#garfield Logs
Feb 26 2013
#garfield Calendar
00:00 katsmeow-afk hmm?
00:00 rue_house sorry kat, the key is in the audio of the vid
00:00 katsmeow-afk o
00:00 rue_house hwo to make carbon sheets with a cd writer
00:02 rue_house Lola8088, I heard something about this earlier, but thats the clearest description I'v seen yet
00:02 Lola8088 It's pretty damn cool.
00:02 Lola8088 Carbon batteries. Yup.
00:02 katsmeow-afk it's also not new
00:03 Lola8088 Nope, not new, but much more accessable
00:03 rue_house capacitors, thats different
00:04 Lola8088 supercapacitors, that may eventually end up inside a battery like device
00:04 Lola8088 We'll see. :)
00:04 rue_house I wonder how easy their results are to get
00:04 rue_house wonder if I can do supercaps for my truck
00:05 Lola8088 try it... I wanna know how they suspended it in the fluid
00:05 rue_house I have a pile of cd writers
00:07 rue_house there is a trick to graphine oxide tho
00:08 tsmeow-afk ponders all those car tires she's been collec
00:08 rue_house I think I saw bedtime go by
00:09 katsmeow-afk in 4 minutes my brain shut soff too
00:11 rue_bed hmmm
00:13 katsmeow-afk dduuuhhhhhhhh
00:14 rue_bed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_oxide
00:14 rue_bed oxidizer, like... bleach?
00:16 katsmeow-afk oxygen
00:16 katsmeow-afk COOH is carbon, oxyget, and hydrogen
00:17 katsmeow-afk afaik, any other chemicals they use is to cut up the carbon so the oxygen can bind
00:17 katsmeow-afk there's some terrifically strong bonds in carbon, which is why carbon fiber is stronger than anyting else
00:18 rue_bed but yo cant just oxidize carbon -> co2
00:19 katsmeow-afk yeas you can, it's called "burning"
00:20 katsmeow-afk anhtacite coal is almost all carbon, it burns hot, leaves few ashes, and releases gobs of CO2
00:20 katsmeow-afk anthracite
00:21 katsmeow-afk Dispersed graphene oxide flakes can also be sifted out of the dispersion (as in paper manufacture) and pressed to make an exceedingly strong graphene oxide paper.[22]
00:23 katsmeow-afk http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21572686 Bad sleep 'dramatically' alters body
00:43 katsmeow-afk ah hah! the solution, literally, to cleaning peanut btter jars so they can be used for electronics is NOT detergents, it's (my homemade) windex in water! (and a few days soak)
00:44 katsmeow-afk the ammonia makes the fats hydrophilic, so they let go of each other and the plastic, and it all almost falls tot he botton and pours out
00:45 katsmeow-afk leaves the plastic jars squeeky clean
12:08 katsmeow-afk ..
12:08 katsmeow-afk new trick on the internet:
12:08 katsmeow-afk 18 157 ms 157 ms 157 ms ns2.videon-znojmo.cz [212.96.160.50]
12:08 katsmeow-afk 19 157 ms * 156 ms r-hate-epic1-local.czechbone.net [212.96.160.49]
12:08 katsmeow-afk 20 158 ms 159 ms 158 ms ns2.videon-znojmo.cz [212.96.160.50]
12:08 katsmeow-afk 21 157 ms 157 ms * r-hate-epic1-local.czechbone.net [212.96.160.49]
12:08 katsmeow-afk 22 158 ms 159 ms 158 ms ns2.videon-znojmo.cz [212.96.160.50]
12:08 katsmeow-afk 23 158 ms 158 ms 158 ms r-hate-epic1-local.czechbone.net [212.96.160.49]
13:14 katsmeow-afk given that apples and oppossums both biological structures have cells and dna, isn't it interesting they behave differently in the environment?
13:58 katsmeow-afk “Hi, I’m Mxyztplk” is a grammatically valid sentence if your name happens to be Mxyztplk. (Come to think of it, it’s just as grammatically valid if you’re lying.)
14:11 katsmeow-afk wow, Riff sure looks different now!! (NSFW) http://imgs.WetRiffs.com/_MG_3298.jpg
14:19 katsmeow-afk the time is 13:72, i have a levitation class at 25:131, better set the alarm to cinnamon
14:43 katsmeow-afk "all i want is 2 alligators that will love each other forever!"
14:46 katsmeow-afk I'm awake! now if i could remember the point of that......
15:35 katsmeow-afk wow, abbreviations for everything : WOT = Warmed-Over Taste (reheated food)
15:43 Tom_itx http://www.acronymfinder.com/
15:43 Tom_itx yup
15:46 katsmeow-afk what's "yup" mean?
15:46 katsmeow-afk wot?
15:46 Tom_itx nope
15:47 katsmeow-afk http://www.acronymfinder.com/YUP.html
15:47 katsmeow-afk Yhdistyneet Urbaanit Puoskarit
15:47 katsmeow-afk http://www.acronymattic.com/YUP.html
15:47 katsmeow-afk wow
15:48 katsmeow-afk suddenly got 1000x harder to figure out what someone said
15:48 Tom_itx yup
15:48 katsmeow-afk http://www.acronymattic.com/said.html
15:49 katsmeow-afk Note: Acronym Finder has no verified definitions for someone
15:49 tsmeow-afk is undefi
15:51 katsmeow-afk ok, back to pulling wire, i spose
15:51 tsmeow-afk is scared to look up what "wire" m
15:52 Tom_itx it's not a dictionary
15:52 katsmeow-afk http://www.acronymattic.com/wire.html
15:53 katsmeow-afk bbl
16:43 katsmeow goddamned neghbors called to say their power was too high and was always shutting off, so the power co came out ans hut off MY power
16:43 katsmeow they LIED to the powerco, and got MY power disconnected
16:43 katsmeow goddamned humans
17:01 katsmeow Hitachi 250GB 8MB 7200RPM IDE/ATA Hard Drive -FREE SHIPThis seller accepts PayPal
17:01 katsmeow 8MB Cache, 7200RPM, 1 Year Warranty, Sealed, 3.5" HDD
17:01 katsmeow Buy It Now or Best Offer $1,139.95
17:01 katsmeow Shipping:Free
18:55 rue_house hah
18:55 rue_house but free shipping eh?
18:55 rue_house katsmeow, can you find me any of those glue on strain guages?
18:57 Tom_itx yay
18:57 Tom_itx lathe post worked
18:58 Tom_itx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oye3BxqXKmw
18:58 katsmeow yes, i can
18:58 katsmeow yay!
18:58 katsmeow rue, can you tell me how Riff used the gyro on an avr?
19:00 katsmeow this sense weight with a painted-on strain guage :http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEIGHMAX-75-LB-Pound-Digital-POSTAL-Shipping-SCALE-w-ac-Free-EXPEDITED-Shipping-/300867829497 ; 6d 17h leftTuesday, 11AM ; $1.54 ; 3 bids ; Free shipping
19:01 katsmeow 86 LB DIGITAL POSTAL SCALE SHIPPING by SAGA X 0.1 OZ WEIGHT POSTAGE W/USB-DC M/B
19:01 katsmeow Store: AltlinkStore
19:01 katsmeow Seller User Id: alt-link
19:01 katsmeow Feedback: 99.8% positive, 48,481 reviews
19:01 katsmeow The item is listed as a Top Rated Plus item
19:01 katsmeow
19:01 katsmeow Time left: 21m leftToday 7:09PM
19:01 katsmeow
19:01 katsmeow $1.25
19:01 katsmeow 4 bids
19:01 katsmeow +$8.70 shipping
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19:01 katsmeow 86 LB DIGITAL POSTAL SCALE SHIPPING by SAGA X 0.1 OZ WEIGHT POSTAGE W/USB-DC B86
19:01 katsmeow Store: AltlinkStore
19:01 katsmeow Seller User Id: alt-link
19:01 katsmeow Feedback: 99.8% positive, 48,481 reviews
19:01 katsmeow The item is listed as a Top Rated Plus item
19:01 katsmeow
19:01 katsmeow Time left: 41m leftToday 7:30PM
19:01 katsmeow
19:01 katsmeow $0.01
19:01 katsmeow 2 bids
19:01 katsmeow +$8.70 shipping
19:01 katsmeow ------------
19:01 katsmeow http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=digital+postal+scale&_sop=1
19:03 katsmeow looks like a lot of them are $8.70 with free s&h, prolly not too bad for a walwart, strain guage, calibrated, with a 4-digit display
19:06 katsmeow or $0.01 with $8.70 s&h
19:17 katsmeow .......................
19:25 rue_house oh ow
19:26 rue_house May not ship to Canada
19:26 katsmeow does that mean you won't tell me how Riff connected what gyro to what avr?
19:27 rue_house need them for less than $8 ea
19:27 rue_house he used i2c
19:27 rue_house he has a library that does stuff for him
19:27 rue_house someitmes he can get it to work
19:27 katsmeow that's like saying he used solder
19:31 rue_house he's driving it around in his car
19:31 Tom_itx i thought it was all the new rage
19:31 katsmeow no, i mean how the hell he gets data off it ans sets it up
19:31 rue_house Tom_itx, no, I downloaded the webbots library a year ago
19:32 Tom_itx katsmeow, probably spi
19:32 rue_house katsmeow, webbots has a function to do it
19:32 rue_house in C
19:32 Tom_itx ok rue_house,
19:32 rue_house but the C documentation for webbots is really weak
19:32 katsmeow Tom, and i connect to the internet with copper wire
19:32 Tom_itx should i rip the motor and control out of the washer before i send it off to the dump?
19:32 katsmeow answered that last week
19:32 Tom_itx it's serial controlled
19:33 Tom_itx and i don't know the protocol
19:33 rue_house you have a lathe and cnc machine
19:33 rue_house make it better
19:33 Tom_itx all i really wanted was the 3phase motor and control for it
19:33 Tom_itx to use maybe as a spindle motor for a bigger mill
19:33 Tom_itx it's got feedback etc builtin
19:36 rue_house its one of the electronic motors?
19:36 Tom_itx yeah
19:36 rue_house katsmeow, ?
19:36 Tom_itx not a F&P but regular shape motor
19:38 katsmeow rue?
19:38 rue_house I'm trying to answer your question
19:38 katsmeow not sure how :
19:38 katsmeow [19:20] <rue_house> you have a lathe and cnc machine
19:39 katsmeow [19:20] <rue_house> make it better
19:39 rue_house he briefly used it closed loop to keep a gripper level
19:39 rue_house that was to tom, regarding his washing machine
19:39 tsmeow is less interested in what he used it for, and more in how he got to talk t
19:40 rue_house he connected 3 wires and used the gui program on windows to make the avr send the data from the sensor to an lcd
19:40 rue_house he dosn't know how it works
19:40 rue_house he just used the library and the gui
19:41 katsmeow it crosses my lil mind that if a gyro in my foot says it suddenly undergoes a negative acceleration, then it's prolly on the ground, and if it suddenly then shows a lateral accel then it's sliding
19:41 katsmeow ok
19:41 rue_house katsmeow, ok
19:41 katsmeow know it's on the gnd, and knowing if it is stationary, seems important to walking robots
19:42 rue_house yes
19:42 katsmeow or if it kicked something unexpectedly
19:42 rue_house definitly
19:43 katsmeow or if the hand impacted the fridge door handle
19:44 Tom_itx adxl345 iirc
19:44 Tom_itx 3 axis
19:44 Tom_itx mems
19:44 katsmeow so if Riff can do this small experiment: turn on the accel, make it stationary but not ridgid, touch it litely with a full beer can, tell me what the accel chip says
19:45 rue_house it gives numbers from 0 to 16G
19:45 katsmeow he did it?
19:45 rue_house I dont knwo how many bits
19:45 katsmeow my experiment pertains to sensitivity and speed of action by the avr
19:45 rue_house he used it to keep an arm level and a gripper level, and drive it around in his car
19:45 katsmeow that is so not like what i asked
19:47 rue_house wow, 10.5c rise on the boiler, best I'v ever seen was 12c
19:47 katsmeow how many btu is that per ft of emt?
19:47 rue_house I dont know the gpm :)
19:47 katsmeow Tom? http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=m570.l3201&_nkw=adxl345&_sacat=0
19:50 katsmeow iirc, 10 yrs ago such things were $100's
19:50 rue_house http://www.instructables.com/id/Soft-Robots-Make-An-Artificial-Muscle-Arm-And-Gri/
19:51 katsmeow Gri ?
19:51 rue_house I dont analize urls
19:54 katsmeow it's lift capacity is ~ one lb
19:59 katsmeow wtf http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/254714/AD/ADXL345.html
20:03 katsmeow http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/ADXL345.pdf
20:04 katsmeow Ultra
20:04 katsmeow low power:
20:04 katsmeow as
20:04 katsmeow low as
20:04 katsmeow 23
20:04 katsmeow ?A in measurement mode
20:20 rue_house http://www.instructables.com/id/Conductive-Rubber-Make-Touch-Sensitive-Robot-Skin/step3/Make-Conductive-Rubber-Sheets/
20:23 katsmeow i dunno about that corn starch, i suspect that may make it sensitive to humidity
20:23 rue_house I'd like to play with it
20:25 katsmeow oh, that stuff is merely *conductive and flexable* it isn't changing resistance when stretched
20:26 rue_house I belive your right, But I'd be surprised if it dosn't also have that properly
20:26 rue_house ty
20:40 Tom_itx rue_house, what do you know about cisco routers?
20:40 rue_house they might use a mips processor, all the firmware is on the flash card if you want to try to load linux on it
20:40 katsmeow 3x5mm and 1mm thick
20:41 Tom_itx http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps380/data_sheet_c78-519930.html
20:41 Tom_itx any good?
20:42 Tom_itx CISCO891-K9
20:42 rue_house no, its got antennas
20:42 Tom_itx is what i'm lookng at
20:42 Tom_itx there are several models there
20:42 rue_house ;)
20:42 rue_house I use a pc as a router
20:42 Tom_itx i asked someone about that once
20:43 Tom_itx didn't get much info on that
20:43 rue_house you need to know what your doing
20:43 rue_house but if you do, you can wrap it around your pinkey if you want
20:43 Tom_itx i know that much about it
20:44 rue_house I'm gonna go prod the fire
20:44 Tom_itx but those are $1k routers and i can get one for about 10%
20:47 rue_house I use a pc
20:47 rue_house :)
20:48 rue_house besides, you'd have to spend 90% on liscences to get them working ( iirc)
20:59 Tom_itx what do you mean>
20:59 Tom_itx ?
20:59 rue_house iirc cisco stuff is liscenced
21:00 rue_house you want to turn it on, buy a liscence, you want the power light to turn on, buy a liscence, you want a network port to work, buy a liscence
21:02 rue_house thats why 90% off
21:02 rue_house and to get a liscence you have to be registered, with a registered product, thats registered to you
21:03 rue_house I could be wrong
21:03 rue_house at work we tried to get into cisco, gave up, too much training req'd for them to sell you even a residential router
21:08 Tom_itx http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps380/white_paper_c11_499859.html
21:11 rue_house hahaha, I'm bidding $1.00 on canadian $2 coins on ebay!!!
21:12 Tom_itx i got $.80 worth of Caymen coin for $1
21:12 Tom_itx in person
21:12 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/misc/caymen_heads.jpg
21:12 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/misc/caymen_tails.jpg
21:14 rue_house I'm eager to know if I'll win my $2 coin for $1 with free shipping :)
21:26 katsmeow lol
21:29 katsmeow why does ebay sellers keep sayig the accel boards are for arduino?
21:35 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/High-Speed-2GB-4GB-Compact-Flash-CF-Memory-Card-4G-4-GB-SD-Secure-2G-4G-4-G-/330744660891?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&var=&hash=item4d01eb039b
21:35 rue_house 32G CF for $33
21:35 rue_house rootfs 59G 15G 42G 27% /
21:36 rue_house if I used raid 21 I could make a 64G raid drive for $122
21:37 katsmeow http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-ADXL345-3-Axis-Digital-Acceleration-of-Gravity-Tilt-Module-for-Arduino-/370768685064 <<== looks like it has a voltage regulator on it? So what's vcc supposed to be to power the regulator?
21:37 rue_house 60G SSD is $78
21:37 rue_house katsmeow, onboard 3v3?
21:38 katsmeow i dunno, the chip is good for 3.3 - 5 , but the regulator could eed 8v in, i dunno, it doesn't say
21:39 katsmeow see the chip tween the GND and VCC pits?
21:39 katsmeow izzat a smd 7805 or something?
21:39 rue_house prolly a 3.3V regulator
21:39 rue_house or 2.5
21:39 katsmeow :-/
21:40 katsmeow bigger pic : http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-New-ADXL345-3-Axis-Digital-Acceleration-Of-Gravity-Tilt-Module-For-Arduino-/130835833237
21:41 rue_house Power supply :3-5v
21:41 rue_house must be a 2.5V device
21:41 rue_house but it'll operate with 3 or 5V signals
21:43 katsmeow see U2 http://www.ebay.com/itm/ADXL345-3-axis-Digital-Tilt-Sensor-Acceleration-Module-For-Arduino-/120966745099
21:44 katsmeow support 5V/3.3V voltage input, onboard RT9161 power chip, faster than the 1117 with lower pressure drop, load the appropriate speed, very suitable for high-noise power supply environment;
21:45 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/MMA7361-Angle-Sensor-Inclination-Accelerometer-Acceleration-Module-For-Arduino-/251235735924?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7ed11974
21:46 e_house points to "buy it now" and "free chipp
21:47 katsmeow that sais 5v on one pin and 3.3v on the nest pin
21:47 rue_house the power goes in at 5V and the signals are '3.3V'
21:48 rue_house but you will prolly find the chip datasheet says io is 5V tollerant
21:48 katsmeow Welcome, {{bold}}{{boldend}} (Not you)
21:48 katsmeow Canadia isn't so friendly any more?
21:48 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ADXL345-Triple-Axis-Accelerometer-Breakout-Module-/271015397448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f19c6c848
21:48 rue_house half the rpice
21:48 rue_house ?
21:49 katsmeow how is $4.49 < 3.09 ?
21:49 katsmeow [21:35] <katsmeow> Welcome, {{bold}}{{boldend}} (Not you)
21:49 katsmeow [21:35] <katsmeow> Canadia isn't so friendly any more?
21:49 rue_house oh I saw $8 on the last link you posted me
21:49 rue_house yes, I dont know what that was in reference to
21:50 katsmeow on the ebay urls you gave, that's what it says
21:50 rue_house thats cause I was logged in as me when I posted them
21:50 rue_house I didn't not take a selective copy of the url
21:50 katsmeow hmm, 251235735924 is also $3.09 on the usa ebay
21:51 katsmeow http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-ADXL345-3-Axis-Digital-Acceleration-of-Gravity-Tilt-Module-for-Arduino-/370768685064 <<== $2.50
21:53 katsmeow ilooked over the Analog datasheet, it says the way those arduino pcb are is the worst way to mount the accell chicp, because it will pick up the pcb resoanances like it was a drum head
21:54 rue_house they just put the word arduino on it to make it sell
21:55 Tom_itx ok just resoldered my specs back together
21:55 rue_house that should hold for
21:55 tsmeow hopes the specs are in
21:55 rue_house 3...
21:55 rue_house 2...
21:55 rue_house 1...
21:56 Tom_itx http://www.pfsense.org/
21:56 Tom_itx rue_house
21:56 Tom_itx know anything about that?
21:56 rue_house why would I bother?
21:56 rue_house http://www.shorewall.net/
21:57 rue_house I have to use up all these pc's for soemthing
21:57 katsmeow i have the same problem with cable boxes,, too bad we cannot share
21:58 rue_house Tom_itx, :)
21:58 rue_house katsmeow, what problem do you have with your cable boxen?
21:58 katsmeow i have 300 of them got to use them for something
21:59 rue_house :)
21:59 katsmeow why do you think the charger/tester has 80 7-seg displays?
21:59 rue_house put the ADC's on ebay
21:59 katsmeow they are used, i wouldn't get squat for them
21:59 rue_house pff, say they have pretinned leads and charge MORE!
22:00 katsmeow maybe
22:00 rue_house listing one will cost you 0.17
22:01 rue_house want to gamble?
22:01 katsmeow i'll haveto think about it, last bunch of selling i did, because icannot get package pickup here because of dogs, i lost money on every sale
22:02 rue_house ah
22:02 Tom_itx rue_house
22:02 Tom_itx i forgot how to do server updates
22:02 Tom_itx apt get install updates?
22:02 rue_house once a server is working NEVER update the software on it
22:02 Tom_itx i used to do it on a regular basis
22:02 rue_house only upgrade the programs you HAVE to, it will pull what it needs with it
22:03 Tom_itx i'm getting lazy
22:03 rue_house regular upgrades will cause you lots of pain
22:03 Tom_itx is linux that unstable?
22:04 rue_house ocassionally erronious things get out, but its generally bad practise to mess with anything that works properly
22:04 rue_house have an iphone?
22:04 Tom_itx nope
22:04 rue_house know anyone who does?
22:04 Tom_itx not locally
22:05 rue_house heard any of them barking about all the problems they had after an os upgrade on it?
22:05 Tom_itx no
22:05 Tom_itx it's apple though
22:05 Tom_itx go figure
22:05 Tom_itx same with the galaxy
22:05 rue_house ask someone next time you see an iphone, ask how their os upgrade went
22:06 rue_house 90% of the upgrades are a nightmare that result in a nonopertive phone
22:08 rue_house katsmeow, any 24cxx on those cable boxes?
22:09 rue_house 8 pin
22:09 katsmeow i don't recall any, but there's at least one flash chip on each
22:09 katsmeow so yea, i got 300 flash chips for nothin
22:10 katsmeow i forget the size
22:10 rue_house wondering about the serial ones
22:10 katsmeow i am sure some of the big chips are $30 fpga, but i can't decypher the numbers
22:11 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1x-Winbond-W29C020-W29C02C-90Z-EEPROM-DIP-32-IC-m-/390294071708
22:11 rue_house motherboard harvesting
22:11 katsmeow as you know, thePi is built on a Broadcom video chip with an ARM in it, and i have 100's of Broadcom chips, some have got to be worth having, if i only knew
22:12 katsmeow that'sa huge chip for it tobe serial
22:12 rue_house I'm not into the pi, its in that gap between PC and microcontroller that I dont bother with
22:12 rue_house its not serial
22:12 katsmeow why am i looking at it?
22:13 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2pcs-TI-TLC5940NT-TLC5940-DIP28-EEPROM-PWM-Control-16-Channel-LED-Driver-/180883027864
22:13 rue_house hello...
22:13 katsmeow i am not into the pi after seeing all the hassle people are having with *nix on it, and it doesn't do winders
22:14 katsmeow Item condition: Manufacturer refurbished ? how do you refurb a chip?
22:14 rue_house 12 bit
22:14 rue_house :) they pull them out of things
22:14 rue_house leads are a bit short
22:15 rue_house 120mA drive
22:15 katsmeow i can pwm the tristate outputs of the latches/buffers
22:15 rue_house 30Mhz serial
22:16 tsmeow goes up to look at house wiring some
22:17 rue_house they map the 95 bits staright across
22:17 rue_house I think
22:17 rue_house oh that was 'dot correction' greyscale is 191 bits
22:19 rue_house eeek, 22V drive req'd for programming it
22:21 rue_house hmm it might work for motor control
22:22 rue_house 32x 12 bit channels for $4
23:15 katsmeow 30Mhz serial? is it lvds ?
23:16 tsmeow located all the wiring for the overhed lites in the livingroom, kitchen and den that she did 8+ yrs ago and never finished (i didn't know back then if i would be in jail for 10 yrs the next day,, or d
23:17 katsmeow got two more overhead runs done, and put up 3 more lites where there were none
23:50 rue_house the mecha has 188 valves
23:50 rue_house 188/16 =
23:51 rue_house 12\
23:51 rue_house 6 orders of $4
23:51 rue_house 12 24 is $24
23:51 rue_house thats not unacceptable if they worked
23:55 e_house shaves o