#garfield Logs

Jan 27 2013

01:52 tobbor rue_shop3: What is the colour for the value 6?
01:53 rue_shop3 green
01:53 tobbor rue_shop3: No, the answer was blue. What is the value of the color red?
01:53 rue_shop3 2
01:53 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color white?
01:53 rue_shop3 9
01:53 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color violet?
01:53 rue_shop3 7
01:53 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color green?
01:53 rue_shop3 5
01:53 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 0?
01:53 rue_shop3 black
01:53 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. Your score was: 83%
01:55 rue_shop3 !doresistors 10
01:55 tobbor rue_shop3: What is the colour for the value 5?
01:56 rue_shop3 blue
01:56 tobbor rue_shop3: No, the answer was green. What is the value of the color red?
01:56 rue_shop3 2
01:56 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color yellow?
01:56 rue_shop3 4
01:56 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 6?
01:56 rue_shop3 blue
01:56 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 8?
01:57 rue_shop3 grey
01:57 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color brown?
01:57 rue_shop3 1
01:57 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 6?
01:57 rue_shop3 blue
01:57 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color green?
01:57 rue_shop3 5
01:57 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 0?
01:57 rue_shop3 black
01:57 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color green?
01:57 rue_shop3 5
01:57 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. Your score was: 90%
01:59 rue_shop3 !doresistors 10
01:59 tobbor rue_shop3: What is the value of the color brown?
01:59 rue_shop3 1
01:59 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color grey?
01:59 rue_shop3 8
01:59 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 4?
01:59 rue_shop3 yellow
01:59 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 1?
01:59 rue_shop3 brown
01:59 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 6?
01:59 rue_shop3 blue
01:59 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color orange?
02:00 rue_shop3 3
02:00 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 0?
02:00 rue_shop3 black
02:00 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color red?
02:00 rue_shop3 2
02:00 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color red?
02:00 rue_shop3 2
02:00 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 5?
02:00 rue_shop3 green
02:00 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. Your score was: 100%
02:00 rue_shop3 !doresistors 10
02:00 tobbor rue_shop3: What is the colour for the value 8?
02:00 rue_shop3 gray
02:00 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 4?
02:01 rue_shop3 yellow
02:01 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 9?
02:01 rue_shop3 white
02:01 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color blue?
02:01 rue_shop3 6
02:01 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 9?
02:01 rue_shop3 white
02:01 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 7?
02:01 rue_shop3 violet
02:01 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 8?
02:01 rue_shop3 gray
02:01 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 2?
02:01 rue_shop3 red
02:01 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 6?
02:02 rue_shop3 blue
02:02 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color violet?
02:02 rue_shop3 7
02:02 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. Your score was: 100%
02:02 rue_shop3 !doresistors 10
02:02 tobbor rue_shop3: What is the colour for the value 9?
02:03 rue_shop3 .0
02:03 rue_shop3 .0
02:04 rue_shop3 .
02:04 rue_shop3 white
02:04 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 9?
02:04 rue_shop3 white
02:04 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 8?
02:04 rue_shop3 gray
02:04 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color orange?
02:04 rue_shop3 3
02:04 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color grey?
02:04 rue_shop3 8
02:04 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 0?
02:04 rue_shop3 black
02:04 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color orange?
02:04 rue_shop3 3
02:04 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 2?
02:04 rue_shop3 red
02:04 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 8?
02:05 rue_shop3 gray
02:05 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color blue?
02:05 rue_shop3 6
02:05 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. Your score was: 100%
02:19 rue_shop3 !doresistors 10
02:19 tobbor rue_shop3: What is the colour for the value 1?
02:19 rue_shop3 brown
02:19 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 2?
02:19 rue_shop3 red
02:19 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 9?
02:19 rue_shop3 white
02:19 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 5?
02:20 rue_shop3 . 6
02:20 rue_shop3 6
02:20 tobbor rue_shop3: No, the answer was green. What is the value of the color brown?
02:20 rue_shop3 1
02:20 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 3?
02:20 rue_shop3 orange
02:20 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color violet?
02:21 rue_shop3 7
02:21 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color white?
02:21 rue_shop3 9
02:21 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color white?
02:21 rue_shop3 9
02:21 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 1?
02:21 rue_shop3 brown
02:21 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. Your score was: 90%
02:21 rue_mohr blue!
02:21 rue_mohr blue
02:21 rue_mohr the answer is blue
02:22 rue_mohr 3
02:22 rue_mohr 7!
02:22 rue_shop3 HAHAHA
02:22 rue_shop3 I have control over your machine! World Domination is MINE!
02:42 rue_shop3 !doresistors 10
02:42 tobbor rue_shop3: What is the colour for the value 6?
02:42 rue_shop3 blue
02:42 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 6?
02:42 rue_shop3 blue
02:42 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color black?
02:42 rue_shop3 1
02:42 tobbor rue_shop3: No, the answer was 0. What is the value of the color grey?
02:43 rue_shop3 8
02:43 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 8?
02:43 rue_shop3 gray
02:43 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 0?
02:43 rue_shop3 black
02:43 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color yellow?
02:43 rue_shop3 4
02:43 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 3?
02:43 rue_shop3 orange
02:43 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color violet?
02:44 rue_shop3 7
02:44 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color yellow?
02:44 rue_shop3 4
02:44 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. Your score was: 90%
02:44 rue_shop3 !doresistors 10
02:44 tobbor rue_shop3: What is the value of the color black?
02:44 rue_shop3 0
02:44 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 7?
02:44 rue_shop3 violet
02:44 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 3?
02:44 rue_shop3 orange
02:44 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color violet?
02:44 rue_shop3 7
02:44 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color blue?
02:45 rue_shop3 6
02:45 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 7?
02:45 rue_shop3 violet
02:45 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the value of the color white?
02:45 rue_shop3 9
02:45 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 2?
02:45 rue_shop3 red
02:45 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 3?
02:45 rue_shop3 orange
02:45 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. What is the colour for the value 3?
02:45 rue_shop3 orange
02:45 tobbor rue_shop3: Correct. Your score was: 100%
16:49 zhanx Tom_itx, around by chance? If not i will be on for awhile
17:58 Tom_itx zhanx?
17:58 zhanx good now, using the wrong cable its all and forgot i changed it
18:00 Tom_itx oh
18:00 Tom_itx you must be programming
18:10 rue_shop3 .
18:31 Tom_itx o
18:43 zhanx yep
18:49 zhanx ok solved my problem, forgot to add myself to the audio group
19:16 useless .
19:17 zhanx https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mXu5O9Tcgck/UQXN-lIdmAI/AAAAAAAADpw/P39tpefyEHg/s640/2013-01-27%252020.01.05.jpg
19:17 zhanx everything used is free, rue would be proud
19:18 eless wonders what she woul
19:19 zhanx mad cause i wasted time on it and i was making stupid computer mistakes the whole time
19:19 useless oh :-(
19:20 zhanx i was joking kat
19:28 Tom_itx not allowed!
19:28 zhanx darn
19:32 useless i been spending a lot more time lately thinking of suicide
19:33 useless every time i go among humans, they make sure i know i am not worth as much as a dog
19:33 useless i have not heard any different in years, except for that line in Florida that i am also not worth as much as a cat
19:34 useless it's like it's morally repugnant, or illegal, to tell me i am worth more
19:35 useless so *someone* should shoot me
19:37 useless is there a channel for getting shot?
19:39 zhanx doubt it
19:40 useless they'll go shoot up schools, but won't waste time on me, right :-/
20:45 rue_house http://www.xymetal.com/tupian/20124515501073499.jpg
20:45 rue_house hmm
21:47 zhanx rue_house, link no work
21:52 useless someone said "it should be obvious you are better than a dog", and clarified that they mean it IS , not that it SHOULD be
21:53 useless makes me wonder
21:53 useless lets see a dog do this, and humans tell me why me doing that proves the dog is better : http://designerthinking.com/racks.html
21:56 rue_house SWEET rack kat!
21:56 rue_house oo that could be interperted wrong
21:56 eless steps back a lil in unsure
21:57 useless i just grabbed rackmount stuff sitting around and dropped in place
21:58 useless 2 racks like that is absolutely not enough space, but it's a great start and cleaning up
21:59 useless do you see anything i need to change?
22:19 useless i have put up 8 webpages on making stuff in 2012-2013
22:20 useless http://designerthinking.com/racks.html ; http://designerthinking.com/uwave-rim.html ; http://designerthinking.com/water.html ; http://designerthinking.com/DC_Lighting.html ; http://designerthinking.com/fingers.html ; http://designerthinking.com/fence.html ; http://designerthinking.com/garden.html ; http://designerthinking.com/pfc.html
22:21 rue_house the rack looks good kat
22:22 useless and, of course, i built the water system i use, put up anotehr 350ft of fencing, made the finger, rack, Pizza Restraint Device , and planted the garden on the roof
22:22 useless thanks rue
22:23 rue_house fingers...
22:23 useless hmm?
22:23 useless every robot needs fingers, right?
22:23 rue_house did you know fingers have 3 tennons?
22:24 useless you mean 3 sets, yeas?
22:25 rue_house nolpe
22:25 rue_house 3 tendons
22:25 rue_house oddly enough
22:25 rue_house 2 for grabbing and one for retracting
22:25 useless please explain
22:26 rue_house one moment
22:26 rue_house I'll try to illustrate
22:26 rue_house where is my knife...
22:26 eless changes gla
22:27 rue_house http://www.raddaily.com/data/articles/msk/fingertendons.jpg
22:27 rue_house there is detail on the two grabbing ones
22:27 rue_house interesting how they multipoint attach and weave eh?
22:28 rue_house http://www.netterimages.com/images/vpv/000/000/004/4673-0550x0475.jpg
22:28 rue_house that kinda shows the 3rd one
22:28 useless i do not see two per bone there
22:28 rue_house its not
22:29 rue_house the retractor is shared
22:29 rue_house 1 finger, 3 tendons
22:29 useless the vinculums do not move the bone, they only hold the tendon near the bone as it moves
22:29 useless yeas, 1 finger, 3 tendons to grasp, 3 tendons to ungrasp
22:29 rue_house hu?
22:30 rue_house I see 2 tendons to grasp, 1 tendon to ungrasp
22:30 rue_house per finger
22:30 rue_house with multipoint attachment on a number of them
22:30 rue_house http://www.wheelessonline.com/image2/phl1.jpg
22:30 useless http://www.raddaily.com/data/articles/msk/fingertendons.jpg <<== shows only tendons to 2 bones, not the 3rd bone, and shows no ungrasp tendons
22:31 rue_house 'long extensor tendon', 'flexor digitorum superfacialias tendon' and 'flexor digiterum profundus tendon'
22:31 useless http://www.netterimages.com/images/vpv/000/000/004/4673-0550x0475.jpg , middle image, shows 3 to grasp, one to each phange
22:32 rue_house huh, I must have just uttered a spell, half my supper just dissapeared...
22:32 useless hey, so did mone!
22:32 rue_house yes
22:32 useless you are not seeing the lumbrical muscle
22:33 rue_house last images does
22:33 rue_house what does that do?
22:33 rue_house is that side to side?
22:33 useless it makse the proximal phalange grasp
22:33 rue_house say what?
22:33 useless sorry, was trying to get dinner to reappear
22:34 useless bottom image on http://www.netterimages.com/images/vpv/000/000/004/4673-0550x0475.jpg
22:34 rue_house right, but if you simply lop off at the knuckle, there are 3 tondons...
22:35 useless 3 to grasp, 3 to ungrasp
22:35 rue_house what are the name of the ungrasp ones?
22:35 rue_house or they go to muscles right away?
22:36 useless graspers : flexor digitoum superficiallis, flexor digitorus profundus, and lumbrical m. on http://www.wheelessonline.com/image2/phl1.jpg
22:36 rue_house ok
22:37 useless ungraspers : long extensor tendon , extensor insertion to middle phalanx , extrnsor insertion to distal plananx on http://www.wheelessonline.com/image2/phl1.jpg
22:38 useless almost the same nomenclature on top image of http://www.netterimages.com/images/vpv/000/000/004/4673-0550x0475.jpg
22:39 rue_house yes, but those are all take-offs from the extensor tendon...?
22:39 eless was studying this stuff as a young teenager, and that was 42 yrs
22:39 useless if the tendon was just one tendon, you couldn't move your finger joints separately
22:41 rue_house I'm reffering to the ...long extensor tendon
22:41 rue_house its hooked to the 3 bones, but by different takeoffs, yes?
22:41 Tom_itx why do we try to imitate ourselves in hardware?
22:42 useless i know what you mean, 1) i think i am correct, and 2) what Tom said
22:44 rue_house you work with what you know
22:45 useless http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forearm mentions several flexor muscles, they woldn't all drive the same tendon
22:45 useless same for the extensor muscles
22:45 rue_house right
22:46 rue_house but there is only one long extensor tendon right?
22:47 useless i cannot agree, i can be forcefully extending the proximal and medial phanages, and the distal be limp and easily wiggled
22:47 useless medial
22:47 useless middle
22:47 useless i don't see that being possible if there was one solid tendon to all 3 bones
22:48 rue_house but with the two other tensdons you can selectivly cancel the net force on one of the bones
22:48 useless if it is the case that there is but one tendon, why duplicate that mistake in the robot?
22:48 rue_house it has me interested, I expected 2 tendons per joint
22:49 useless i wil be building with 2 tendons per joint, it makes the movement fully symetrical, and enables active stiffness feedback for each joint
22:52 useless i seriously considered vinculum in place of ducting the tendons, but i settled on routing them over the bearings,,, in the fingers, but in the palms i'll be using vinculum sorta things to hold the tendons in positions, due to space and cost and the number of bends inthe tendons
22:54 useless if the scheme works as a medium human paw size, it can be scaled up for strength and down for fetishes
22:56 useless symetry : doesn'tmatter how the hand is laid on the table, if yu drop a ball on it the fingers move upwards to grasp the ball
22:57 rue_house what sccale is your finger?
22:57 useless as seen on the webpage on the scale
22:57 useless http://designerthinking.com/images/fingers/DSCF3093m.jpg
22:57 rue_house not a fraction of you?
22:58 rue_house its inch looks like about an inch
22:59 useless oh, it wasn't meant to scale to me, but upon measuring, it could be the index or the ring finger
23:00 useless for a small human paw, it could be the middle long finger
23:00 useless i tried more to get the individual bones to scale each otehr, but that's about all
23:01 useless i had more iportant measuements, and the finger was meant to scale up or down if it worked anyhow
23:01 useless http://designerthinking.com/images/fingers/DSCF3068m.jpg
23:02 useless http://designerthinking.com/images/fingers/DSCF3089m.jpg
23:02 useless http://designerthinking.com/fingers.html <<== many of the pics are on a scale for size
23:04 useless i also spent time, and recutting work, to keep the finger portions from getting to large in diameter
23:05 useless what i settled for is the entire widthof the bones is the widest point of the width of the narrowest joint on that bone
23:07 useless so the width of the medial phanage is the width of the required joint width where it joins the distal phalange, and not whee it joins the proximal phlange, and it doesn't taper in/out between the joints like the human bones do
23:07 useless i might be able to skinny it down later, but i am not planning on it
23:10 useless in case yu wonder, this is what the distal and medial bones are made of : http://www.fastenal.com/web/search/product/raw-materials/bars/machine-keys/_/Navigation?searchterm=&sortby=webrank&sortdir=descending&searchmode=&refine=~|categoryl1:%22600930%20Raw%20Materials%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600932%20Bars%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22604657%20Machine%20Keys%22|~%20~|sattr01:^3/8%22$|~%20~|sattr08:^Square$|~
23:11 useless the 3/8 worked out to just barely hold the bearings
23:12 rue_house did you have thoughts of bone level reflex limiting? (non bluckleover) or ?
23:12 useless hmm?
23:12 rue_house limiting on straightenign out
23:13 useless why would i build in limits?
23:13 rue_house :) ok
23:16 useless the proximal phalange is 1/2 x 1/2 key stock, but it tapers down to 1/2 wide x 3/8 tall at the medial joint
23:16 useless it will have some fancy drilling, making me wish i had a mill
23:27 useless .
23:28 rue_house yup