#garfield Logs

Nov 20 2012

00:38 any86927516 just in case you're looking for 18v motors for robotics
02:02 any86927516 which reminds me ..... you know how sometimes i do things to excess?
02:03 any86927516 i got an entire 40ft 18-wheeler box trailer full of used tires for free
02:04 any86927516 delivery not included
09:01 rue_mohr used tires, hmm
09:01 rue_mohr a person cuid build a hell of a wall with those
11:47 any86927516 spam alert:
11:47 any86927516 > The best way to find out about the group is to just come out to an
11:47 any86927516 > event.
11:47 any86927516 I seem to lack the words to convey "I CANNOT COME TO AN EVENT", due to the BIG FONT on the webpage saying "This location is shown only to members". And like i said, not going to become a member if i have no clue what it's about. What i see
11:48 any86927516 (from the website(s)) is guys building (potato) guns, and playing with rocket fuel (a form of slow burning explosive) in fire pits next to a forested area. That's so not a high tech club, and not a type of club i want to be associated with. I was thinking the group was
11:48 any86927516 interested in Ai, solar power, alternative transport, innovative small computer systems, not guns and explosives. And any moron can make a chicken coop door open and close to keep out the 'coons and 'possums.
12:04 any86927516 yeas, i am so hard to understand: "we won't tell you where to visit us, we won't tell you how to contact an event organiser, you haveto give us money first to be a member, you can't contact us to give us money until you are a member"
13:33 Guest99859 ?
18:59 any86927516 [the puzzle] Pumpkin Pie with Whipped _ream
18:59 any86927516 <contestant> Pat, i'd like to solve the puzzle: Pumpkin Pie with Whipped Bream!
18:59 any86927516 <Pat> You're a fisherman aren't you? whould you eat that? that makes me nauseous just thinking of "whipped bream"
19:48 any86927516 looks awkward : http://weldingweb.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=201341&stc=1&d=1342947809
20:17 rue_mohr kat, is that the hacker group I was mentioning?
20:17 y86927516
20:18 any86927516 i have a few bugs like this one : http://designerthinking.com/XTRA4.JPG
20:18 rue_mohr huh, I didn't expect that much variation on the theme
20:19 any86927516 hmm?
20:19 rue_mohr the "hacker group"
20:19 rue_mohr coo
20:19 rue_mohr I think someone rigged your deck
20:20 rue_mohr where are the rest of the cards?
20:20 rue_mohr what version is that
20:21 any86927516 spider solitare
20:21 rue_mohr some ebay stuff arrived today
20:21 any86927516 microsoft
20:21 any86927516 no versaion data on it
20:21 rue_mohr a usb hub, and 10 of the tinyest buckles I'v ever seen
20:22 any86927516 most of the errors on the spider solitare are of the too-many-cards type
20:22 any86927516 i just got 3 cordless drills with batteries and chargers for $5.50
20:24 rue_mohr cool
20:24 any86927516 i have 300+ ft of pipe down the mountain to the pump, and i *need* the drain and airpurge valves down there to operate from negative psi to 100psi, smoothly and sorta slowly, to avoid water hammer, so i cannot use those pricey $40 valves anyhow
20:25 any86927516 so, cheap drill motors and cheap pvc ball valves
20:25 rue_mohr is your water supply downhill or uphill?
20:25 any86927516 i can build all 3 cheaper than i can buy one "real" valve
20:26 any86927516 umm,,,, what?
20:26 rue_mohr I thought the water went downhill to get to your house
20:26 rue_mohr and then you pump it
20:26 any86927516 rainfall is downwards, mostly, but i am not using it atm
20:26 any86927516 the creek is at the bottom of the mountain
20:27 rue_mohr oh
20:27 any86927516 i pump it up to cheap open pool/tank holding ~2000 gallons, then traditional pump to make ~55psi to feed the house
20:28 any86927516 working to put a ~500 gal pool/tank in the cellar, cause it's going below freezing a lot this coming weekend, and i don't really need the pump (which is outside) to freeze and burst
20:29 Tom_itx http://www.pololu.com/blackfriday2012
20:29 any86927516 so, gotta move the pump and pressure tank inside, and the 500 gal tank will give me a couple months of water (of course the weather warms above freezing several times a month so i can refill if the creek thaws too
20:30 rue_mohr I hope it works better for you than my boiler is
20:31 rue_mohr acording to the chart, the boiler is at 8c ish
20:31 any86927516 well, the system works now, but it's all manual, like i carried the baby pump to the creek and plugged it in this afternoon, haveto go get it back up here tomorrow
20:32 any86927516 Tom, can polpoulu beat $15 for windshield wiper motors?
20:33 rue_mohr they cant beat the costs we get things for
20:33 rue_mohr they aren't for people like us
20:34 y86927516 looks all weepy (you said us, like i am part of
20:35 rue_mohr I keep telling you that
20:36 rue_mohr you usually refuse to hear me
20:37 any86927516 you said "us" before?
20:38 e_mohr cracks a mused s
20:38 rue_mohr I'm glad you seem to be feeling better
20:39 any86927516 FOR SALE :
20:39 any86927516 2007 Ford Focus ZX5 2.0L Dohc 16V Auto
20:39 any86927516 Good used windshield wiper motor
20:39 rue_mohr heh, are you reselling cars that happen to be lacking windshield wiper motors?
20:39 any86927516 i think they are really draining the bucket to look for reasons to buy that car : "good used wiper motor" ?!
20:40 rue_mohr heh
20:40 rue_mohr at work we sold a new set of tires, the stipulation for buying them was the buyer had to take the attached van
20:40 rue_mohr had new hubcaps too
20:41 any86927516 that may be the gotcha to my free tires: i haveto take them all, no matter what
20:41 any86927516 and they keep refilling the truck at nite
20:50 rue_mohr may I ask what attratected you to buying used tires?
20:51 any86927516 means i could never run out of free tires that i haveto keep going back to get, over and over, for years, till they quit using tires on cars
20:51 rue_mohr I should go to the shop, my ods of getting someting progressive done would go up significantly
20:51 any86927516 buying them? who said i would pay for them?
20:51 rue_mohr oh sorry, working error
20:51 rue_mohr .. wording
20:52 rue_mohr apparently there are insufficient address bits between my brain and my fingers
20:53 any86927516 twhreour thngs: retaining wall for the side pathway which keeps eroding to a slope even with no robots using it atm, fuel, blunt brute force wall tween me and neighbors
20:54 rue_mohr I understand that stacked, you can grow a LOT of potato in them
20:54 rue_mohr you keep building it up as they grow
20:54 any86927516 sure, but may taste oily
20:54 rue_mohr they put potatoes out for the whole heigt
20:54 e_mohr s
20:54 rue_mohr s
20:54 any86927516 "whole heigth" ?
20:54 rue_mohr ;laksdjfl;kjsdflkjsl;dfj;lskjdf;lkjsf;kljskcnksoiitrsakjhtaskhwiueyripuwyepirhsalkdfjn
20:55 rue_mohr :/
20:55 any86927516 i don't understand
20:55 rue_mohr me and my keyboard are also not getting along good
20:55 any86927516 pic?
20:55 any86927516 [20:42] <rue_mohr> they put potatoes out for the whole heigt
20:55 any86927516 heigth of what?
20:55 rue_mohr height
20:55 rue_mohr of the tire stack
20:55 rue_mohr as the plant grows you throw on another tire and fill it up with soil
20:56 any86927516 but if the stack is 15ft tall, you have the same area as if you used just one tire
20:56 rue_mohr volume
20:56 any86927516 potatoes don't root 15ft down
20:56 rue_mohr they put out potatoes over the distance from the origin to the top
20:56 any86927516 <blink>
20:56 rue_mohr if they are stacked up, they apparently do
20:56 rue_mohr cool eh?
20:57 any86927516 can i try that with leaf mulch next spring?
20:57 rue_mohr mine rotted, too much rain and I was just using hay
20:57 any86927516 oh
20:57 rue_mohr if too much rain provide roof
20:57 any86927516 hay is prone to rot anything it touches, actually
20:57 rue_mohr it was rottin on its own
20:57 any86927516 yeas
20:58 rue_mohr I think my language module is failing
20:58 rue_mohr I'm thinking in statements and code directives
20:58 rue_mohr oh well
20:59 any86927516 i would like to sit this pool on concrete in the cellar, but i don't have the money for that any more
21:00 any86927516 of course, if mice chew thru it's bottom, i'll go get concrete anyhow :-/
21:00 rue_mohr I put a pool on the flattest place in my yard and it rolled over the next day
21:00 any86927516 yeas, you must use a level
21:01 any86927516 the 2000 gal one would hold another 1000 if it was level, but i didn't have time to level a 15x15 area to get running water when i got back to alaforkingbama
21:01 rue_mohr I forgot to use a compas when I built the shop
21:02 rue_mohr hmm I need a fuse bank for buddy
21:03 any86927516 i recommend them, even if you can add fuse-ability to the h-bridge drivers
21:04 any86927516 in overcurrent, just shut off the drivers
21:04 rue_mohr I have an electronic cutout
21:04 any86927516 but fuses protect it all
21:04 rue_mohr its independent of the computer
21:04 any86927516 of course
21:04 rue_mohr which has current sense lines it can read and dial down the pwm
21:06 any86927516 i didn't get much done today, i did fencing and got water pumping, and visited the creek for a bit
21:06 rue_mohr hows it feeling
21:06 any86927516 it has more water in it than last month
21:07 rue_mohr cool
21:08 any86927516 makes me wish i had been able to finish my pond, i can pump 700 gallons per day even with no surface water at all in the creek, just deep pools in/on the rock slabs
21:09 any86927516 the pond was to be for fish, garden, and small boats, an occasional swim if i knew it to be snake-free
21:09 any86927516 i put a lot of work into that dam, it's like 20ft tall on the backside in the center
21:10 any86927516 all dirt/clay from whee i cut the driveway into the mountain
21:10 any86927516 every time i look at it, i remember why my shoulders hurt
21:11 any86927516 all that water would make a great heatsink too
21:11 rue_mohr moving mountians around will do that
21:13 any86927516 you realise ,, if your power/heat bill is ~$110/mo, and you could burn 1.5 gallons of gasoline per day at $3.00/gal to make all the heat btu you need, then at 100% efficient you could also make more electricity than you'd ever need, and still have the waste heat you wanted?
21:13 any86927516 then, naturally, you switch to free wood or tires, and it's like making that $110/mo tax free income
21:14 any86927516 not counting power system maintenance
21:14 rue_mohr I was thinking about reasonable human technology for energy storage, and I was thinking that I really need soemthing else
21:14 any86927516 have you tried aluminum foil?
21:15 rue_mohr capacitors or other?
21:15 any86927516 you get a truck load of it, breakinto a nuke reactor power plant, wrap the reactor and disguise it, address it to yourself as a chrictmas present :-)
21:15 rue_mohr :)
21:15 any86927516 ultracaps
21:16 rue_mohr dont have a plasma carbon sprayer
21:16 any86927516 for a low power outdoor app, or where they must recharge to full instantly, you could make a fortune
21:16 any86927516 umm, a whosiwats?
21:16 rue_mohr for increasing the surface area
21:17 rue_mohr of the foil
21:17 any86927516 etch it
21:18 any86927516 or, oxidise it (anodise it) in a vac chamber, Al oxide (anodise) is a few atoms thick, stays put, and is an insulator
21:18 rue_mohr there is a trick to outright volumetric electron storage, I cant quite work it out
21:18 rue_mohr something to do with the way the energy level drops as the oppiste charges are seperated
21:19 any86927516 you'll never get the same volume as a lead-acid or lithium cell, but they recharge instantly and don't care about temperature
21:21 any86927516 atm, there's 4W-hr ultracaps on ebay for $25, that's plenty to power an electric gate from a solar panel forever, for cheaper than any lead acid you could put out there (and which wold last only one winter)
21:22 any86927516 4W-hr = 240W-minutes, it would power a 100watt motor for 15 sec to oopen the gate, and 15 sec to close it, with power left to operate the latching and blinky lites
21:23 any86927516 and no power rolloff at -20C or 40C
21:23 any86927516 no acid to leak, almost zero leak current
21:24 any86927516 if only we could make them, set up a machine, retire to somewhere interesting where there's intelligent humans
21:25 any86927516 rent all the stairs in town, lay piezo generators on each step, sell the power, get rich
21:26 any86927516 set piezo generators on the pavement around stoplites, you get power as the cars hit the brakes and the gas
22:29 any86927516 i need suggestions, i have so many of these off the electric power steering units, what can i use them for?? : http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-FPD-Tie-Rod-End-Ford-Focus-2002-2001-2000-Auto-Car-Parts-CFYS4Z-3280-CB-/110852859465?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19cf586649&vxp=mtr
22:30 any86927516 the fat end is a bal joint, never been used
22:36 any86927516 ALERT THERE'S A LERT! : http://stores.ebay.com/Rite-On-parts/_i.html?_nkw=motor&submit=Search&_sid=191097658 <<== 12vdc gearmotors free s&h
22:37 any86927516 wiper motors, window motors, starter motors, fan motors
22:37 rue_mohr I dont see free s&h
22:38 rue_mohr Shipping:
22:38 rue_mohr $30.90 USPS Priority Mail International | See details
22:39 any86927516 not on 100% of them, but most of them, inclusind heavy starters!
22:39 any86927516 wait
22:40 any86927516 you're in Canadia :-/
22:40 rue_mohr yup
22:40 any86927516 you need amailbox on the usa side, and a robot to make weekly runs to it
22:40 rue_mohr http://www.ebay.com/itm/window-regulator-motor-RR-passenger-2002-02-oldsmobile-intrigue-40238-/271015590210?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item3f19c9b942
22:41 rue_mohr there must be something interesting that can be used for
22:41 any86927516 linear actuator is what it is
22:42 any86927516 http://stores.ebay.com/DIYPARTSDEPOT/Starter-Motors-/_i.html?_fsub=1487450013&_sid=889184623&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 12v small engine starters at 1/2 to 1/5 normal prices, but NOT free s&h
22:43 rue_mohr http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-S-10-2-Door-Regular-Cab-1988-Chevrolet-S-10-4x2-Manual-4-Cylinder-Regular-Cab-Pickup-5-/271106766565?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f1f38f6e5
22:43 rue_mohr hmm a standard transmission for my conversion
22:43 any86927516 but it's 1250 and it's in eastern usa
22:44 rue_mohr can you help me find a std transmission for my truck?
22:45 rue_mohr I think its a 91 S10
22:45 any86927516 it runs, you may as well just put the electric motor in it, and not mod you truck
22:45 rue_mohr they are expensive to insure, I dont want more of them
22:46 rue_mohr ooo a door bushing kit
22:46 any86927516 you going to put an electric on it, right? then the tranny make etc doesn't really matter, you'll be so deep into custom making a bell housing, you can mate it to any tranny
22:46 rue_mohr SQEEEEK-CLUNK
22:46 rue_mohr ita a non-electronic auto
22:47 any86927516 huh?
22:48 rue_mohr its currently got an automatic transmission, one that isn't electronic
22:49 any86927516 i am saying you will be making a custom bell housing for ANY tranny you get, they aren't made off-the-shelf to fit electric motors, so since you MUST make the bell housing / adaptor, you can make it fit ANY manual tranny you can get
22:49 rue_mohr I'm not familir with auto work like you are
22:49 any86927516 unless you were going to seach for one that would fit a flat plate ?
22:49 rue_mohr I dont know what will/wont fit / easily adapt
22:50 any86927516 nothing *easily* will fit, but anything can be made to fit nicely
22:50 any86927516 will you want a clutch with it?
22:51 rue_mohr electric motor = electronically clutched
22:51 rue_mohr torque relief in the motor driver
22:52 any86927516 yeas,, technically that's not a clutch, but you don't require one most cases, specially with a series wound dc motor
22:52 any86927516 i did not use one in my electric VW
22:52 rue_mohr I can have the motor just hold rpm
22:54 any86927516 found : tomsforeignauto
22:58 rue_mohr why would someone buy a used headlight?
22:59 any86927516 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SM465-Muncie-4-Spd-Transmission-Chevy-GMC-Truck-w-Crawler-1st-Gear-1968-1980-/290702397703?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43af369107
22:59 rue_mohr with crawler gear :)
23:00 rue_mohr why do i think thats for a larger truck?
23:00 any86927516 fits Blazers and Suburbans, i dunno
23:01 rue_mohr oh
23:01 rue_mohr it looks like its taken a few dunks in the mud :)
23:01 any86927516 http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Parts-Accessories-/6028/i.html?_kw=truck&_kw=transmission&_kw=4spd
23:01 rue_mohr huh, $150 is pretty good
23:02 any86927516 i changed to 4spd, because you have a huger torque range with the dc motor
23:02 rue_mohr U-pick-up infront of draculas house.... hmmm
23:02 rue_mohr yup
23:03 any86927516 hmm, drat
23:03 e_mohr tries to work out in
23:03 any86927516 you don't want the 4x4 gearboxes, they have to tailshaft housing
23:03 any86927516 err
23:03 any86927516 you don't want the 4x4 gearboxes, they have NO tailshaft housing
23:03 rue_mohr hmm
23:06 rue_mohr http://hackaday.com/2012/11/20/worlds-oldest-functioning-digital-computer-reminds-us-of-a-telephone-exchange/
23:06 rue_mohr http://hackaday.com/2012/11/20/discrete-6502-processor-sucked-into-linux-by-a-beaglebone/
23:07 any86927516 i dunno how this one is shifted, but i say put servoes on it and shift electrically, this should be easy to bolt to a motor : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-truck-1957-1964-transmission-F100-F250-Standard-3-spd-top-loader-/190595946907?hash=item2c6067599b&item=190595946907&pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
23:08 rue_mohr haha
23:08 rue_mohr hmm
23:08 rue_mohr I wonder if the gears still like to stay in gear
23:08 rue_mohr 1957...
23:09 rue_mohr oh, wait a sec, it uses the two lever thing
23:09 any86927516 ok, so two servos
23:10 any86927516 almost all trannies use 2 or 3 bars internally, and some trickery to interface to one stick outside
23:10 rue_mohr uh, and advanvage of using an S10 transmission would be the speedometer compatability :)
23:10 rue_mohr 57 is damn vintage
23:10 rue_mohr :0
23:10 rue_mohr :)
23:11 rue_mohr cool
23:11 any86927516 drive the speedo cable with a drill
23:12 any86927516 that way you'll never have that problem of the speedo being wrong for the tire size you want to use
23:12 rue_mohr an unexpected but really valid point
23:14 y86927516 often thinks of everything at once, i'm sure you know the fee
23:14 rue_mohr quite
23:15 any86927516 i shifted the autotranny on a Torino with a wiper motor on one occasion
23:15 any86927516 and cabled the parking brake lever to the power brake pedal too
23:24 rue_mohr hmmm
23:29 rue_mohr http://sciexplorer.blogspot.ca/2012_10_01_archive.html
23:30 rue_mohr I'll have to work out a way to get things from the states one day
23:40 y86927516 ponders how to bolt a vibrating motor-pump to a steel base and a steel (made of 1/2 a water heater tank) without the steel making the motor-pump sound lo
23:41 rue_mohr antiresonant dampers?
23:41 any86927516 if i cover the motor-pump or the water lines with a 5 gal bucket, the bucket acts like an amplifier, it's quite loud
23:42 rue_mohr but it you put in a damping material, like jellow
23:42 rue_mohr jello
23:42 any86927516 then the critters will be there for dinner
23:42 rue_mohr dosn't have to be jello
23:42 rue_mohr a coat of silicone has been known to help
23:43 any86927516 my brain is about to shut off, i can feel it
23:44 rue_mohr ditto
23:44 rue_mohr too bad tyou dont have some thick rubber you could coat it with
23:44 any86927516 carrying cement down the mountain is a problem, plus i have yet to solve the summer motor heat vs winter pipe freezing cold controls inside the enclosure down there
23:45 any86927516 carpet underlayment? carpet painted in heavy latex roofing paint?
23:46 rue_mohr no like thick stuff, like conveyor belt
23:46 any86927516 that much paint would take months to dry tho
23:46 any86927516 i am drawing blanks
23:47 rue_mohr some kinda thick volcanized rubber
23:47 rue_mohr my brain, stopped, gnight!
23:47 any86927516 the problem is everyting is shaking, if i touch a 5 gal bucket to the pipes 70ft away, it acts like a tin-can-phone, and its quite hearable
23:48 any86927516 and the pvc pipes are "insulated" from the pump with 2ft of flexable hose in a curl
23:48 rue_mohr yes, if you take a can and cover it in rubber or silicone, its really hard to get any noise out of it
23:48 rue_mohr gnight kat
23:49 any86927516 gnite