#garfield Logs

Apr 14 2013

01:10 eless-afk taps her claws on the t
01:10 useless-afk stillw aiting here
08:13 Tom_itx rue's good at leaving you hanging
11:12 rue_house http://hackaday.com/2013/04/12/horribly-complicated-electric-guitar-keyboard/
11:12 rue_house kat I could go on and on ab0out soemthing borring, but I dont think I could foce you to it enough to put you out
13:41 useless-afk i figured out why rue has internet problems : http://designerthinking.com/images/RUEINET.GIF
16:26 rue_house heheh
16:27 rue_house its an awesome day, I'm gonna go back outside!
16:43 useless-afk <me> i can't hear what you are saying, can you say it slower for me? <them> sher, ssssllllloooooorrrrrrr
18:49 rue_house iamturnip, was the trip back kind?
19:57 iamturnip rue_house: nice trip back
19:58 iamturnip 33lbs of PCB, approx 350lbs of batteries, steel unknown
20:14 Tom_itx kat you around?
20:40 rue_house hah
20:41 rue_house 350 of batteries should help make up for the trip!
20:41 rue_house that was only 33 of pcb eh?
20:41 useless-afk To, you around?
20:41 useless-afk m
20:42 rue_house who is to?
20:42 useless-afk to where?
20:43 Tom_itx kat, do you recall where you found that pallet of 6pin IDC headers on ebay for me?
20:44 Tom_itx i can only find them in ones and twos
20:44 useless-afk that was ages ago
20:44 Tom_itx it was
20:44 Tom_itx but you remembered
20:44 useless-afk i expect they got sold, i found only the good prices for you
20:45 Tom_itx mmm
20:46 useless-afk recall any specifics? and why are we talking about it?
20:46 Tom_itx 6 pin keyed Male shrouded header
20:46 Tom_itx i need more
20:47 Tom_itx 2 x 3
20:47 Tom_itx http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-2X3-6-Pin-2-54-IDC-Polarized-Socket-Header-Connector-I-/160835293731?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257287d223
20:48 Tom_itx just like those
20:48 eless-afk
20:49 useless-afk how many?
20:49 Tom_itx they're .50 on mouser
20:49 Tom_itx 1-200
20:50 Tom_itx i'm getting 100 from mouser unless you can find me some
20:50 useless-afk 100 for $19.60 free s&h
20:50 Tom_itx one more thing..
20:51 useless-afk ...
20:51 Tom_itx http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Pcs-2-54mm-Pitch-2x3-Pin-6-Pin-IDC-FC-Female-Header-Socket-Connector-/170938704657?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27ccbda311
20:51 useless-afk one more thing, you should hire me?
20:51 Tom_itx probably the same quantity
20:51 Tom_itx maybe i should
20:52 useless-afk so you want 100pcs 2.54mm 2x3Pin 6Pin Straight Male Shrouded PCB Header Connector for $19.60, or i should delete it?
20:52 Tom_itx can i see it?
20:52 Tom_itx yeah i'm interested
20:52 Tom_itx can i get more than one?
20:52 useless-afk more than 10 available: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-2-54mm-2x3Pin-6Pin-Straight-Male-Shrouded-PCB-Header-Connector-/281005577857
20:54 useless-afk shipping time bites, but that's what happenes when you don't keep your own local stock: you pay Mouser 50 cents each to keep local stock for you
20:54 Tom_itx i don't mind the time
20:54 Tom_itx i have a few to get by
20:54 useless-afk k
20:54 Tom_itx i wonder if he has the others too
20:56 useless-afk no
20:58 Tom_itx how did you find those so easy?
20:58 useless-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Pcs-2mm-Pitch-2x3-Pin-6-Pin-IDC-FC-Female-Header-Socket-Connector-/170940117068
20:58 eless-afk has google-fu , it works on ebay
20:58 Tom_itx what's -fu?
20:59 useless-afk japanese, i think
21:00 Tom_itx i wonder if he has the others
21:00 useless-afk which he do you mean now?
21:00 Tom_itx i wonder if the 2nd guy has the first part
21:00 Tom_itx the male shouded header
21:01 useless-afk http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Pcs-2mm-Pitch-2x3-Pin-6-Pin-IDC-FC-Female-Header-Socket-Connector-/170940117068 beats your http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-Pcs-2-54mm-Pitch-2x3-Pin-6-Pin-IDC-FC-Female-Header-Socket-Connector-/170938704657 , even fromt he same seller
21:02 useless-afk yeas
21:02 useless-afk err, no, sorry
21:02 useless-afk i didn't look
21:03 Tom_itx those are 2mm
21:03 Tom_itx sry
21:03 useless-afk oops
21:04 useless-afk strange a seller doesn't sell the male for the female they sell, or not the femail for the male they sell, but i have often thought many chinese sellers are the same person
21:05 Tom_itx yeah
21:05 useless-afk i know of one family in Pensacola that sells under difefrent names and addresses
21:05 Tom_itx that's still about half what mouser want's
21:05 Tom_itx the quality isn't quite as good but they work fine
21:05 Tom_itx lower temp plastic etc
21:06 eless-afk
21:08 rue_house iamturnip, damn we forgot the money counter
21:08 Tom_itx thanks kat
21:08 useless-afk <curtsey>
21:09 Tom_itx not saving much on the ribbon connector
21:10 useless-afk i did once keep my eyes on such things, but for so long you didn't want me offering up good deals ifound, so i quit looking at them
21:11 useless-afk on ebay, you haveto grab when it's available, bargains disappear
21:12 Tom_itx took time to use them up
21:12 Tom_itx can't get too much tied up at once
21:12 useless-afk ok
21:13 useless-afk i bought chips when i thought i'd have a pcb driller, that was a big waste of money , i know the feeling
21:15 Tom_itx i'd program those parts if you got me some dimensions just to try and see how long it takes to make one
21:17 useless-afk you'd haveto account for your cutter radius too, my measurements wouldn't
21:17 Tom_itx i can take care of all that
21:17 Tom_itx just need the actual part dimensions
21:18 useless-afk having a radius is fine, it was easier to not have a radius when using hacksaw and square files
21:18 Tom_itx if i get one done i'll take a pic before sending it
21:18 Tom_itx you can ok it or reject it
21:18 useless-afk but your costs? you already said i can't afford it
21:19 useless-afk at $1 foot for materisl, each pair is < 80 cents, and shipping would be more than that, you said
21:19 Tom_itx i said i'd make a couple and see
21:19 useless-afk k
21:19 useless-afk whan if i scan in the part itself?
21:21 Tom_itx how?
21:22 Tom_itx i assume you have calipers?
21:22 useless-afk yeas, flatbed scan looks real pretty
21:22 useless-afk your email?
21:22 Tom_itx will it scale right though?
21:23 useless-afk in included a ruler, if you print out on a regular paper it should scale
21:23 useless-afk you can always resize it in the puter
21:23 Tom_itx it must not be that critical then
21:24 useless-afk it is critical in one place
21:24 useless-afk i can dial caliper that easily
21:30 useless-afk email on it's way out the door
21:30 useless-afk gone
21:30 useless-afk 258k image
21:30 useless-afk i didn't crop it
21:32 useless-afk you can spot slight differences tween the oem plastic and the alum i made, those differences don't matter
21:33 useless-afk the ~45 deg angle is not critical either
21:33 useless-afk the heigth of the central notch-out isn't critical
21:34 useless-afk you will notice some relief down on the center of the oem plate tween the horns, again, doesn't matter
21:35 Tom_itx i'm tryin to finish this order first
21:35 Tom_itx then i'll open it
21:35 useless-afk k
21:41 useless-afk Tom , these are still online too, for reference :
21:41 useless-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/homemadeplugins/DSCF3209.jpg
21:42 useless-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/homemadeplugins/DSCF3207.jpg
21:42 useless-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/homemadeplugins/DSCF3206.jpg
21:43 Tom_itx i might just have you give me dimensions as i draw it
21:43 useless-afk i will be making changes soon, those will fit the oem plugin, the goal is to fit a non-tek plugin tho
21:43 useless-afk draw it?
21:43 Tom_itx you got good calipers right?
21:43 useless-afk i scanned it in to scale and sent it to you
21:43 Tom_itx yeah i'm gonna put it in cad
21:44 useless-afk i gave you the only critical dimension, other than it's 1x1 angle and 1/8 thick
21:45 Tom_itx bear with me here.. i got ppl talking to me, finishing the order and a few other things atm
21:46 eless-afk tosses everything she was going to do to one
21:46 Tom_itx printed
21:47 useless-afk if you lay a uler on the one in the printout, is it the right length?
21:49 useless-afk did it change size as it went thru the internets?
21:51 useless-afk hello?
21:51 Tom_itx broken window fixed
21:51 useless-afk huh?
21:51 m_itx sits back
21:52 m_itx throws boxes across the room to clear a
21:52 useless-afk and Tiggr takes this moment to grab a big pdf from somewhere
21:52 Tom_itx 3.600 between the base of the 2 tabs on the outside
21:53 useless-afk not according to the note i wrote in the email
21:53 Tom_itx so how do i scale it then?
21:54 Tom_itx mmm i could draw this one and scale it in cad probably as easy
21:54 useless-afk open in editor and enlarge 10%
21:54 useless-afk 3.6 is exactly 90% of 4.050
21:55 Tom_itx what is it overall?
21:56 useless-afk as measured on the ruler it's sitting on!
21:56 Tom_itx i don't see thousandths on it
21:56 useless-afk 4.845
21:56 Tom_itx 4 15/16?
21:57 useless-afk can be as small as 4.80
21:57 Tom_itx the height to the tips from the base?
21:57 Tom_itx vertical
21:57 Tom_itx from the backside to the tips
21:58 useless-afk i did an inch, oem is 0.985
21:58 useless-afk an inch fits fit
21:58 useless-afk fine
21:58 Tom_itx 90 deg on the outside of the tips edge?
21:58 Tom_itx vertical
21:59 useless-afk yeas, can taper in a degree, cannot taper out
21:59 Tom_itx what about the angle on the excess on each end?
21:59 Tom_itx horizontal
21:59 useless-afk oem did 90deg, i did 90deg
21:59 Tom_itx or should that be straight
21:59 Tom_itx plastic part looks straight
22:00 useless-afk which>
22:00 useless-afk ?
22:00 Tom_itx just the thickness of the angle
22:00 Tom_itx other surface
22:00 Tom_itx not the tips side
22:00 useless-afk between the horns?
22:00 Tom_itx outside the horns
22:00 Tom_itx that's just flat
22:01 useless-afk oem is flat thickness, i did a tiny taper cause i felt like it
22:01 useless-afk doesn't matter, it's no-contact
22:03 useless-afk the flat stretch tween the horns is oem 0.565,,,, can prolly be 0.500 to 0.600, i think i did 0.550, or what looked right
22:04 Tom_itx i get about 25 deg on the inside angle of the tips
22:05 Tom_itx .500 where??
22:05 Tom_itx oh the thickness of it
22:07 useless-afk make it .550, a medium
22:08 Tom_itx one is about 25 deg and the other is about 30 deg
22:08 Tom_itx inside angle on the tips
22:08 Tom_itx distance between tips at the top of the .550 dimension?
22:08 Tom_itx horizontal
22:08 useless-afk inside angles don't matter, pick a number that looks nice
22:09 useless-afk the very peak of the horn, or the top of the flat portion?
22:10 Tom_itx top of the flat
22:10 Tom_itx then the tips of the horns
22:10 Tom_itx next
22:10 useless-afk oem across the flat portion is 3.165, i don't care, it will vary with the angle, and the angle doesn't matter
22:11 Tom_itx ok i think i have most of what i need
22:11 useless-afk inside horn tip to inside horn tip is oem 3.620 , i don't care, can be .1 narroer with no problems at all
22:11 Tom_itx can't draw it tonight
22:13 Tom_itx well, i'll see.. i gotta do another something first
22:14 useless-afk k
22:14 useless-afk yu can make it nicer than what i did by hand, yeas?
22:14 Tom_itx do you have any cad programs?
22:14 useless-afk eagle
22:14 Tom_itx :(
22:15 useless-afk the pcb driller would have been my first cad/cam machine, up until then, and now, i have had no need to buy any cad/cam software
22:15 useless-afk it's not free for winblows
22:21 Tom_itx try to get a screen shot before sleep
22:21 useless-afk of?
22:21 Tom_itx cad
22:21 Tom_itx may not happen
22:21 useless-afk k
22:22 eless-afk debates doing anything, or
22:31 Tom_itx length of the oem part?
22:32 Tom_itx 4.845?
22:32 useless-afk i put it all away, hold on
22:33 useless-afk yeas
22:39 Tom_itx the very tip angle?
22:39 useless-afk there's 3 tip angles
22:39 Tom_itx and distance across the base of the very tippy tip
22:39 useless-afk see pics?
22:40 Tom_itx yah
22:40 Tom_itx from the left side up 90 deg then that tiny edge angle?
22:40 useless-afk i think it's 0.15 across the flat of the tips, 0.2 is also fine
22:40 Tom_itx what height does it start?
22:40 useless-afk lemme get calipers again
22:42 useless-afk the 90 deg str8 up goes to 0.80 before it angles over
22:42 Tom_itx and approx what is that angle?
22:43 useless-afk it will take me 5 minutes to go find a protractor
22:43 Tom_itx take a wag
22:43 useless-afk i can't wag when you want measurements to .001
22:43 Tom_itx oh
22:44 Tom_itx it would be the same as the inside one probably
22:44 Tom_itx i'll guess 30 deg
22:46 useless-afk it tilts 35 fron vertical
22:46 Tom_itx basically the same as the inner angle?
22:46 Tom_itx 30-35 deg?
22:47 Tom_itx the tippy tip is semi cemetrical
22:47 useless-afk the inside angle is 30 degrees and doesn't matter
22:48 useless-afk to repeat, the outside tippytip angle matters some, the inside angle doesn't matter at all
22:49 useless-afk i did it just so people wouldn't ask "what's that?" when they expected the oem design
22:49 Tom_itx almost there
22:49 useless-afk makes it a lil stronger <shrug>
22:50 useless-afk see the lil bevel i put on the center long stretch tween the horns?
22:51 useless-afk you can see it shiney in http://designerthinking.com/images/homemadeplugins/DSCF3209.jpg
22:52 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/kat/horns.jpg
22:53 useless-afk there's no radii
22:53 Tom_itx there's no tool yet either
22:53 Tom_itx it will come with the tool
22:53 useless-afk oh
22:54 Tom_itx that's what i'm telling it i want
22:54 Tom_itx look ok?
22:54 useless-afk note there's 3 bevels on the horn tips
22:54 Tom_itx any mods?
22:54 Tom_itx yeah i'll have to draw a surface on that to mill it
22:54 useless-afk looks fine, the mods i was going to do tonite, didn't get done
22:54 Tom_itx what's that front angle?
22:54 Tom_itx on the 'surface'
22:54 useless-afk i dunno
22:55 Tom_itx just one side or both?
22:55 useless-afk on
22:55 Tom_itx is the bottom flat?
22:55 useless-afk yeas
22:55 Tom_itx guess an angle on that part
22:55 useless-afk all the data i have *now* is for the one edge of the 1x1 inch angle
22:55 Tom_itx across the face of the tip
22:55 Tom_itx yes
22:55 useless-afk drawing....
22:56 Tom_itx the other is a straight cut
22:56 Tom_itx right?
22:56 useless-afk 50 deg off vertical
22:56 useless-afk which other?
22:57 Tom_itx the other part of the 90 deg angle iron
22:57 useless-afk as shown in all the pics i tookk, yeas
22:57 Tom_itx is that how it should be?
22:57 Tom_itx 1" front to back?
22:58 useless-afk plain, unmachined, original aluminum angle
22:58 Tom_itx any holes?
22:58 useless-afk sadly, yeas, because i didn't get upstairs to get the rest f the numbers worked out
22:58 useless-afk no holes
22:58 Tom_itx k
22:58 Tom_itx the basic drawing is ok then
22:58 useless-afk there will be holes, but i cannot place them now because i stayed down here
22:58 useless-afk yeas
22:59 Tom_itx how much thickness is left on the tip given the 50 deg angle?
22:59 Tom_itx about.060" ?
22:59 Tom_itx about half the thickness of the angle
22:59 useless-afk oem is .040, i think i left .060
23:00 useless-afk chew off more than half the thickness, oem left just enough flat top to not draw blood if poked
23:00 Tom_itx it may draw blood unless you sand it
23:00 useless-afk .040 is good
23:00 Tom_itx k
23:00 Tom_itx will see how accurate the mill is now
23:00 useless-afk .040 x .150 - ish
23:01 Tom_itx it would be easier to file that
23:01 useless-afk which?
23:01 Tom_itx since when i mill it, that side will be down
23:01 Tom_itx those little tits
23:02 useless-afk umm, that side should be up, you can clamp the edge of the angle you are not milling
23:02 Tom_itx it would vibrate too much i think
23:02 Tom_itx i plan to clamp it flat to the table
23:02 useless-afk you lil mill can't push enough to deflect it?
23:02 useless-afk ok
23:02 Tom_itx i may try that once
23:02 useless-afk that will mean the cutter is sticking out over an inch tho
23:03 Tom_itx yep
23:03 Tom_itx it'll squeal like a pig
23:03 useless-afk leave a rough cut?
23:03 Tom_itx i'll see how it goes
23:03 Tom_itx need to sleep now
23:04 useless-afk k