#garfield Logs

Feb 08 2013

00:00 Lola8088 k
00:20 useless2 well, doesn't look like i broke it
00:20 useless2 holdon, gotta unplug soldering iron
00:21 useless2 bak
00:29 useless2 site doesn't like wget to get files for me, fine, i'll tell it i am : Mozilla/4.61 [ja] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-33cmc1 i686)
00:29 useless2 and *<presto>* it lets me have the files
00:29 useless2 what morons
00:43 useless2 ...
01:38 eless2 wonders if it's too late to ask rue if that tiny85 can do 3 adc instead
01:39 eless2 woke up just to make a postit schematic for herself and ask rue that ques
02:53 rue_house I'm back
10:41 useless2 things that keep me awake at nite, or another What's-It CircuIt Post-It : http://designerthinking.com/images/DC_Lighting/DSCF3157m.jpg
10:54 useless2 wouldn't hurt, praps, to have even a 4th adc on there, for the heatsink temperature, altho i could do that at gnd potential, the heatsink is electrically hot, and if that psu's avr does it, the temp readout will be grouped with the rest of that psu's readouts
11:10 useless2 so on the Tiny85, if pin1,8,4 are unavailable, and pins 5,6,7 are adc inputs, pin 2 or 3 is trigger, then the other pin 2 or 3 can be serial data out ?
13:25 useless2 or, if the adc are running constantly, then pin 2 or 3 can be start-of-data-out and the other pin 2 or 3 can be the data out?
13:26 useless2 no, because either way, it's not syncronous
13:26 useless2 the tiny85 can run at 20mhz, the 4414 is 8Mhx max
13:28 eless2 suggests a ti
13:29 eless2 re-suggests two tin
19:07 rue_house wow kat
19:08 rue_house talk about a racing mind
19:13 Tom_itx how to pull files from an .iso
19:15 rue_house mount -t loop bla.iso /mnt
19:15 rue_house or is it -o loop
19:15 Tom_itx i got atmel's tech lib
19:16 Tom_itx all app notes and part pdfs
19:16 Tom_itx and more
19:16 rue_house k
19:16 Tom_itx http://www.atmel.no/techlib/
19:17 Tom_itx but it's 7.3G and won't fit on any of my DVDs
19:17 rue_house use the linux box
19:18 Tom_itx i did
19:18 Tom_itx it says it won't fit
19:18 rue_house nono
19:18 rue_house mount -o loop bla.iso /mnt
19:18 rue_house that will mount the iso image
19:18 rue_house as a filesystem
19:18 Tom_itx ok
19:19 rue_house then you can do what you want with the files
19:19 rue_house like put them into a samba share
19:19 Tom_itx as root?
19:19 rue_house sure
19:19 Tom_itx or sudo
19:19 Tom_itx http://www.atmel.no/techlib/
19:19 Tom_itx woops
19:20 Tom_itx mount -o loop bla.iso /mnt
19:20 Tom_itx for the other me
19:24 Tom_itx how to unmount it then?
19:24 Tom_itx and how to access it from the 'brouser'
19:32 useless2 there's aline on the page about unraring it, how can you unrar a iso?
19:33 useless2 umm, i don't do nix, i can't have the files? what a ripoff
19:34 Tom_itx you can
19:34 Tom_itx i posted the link
19:34 useless2 what do i do on winders with an iso meant for nix?
19:34 Tom_itx i'm copying it to a thumbrive to move to my xp
19:34 Tom_itx it is for winders
19:35 Tom_itx i just grabbed it with linux
19:39 useless2 12hr dl
19:40 atom1 not on linux
19:40 useless2 if what i get is an iso file, it's going to be useless to me, isn't it?
19:40 atom1 ~1 or 2
19:40 atom1 it has all the data sheets and app notes for all their chips
19:40 atom1 8 and 32bit
19:41 atom1 and some other stuff
19:41 useless2 my dl speed atm, with the lan and two puters usy, is 77k to 157k
19:41 atom1 once i pull the data sheets and app notes i'll post them
19:41 atom1 so you don't need the whole thing
19:41 useless2 i dl'd all that stuff years ago, don't know where it is atm
19:42 atom1 prolly a few new chips now and a few have gone away
19:43 Tom_itx takes a while just to copy it to the thumb drive
19:44 Tom_itx still prolly quicker than the network
19:46 useless2 when i don't have the line clogged, it's keeping about 157KB download ( 1.25 Mbit )
19:47 useless2 still says 14 hrs
19:49 Tom_itx gonna try the network copy instead
19:49 Tom_itx why would they make a 7.3g iso anyway
19:49 Tom_itx doublesided DVD?
19:50 useless2 dunno, blueray maybe
19:51 useless2 how's this for a webpage "header" ??
19:51 Tom_itx meh, i'll let it run and see from there
19:51 useless2 <div id="header">
19:51 useless2 <h1><a href="http://abcnews.go.com"><img src="http://a.abcnews.com/images/site/printlogo.jpg" alt="ABC News" border="0" /></a></h1>
19:51 useless2 </div>
19:51 useless2 it's <h1> no text!! </h1>
19:51 useless2 how do you <h1> a jpg??
19:54 useless2 here's a crappy format : <a href="
19:54 useless2 <https://twitter.com/S_C_/status/298248175632932864/>" target="external">tweeting</a>
19:55 useless2 since when do you put a href link in "< >" ??
19:56 useless2 plus the hard linewrap \n ??
20:02 useless2 22 hrs remaining
20:07 Tom_itx 11 min
20:07 Tom_itx but i'm not sure what i'm gonna do with it once i got it here
20:07 Tom_itx i think i may be able to extract the files
20:07 Tom_itx i don't do much stuff like that
20:09 useless2 real tiny : http://www.atmel.com/devices/ATTINY10.aspx
20:12 Tom_itx i got some
20:12 Tom_itx http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/tiny/tinyTPI1.jpg
20:13 Tom_itx asm only on that one
20:15 useless2 textpad says that's a jif, not a jpg
20:16 eless2 ponders that as an analog-to-digital touch convertor embedded in the fin
20:17 Tom_itx it has both, yes
20:18 useless2 both?
20:19 useless2 Tiggr says it has 4 channel adc, but no dacs
20:19 Tom_itx no dac
20:19 Tom_itx adc
20:19 Tom_itx 4 io you can choose what you want to do with
20:20 Tom_itx pwm adc io
20:20 Tom_itx 16bit timer
20:20 Tom_itx 12mhz internal osc
20:20 useless2 but i was thinking of the analog sensor, but sending digital up from the finger, analog can get real noisey
20:42 useless2 5% of the file dl'd
21:40 useless2 ...
21:42 Tom_itx still unzipping the iso
21:42 Tom_itx 77%
21:42 Tom_itx but it's getting the files out
21:43 Tom_itx got all the 8bit pdf so far
21:43 eless2 is at 20 hrs remaining on th
21:43 Tom_itx you gonna let it finish?
21:43 useless2 9% downloaded, and going slower and slower <cough>
21:43 Tom_itx or just want the 8bit stuff?
21:43 eless2 doesn't understand why you;d say
21:44 Tom_itx i could post just the 8 bit stuff if you wanted
21:44 Tom_itx unless you want the whole thing
21:45 useless2 but why would it cross your mind that i'd want only the 8bit stufF?
21:46 Tom_itx i dunno
21:46 Tom_itx not many are using the 32bit so far
21:47 useless2 if they aren't using them, they also do not want to know about them?
21:48 Tom_itx it also has winavr in it
21:48 Tom_itx bunch of other stuff
21:48 useless2 i'd want all the data sheets, and all the appnotes
21:48 Tom_itx k
21:48 useless2 and all the examples of code
21:49 Tom_itx and all the code etc
21:49 Tom_itx it's all there
21:49 Tom_itx for both?
21:49 useless2 both what?
21:49 Tom_itx 8 and 32 bit
21:49 eless2 bangs her head on the t
21:49 Tom_itx what we use are all 8 bit so far
21:50 Tom_itx that's why i even brought it up
21:51 eless2 looks for a definition of "
21:53 useless2 "Quantifier; used with either mass or count nouns to indicate the whole number or amount of or every one of a class" , in this case, of the class of data sheet(s) and/or appnote(s) and/or code example(s), i want the entire amount in each class
21:55 useless2 1 day, 2 hrs remaining , 10% done
21:56 useless2 looks like an hour is added on each 1% downloaded
21:59 useless2 so when 99% done, and only a few megabytes left, i expect them to take 4 days
22:00 Tom_itx i think it's done
22:01 zhanx evening
22:01 useless2 hi zhanx
22:01 zhanx tonights jump was fun
22:02 zhanx feet ass head face dragged etc
22:02 useless2 i wish i could go with you,, you can take the chute off after the jump, right?
22:02 useless2 oh
22:02 zhanx my ruck caught on something and slammed me to the ground
22:02 zhanx and yes i can
22:03 eless2 sings that chant from that annoying alledges song "free fal
22:03 zhanx it was an oww than hurts jump
22:05 useless2 silly question, in battle, wouldn't you want to lose the chute even while you are still in the air, and your ruck has touched the ground? can't you drop the last couple feet to get out of gunfire sooner?
22:05 zhanx i get to train soldiers next week on the new vehicles for the army
22:05 zhanx you can, you have a lowering line for your weapon and ruck, its 25 feet
22:06 useless2 25ft is too far to free fall tho
22:06 zhanx nope
22:06 Tom_itx not acording to the army
22:06 zhanx had an SIR yesterday
22:06 useless2 i expect all my men to land without broken ankles
22:06 zhanx get this
22:06 Tom_itx land on your head and your ankles will be fine
22:07 zhanx dude exited the aircraft at 1500 feet, at 1000 feet pulled his qrs and released his main chute, did not pull his reserve chute, said he panic'd and did not break a bone
22:08 zhanx rode in his weapon and ruck, only had major bruising
22:08 zhanx day time jump, everyone thought he was dead
22:08 Tom_itx almost sounds like something you might pull
22:08 zhanx screw that
22:08 useless2 why'd he exit at 1500?
22:08 Tom_itx all your broken bones n stuff
22:09 zhanx it was the jump height for the combat equipment load
22:09 useless2 oh, on purpose, min jump alt and stuff
22:09 zhanx he was like midway in the jump chaulk
22:09 zhanx yes for the weight etc
22:09 eless2
22:10 zhanx wind speed, plane speed, weight etc, plays in to that
22:11 useless2 c130 at 1500 wakes the whole county, you wanna sneak in, you jump from 20k with a wingsuit and drop at 200mph or more, and flare to land at 10ft, no one will hear or see you, and can't possibly hit you
22:11 useless2 i dunno about a ruck and a wingsuit
22:11 zhanx its called combat assault, plane dives from 20k to 1500 feet, levels and you jump
22:12 zhanx 30 secs between the time you hear it and we are jumping
22:12 useless2 it's still noisey as hell and everyone knows you did it
22:12 zhanx yep but we got guns :D
22:12 zhanx and we only do it at night
22:12 useless2 in dayglow white chutes?
22:13 zhanx got a mass attack jump coming up and no, they are dark green
22:13 zhanx whole brigade is jumping in a matter of 5 minutes
22:13 useless2 it's still noisey as hell and everyone knows you did it
22:13 zhanx 45 aircraft passing over every minute
22:14 zhanx stacked on top of each one
22:14 useless2 oh then they *definiately* have eyes on you
22:14 zhanx yep but its like 5000 troops jumping in
22:14 zhanx good luck
22:14 useless2 frag grenades, no one lands intact
22:14 zhanx land mines are better
22:15 useless2 bouncing betties
22:15 zhanx yep
22:15 useless2 you gotta place them beforehand tho
22:15 zhanx true
22:15 zhanx and we can jump anything
22:15 useless2 i don't want you to die jumping into a firefight, i'd rather you not be seen
22:17 useless2 if it's possible to sneak in unannounced and unseen, you have a better chance of living, even if it's not "the way we always done it before"
22:18 zhanx hence why i am airborne field arty now and not front line and why we jump fixed wings that can shut down engines still
22:19 useless2 a cargo plane flying @ 1500 dead-stick? i'd jump too!
22:19 zhanx try 800 feet for that
22:20 useless2 no,, but if you can get it down to ground effect, i'd stay with it a few minutes
22:20 zhanx 4-8 seconds from plane to ground
22:20 useless2 too long
22:21 zhanx no that is like oh fuck short, the chute opens in just under 3 secs normally
22:21 useless2 use the speed of the plane, and drop like a rock at speed, and get low, even at high horizontal speed, then flare to stop
22:22 zhanx most people can't do the throw math for that with the plane speed and wind
22:22 zhanx forward throw from the plane is x plus the drift caused by the wind is y, andthey are oh shit MATH is hard
22:23 useless2 two things impressed the hell right outa me in ww2 footage: 1) of entire planeloads of jumpers, no one reached the ground alive and B) slow speed glider landings also landed with few survivors
22:23 zhanx all the AAA in WW2 was crazy
22:23 useless2 and it can be again, you GOT to plan for crap
22:24 zhanx i am a part of the 507th parachute regiment they landed 90%
22:24 useless2 can you do me a favor?
22:24 zhanx depends but sure
22:26 useless2 get yurself the biggest wingsuit you can find, (practice with it till you're good) , exit the plane from 10k or more, the object is to get to 10ft off the ground asap, and land
22:26 useless2 you haveto exit as if you were launched, you must retain the aircraft airspeed
22:26 zhanx i super want to try wingsuits, found a place to practice local
22:27 useless2 you need that speed to control that small of an airfoil, and the whole point is to move down where they cannot see you and won't be shooting at you
22:28 zhanx true
22:28 zhanx but i am big you know that
22:28 useless2 in a wingsuit with speed on it, you can fly at 10ft off the gnd for maybe 2 or 3 seconds
22:28 useless2 i know you are big, i said the biggest wingsuit you can find
22:28 zhanx i collapse part of my chute so i land faster etc
22:28 zhanx not recommended to do that
22:29 useless2 yeas, you land in a broken condition, and your survivability drops a lot, so does whoever comes to your aid
22:29 zhanx not really i practice it
22:29 useless2 brb
22:29 zhanx k
22:32 useless2 bak
22:32 zhanx i got to draw Matv's today, get to take them offroading all week
22:33 useless2 swoop in, when at 10ft you deploy a small chute that slows you to 6mph and stands you upright 4ft off the ground
22:33 useless2 you know they have a kit to remote pilot those
22:33 zhanx yep
22:33 zhanx i do work on them
22:33 eless2 s
22:34 useless2 i know this shit, and i am useless
22:34 zhanx nope
22:34 zhanx i am a/c mech remember?
22:34 zhanx i just do stuff outside my field everyday
22:34 useless2 so? i am still useless while you get to play with the toys
22:35 zhanx your female they wouldn't let you anyways
22:35 useless2 shit
22:35 zhanx all male unit
22:36 useless2 "no dick, can't do robotics, and worth less than a dog too" ,,, is it any wonder i have no feelings holding me to this country any more?
22:36 zhanx its not the dick part is the they are scare if one female comes in she will get raped
22:37 useless2 yeas, another good point to not protecting a country that would allow rapists
22:38 useless2 me, i'd change the rules a lil : "you rape, she gets 10 more minutes with you later"
22:38 zhanx people are crazy that is all
22:41 zhanx either way i get to have fun trashing trucks in the mud next week driving like i stole it
22:41 useless2 heh
22:42 zhanx i was told i have to jump one to show them how to drive them
22:42 zhanx 2-4 feet off the ground
22:43 useless2 i don't have the back for that any more, i wouldn't survive, but i have gotten bruised by seatbelts before
22:43 zhanx 12000+ pound armor vehicle and i am jumping it
22:43 useless2 people jump apc and battle tanks, that German tank can get air from a standing stop
22:44 zhanx yep
22:44 useless2 in one tank-length, do a weelie and go airborn
22:44 zhanx this is made to jump the seats are suspension style
22:44 useless2 ah
22:45 zhanx they "free float"
22:45 useless2 prolly lesss about jumping and more about driving over ieds
22:45 zhanx well that cant be train so much as flee or fight can be
22:45 zhanx and the flee we are training first
22:45 zhanx then 2 days of fight
22:45 useless2 right, but you don't want a fixed seat if 1000lbs of bomb goes off under you
22:46 zhanx 1200 hp, 1800 ft pounds of torque
22:46 zhanx its a ship hull design with break away parts
22:46 zhanx and true
22:46 eless2 nods, passed one on the highway the other
22:47 zhanx cool
22:50 useless2 this sorta "news" makes me angry "a powerful .50 caliber rifle, which shoots five-inch long bullets"
22:50 useless2 or "beat a dog with a lead pipe"
22:50 useless2 it's not factual
22:52 zhanx 5" long?
22:53 useless2 that's what they are saying in print and on the air
22:53 zhanx where?
22:53 zhanx thats crazy
22:54 useless2 file:///D:/news/2013/February/08/US/Dorner%20Vanished%20May%20Have%20Powerful%20Weapons.htm
22:54 useless2 From: http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-dorner-manhunt-cops-search-suspected-cop-killer/print?id=18437045
22:54 useless2 Downloaded: 2013/02/08 22:35
22:55 useless2 Wherever Dorner is, law enforcement officials fear that he may be heavily armed, possibly with a powerful .50 caliber rifle, which shoots five-inch long bullets that can pierce bullet proof vests and vehicles, as well as a shoulder-fired missile launcher.
22:55 zhanx the bullet with casing is 5" long
22:56 useless2 yeas
22:56 useless2 and this
22:56 useless2 From: http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-hostage-standoff-ends-jimmy-lee-dykes-dead/print?id=18397405
22:56 useless2 Downloaded: 2013/02/08 22:33
22:56 useless2 When he returned to Alabama, neighbors say he once beat a dog with a lead pipe
22:56 zhanx Dorner just finished his military career as a lieutenant last Friday. His only overseas deployment was to a Navy base in Bahrain. He received a Rifle Marksman Ribbon and Pistol Expert Medal, meaning he received superior scores when he tested at the range.
22:56 zhanx that means he got the minimums to qualify
22:57 zhanx but it doesn't mean anything really
22:57 useless2 heck, i got NRA Pro-Marksman with a 22 before i was 10 yrs old, big whoop
22:58 zhanx yep and all that says is he shot 23 out of 40
22:58 useless2 that's not so good
22:59 zhanx nope
22:59 zhanx i shoot expert marksmen
22:59 zhanx its 39 or 40 out of 40
22:59 zhanx they give you one in case of trigger pull etc
23:00 useless2 before i began needing glasses, i shot flying birds and *bees* out of the air with my rifle, at 30ft to 100ft
23:00 zhanx nice
23:01 useless2 one damned bird woke me too many time, i crawled outa bed and blew the bird in half at the top of a 70ft tree
23:01 zhanx now imagine if i did that
23:01 zhanx decided to go california on them
23:02 zhanx asymmetrical warfare is what i do best
23:02 useless2 got tired of a certain mouse that wouldn't be trapped or poisoned, i rolled over and shot while i and it were both moving and also managed to put the bullet into a crack in the floor, dead mouse
23:02 zhanx shooting is something you grew up doing
23:03 zhanx most of them people don't do that
23:03 zhanx hence they suck
23:03 useless2 it was a tool for me, that's all
23:03 zhanx and for me, its not like its a bad thing
23:03 zhanx its about thing you use
23:04 useless2 a dangerous tool, neighbor blew his hand apart covering the wrong end of the shotgun when it went off
23:04 zhanx darwin wins
23:04 useless2 humans do some stupid stuff with tools
23:04 zhanx true
23:05 zhanx crap i need 4.7 mega ohm resistors
23:06 useless2 a guy down the road here , i drove by, he was putting down roofing shingles on a mobile home, using 3" deck screws and a drill with a bit in it, both hands dripping blood, visable from the road
23:07 zhanx darwin wins again
23:07 useless2 why he needed 3" to hold shingles, and why he was drilling his hand as much as the screws, i dunno, but i have a feeling he was too stupid for me to educate
23:07 zhanx you can fix dumb not stupid
23:08 useless2 one guy, during the day, installed a porch lite above his shed door, he came home and began shooting off a pistol, at ~10pm or so, next door to me, so i empied the rifle faster than he could count, he grabbed his shotgun and stuck it out the door and blew his new lite away
23:09 zhanx awesome
23:09 useless2 the lite was on, it was his only lite
23:09 useless2 <BLAM> "oh shit"
23:09 zhanx fucker
23:09 zhanx my light is gone
23:10 useless2 i bit my tounge till i could close the door and lmao
23:10 zhanx now that is funny
23:11 useless2 he told me later he forgot the lite and was drunk,, and appologised for shooting, which wasn't a lot of consolation for me, drunk and shooting a 45 at nite, 50ft from where i was sleeping
23:12 zhanx nice
23:13 zhanx brb
23:13 useless2 the rural south is stunning, the only reason they perpetuate themselves if by having sex as teens
23:14 rue_house kat, so what thoughts are new on the microcontroller front
23:14 rue_house I caught a bit earlier
23:14 useless2 you didn't see what i said this morning?
23:14 useless2 o
23:15 rue_house I saw a postit with a scematic and some thoughts about 4 channels
23:15 rue_house can I get a summary?
23:15 useless2 i am thinking TWO tiny85 , giving me 4 data , the advantage is the two important measurements can be taken at exactly the same time with two tiny85
23:16 rue_house ok
23:16 useless2 then i can also take heatsink temperature
23:16 zhanx attiny45's?
23:16 rue_house the sample can be triggered by the first rising edge of the clock
23:17 rue_house 85 is 8 pin dip
23:17 zhanx k
23:17 useless2 the whatsit postit circuit is how to scale and ref to gnd level the 2 amp readings and one volt reading, the temp can be floating anywhich how
23:17 zhanx wait so is 45
23:17 rue_house kat wants to use as smart adc
23:17 zhanx k
23:17 zhanx never mind
23:17 rue_house and, for a 10 bit adc, they are cheap
23:17 rue_house the project is gradually evolving tho
23:18 useless2 and for 85 cents, it's as cheap as i'll ever find 10bit adc
23:18 zhanx i made an attiny45/85 breakout pcb that i use
23:18 zhanx with isp header
23:18 rue_house you broke out a dip?
23:18 rue_house ah
23:18 rue_house is the pinout the same as the t13?
23:18 zhanx and a 4x5 grid for prototyping and not sure
23:19 useless2 i made a isp carrier the other nite, it works, need more sockets tho : http://designerthinking.com/DSCF3139.jpg
23:19 rue_house your isp could use some support...
23:19 rue_house :)
23:19 zhanx i need one of those quick release things for chips
23:20 rue_house zif socket
23:20 zhanx yep
23:20 useless2 i wanna add another dip40 or 2, and a dip14 or 2
23:20 rue_house china $2 22days
23:20 zhanx link?
23:20 rue_house ebay
23:20 zhanx k
23:20 zhanx brb
23:21 useless2 the 4414 has corner power pins, i can't just wire up a dip40 with corner AND center pwr/gnd and not blow up something
23:21 useless2 hence, more than one socket
23:21 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1PCS-40P-40Pin-ZIF-ZIP-IC-Tester-Board-Socket-multifunction-GOOD-QUALITY-/290801668783
23:21 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/DIP-18-Pin-18Pin-Universal-ZIF-IC-Socket-/220655695970?
23:21 zhanx http://www.ebay.com/itm/14pin-16pin-18pin-20pin-24pin-28pin-40pin-ZIF-Socket-/300852379273?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460c32fe89
23:22 rue_house http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1pcs-20-Pin-Universal-Zif-Test-Dip-Socket-/140729258122?
23:22 rue_house $10 :/
23:22 zhanx but all seven
23:22 eless2 ponders going up to make some noise with a zip
23:22 rue_house oh
23:22 zhanx kat doe star wars sound track
23:23 zhanx rue, i don't need all 7 if i do my pcb right
23:23 useless2 i remember a dip40 zif was $25
23:23 rue_house yea
23:23 rue_house the ones I got from china (those ones) are fine
23:23 useless2 zhanx, actually, you do, like i said about the power pins
23:23 zhanx true but if you use jump pins
23:23 rue_house I think their liquidating stagnent stock
23:23 useless2 oh, ok
23:24 zhanx hence the pcb design. but i might just cheat and get the 7 of them
23:24 zhanx and go out east
23:24 zhanx easy
23:24 useless2 i considered not attaching any pins at all on the pcb, and using all jumpers with microclips to the pins
23:25 zhanx thought about that
23:25 useless2 thing is, in that case it would take longer to connect the chip than to program it
23:25 zhanx figured jumpers are easy but need clips
23:25 useless2 and, i'd need the datasheet pinout each time
23:25 zhanx then i was like ya datasheets
23:26 zhanx i did make a isp with gator clips on it
23:26 zhanx have yet to use it
23:26 rue_house kat, I thought you had a 5x40 rotary switch?
23:26 rue_house dial-a-dip :)
23:26 useless2 so if i can settle on a few chips, dedicated sockets, some are common, like the 48 - 88 - 168 , the 164 - 324 - 644
23:26 useless2 etc
23:27 zhanx make your own dragon board etc...
23:27 useless2 need to make it, parts in the snailmail, then need an avr to run it
23:28 rue_house I slept from 5 to 8ish, I'm gonna go play n the shop
23:29 useless2 yu can cheat with avr if you don't do HVP, you can hardwire the few pins needed (reset, miso, mosi, clk, pwr, gnd ) for each different family to a tristateable driver, and simply enable the driver for the chip you are putting in
23:30 zhanx aka bit bang?
23:30 zhanx (have yet to do that)
23:30 useless2 no, once enabled you use the normal isp programmer
23:30 rue_house all the technology to do this was designed for programming the 'standard' pinout of eproms :) you know, everything but those 16 pins that dont change?
23:30 rue_house :)
23:31 useless2 yeas, and then the 64kx1 drams came in with gnd on pin 16 and +5 on pin 8 ?
23:32 rue_house oh
23:36 eless2 ponders a mess of PI5L200w to switch the data lines around, and simple transistors to switch the vcc-gnd l
23:36 useless2 or IDTQ53125S1 (5 ohm 4066)
23:36 rue_house hmmm
23:36 rue_house kat
23:37 useless2 rue
23:37 rue_house maybe focus on the applicatona and not the toolry?
23:37 rue_house :)
23:37 useless2 hmm?
23:37 rue_house well, shall we get your 85's talking to the 4414
23:37 useless2 i have no 85's
23:38 zhanx want some?
23:38 zhanx i got a few
23:38 useless2 you say that like i am not adapting the shop press to also break the bead loose on tires, and clamp a sheep metal brake for making boxes, or a shear
23:39 useless2 1 tool 4 uses
23:40 useless2 zhanx, thanks, but i'll nned 25 or so for the one project, and 12 or so for the other, and rue found some for 85 cents
23:40 zhanx i want that link, need 100 of them
23:41 useless2 i dunno if he got all the code packed into one 85 or not yet,, prolly not yet since they aren't talking to the other chip yet
23:41 zhanx touch wall with rgb leds
23:41 zhanx i can do the code
23:41 zhanx rue_bed, rue_house, rue_shop2 link to cheap tiny 85?
23:41 useless2 digikey
23:42 zhanx k
23:42 zhanx thats easy
23:42 useless2 http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=tiny85
23:43 zhanx already there
23:43 useless2 umm, rue? this says $1.29 and $2.26 each
23:43 useless2 oh
23:43 zhanx well if ou get 100 its 72.00
23:43 useless2 1 1.29000 1.29
23:43 useless2 25 0.81000 20.25
23:43 useless2 100 0.72000 72.00
23:43 useless2 yeas
23:44 zhanx which i am gonna order
23:44 zhanx along with rgb leds
23:44 useless2 100 ? really?
23:44 zhanx yep
23:44 zhanx its 1/5 of the wall
23:44 zhanx will use i2c to commo them
23:45 useless2 tiny2313 gives you 2x the i/o pins,
23:45 useless2 1 1.31000 1.31
23:45 useless2 25 0.82360 20.59
23:45 useless2 100 0.73200 73.20
23:46 rue_house 25+ 88c ea
23:46 zhanx dont need the extra i/o tho
23:46 eless2 points that to rue
23:46 zhanx so i save 1.20
23:46 zhanx :)
23:46 useless2 tiny85 is 88cents at 25, tiny2313 is 82cents at 25
23:47 zhanx but for 100
23:47 useless2 yeas, a lil more at 100
23:47 useless2 so order 25 4x ;-)
23:47 zhanx true
23:47 useless2 won't work
23:47 zhanx but then i have to pay shipping
23:47 zhanx and make a pcb
23:47 zhanx etc
23:48 useless2 what do they charge for shipping on those?
23:48 zhanx about nothing
23:48 zhanx 2-4 dollars
23:48 useless2 wow, they have the STK600 for $54
23:49 useless2 hmm, seems it needs a drawer full of "routing cards" too
23:49 eless2 will stick to the one she made for nearl
23:50 zhanx ok time zone diff i am tired
23:51 useless2 rue? would the added pins on the 2313 make life easier for sync bitbanging them to/from the bigger chip?
23:51 zhanx later everyonee
23:51 useless2 gnites zhanx
23:51 useless2 because it's actually cheaper at qty 25
23:52 e_house wakes up, grabs the steering wheel and swirves back onto the
23:52 rue_house what? which? yes, no, wait
23:52 useless2 i could have a "do convert", it can signal back on a "done" pin, then i can clk the data with a "clk" pin , etc, if that's easier
23:52 rue_house kat, toms programmer is cost effetive
23:52 useless2 i agree, but i have a programmer, don't i?
23:53 useless2 i think i do need to get isp type jumper cables, and just put pins on each project
23:53 rue_house no time for checking done, just get another sample going :)
23:53 rue_house I suggest a good jumper cable
23:54 rue_house I use 10 pin on all mine
23:54 useless2 no time? but i could tell them all to do a convert , and then start reading whichever comes back first?
23:54 useless2 why 10?
23:54 useless2 reset, miso, mosi, clk, pwr, gnd = 6
23:55 useless2 i guess to the dragon i'd need 8, for that odd pwr-gnd connection thing
23:56 useless2 does Tom sell those?