-/390654415827
02:16 rue_bed I think a buddy has a dropbox
02:17 rue_bed 43 chipping
02:17 katsmeow-afk check our fine seller Tayda2009 ?
02:18 rue_bed so they are a reseller of tayda
02:18 katsmeow-afk 50 x 10uF 16V Radial Capacitor Tantalum - Free ...
02:18 katsmeow-afk $8.99 Buy It Now
02:18 katsmeow-afk 13d 12h
02:18 katsmeow-afk Free Shipping
02:18 katsmeow-afk who is a reseller?
02:18 katsmeow-afk umo and kfiros aren't, afaik
02:19 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-x-10uF-16V-Radial-Capacitor-Tantalum-Free-Shipping-/250901587481
02:19 katsmeow-afk http://stores.ebay.com/Tayda2009?_nkw=tantalum
02:20 katsmeow-afk 50 x 100uF 50V 105C Radial Electrolytic Capacit...
02:20 katsmeow-afk $3.79 Buy It Now
02:20 katsmeow-afk 10d 12h
02:20 katsmeow-afk Free Shipping
02:20 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-x-100uF-50V-105C-Radial-Electrolytic-Capacitor-8x11mm-FREE-SHIPPING-/280779248085
02:20 katsmeow-afk http://stores.ebay.com/Tayda2009?_nkw=electrolytic
02:21 rue_bed whats the private listing?
02:21 rue_bed sory, I'm dozing off
02:22 rue_bed would you like some money to find some parts for me on alibaba?
02:22 rue_bed I'll pay cause it requires some hunting and matching
02:22 rue_bed I was asking thebear, but he dosn't seem into it
02:22 katsmeow-afk umm,,, praps,, i am unfamiliar with alibababababa yet
02:22 rue_bed I just need urls for some parts
02:23 rue_bed I can dig up info later
02:23 katsmeow-afk urls are *easy* but *good urls* are difficult
02:25 katsmeow-afk i been sitting too long, my knees are hurting
02:27 katsmeow-afk you goto bed, i go afk
02:27 katsmeow-afk email me details about url-finding
02:37 katsmeow-afk realloc: Failed to allocate 1073741824 bytes; memory exhausted.
03:56 katsmeow-afk 3355 PCS ATMEL AT93C46DN-SH-TThis seller accepts PayPal
03:56 katsmeow-afk 4 Bids: $22.39
03:56 katsmeow-afk Time left:1d 12h 50m
03:56 katsmeow-afk 3073 PCS ATMEL AT25640AN-10S-2.7This seller accepts PayPal
03:56 katsmeow-afk 2 Bids: $15.50
03:56 katsmeow-afk Time left:1d 14h 35m
03:57 katsmeow-afk 1993 PCS TEXAS INSTRUMENTS SN74ALVTH16373GRThis seller accepts PayPal
03:57 katsmeow-afk 4 Bids: $20.00
03:57 katsmeow-afk Time left:1d 16h 15m
03:58 katsmeow-afk 1665 PCS PERICOM PI74FCT164245CTV-EThis seller accepts PayPal
03:58 katsmeow-afk 1 Bid: $2.99
03:58 katsmeow-afk Time left:2d 12h 59m
10:24 katsmeow-afk A Florida man who shot up a neighbor's barbecue last year, killing two and injuring another, is looking to have murder charges dismissed under the state's "Stand Your Ground" law as well as the "Bush Doctrine," which gives the U.S. license for preemptive strikes, according to a report.
11:53 katsmeow-afk 12v is 86% of 14v
11:55 katsmeow-afk if you charge at 2amps to 14v, then stop and immeadiately pull 2amps, you'll get it at 12.6v ,, you instantly loose 10% of power just in the 14v to 12.6 change
11:57 tsmeow-afk ponders the 19v@4.74amp adapers for $7.35 since the regular seler isn't doing auctions the rest of this
11:59 katsmeow-afk so brand new, to finish charge, you add 10% to the wattage , then as the battery ages you keep adding percentages
12:01 katsmeow-afk so my scheme is to charge right off the panels at whatever max *power* the solar cells deliver, untill the first battery hits 14v, then switch to individual ~4amp chargers on each battery to pull each to 14v
12:03 katsmeow-afk i need the output of the panels to be over 200v and under 300v under all conditions
12:05 katsmeow-afk qty 14 batteries * 14v = 196v , altho not all will hit 14v at the same time, so this number can be lower, and it will be when the air is more polluted
12:05 katsmeow-afk and the max input of the adapters is 220v Europower, which maxes at 320v peak
12:11 katsmeow-afk 14v@4a = $7.98 buy now ,, atm even the auctions are higher
12:17 katsmeow-afk at least after 4 or 5 hrs at max sun and max power, as the batteries top off they pull less power as the sun goes down and panel power drops
12:19 katsmeow-afk but atm, 5hrs at 3.5amps = 17amp-hrs ,,,,, or 1amp for 17hrs ,, enough for an overnite power outage to keep some lites , router, laptop, tv running
12:38 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/19V-3-42A-AC-Adapter-Charger-for-Acer-Aspire-3000LM-3002LCI-3680-2633-5250-0639-/390543160189 $5.25 , 19v, 3.4amps
12:40 katsmeow-afk to get 1.3 more amps is another $3 : http://www.ebay.com/itm/14V-4A-SyncMaster-770TFT-17-SMT-170QN-LCD-Monitor-AC-Power-Adapter-For-Samsung-/221274967118 $8 , 19v 4.74amps
12:41 katsmeow-afk 3amps will power up over 100 opamps to reasonable power levels
12:48 katsmeow-afk someone really needs to put together a new UPS which costs only 10% of the existing UPS to ship with
12:49 katsmeow-afk the really high volume sellers have "buy now" prices&s&h lower than all but 2 small sellers at auction
13:09 tsmeow-afk regrets bidding 10 cents on a ada
13:11 tsmeow-afk "borrows" some cruise missiles to send electronics to
13:15 katsmeow-afk if Tom can burrow a pipe tunnel to the Gulf coast to suck in seawater for distillation and sale, why can't he burrow tube tunnel to rue for parts deliveries??
13:17 katsmeow-afk i have a feeling if Tom starts that project, with robots, his kids will be very well off selling the minerals the distiller dumps out, regardless of the rising cost of drinking/irrigation water there
13:18 katsmeow-afk if you get 1000 people to each commit to doing one mile of the tunnel, it will get done faster, especially when it comes to dumping the rock dug out, because that's going to be a lot of rock for the average person to hide
13:25 katsmeow-afk under 645 miles Witchita.ks to Beaumont.tx,, if you get 645 robots to dig only 15ft per day, it's done in one year
13:34 katsmeow-afk at 5gpm/300gph/7200gpd/2,628,000gpy/8acre-feet, using 3" pvc as the prototype tunnel, you need only 340psi to overcome the pipe flow resistance of 645 miles
13:35 katsmeow-afk "building a new dam at Temperance Flat ...... the cost of this water would be $720 per acre-foot, and cost estimates are rising", so 8 acre-feet would sell for $5,760 in California?
13:36 katsmeow-afk "For example, between 2002 and 2008, there were 1,025 water sales to urban users in Reno-Sparks, Nevada, with a median price of $17,685 per acre-foot,"
13:37 katsmeow-afk or $141,480 for 8
13:37 katsmeow-afk averages for one-year leases ranging from $8 per acre-foot in Idaho to $87 in Arizona, and averages for sales ranging from $113 per acre-foot in Idaho to $6,592 in Colorado
13:41 tsmeow-afk wonders where Tom will decide to sell his w
14:48 katsmeow-afk Helpful hints: If you use the adapter for a long time, please keep it suitable ventilating and humidity. Do not put the adapter on the skin products.
14:54 katsmeow-afk good prices on 15v 4a adapters, $6.55 free s&h, make a 16amp battery charger for $26 plus a fan, box for 4 adapters, current sense and $1 to control it, alligator clips for a battery
14:54 katsmeow-afk good prices on 15v 5a adapters, $6.55 free s&h, too
14:55 katsmeow-afk prices on 15v 6a adapters, $7.68 free s&h
14:57 katsmeow-afk price on 15v 7a adapter, $24 + 6.70 s&h
15:10 katsmeow-afk qty 4 15v@5a adapters, plus switched capacitor voltage splitter = 6.5v@40a to feed 60 remote 5v regulators (using 28 cent IRFZ44 and 10 cent opamp)
15:10 katsmeow-afk 5v@40a for $30 seems a great price?
15:11 katsmeow-afk plus box, fan, meters, knobs, blinky lites
15:36 katsmeow-afk arg, i forgot to watch the memory class on tv
15:41 katsmeow-afk see, you should have 2 identical "steam" engines, #1 can drive both a generator and the #2 engine, #2 pumps air to a deeply submerged balloon when #1 drives it or it is powered by that air to turn the generator
15:42 katsmeow-afk so if you have a heat source (sun or ocean water warm-cold), you make electricity and pump air
15:42 katsmeow-afk when there's no heat to power #1 engine, you can power #2 engine with the stored compressed air
15:43 katsmeow-afk for it to be a real hacker project, i need to bolt on a skiiiinnny genny rotor where the middle piston sits on a 3-cyl engine crankshaft, and use the otehr two pistons as engine #1 and engine #2
15:44 katsmeow-afk use the genny rotor as the flywheel
15:45 katsmeow-afk prolly be too small to make more than one hp
16:03 katsmeow-afk .......GoDaddy is the world's largest web host and domain provider — and sites registered......... i should reply to that using a lot of @chars; too
16:59 tsmeow-afk puts nine 19v@4.74a adapters in series, drives an h-bridge to make 117vac 60 hz for 550 watts, and then doesn't care what the line voltage is, as long as it's tween 100vac and 24
17:47 katsmeow-afk 5.39 kwh in the last 24hrs , that means i'd need 6hrs of noon sun on a kilowatt solar system to run the air conditioner 24 hours
17:47 katsmeow-afk hmm, minus a kw, or an hour, if i rewire to shut off the fan when not actually cooling
19:13 rue_house kat, is it still hot there
19:36 katsmeow-afk cooling off, it's below 80F atm
20:25 katsmeow-afk with only 4 months left in this year, and freezing weather in under 3 months, i feel stupid trying to get rid of heat now
20:27 katsmeow-afk however, the cheapest of tarps, places over a foot above whatever, with open edges for airflow, lower roof/truckbed/chairseats from "will cause skin blisters if touched" down to "slightly above air temperature"
20:28 rue_house I'm being an ebay troll
20:28 rue_house I'm trolling auctions by time left and putting bids on cheap things just slightly higher than they are
20:28 katsmeow-afk and i found cheap tarps like http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sigman-12-ft-x-30-ft-Blue-Tarp-BPF012030/203217265
20:29 katsmeow-afk stay off the 29,000 ufd 75v caps!!!!
20:29 rue_house oh the firewood, I have to get the tarp on it
20:29 katsmeow-afk unless you need them? then let me know
20:29 rue_house right now my search criteria is "1000pcs"
20:29 katsmeow-afk ah
20:29 tsmeow-afk bids on the 999 pcs
20:30 rue_house heh
20:31 katsmeow-afk i watched some reels of stuff never get bid on for *months* because the seller absolutely KNEW the name of the item was "SN74ABT363NFAIRCHILD" , which never came up in searches the way ebay worked
20:32 katsmeow-afk many misspellings too, like "Tektronics"
20:32 katsmeow-afk or "Tektornix"
20:32 rue_house spelling errors are a great way of finding hidden things
20:34 katsmeow-afk i bid 10 cents on a 19v 3.42a adapter,, i hope i lose it, so i can buy some for $5.25
20:34 tsmeow-afk feels stupid on that
20:35 katsmeow-afk i am wondering what "nearly whole" means with solar cells
20:35 katsmeow-afk because a kw of them for $90 would be a steal, if even 60% of them work
20:50 rue_house oh damn, I'm winning lots of it
20:50 katsmeow-afk it's sold in lots, silly
20:52 katsmeow-afk yo buying all those Czech glass seed beads ???
20:52 rue_house hehe
20:53 rue_house erm, ma likes beads
20:53 rue_house how can you tell?
20:53 katsmeow-afk the price went to $1
20:53 rue_house hahaha
20:53 tsmeow-afk was thinking of them as fake planting
20:54 rue_house huh
20:54 katsmeow-afk no clue how many 15 grams is tho
20:57 katsmeow-afk with so many 15g lots NOT selling at 99 cents, praps 99 cents is too high?
20:58 rue_house I dont think its fair for any lot to sell under $1
20:59 katsmeow-afk but you can't buy them all, they are going by at one per minute, you'd blow $60/hour
20:59 rue_house yea I need to be careful my entertainment fund dosn't eat into the house fund
21:00 katsmeow-afk and how many Dental Orthodontic cartoon Ligature ties---Kitty ties do you need?
21:01 katsmeow-afk 1000 Pcs 3mm Blue Round LED Superbright Lamp Bulb << no bids, $14 s&h
21:03 rue_house I'm on free shipping
21:03 rue_house I'm looking for things that screw the seller
21:03 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/4-x-5050-Warm-White-SMD-5CM-3-LED-Strip-Waterproof-Car-Daytime-running-lights-/130980087603?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7f058733
21:03 rue_house like that
21:03 rue_house (oops)
21:04 katsmeow-afk 10 cent 70w laptop adapters?
21:04 rue_house yea:)
21:04 katsmeow-afk what is your opinion on $100 for a kilowatt of solar cells?
21:05 rue_house I think the seller is doing ok on that
21:05 katsmeow-afk 24 bids, it's at $81 + $27s&h
21:06 rue_house I seen things with 6 bids that are up to 81c
21:06 rue_house thats just tooo frugal
21:06 tsmeow-afk
21:07 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10-x-T10-W5W-168-194-7-SMD-White-LED-Lamp-Wedge-Side-Light-Bulb-Brand-New-/300959181699
21:07 rue_house like that
21:07 rue_house seriously?
21:08 katsmeow-afk well, they are white, people prolly want amber
21:08 rue_house check out my weather!
21:09 katsmeow-afk 1 kw of whole 3x6 cells is $200, 1 kw of cracked broken 3x6 is $100
21:10 katsmeow-afk oh crap, i won a 70w 19v power adapter for 10 cents
21:12 katsmeow-afk 1 kw 3x6 broken/cracked $100 ,,,,, 500w 6x6 in good condition $100
21:18 katsmeow-afk i just can't help but think the materials the broken cells go into will will go up by 40% to offset the 60% lower output of damaged cells
21:19 katsmeow-afk plus there's twice as many soldering to do with 3x6 vs 6x6 cells
21:22 tsmeow-afk seriously remembers a price break when panels were $60 per 15 w
21:29 tsmeow-afk sighs and quits watching the solar c
21:30 katsmeow-afk when China starts mass carpetting of their outer regions with panels, the worldwide price is going to skyrocket
21:34 katsmeow-afk does this look suspicious? http://www.ebay.com/itm/271269952988
21:41 rue_house "46 items I'm bidding on are ending soon."
21:41 katsmeow-afk wow
21:41 tsmeow-afk has one ending
21:43 rue_house I was trying to limit it to stuff that ended in 2 hours, but I got a bit carried away on some searches
21:43 rue_house I forgot to try 3.5mm rca adapter, and phone
21:43 rue_house I managed to stay awake tho, this is really good
21:43 Lola8088 rue_house, Hey Sunshine
21:44 tsmeow-afk
21:46 rue_house hey!
21:46 katsmeow-afk what!?
21:49 rue_house where!
21:51 katsmeow-afk i dunno, you suddenly says "hey!"
21:55 katsmeow-afk did you bid on that $3.75 19v adapter?
21:56 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/271269952988
21:57 rue_house no
22:01 rue_house Lola8088, so then tommorow is gonna be a nice day
22:01 Lola8088 We should do something
22:01 tsmeow-afk has whittled the watch list down to
22:02 Lola8088 Want to take the kids to the beach?
22:03 tsmeow-afk wants those caps, put in series across solar cells, to lower the impedance, up the millisec surge capa
22:03 katsmeow-afk any left over could be used in a nice bass amp
22:18 katsmeow-afk ...
22:20 katsmeow-afk http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23981291
22:23 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/121167826821
22:23 rue_house oops i won it
22:35 katsmeow-afk i found the item, still in China : http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/69606000/jpg/_69606554_c0147370-yangshan_port,_china-spl.jpg
22:35 katsmeow-afk but you paid $4 for it
22:41 rue_house its 100pcs!
22:41 rue_house that should have gone for more than that!
22:42 katsmeow-afk oh!
22:42 katsmeow-afk while leds?
22:42 rue_house yea
22:42 rue_house 100x 10cd
22:42 katsmeow-afk how many watts? cause 1w white led are pretty cheap now
22:44 katsmeow-afk got the 6 29000u 75v caps for $3.26
22:45 katsmeow-afk http://www.ebay.com/sch/kfiros17/m.html?item=251329035522&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&autorefresh=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
22:45 katsmeow-afk hurry
22:46 katsmeow-afk too late
22:46 katsmeow-afk 10 items just sold for dead cheap
22:50 katsmeow-afk LOL!! yep, he's pissed : i just got those 6 for $3.26 , so he just relisted, but a buy-now qty 2 for $20 ! http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-UNITS-CGS293U075X5L3PH-CAPACITOR-29000MFD-75VDC-AERO-M-/251262253096
22:50 katsmeow-afk he was losing his butt
23:01 katsmeow-afk i wonder if i can sell them back to him at 2 for $15 ;-)
23:04 katsmeow-afk that would be a coup, buy from a seller, then jack up the price 12 times and sell them right back to him
23:13 katsmeow-afk stupid americans : http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-city-vehicle-fatally-hits-woman-in-park-grass-4790787.php
23:14 katsmeow-afk the driver knew people laid out in the grass, and the persons laying in the grass knew the drivers raced trucks thru the area, someone finally died
23:15 katsmeow-afk well, at least it wasn't a robotic mower that hit her
23:36 katsmeow-afk " Extropy: Journal of Transhumanist Thought Online is currently down, but might return in 2006."
23:36 katsmeow-afk or not
23:45 rue_house paypal/ebay isn't threadsafe, I cant start paying multiple items in differnt tabs simotaniously
23:45 rue_house and when I do, they give me a bot challange...
23:45 rue_house I must be performing web operations faster than they think a human can
23:47 katsmeow-afk you are getting the cookies crossed
23:47 katsmeow-afk http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/snoops-can-identify-tor-users-given-enough-time-experts-say/
23:51 rue_house now they are repeated giving me the challanges
23:52 katsmeow-afk seems it may be faster then to pay all at once? you can do that
23:54 rue_house I dont want to do that cause I need the payment notifications seperate for tracking on my end
23:54 katsmeow-afk ah
23:54 rue_house as every so often ebay seems to just *forget* items you buy
23:55 tsmeow-afk keeps track too, but not on payments, occasionally contacting seller to ask when they'll
23:56 rue_house I use the confirmtion of order email
23:56 rue_house I put them in a 'enroute' folder, and move them to 'recieved' as they come in
23:56 rue_house *or* disputes
23:57 katsmeow-afk you must be a business owner who learned the hard way
23:58 rue_house no I'm an ebayer who was left scratching my head as ebay deleted and made magically dissapear, things I hadn't recieved from sellers
23:58 katsmeow-afk i think sellers do that, with "set delivered", etc
23:59 katsmeow-afk but i dunno, i have not had that problem
23:59 rue_house after a little more than the 22 days it takes an item to come from china, if its on time, ebay auto archives the listing, even if you havn't recieved it
23:59 rue_house after that, you cant leave feedback to say its not recieved