#garfield Logs
Feb 11 2013
#garfield Calendar
00:18 katsmeow if i just blast the signal all over the box, no wire is needed
00:18 katsmeow twas just a thought, i have 300 IR pickup units
00:19 katsmeow taking the caps off the pcb that have the readouts too, that will give me 60 100ufd 10v caps
00:36 rue_shop2 ifny, drat, ah well
00:38 ifny yeah totally
00:38 ny is disappointed
01:19 tsmeow stops desoldering for the
01:20 katsmeow according to ebay, i am saving 4 cents on each one
01:21 rue_house thats still a svings
01:22 katsmeow or less,,, here's 500 caps 100ufd 35v for $10 , mine are 10v
01:22 rue_house caps are prices damn little things
01:22 rue_house your caps are prolly higher quality
01:22 katsmeow it's how i know that removing all these smt transistors isn't worth it, even if i do have 6000 of them in these cable boxes
01:23 rue_house I remve suff like that as I need it
01:24 tsmeow
01:25 katsmeow you know that removing these cable box psu for making this battery charger, would take twice as much space?
01:27 katsmeow 3 Reels of Electrolytic Capacitors 100 uF 63V - 300 per Reel
01:27 katsmeow
01:27 katsmeow Time left: 9d 20h left2/20, 9PM
01:27 katsmeow
01:27 katsmeow $30.00
01:28 rue_house if you find thru-hold 1k 1/4W resistors in huge bulk drop me a note
01:28 katsmeow that's 3 cents each
01:31 katsmeow 5000pcs 1/4W Watt 1K ohm 1K ? Metal Film Resistor 0.25W 1% *D289
01:31 katsmeow From China
01:31 katsmeow Time left: 27d 9h left3/10, 11AM
01:31 katsmeow $29.99
01:31 katsmeow 1% is precision stuff
01:32 katsmeow New 2500pcs x 1/4W Watt 1K ohm 1K ? Metal Film Resistor 0.25W 1% *R1140
01:32 katsmeow From China
01:32 katsmeow Time left: 18d 22h left3/1, 11PM
01:32 katsmeow $18.49
01:32 katsmeow Buy It Now
01:32 katsmeow +$1.99 shipping
01:33 katsmeow 1000,1/4W 1100ohm 1K1ohm 5% Carbon Film Resistor
01:33 katsmeow From China
01:33 katsmeow The item is listed as a Top Rated Plus item
01:33 katsmeow Time left: 2d 22h leftThursday, 12AM
01:33 katsmeow $7.28
01:33 katsmeow Buy It Now
01:33 katsmeow +$5.00 shipping
01:34 katsmeow 1K ohms Resistor 1/4W Carbon Film 5% (1000 pieces)
01:34 katsmeow From Hong Kong
01:34 katsmeow Time left: 29d 17h left3/12, 7PM
01:34 katsmeow $5.95
01:34 katsmeow or Best Offer
01:34 katsmeow +$4.00 shipping
01:35 katsmeow 500 pcs 1/4W 0.25 watt 1k ohm 1% Metal Film Resistor
01:35 katsmeow From Macau
01:35 katsmeow Time left: 15d 9h left2/26, 10AM
01:35 katsmeow $5.69
01:35 katsmeow Buy It Now
01:35 katsmeow Free shipping
01:36 katsmeow 200 pcs 1/4W 1K ohm 1kohm 1% Metal Film Fixed Resistor
01:36 katsmeow From Macau
01:36 katsmeow Time left: 15d 9h left2/26, 10AM
01:36 katsmeow $3.69
01:36 katsmeow Buy It Now
01:36 katsmeow Free shipping
01:37 katsmeow 1000 X 100uF 10V Radial Electrolytic Capacitor 6X7
01:37 katsmeow From China
01:37 katsmeow Time left: 11d 3h left2/22, 4AM
01:37 katsmeow $29.98
01:37 katsmeow or Best Offer
01:37 katsmeow +$0.60 shipping
01:38 katsmeow 3 cents each
01:42 katsmeow The food giant has already withdrawn ready meals in France and Sweden after it emerged that its frozen beef lasagne sold in Britain contained up to 100% horsemeat.
01:43 rue_house wholy **** I think the steel is gonna give out on the boiler...
01:43 katsmeow why?
01:43 rue_house its almost all glowing bright orange
01:43 rue_house and thats the outter layer
01:43 katsmeow it cannot do that with water in it
01:43 rue_house the firebox
01:43 katsmeow how fast is it consuming fuel?
01:44 rue_house if you see a large mushroom cloud from the north-west, you'll know
01:44 katsmeow besides, if the heat is radiating off the firebox out there, it's not heating your ouse
01:44 rue_house I dont know, I'v not given it any since the first load
01:44 rue_house there is a 2" air seperation and 2" mineral wool over that
01:45 katsmeow yu know steel can melt
01:45 rue_house yup
01:45 Lolina8088 uh oh.
01:45 rue_house put tooo much of that flooring in
01:46 Lolina8088 es no bueno mr.
01:46 katsmeow oh, thin stuff, huge surface area per volume of wood
01:46 Lolina8088 hard wood... solid oak you say?
01:47 katsmeow fire burns start at the surface and then get hotter as the heat warms the 1/4 inch of wood below the surface
01:47 katsmeow with the flooring only 1/4 thick anyhow, if you filled it with that stuff, you might be looking at a meltdown
01:49 rue_house the draft fan is off, the exhaust on the OUTPUT side of the exchanger is comming out at 200c
01:49 rue_house Lolina8088, I was told its cherry
01:49 katsmeow this started out being 1/4 thick steel : http://designerthinking.com/images/rockexploder/DSCF1581m.jpg
01:50 rue_house its 3/4" thick
01:50 Lolina8088 is there an off switch? can you cut the oxygen?
01:50 rue_house Lolina8088, I can turn the draft fan off, the fire depends on it
01:50 rue_house mostly
01:50 rue_house one load is gonna keep the house warm for the night I think
01:50 katsmeow all that buckling and ragged edges was caused by it being forced air and red hot
01:51 rue_house I already had to replace one of the inner collars of the boiler
01:51 rue_house did you see the pics?
01:51 katsmeow i hope it doesn't melt all your rocks solid and clog up the works
01:52 katsmeow not of t red tonite, no
01:52 katsmeow you didn't give urls
01:52 rue_house I just re-fluffed them too
01:52 rue_house !assist projects/heatplant
01:52 tobbor Possibly http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant
01:53 katsmeow no pics there of tonite
01:54 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030632-IR_baffle.jpg
01:54 rue_house eee gad, I forgot, there is an IR baffle in there too!
01:54 rue_house its NEVER glown since I put that in!
01:55 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030630-IR_baffle.jpg
01:55 Lolina8088 prolly won't need to clean out those tubes now.
01:55 rue_house two of the bottom tubes are leaking
01:55 rue_house I think they have leaked for a while tho
01:55 rue_house looks like I dindn't post those pics
01:57 katsmeow the tubes are emt?
01:57 rue_house yes
01:58 Lolina8088 have either of you built a gasifier before?
01:58 rue_house that boiler design kinda is
01:58 rue_house its based on a downdraft gassifier
01:58 Lolina8088 oh wow
01:59 rue_house kat, major service:
01:59 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030903.jpg new grate
01:59 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030905.jpg < cut off the old upper collar and replaced
01:59 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030907.jpg
01:59 rue_house it was bascially gone
02:00 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030909.jpg <-- the new one has spiral-encouraging fins :)
02:01 katsmeow how do you get more air in under the rock top?
02:01 rue_house there are some holes udner the grate
02:02 rue_house but the seam between the two leaks a little too
02:02 rue_house its all under negitive pressure
02:02 katsmeow i left 10 water heaters in Fla
02:03 rue_house wow, the boiler is keeping up with the house heating load and the draft fan isn't even on
02:03 katsmeow what water temp into the house?
02:06 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/boiler.png
02:07 katsmeow 65c going into the house to heat it? aren't you cilly?
02:07 katsmeow chilly
02:07 rue_house katsmeow, the pump symbols dont work, both are going
02:08 rue_house 149F
02:08 katsmeow still seems cool
02:09 rue_house the air comes out pretty hot
02:09 tsmeow
02:09 katsmeow i had the notion to use a car engine with a genny, s i could heat the house with it in winter and get electricity as a byproduct
02:10 rue_house http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/chart2.png
02:12 katsmeow what's 20c in f ?
02:12 rue_house 68
02:14 katsmeow looks real nice
02:14 tsmeow looks real t
02:14 rue_house horizontal @ 1min/div
02:14 rue_house vert 1c/div
02:18 tsmeow waves gnites and makes her way to the nes
02:18 rue_house gnight
02:18 rue_house oh! :) kat has her name badge back! sweeeet!
02:18 rue_house katsmeow,
02:18 rue_house katsmeow,
02:19 rue_house :) tab works again!
02:20 Lolina8088 night night
14:32 rue_house "A man is demanding a ransom for the moon, he says that if the 9.8billion dollars he's asking for isn't paid, he will rake the moon smooth."
16:07 katsmeow a smooth moon? what are we supposed to do then?!
16:08 tsmeow is home from the den
16:09 katsmeow 2 molars are at issue, both have been drilled and filled so many times, they cannot be saved and must be pulled,, one is chipped and the filling is broken (missing)
16:19 tsmeow now has a solderless breadboard thingy as rue reque
16:19 Tom_itx nice
16:50 katsmeow so i need to prepare for a week of not much chewing, and not much going anywhere, so i need to stock up on fish, ramen, pasta, sloppyjoe ingredients, wine, vodka.... (what else?) .. i have pb&j, some ramen, some pasta, some sloppyjoe ingredients, some fish, Vit C, ibuprofen and apap and asprin,
16:51 katsmeow what am i overlooking?
16:52 katsmeow one of the toothes hasto be removed asap, it's got the busted filling and one of it's 3 roots is nearly broken off already,, and the other will come out the same time
16:52 katsmeow schnapps, praps
16:52 Tom_itx i had them leave part of a root when they pulled one
16:52 Tom_itx i dug the rest out myself
16:52 katsmeow why did you have them do that?!?
16:55 katsmeow when i had the 4 "wisdom" teeth cut out, they said to keep the area sterile and dry, and i figured "ok, alcohol", and went to the bar for vodka collins, i felt very little pain
16:56 rue_shop2 hmm
16:56 katsmeow rue, Tom is a serious masochist, having them leave exposed roots so he could dig them out himself !!
16:57 katsmeow that had to be like gettng a root canal with no shot!
16:58 tsmeow looks at the other puter to make sure this one is staying
17:01 rue_shop2 Us medical system, I'm not gonna call it, but I have to wonder how many times prohabition got in the way of the medical system
17:03 katsmeow as an anesthetic, as well as a cause of so many injuries, prolly a lot
17:04 Tom_itx the facker charged me enough to pull em all
17:04 Tom_itx he wanted to try to save the tooth and i told him he wasn't gonna do that
17:05 Tom_itx turns out the root was cracked already and fixing it would still result in removal
17:05 katsmeow i am not going to have the teeth pulled without an adequate anesthetic, and sleep aid,, if you think about it, the holes in the mouth for two molars are about the same as if a 22 cal solid bullet went thru side to side
17:06 katsmeow yeas, they wanted $1500 for caps, till he saw the xrays, then said can't cap these anyhow
17:07 katsmeow my molars gave me trouble since before they came in, and been drilled every 8 yrs or so because the fillings wouldn't hold or they broke or they lost seal to the tooth
17:07 katsmeow wisdoms had to be removed before they came in
17:07 katsmeow you may think i have a big mouth, but it's not all that big
17:10 katsmeow power went off this morning when a guy attempted to drive thru a power pole, the did shatter it, the powerco replaced it
17:11 rue_shop2 kat, not a cotter pin, looks like a hair clip, whats it called?
17:13 Tom_itx cotter key
17:16 rue_shop2 ok
17:16 rue_shop2 what to do first
17:17 rue_shop2 I have new code to try that will help one of my projects and a project for kat
17:17 rue_shop2 oh god, its 3
17:18 katsmeow i disagree
17:18 rue_shop2 katsmeow, the numbers on these 7 segments are giving me a lot of encouragment
17:19 katsmeow are you using a lookup table? using a .... well, how are you doing it?
17:19 rue_shop2 no
17:19 rue_shop2 I'm using floating math
17:19 katsmeow i was thinking if i wire them up as best for the wiring to the 4414 parports, i could just twiddle the bits to make a poke PA blah show up as 7
17:20 rue_shop2 printNumber16((int)((float)i * 9.776)); // scale to 10.00
17:20 rue_shop2 //printNumber16((int)((float)i * 13.686)); // scale to 14.00
17:21 rue_shop2 math is the primary reason I code them in C
17:21 katsmeow you know i can make all the adc inputs 0-5v, right? even for 0-14v, 0-3amps, and 0-10amps?
17:21 rue_shop2 the other reason is cause I can sneak in bits of code I'm made for the PC
17:21 rue_shop2 yes, it takes the 0-5 in and scales the numbers to come out as 00.00-10.00 and 00.00-14.00
17:22 rue_shop2 the adc is 10 bit, so its readings are 0-1023
17:22 katsmeow pick one : https://www.google.com/search?q=retaining+clip&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Cs3&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=E3oZUbzsE4-k8ATEnYCICg&ved=0CDAQsAQ&biw=952&bih=454
17:22 rue_shop2 I scale them to 0-10000 and 0-14000 (because its 16 bits anyhow) then I dont draw the ones place, and the decimal point is locked on
17:23 katsmeow cool
17:23 rue_shop2 sounds like its called a morris spring
17:23 rue_shop2 http://www.morrissprings.co.uk/r%20clip.jpg
17:23 rue_shop2 or an R clip
17:24 katsmeow r = retaining clip, a generic term
17:24 rue_shop2 oh
17:24 katsmeow there's "square retaining clips" also, i use them on the trailer to hold the stakesides down
17:26 rue_shop2 I'm just trying to label the drawr :)
17:26 katsmeow there's also a heavy pin, with a sprung finger loop that folds down over the pin, used on every tractor drawbar ever made
17:27 rue_shop2 yup
17:28 katsmeow i recognise these from ford brake systems : http://www.google.com/imgres?start=312&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=X&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=952&bih=454&tbm=isch&tbnid=Hms1G18BgAb1dM:&imgrefurl=http://www.cjponyparts.com/retainer-clip-1967-2004/p/F671/&docid=ScQvGCht1pyZLM&imgurl=http://www.cjponyparts.com/images/1000/F671.jpg&w=1000&h=1000&ei=RXsZUccpjbzzBPblgRg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:21,s:300,i:67&iact=rc&dur=2003&sig=10262431724579534
17:28 katsmeow or : http://www.cjponyparts.com/images/1000/F671.jpg
17:28 katsmeow had to use hammer and screwdriver to remove them, and then to put them back in
17:29 rue_shop2 :S
17:33 e_shop2 leans over katsmeow's shoulder, ddo... do you have my 74ls166 over th
17:34 katsmeow you already asked me
17:35 katsmeow i have F161, and F163 , i have no x162 or x164 or x165 or x166
17:36 rue_shop2 hmm
17:37 rue_shop2 169....165....165....166!
17:37 rue_shop2 164....165...164...163...166!
17:37 rue_shop2 the number range for this drawr is too wide
17:37 Tom_itx so now what?
17:38 katsmeow wider drawers
17:39 rue_shop2 would you like to hang out in #robtoics katsmeow
17:39 rue_shop2 ?
17:40 rue_shop2 kat, you know hwo the little drawrs have 2 dividers?
17:41 katsmeow at, i don't know that i have any LS parts (except my stash of "obsolete" LS221's), and only a few AC or HC parts,, a few HCT, lots more F and ABT parts, some LVC , LCX
17:41 rue_shop2 this drawr is 165- 174 175 so the front compartment gets everything from 165 thru 173
17:41 katsmeow [17:28] *** Now talking in #robtoics
17:41 katsmeow 5:28:32pm 02/11/13 Monday
17:41 katsmeow who is Rob Toics ?
17:42 rue_shop2 just some guy
17:42 rue_shop2 !seen robtoics
17:42 tobbor I have never seen robtoics
17:42 rue_shop2 maybe if you join #robotics instead?
17:42 katsmeow yo can add dividers, some stiff paper from pasta or pizza or Lil Debbie containers, and tape
17:43 katsmeow you forget, i got banned from there
17:43 rue_shop2 any smaller than 1/3 and it'd be hard to fit a chip into :)
17:43 katsmeow afk, news and dinner have coincided
18:04 rue_house what? banned?
18:04 rue_house are you not able to join the channel?
18:05 Tom_itx katsmeow you are not
18:44 Tom_itx ping
19:06 rue_shop2 pong
19:19 katsmeow bak
19:20 katsmeow i was akilled by an ircop while i was in #RoboTics
19:20 Tom_itx mmm nobody i know banned you there
19:21 rue_shop2 kat, will it not let you join #robotics? I dont have an answer I can understand yet
19:21 katsmeow someone went to #freenode and asked for it, or an ircop in channel did it
19:21 rue_shop2 I just understand that you understand you were banned
19:22 katsmeow i was bbanned from the *entire network* while in there
19:22 rue_shop2 now I'm more confused than ever,
19:22 katsmeow technically, i am ban evading
19:22 rue_shop2 I will be back in a while
19:24 katsmeow Sat Nov 17 00:19:27 2012
19:26 katsmeow [00:16] *** Joins #robotics: impulse
19:26 katsmeow [00:18] You are banned from this server- Spam is off topic on freenode. mail kline@freenode.net if in error (2012/11/17 06.18)
19:26 katsmeow [00:18] 12,12.12,15 00:18:48am 11/17/12 Saturday4 NotWorthCr4p 12,15 K-Lined 12,12.
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19:26 katsmeow [00:18] *** NotWorthCr4p (~someone@unaffiliated/katsmeow) Quit (K-Lined)
19:26 katsmeow [00:18] Closing Link: unaffiliated/katsmeow (K-Lined)
19:26 katsmeow [00:18] *** Disconnected
19:26 katsmeow i never emailed them or persoanlly groveled
19:49 katsmeow ...
19:54 Tom_itx still happen?
19:55 Tom_itx nobody i know did that
19:55 katsmeow does what still happen?
19:55 Tom_itx unable to join robotics
19:55 katsmeow Tom, do you know what a kline is?
19:55 Tom_itx yeah but you're here
19:55 katsmeow i am ban evading, i changed the hostmask
19:55 Tom_itx oh
19:56 Tom_itx well there's not alot i can to about that
19:57 tsmeow didn't
19:58 katsmeow but whoever got the kline placed is prolly still there and going to do it again
20:02 rue_shop2 yay! when I took the scrap metal in I was able to get another washing mcahine valve for the mecha!
20:02 rue_shop2 katsmeow, np, I can fix
20:04 Tom_itx updates will take the rest of the night
20:05 katsmeow there's updates?
20:05 Tom_itx gonna see if that helps with the dev c not working
20:05 Tom_itx probably not
20:06 Tom_itx only 149 updates
20:08 Tom_itx wonder what won't work after that
20:27 tsmeow looks at
20:28 Tom_itx whatdya wanna bet windows changes all my settings during this update
20:28 Tom_itx after all they know more about what i do than i do
20:29 Tom_itx i'm not even sure why they're updating ie if i told them i'm not using it
20:29 katsmeow or they'll decide you don't need to use your favorite program anymore
20:30 Tom_itx they hide lots of shit in their 'security updates'
20:33 katsmeow url?
20:33 Tom_itx for what?
20:33 Tom_itx update.microsoft.com
20:33 katsmeow [20:17] <Tom_itx> they hide lots of shit in their 'security updates'
20:34 katsmeow they say what they hide?
20:35 Tom_itx no i didn't ask but i bet they do
21:11 katsmeow good thing i am repeatable somewhat smart, even if forgetful, i was about to wonder whythey sent a 30vac meter to me, and i thought, and then remembered "that would be perfect if i put a 100v zener in series with it!"
21:12 katsmeow thereby reading 100vac - 130vac , the area of interest
21:12 katsmeow it's ac, so two zeners, or a resistor
21:52 katsmeow i guess rue didn't [19:49] <rue_shop2> katsmeow, np, I can fix
21:52 katsmeow so i am going grocery shopping, bbl
21:55 Tom_itx updates done i hope
23:16 katsmeow <cough>
23:30 rue_shop2 I didn't say WHEN
23:30 katsmeow VGA pin new function
23:30 katsmeow 9 Optional +5V output from graphics card
23:30 katsmeow 12 Data from display
23:30 katsmeow 14 Standard vertical sync signal which works also as data clock
23:30 katsmeow 15 Monitor ID3
23:33 rue_house yes, there is an i2c bus on the monitor pins
23:33 rue_house linux can sually access devices on it
23:34 katsmeow what's the voltage of the i2c buss on the monitor cable?
23:40 tsmeow waves her arms like she's falling off the ceiling fan, and a coconut creme pie appears on the t
23:44 rue_house 5V
23:45 katsmeow ok
23:45 rue_house ooo coconut cream!
23:45 e_house trie
23:45 katsmeow but it's bidirectional? or is one wire TO the monitor and one wire FROM the monitor?
23:45 e_house waves harder and a bag of heat shrink tubing appears on the desk infront of
23:45 rue_house :/
23:46 e_house leans over and looks at kats
23:46 rue_house yes. i2c is bidir
23:46 katsmeow hey, where'd my heat shrink go?
23:48 katsmeow \\
23:48 katsmeow This is wonderful, the app has processed 6 gigabytes of data so far, and still using only ~5 megabytes of memory. This is how it always should have been! (I mean other than the source code at 6300 bytes using 5 megabytes of memory.)
23:48 katsmeow \\\\
23:56 tsmeow ponders driving a saw up the middle of a 7-seg to get a "1" digit all a
23:57 e_house mumbles 'tra
23:57 rue_house bedtime!