#garfield Logs

Aug 31 2013

00:39 katsmeow-afk center hinge the roof
01:03 rue_house it looks like the inverter board on my 5kw ups isn't responding
01:03 rue_house FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
01:06 tsmeow-afk adds extra let
01:07 rue_shop2 I cant use the 8kw for 2 reasons, a) its 240 output, no neutral, b) its 192V in, I couldn't use my battery bank
01:10 katsmeow-afk why do you have it?
01:12 rue_mohr because the power goes out here
01:12 tsmeow-afk has a sneaky feeling that convertor is a 240-120 isolation transformer in it's
01:12 rue_mohr alot in the winter
01:12 rue_mohr no , its an online
01:12 katsmeow-afk but even if the power goes out, you cant use the 8kw for 2 reasons, a) its 240 output, no neutral, b) its 192V in, I couldn't use my battery bank
01:13 rue_mohr thats why I use teh 5kw
01:13 rue_mohr cause it has a neutral on its transformer
01:13 katsmeow-afk why do you have THE *KW ONE ?
01:13 katsmeow-afk QERTQN%(Y*QBW$N*$%
01:13 katsmeow-afk why do you have THE 8KW ONE ?
01:13 rue_mohr I have a 5kw and an 8kw
01:13 rue_mohr I have it because it was availabe
01:13 katsmeow-afk but you can't use it
01:14 rue_mohr you think I'd sit by while someone threw away a perfectly good 8kw ups?
01:14 katsmeow-afk ah, now i understand
01:15 katsmeow-afk still, if you can't use it as is, praps you can use thetransformer in it to make 120vac from the 240vac for some isolation reasons
01:16 katsmeow-afk 192vdc is what you'd use to drive a 120vac transformer winding
01:16 rue_mohr I found a bit of corrosion on the 5kw inverter baord, dosn't look like anyhting that should make a diference, but I'll pull it and work it over sometime
01:16 rue_mohr the 8kw has no transformer
01:16 katsmeow-afk corrosion often means a cap leaked
01:16 rue_mohr in the current setup I have no room for an external transformer
01:17 katsmeow-afk how does it convert 192vdc to 240vac ?
01:17 katsmeow-afk it can't do it directly with an hbridge to swing the batetry back up and down, because there's no neutral
01:19 rue_shop2 It might use 2 192V at once
01:19 katsmeow-afk oh
01:19 rue_shop2 it wont run if only one pack is hooked up
01:19 katsmeow-afk ok
01:19 rue_shop2 its main case has 4 packs
01:31 tsmeow-afk yells out HAPPY SEPTEMBER E
01:34 katsmeow-afk so if the brain-cpu tells the body-cpu to assume "this position", the body-cpu knows where the body is and issues commands to the leg-cpus and arm-cpus to move to the new locations and how, and the leg-cpu minds it's sensor-cpus and commands it's muscle-cpus to "do this", and they do it, and report back their progress, etc?
01:36 katsmeow-afk so the brain-cpu said to move foot forward because it's shifting weight forwards, and the leg-cpu told the foot-cpu to tell when it's decelerated (meaning it hit the ground) so the leg-cpu can energise the muscles to put weight on it?
01:37 katsmeow-afk so how many *-cpus are needed?
01:39 katsmeow-afk the foot-cpu also knows it's ankle angles, and ground texture (to some degree), and it minds it's sensors incase it moves (slips on oil, branch it's on snaps, grouond sinks down, etc) so it can alert the leg-cpu
01:40 katsmeow-afk this way each -cpu has tons of free bandwidth to it's own sensors and muscles
01:40 katsmeow-afk is 128 *-cpus enough?
01:44 katsmeow-afk ideally, the brain-cpu will know to not tell the body-cpu to get it's macho swagger on and step forwards 10 ft if there is a wall 2ft in front
01:46 katsmeow-afk or swing a bat overhead of the chandelier is there
02:00 katsmeow-afk 30x36 inch glass is $16, so if i cut the glass doors in half, i'll have $32 "worth" of glass after paying only $10 for it at recycler?
02:01 katsmeow-afk minus gas to go get it and gas to bring the aluminum back
02:03 katsmeow-afk PLASKOLITE 36 x 30 White Acrylic Sheet $7.98
02:06 katsmeow-afk $13.46 72 in. x 36 in. x 5/32 in. Twinwall Plastic Sheet
10:32 rue_bed kat, why have I never seen wind powered gutter 'maintainers' that move cleaners through gutters driven by something like a propellor duck
10:37 katsmeow-afk i do not know
10:37 katsmeow-afk $3500 : http://www.ebay.com/itm/330852713896
10:43 rue_bed http://scrollsawbladespatterns.com/730.gif
10:44 rue_bed it'll probably sell
10:45 katsmeow-afk the ole 4-winged duck
10:46 katsmeow-afk why not a stationary wind-poereed duck, pulling a chain loop with a cleaner on it?
10:47 katsmeow-afk that way you have one collection point for debris, and no heavy traveling thing in the gutters
10:48 katsmeow-afk very light chain, aluminum even
10:50 katsmeow-afk http://www.lowes.com/pd_348247-273-T0339626_4294934403__?productId=4395749&Ns=p_product_price|0 <<== weighs nothing, but good for 100lbs (rated 200lbs)
10:54 katsmeow-afk "yeas, it's a pretty good storm, the gutterduck has chewed 2 holes right thru the new vinyl gutters"
11:01 katsmeow-afk "it was a lil windy, my daughter was standing there for pics, wearing her $1200 wedding dress, and the gutterduck suddenly came to life and dropped a wad of sticky wet black leaves on her, ruining the dress"
11:02 katsmeow-afk "it scared the heck out of the neighbor kid, who ran into the street and was run over by a bus"
11:04 katsmeow-afk "so now all our superstitious Jamaican friends say we are cursed and avoid us"
11:05 katsmeow-afk From: selizih@linuxlabs.ru
11:05 katsmeow-afk Subject: My Videos
11:13 rue_house hehehe
11:13 e_house stret
11:14 rue_house ok, I have an hour to eat and be ready for robotis
11:14 tsmeow-afk tosses pancakes, frisbee-s
11:15 rue_house I was thinking something plastic, rope maybe
11:15 rue_house I think even light chain might be capable of tearing a hole down even an aluminum gutter
11:16 katsmeow-afk plastic will deteriorate fast in sunlight , i have had 1/4 rope rot to dust in just 2 years
11:17 katsmeow-afk and it's hard for a drive system to get a grip on wet plastics
11:23 katsmeow-afk everywhere outside i used 1/4 rope, i have changed over to chain
11:24 katsmeow-afk it won't rot in sunlight, it has very low stretch, it is inherently attachment-friendly, and for driving it is like flexable gears
11:32 katsmeow-afk "it's derived from the military POTS (Pilot's Option To Surrender) missile, which flies at Mach12 lands on the jet, crawls to the canopy, and displays a message to the pilot to surrender before the robot explodes and demolishes the cockpit canopy,, but we don't option the duck or explode it"
11:57 katsmeow-afk "negative: seller shipped the 450v capacitors fully charged"
12:07 rue_mohr :)
12:07 rue_mohr I onlce had capacitors somehow pick up a charge laying in the sun, about 20 of them linked iirc
12:07 rue_mohr gave me a hell of a surprise
12:09 katsmeow-afk static accumulated from butterflies?
12:15 katsmeow-afk "this is our fly-battery, once every 5 minutes we blow a horn on the sewer pond below, the flies come up and land on the battery plates, then every 2 sec we alternate blowing small piezo tweeters and trillions of flys travel back and forth carrying charges between the plates"
12:17 katsmeow-afk "so the sewage gets processed, we get tons of fly larvae as high protien animal feed, and tons of dead flies for backyard bird feeders. oh, and free electricity."
12:21 katsmeow-afk "mommy, that robot is looking at me funny"
12:51 katsmeow-afk we seriously need better batteries, or robotic virtually free battery rebuilders
12:53 katsmeow-afk if i take in these 800lbs of lead acid batteries, i get less money than the cost of a new battery, yet the new batteries are exactly like the dead ones, meaning the cost of the new ones is not in material costs, but in simply how the internals are arranged
12:53 katsmeow-afk so seems to me the cost of exchanging a dead one for a new one should be the same cost as i get for the dead ones as scrap metal
12:59 katsmeow-afk damnit, new pdf , when saved as text, don't save the article, they save advertisements for where the pdf is online, which is valid only as long as they keep the pdf online
13:00 katsmeow-afk and as a pdf, it cannot be word-searched by 3rd-party applications
13:27 katsmeow-afk 99 cents : 2500 PCS F & G 1000UF 16V ELECTROLYTIC RADIAL CAPACITORS
15:14 rue_house did you update your pdf viewer or soemthing?
15:15 rue_house think I can find 2.5F capacitor on ebay for 99c?
15:53 rue_shop2 katsmeow-afk, I need some legacy info, lets see if you can pull it from memory :)
15:53 rue_shop2 waaaay back, transistor leads used colour codes
15:53 rue_shop2 red, black, green,
15:53 rue_shop2 know what lead is what?
15:54 rue_shop2 oh, hehe, might be a trick question, my ref is an SCR...
15:56 rue_shop2 I think
15:58 rue_shop2 http://www.informationdestination.cengage.com/ReferenceContent/DataCom/Standard%20Wiring%20Color%20Codes.pdf
15:58 rue_shop2 I wonder
16:00 katsmeow-afk Lots of 10pcs 2X5P pitch 2.54mm 10pins IDC Socket Box header connector straightThis seller accepts PayPal
16:00 katsmeow-afk Buy it now $3.50
16:00 katsmeow-afk Shipping:+$1.00
16:01 rue_shop2 doyou remember transistor colour codes?
16:01 katsmeow-afk no
16:01 rue_shop2 do you go back far enough?
16:01 rue_shop2 damn
16:02 katsmeow-afk it was early 70's before i saw a transistor irl, and they had no color codes
16:02 katsmeow-afk i still had all tube equipment then
16:02 rue_shop2 I found 2 sources that agree on green base, blue collector, yellow emitter
16:02 katsmeow-afk tube radio, tube amp, tube reel-reel
16:03 rue_shop2 I had a tape player once with coloured leads to its transistors, I dont have it anymore
16:12 katsmeow-afk it's too hot as heck outside
16:12 katsmeow-afk 96.8F/36C
16:15 Tom_itx 101� F Partly Cloudy
16:16 tsmeow-afk nods,, it's getting hotter here, forecast is
17:43 katsmeow-afk oo, it might prinkle here
17:43 katsmeow-afk or sprinkle,, can't tell yet
17:46 katsmeow-afk well, radar is 5 minutes late again, it sprinkled, the elevator shaft i cannot use has water in it now
19:30 katsmeow-afk Have one to sell? Sell it yourself
19:30 katsmeow-afk 300 PCS PULSE PE-68655
19:30 katsmeow-afk 99 cents
19:30 katsmeow-afk great deal if you need signal transformers
19:31 katsmeow-afk 360728491816
19:35 katsmeow-afk hmmm
19:35 katsmeow-afk 40pcs untabbed 3x6 solar cells USA factory made solar cell for solar panel
19:35 katsmeow-afk From China
19:35 katsmeow-afk hmmm
19:36 katsmeow-afk solar panel battery cahrge
19:36 tsmeow-afk feels sorry for the batteries getting "cahr
21:26 rue_house garden fresh hashbrowns taste awesome
21:26 rue_house I dont know why they taste better
21:28 rue_house the transformers are $45 chipping
21:36 tsmeow-afk doesn't remember what a hashbrown bush looks
21:40 rue_house its like a potato bush, but more tropical
21:41 tsmeow-afk
21:41 katsmeow-afk everything tastes better, and even cheaper, when fresh
21:42 rue_house the yield from one of the stacked planters was sad, I'm hoping the rest will be better
21:42 katsmeow-afk i useto get water on the stove, then go out and pick corn, shuck it on the way back, and dunk it inthe boiling water just long enough to kill any bugs and melt butter on it
21:42 katsmeow-afk it was sooooooooo good
21:43 katsmeow-afk it was sit-down-and-drool good
21:43 rue_house cant do corn here, keep failing anyhow
21:43 katsmeow-afk can't here either, the weeds get taller than the corn
21:44 katsmeow-afk the dirt is *real* bad here, i was counting on 10 years of working it to make good dirt, but those 10 yrs are gone now
21:44 katsmeow-afk no garden left, it's all 30ft trees where my garden was
21:55 Tom_itx no roof garden this year ehh?
21:55 katsmeow-afk i planted, got no edibles
21:56 katsmeow-afk i didn't plant much, some corn i started inside, got a volunteer bush bean,, just looking at the rock-hard acid dirt hurts to think i put seeds into it
21:57 katsmeow-afk one of the corns got 2ft tall and tried to set ears
21:58 katsmeow-afk there, aggilator clips on the 14v Samsung adapter
21:58 katsmeow-afk does a fine job of 12v leadacid battery charging
21:58 katsmeow-afk 4amps
21:58 katsmeow-afk "riding mower" sized batteries
22:00 katsmeow-afk needs a "charging" and power lite, and a digital readout with remote monitoring and logging would be nice
22:08 tsmeow-afk looks for a shrinkwrap stret
22:09 katsmeow-afk but sometimes one can find 14v 4amp laptop/monitor adapters for $7 or less, and sometimes it makes sense to use the chargers as battery chargers
22:14 katsmeow-afk 14v 4.75a with power cord, free s&h $10.49
22:21 tsmeow-afk admires the battery charger that can run off 100vac/dc-240vac/dc , is regulated to 14v exactly, current limited, sealed watertight (i even used glue-coated shrinkwrap), high efficency, and bugs cannot get
22:22 katsmeow-afk for $6.99 free s&h
22:25 katsmeow-afk once the batteries won't take the full amps from solar cells without being overvolted, they usually then will take only 4amps to hold above 13v, so i can switch to the individual equalising 14v chargers, which run on the dc directly from the cells, from 100vdc to 300vdc
22:25 katsmeow-afk altho i'd have 170vdc min
22:26 katsmeow-afk need a different way to store electrical power
22:27 katsmeow-afk you know people with grid-tie systems in Calif , the powerco are kicking people off if they attach batteries to the PV systems?
22:28 katsmeow-afk the powerco is afraid people will charge the batteries off cheap grid power and sell it back at the higher PV rates
22:28 katsmeow-afk hard to believe that wld be economical
23:43 rue_shop2 hard to beleive electricity rates
23:43 rue_shop2 if they used pumps and water storage hydro genorators they wouldn't ahve to buy new batteries all the time
23:43 rue_shop2 / compressed air
23:44 rue_shop2 with all the stuff I have for scrounging parts, its amazing some of the things I cant find,
23:44 rue_shop2 2.4k <1/4W resistors
23:44 rue_shop2 aparently have none
23:45 rue_shop2 they are not used in computer power supplies, crt monitor boards, or crt tube end baords, or anything industrial that I can find
23:47 katsmeow-afk why are you needng smalelr than 1/4 watt? even 1206 smd comes in 1/4 watt
23:48 katsmeow-afk there's a company south of me, got a contract with the powerco on a time-of-day basis, they run 100's of hp air compressors into a hollow underground salt dome with power is cheap, then let it out thru turbines when prices go up
23:49 katsmeow-afk there's several pumped hydro around the world, two in scotland(?), 500Mw each for 24 hrs each before "recharging"
23:59 tsmeow-afk ponders powering a windmill to make wind, and the next windmill 200 miles away catches the wind 4 hrs later and turns it back into electri