#garfield Logs

Mar 31 2013

00:03 rue_house so, now I have an abundance of computer cases without sides
00:03 Tom_itx rue_house, if you know about jtag you could help dude in #avr
00:04 rue_house my extent of knowadge about jtag is to turn it off
00:04 Tom_itx i don't use it so i hesitate to comment to him
00:04 Tom_itx and my brain is fading tonight
00:05 rue_house iamturni1, could I do a case exchage with you?
00:05 rue_house if I had 4 good cases... I could do without the 11 or so I have without sides...
00:06 rue_house its stupid, I have a set of sides here I cant find a case to match...
00:06 rue_house how does this happen!?!!
00:07 rue_house and I'm overflowing in 15" monitors and 512M laptop ram cards
00:13 rue_house I'm using computer cases for plant stands, cat steps, and project boxes, this is crazy
00:13 rue_house got to get rid of theis full size AT case... like... really...
00:14 rue_house I dont think I can cut it out into an atx
00:14 rue_house now seems like a fine time to try
00:23 iamturni1 sure man you can have 4 standrd cases
00:23 iamturni1 i can give you some bigger ones too
00:23 iamturni1 i have some nice alum ones
00:23 iamturni1 send me a shopping list via email before the icome over
00:24 any64572945 <blink>
00:24 any64572945 shame it's too pricey to ship anything
00:25 iamturnip any64572945: not really...we ship to the USA all the time pretty darn cheap i find
00:25 iamturnip but then again its all in the eye of the person who holds the wallet i guess
00:25 any64572945 $50 is not cheap
00:25 iamturnip fair enough
00:26 any64572945 rue, you could always use them as roof shingles
00:26 iamturnip our avg US shipment is between $12 and $26 dollars I find
00:26 any64572945 instead of that tarp you have over the mecha
00:27 rue_house hehe
00:27 rue_house iamturnip, k, I'll liberally scrap cases, and put 4 atx cases on the shopping list...
00:27 any64572945 i wanted to do that with the sheet metal wrapping washer and dryers at the scrap yard, but they won't let me cu the sides off, i haveto buy the entire machine, which is too pricey for metal shingles
00:28 rue_house iamturnip, I should make a list of things I have that may be of value to you too
00:29 y64572945 sits stupidly and watches paint on the walls get
00:30 rue_house iamturnip, now I have maybe 150-200lbs of steel, is that worth you taking back or shall I just lose it locally
00:30 rue_house case and frame steel, pretty clean
00:30 rue_house (verry little plastic)
00:31 rue_house the at case wont easily (and nicely) convert to atx, incase anyone is wondering
00:32 any64572945 no, i was wonding how many Pi puters or mini-itx would fit in it on edge
00:34 rue_house full size at case? well tearing it apart just doubled the free space in the shop, I'd say you could fit about, well 6 easy itx cases
00:35 y64572945 has 2 or 3 cases 2ft tall, is that what they
00:35 any64572945 one may be 3ft tall
00:35 any64572945 it's huge, it was a 286-20 , iirc
00:37 rue_house full size is more than 24
00:37 rue_house I think mine here is 36"
00:37 rue_house er 37
00:38 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/ctg/Brocade-FastIron-LS-FLS624-EPREM-24-Ports-External-Switch-Managed-/77151322
00:38 rue_house oh its 1G
00:38 rue_house wonder why I got it
00:39 rue_house oh maybe I should look at switching to vlans and using that instead of the dual nic'd router...
00:39 rue_house hmm $1200 ouch..
00:39 rue_house I wonder why I have it
01:36 rue_house iamturnip, I just went thru all the cases, I'v done this before, apparently its not as bad as I thought, if I had 1 or 2 descent cases I'd be more than fine
02:23 rue_house Lola8088, did you want a desktop computer?
02:23 rue_house wit a 15" lcd monitor?
02:54 iamturnip rue_house: I'll take all your scrap don't matter what it is
03:29 rue_house heh, ok, I suggest only if it benifits you I can get rid of most things here
03:29 rue_house the box of motherbaords is looking pretty good
03:39 rue_house jhahahahahha ahahhaa
03:39 rue_house I just spent like an hour getting a 5.25" drive to work on a new machine and found out the drive bay isn't deep enough for it, ahahahhahahahaha
03:39 rue_house I think I can fix..
11:42 jennie driver ready to etch and solder http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/12556894/img/Anonymous/etchdriver.jpg
11:52 Tom_itx you might want fat traces on the high current areas
11:52 Tom_itx they tend to become fuses if you don't
11:58 jennie hmm
12:56 y64572945 has recognised a repeating deja vu cycle, and wonders if scheduling them would have the effect of making them stop,,, and why they'd
13:05 any64572945 http://dejongandlebet.com/901_Giljam.htm
14:23 rue_house jennie, never etcha circuit you dont know works....
14:38 jennie ohh
14:38 jennie :-(
14:39 jennie I already etched and drilled it
14:39 jennie now have to make it rue_
14:54 rue_house jennie, how do you know if it WORKS?
14:54 jennie after making it ?
14:54 rue_house you should always breadbaord your circuits first
14:55 rue_house make sure they work, and tune them, then make them :)
14:55 jennie ok but I do not have three breadboards
14:55 any64572945 nono, breadboard ONE and test it
14:56 jennie how can we test 3 phase motor from one phase only ?
14:56 rue_house build the whole thing
14:56 any64572945 of course, it's a relative thing, if making the pcb is cheap and fast, especially if high freq, i'd just make it
14:56 rue_house you dont need 3 breadbaords for that if you pack it good
14:57 rue_house you dont need 3 lm339 chips, the chip has 4 comparitors in it
14:57 any64572945 well
14:57 rue_house oh dear
14:58 any64572945 which of us is dear?
14:58 rue_house jen
14:58 y64572945 sits in a co
14:58 rue_house I suppose they will learn alot about etching
14:58 any64572945 learning can be fun
15:07 rue_house sqrt(cos(x))*cos(300x)+sqrt(abs(x))-0.7)*(4-x*x)^0.01, sqrt(6-x^2), -sqrt(6-x^2) from -4.5 to 4.5
15:07 rue_house degrees or radians I wonder
15:09 jennie so now we are not sure that it will work or not ?
15:10 rue_house always be sure before you etch something
15:10 rue_house compeltely
15:10 rue_house your talking to a guy who etched 24 baord before he tested them
15:10 rue_house had to throw out the design on a fundamental level
15:10 jennie ohh
15:11 jennie 24 ?
15:11 rue_house yea, motor controllers for a hexapod
15:11 rue_house all etched, and mostly drilled
15:11 rue_house I thought all I had to do was tune them, but it turned out there was an oscillation that couldn't be solved
15:12 rue_house anyhow, I'v done it a few other times too
15:12 rue_house it may work, but always be sure
15:16 jennie ok
15:20 jennie but now I have etched it so I will try to mode/ tune at this PCB
15:22 any64572945 "dead bug" practice
15:23 jennie I thought to make it deadbug but I dead are hard to mod/tune'
15:23 any64572945 what?
15:23 jennie if you want to add something to deadbug circuit then it is hard
15:23 jennie new component
15:24 any64572945 right, but it's easy to add dead bugs to an already made pcb
15:24 any64572945 especially if you do standoffs or set in whole new pcbs on edge
15:24 any64572945 there's an art to prototyping circuits
15:26 y64572945 worked in an R&D lab for years, using her paws to build and debug, back when she wasn't useless (because if your legs don't work 100%, dog knows you lost all your brains and use of your experienced paws
17:56 rue_shop2 Lola8088, heh, well that went all left
17:56 rue_shop2 I looked at the clock little after you left and it was 3:30
18:31 any64572945 iamturnip , got any generic laptop wallwarts for sale cheap?
18:40 Lola8088 yeah Susie was here when I got home, but she wasn't waiting long.
19:07 any64572945 damn i wish a had a pcb driller, there's people talking abou needing things i'd be interested indoing
20:04 rue_house I drill all mine in the press
20:04 rue_house top speed
20:05 rue_house on a double-stickey-taped-down-piece-of-foam
20:05 rue_house mmm lunch
20:06 rue_house I need to make a machine so cooking a bowl of noodles dosn't take 6 hours
20:11 Tom_itx pressure cooker
20:11 Tom_itx try again
20:11 rue_house it took me 5.75 hours to obtain a pot of boiling water
20:11 Lola8088 1/2 cup macaroni, 1/2 cup H2O, 1/2 cup milk, 1/4 cup cheese, microwave 2 min on high, stir, repeat 2 min & stir twice.
20:11 rue_house I evaporated 6 pots of water in the process
20:12 rue_house hmm!
20:12 Tom_itx at least you didn't burn the bottom outta the pan
20:12 rue_house I have to go shopping, I'll get cheese
20:12 rue_house it was still sizzling when I got in a few times
20:56 any64572945 nukebox, put noodles in bowl, cover with inch of water, set on 20 minutes, when it dings it's done, drain if needed
20:57 rue_house damnit damnit damnit damnit damnit
20:58 any64572945 idiot washing machine thought it was going to put one over on me, it was refusing to rinse the clothes, but i remembered i shut the faucets off before leaving for Fla, and all i had to do was turn the water back on :-P
20:58 rue_house I didn't catch the freaking clock in time to make it to the store befor tehy closed damnit
20:58 rue_house damnit I wanted to get groveries
20:58 rue_house damnit
20:58 any64572945 got a Delorian?
20:58 rue_house out of uranium!
20:59 any64572945 oh :-(
21:19 rue_house kat, please help me here
21:19 rue_house why would anyone buy...
21:19 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SCA-80-TO-68-Pin-Ultra-SCSI-II-III-LVD-SE-Connector-Adapter-/320980990228
21:19 rue_house when there is...
21:20 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SCA-80-ADAPTER-TO-68-PIN-ULTRA-SCSI-II-III-LVD-SE-C-/280498842646
21:21 rue_house on average, the ones selling from the states go for $7 ea
21:21 rue_house WHY?!
21:23 Tom_itx abs brakes have wheel encoder sensors?
21:23 y64572945 does not
21:23 any64572945 yeas
21:23 rue_house I also dont understand why 4G ultra wide scsi drives are listed for over $200
21:23 rue_house Tom_itx, low res
21:23 Tom_itx got a noisy bearing i should look into
21:23 any64572945 a tooth ~ every .1
21:23 rue_house my truck has rwal that uses the spedometer tap
21:23 Tom_itx dunno whether to get the hub or replace the bearing
21:23 Tom_itx rear
21:24 any64572945 front wheel drive?
21:24 Tom_itx yeah
21:24 any64572945 replace bearings in rear
21:24 any64572945 replace hub infront
21:24 Tom_itx i don't have a press
21:25 Tom_itx i may have a puller for it
21:25 rue_house so, hmm, I have like 8 of these server backplane scsi drives, should I spend $3 on an adapter..
21:25 any64572945 rear bearings were not all that much on my car, Ford dealership wanted $250 to press with, i used a 8lb sledge
21:25 Tom_itx that's kinda hard on the bearings isn't it?
21:25 Tom_itx i've done it too..
21:25 rue_house aren't you replacing them?
21:25 any64572945 the front hub, is afaik, unreplaceable bearngs, hasto replace as a unit
21:25 Tom_itx you gotta press the new one on
21:26 rue_house make a press
21:26 rue_house I been meaning too
21:26 rue_house need to come across some 4" square stock
21:26 Tom_itx i could take it out to my friend's shop
21:26 any64572945 don't hit the bearing directly, use the old race on the new race, and a pipe ,, hit the pipe
21:26 Tom_itx he's got a good press
21:26 Tom_itx kat, yeah i've done that before
21:27 any64572945 first time the hammer bounces, stop hitting it, it's solid
21:27 Tom_itx yep
21:27 Tom_itx i fixed the trans leak for $.50
21:27 rue_house ok I better do kitty litter
21:27 Tom_itx they wanted $25 for the part
21:28 rue_house I'm gonna reglue the cloth to the truck cieling
21:28 any64572945 end of the pipe hasto be square, turn it on the lathe if you can
21:28 Tom_itx i put a new seal in it
21:28 Tom_itx o ring
21:28 Tom_itx yep
21:28 Tom_itx been there many times
21:29 Tom_itx i have a set of front end tools with pipe like fittings
21:29 Tom_itx one would probably fit
21:29 any64572945 i had a inner race on a 1965 pinion gear not wanna move, it wouldn't shatter either, i had to cut it off with a torch
21:29 Tom_itx i'll have to get a wrench to fit the nut though
21:29 Tom_itx i don't think i have one that big
21:30 Tom_itx i have an angle grinder if the outer race gets stuck on
21:30 Tom_itx inner..
21:30 any64572945 most car stuff comes off wwith the 3/4 drive sockets, trucks tend to need bigger ones
21:30 any64572945 i didn't have an angle grinder in 1972
21:30 Tom_itx all i got is 1/2
21:32 any64572945 wget isn't responding to -w4h
21:32 any64572945 it isn't respondng to -w14000 either
21:33 rue_house -w = wait?
21:33 rue_house -w seconds
21:33 rue_house --wait=seconds
21:33 rue_house Wait the specified number of seconds between the retrievals. Use of this option is recommended, as it lightens the server load by making the requests less frequent. Instead
21:33 rue_house of in seconds, the time can be specified in minutes using the "m" suffix, in hours using "h" suffix, or in days using "d" suffix.
21:33 rue_house Specifying a large value for this option is useful if the network or the destination host is down, so that Wget can wait long enough to reasonably expect the network error to
21:33 rue_house be fixed before the retry. The waiting interval specified by this function is influenced by "--random-wait", which see.
21:34 any64572945 i read that 10 times
21:34 any64572945 me reading it didn't help wget work right
21:34 rue_house your usage looks ok
21:34 rue_house I was just bringing it here to read
21:34 any64572945 o
21:35 any64572945 you didn't use ----------------------
21:35 rue_house :)
21:35 rue_house if it were a screen long I wouldn't make it thru it
21:35 rue_house esp is half of it wasn't related to whatever was going on
21:36 rue_house maybe its retrying?
21:36 any64572945 no
21:36 rue_house hmm
21:37 rue_house to transfer the os to the new filesystem I need to shut it down for a while (shop fileserver) and I dont want to
21:37 rue_house its going form a P150 to a 1Ghz cellery
21:38 rue_house from 32M of ram to 1.512G
21:38 any64572945 sounds like a new puter
21:39 Tom_itx i wonder where i find the plug if it's got an abs sensor
21:40 rue_house "ok Jimmy, your next word to spell is monday, monday." "Monday, we go to school on monday. D I S A S T E R"
21:40 Tom_itx you'd think i'd know these things
21:40 any64572945 what's a plug to do with the abs sensor?
21:40 Tom_itx it would tell me if it has rear abs brakes or not
21:41 any64572945 spark plugs aren't that smart
21:41 rue_house what? your telling me the spark plugs know NOTHING about rear wheel antilock brakes?
21:41 any64572945 mine don't
21:42 rue_house oh god the mowerbot is still out
21:42 rue_house <sigh>
21:42 e_house grumbles about upgrading that
21:42 any64572945 let it spread the cat litter around?
21:42 rue_house its on the charger, its first run of the year was a little sad
21:42 any64572945 o
21:43 rue_house the batteries were showing signs of trying to retire, I think its time to put in the next set
21:43 any64572945 Tom , between the brake rotor and the car, look for a gear with square teeth ~ 80 thou tall and spaced
21:44 Tom_itx it's inside the hub
21:44 any64572945 i don't think i like your car
21:45 Tom_L http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeSykJguOjY
21:45 any64572945 that's a motorcylce
21:46 any64572945 that's drum brakes
21:46 Tom_itx pfft
21:46 Tom_itx he said toyota
21:46 Tom_itx wrong one
21:47 any64572945 well, tehre ya go, you got a video on it, what was the question?
21:48 Tom_itx wrong vehicle i think
21:48 Tom_itx i didn't have volume the first time thru
21:48 any64572945 how does it have both disk AND drum brakes??
21:49 Tom_itx well it doesn't
21:49 any64572945 the u-tube on edoes
21:50 any64572945 note: use a c-clamp on the caliper piston to keep idle fluid pressure from pushing it out while it's hanging there, because that can happen, amaking reassebly difficult
21:50 Tom_itx yep i know that trick too
21:51 any64572945 :-)
21:52 any64572945 with a -w14000 it is waiting 9 minutes
21:54 any64572945 --21:19:03-- http:
21:54 any64572945 --21:38:47-- http:
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22:01 rue_house a backup is a great start to an upgrade
22:02 any64572945 this was supposed to be a 5 minute thing, then empty the washer, then go back up for more welding
22:03 rue_house WELDING!!
22:03 rue_house I shoudl make a point of doing welding every weekend, how else can I know if I'v truely lived
22:03 any64572945 changes out the 1/2 motor on the bandsaw for a 1hp, i haveto widen the dedicated handtruck i made for it, by a measely 2 inches
22:04 any64572945 the 1/2 motor kept dropping into the start cap
22:05 rue_house change it all out for hydraulic and make a portable powerpack
22:05 rue_house 'portable' of course
22:05 any64572945 funny, that same motor is sold by the chinese with nameplates of 1/2 hp, 3/4 hp, and 1 hp
22:05 rue_house then you can put whatever mtoor you like on whatever
22:05 any64572945 the motor i just put on is considerably bigger, and usa made
22:06 rue_house I came in tooo... damn...
22:06 any64572945 i believe it's 1 hp
22:06 any64572945 changed to a wget.exe that's 2x as big, but STILL no version number in it
22:08 rue_house ? hmm
22:10 any64572945 220 KB (225,280 bytes) vs 438 KB (449,024 bytes)
22:11 any64572945 version ? vs version 1.11.4.3287
22:31 Lolina8088
22:58 any64572945 welding vent fan is sucking in burning garbage smoke from outside
22:58 y64572945 q
23:03 rue_house maybe a thru-ground filter of about 30 feet ^3
23:04 any64572945 i was to have two of those, one on the house intake, and one on thewoodburner exhaust
23:44 e_shop2 closes up
23:58 rue_house drat, the rice cooker just failed me again
23:58 rue_house half cooked rice
23:58 rue_house if I try to add more water it makes me rice mush
23:58 rue_house I have to try to start supper again
23:58 rue_house grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr