#garfield Logs

Jun 29 2012

07:02 katsmeow-afk it's all pushing $4/gigabyte now
08:27 katsmeow-afk ok, i checked the psu at the 57,000ufd cap bank, under 5amps load each supply (because i used 6amp fuses, i got a lot of them to blow), one at a time, with dvm and oscope:
08:27 katsmeow-afk 3.6v supply reads 5v @ 5amps (this psu can waste 1.4v in regulation)
08:27 katsmeow-afk 8v supply reads 10v @ 5amps (this psu can waste 2v in regulation)
08:27 katsmeow-afk 15v supply reads 17v @ 5amps (this psu can waste 2v in regulation)
08:28 katsmeow-afk 5 amps is a good figure, i think
08:28 katsmeow-afk each supply should be able to put out rated voltage at 5amps, with all the psu delivering
08:29 katsmeow-afk rue, so you see in normal operation each TIP35/36 will be handling under 1 amp
08:31 katsmeow-afk but the 8v psu is wound with #16awg, and using both 8v psu in a centertapped H-bridge config, should be able to handle 15amps for at least 30 sec, for motor-driver testing and exploding
08:32 katsmeow-afk at 15amps, each TIP35/36 handles 3.75 amps and total heat load into the sink would be 60watts
08:33 katsmeow-afk it's surviveable for short unknown durations
08:34 katsmeow-afk 5amps at 57,000 ufd is .7v of ripple, 15amps would be 2.1v ripple, so not counting other losses the psu will be at the edge of maintaining rated voltage at 2x rated current draw
08:36 katsmeow-afk the scarey part is the caps will have 30 watts of ripple, but atm that is unknown amount of ESR losses, cause i don't have a current probe
08:36 katsmeow-afk (for pulsey dc)
08:42 katsmeow-afk fwiw, i am still wondery about the actual rated capacitance of these caps
08:44 katsmeow-afk just extrapolating from .7 ripple at 5a on 57kufd, i'd have .7 riple at 1a on 17kufd, or 2.1v ripple at 1a on 5600ufd which just sounds high to me
08:46 katsmeow-afk from westhost.com : The net result is that the required capacitance is about 3,500uF per amp, for a 2V peak to peak ripple (50Hz supply).
08:57 katsmeow-afk hmmmm
08:57 katsmeow-afk The rule is that an 8300 microfarad capacitor has its volts of ripple
08:57 katsmeow-afk equal to its amps of current at full wave 60 Hertz.
08:57 katsmeow-afk Everything simply scales from there.
08:59 katsmeow-afk by that rule, my 57,000u is spot on with .7 ripple at 5amps , but i expected better
09:05 rue_more how much filtering is pre-regulator and how much post?
09:06 katsmeow-afk 57,000 pre
09:06 katsmeow-afk i didn't decide post filtering, because post filtering lowers the bandwidth
09:07 rue_more 100V/s
09:07 katsmeow-afk i want a minimla post filtering, because it adds load at high freqs and slews risetimes
09:07 katsmeow-afk i did not decide, that's all i can say about it atm
09:09 katsmeow-afk i didn't decide about protection diodes on the outputs either, even tho i have the headroom i can waste, for each diode i haveto make a heatsink throw 4 watts / 5amps, and i don't have any room on my existing layout of heatsinks
09:09 katsmeow-afk i don't have any single diodes good for 10amps, the smallest i have over 3amps is 25amp blocks
09:10 katsmeow-afk 6 of them on 2x2 inche sinks is gonna eat up a lot of space
09:10 rue_more I suggest large reverse input voltage diodes
09:10 katsmeow-afk me too
09:12 katsmeow-afk the smallest high amp diodes i have is 25amp bridge blocks, which can be wired up to make 50amps (surge) of reverse polarity
09:12 katsmeow-afk if i wire up to be a short under reverse polarity, i lose no headroom, but i better add anotehr 6 fuses somewhere so i don't melt down bananananna jacks
09:13 katsmeow-afk if i add them so they pass output current but prevent reverse current forcing, then i lose active pulldown ability, PLUS i haveto add in the 2x2 heatsinks to get rid of the constant 4watts of dissipation
09:13 rue_more hmm problem
09:13 rue_more http://paste.debian.net/176930/
09:14 rue_more check out the last few entries...
09:14 rue_more for that matter anything over 10V is not helpfull much
09:14 katsmeow-afk it's not meant to be a high precision psu
09:15 rue_more ok
09:15 rue_more otherwise, is the table look right?
09:15 katsmeow-afk and i knew thre's be granularity, and i don't have 16bit adc chips
09:16 rue_more after 10V, your between 6 and 7 counts per display digit
09:16 rue_more otherwise, is the table look ok?
09:17 katsmeow-afk this psu is about bulk power and amps , not precision and millivolts/milliamps , it's about testing a windshild motor driver, or drill motor driver, or powering a stack of dos-fat-in-hardware pcbs, for examples
09:17 rue_more otherwise, is the table look ok?
09:17 rue_more :)
09:17 katsmeow-afk table looks as expected
09:17 rue_more ok
09:18 rue_more now to put it in a rom...
09:18 katsmeow-afk i didn't have room for 4 digits, and felt there wasn't a huge advantae for them in this situation
09:18 rue_more yup
09:19 katsmeow-afk for almost all electrnics, an on-board regulator is muchly preferred, hence the 8v output instead of a super-precise 5v output
09:19 katsmeow-afk and 5v ouptup nstead of super precise 3.3v or 2.5v output
09:20 katsmeow-afk 12 roms for 6 psu?
09:20 rue_more yea
09:21 katsmeow-afk i have sram, i have 29F400 flash rams
09:22 katsmeow-afk i have 8bit latches in 74AC/HC/HCT/F 16/5/373/4 configurations
09:23 katsmeow-afk i have no roms/proms/eproms/eeproms to speak of
09:25 katsmeow-afk i like the idea of the off-cpu decoder rom, being i was going to have a waveform storage ram of some flavor anyhow, so i can make a psu deliver ramps, triangles, pulses, etc,, cause after all, internally it smells a lot like a high distortion audio amplifier
09:27 katsmeow-afk i'm getting worried about how much space there is for all these functions, adding those transformers (they are almost 2x2x2 inch cubes) took out an inch of behind-panel space
09:31 tsmeow-afk
09:38 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/DSCF2764m.jpg
09:40 katsmeow-afk for scale, the 10w sandblocks are 6mm wire-to-wire allowance, 5mm actual sandblock length, so yu can see how much room is left behind front panel to the transformers
09:41 katsmeow-afk the caps are slightly rearranged from that pic and are bolted down in the box, and i am going with two small heatsinks per transistor instead of that big 4x4mm one there
09:42 katsmeow-afk see the one arrangement with the pcb tween the big sinks, i just can't figure what to put in there (except for resistors) that will never need metering or adjusting
09:44 katsmeow-afk but if i put the resistors there, i gain 6 sq inches of pcb for the electrnics,, but the resistors will throw some heat onto the sinks
09:44 katsmeow-afk prolly not enough to matter however
09:45 katsmeow-afk because most of the chips relate to the displays, i dunno how much use having the additional 2x3inch of pcb *there* will be
09:46 katsmeow-afk i can put the reverse protection diodes there :-/
09:47 katsmeow-afk barely
09:48 katsmeow-afk i wanted to cut pcb and do layouts last nite, but spent over an hr to find the dremel, cause the hacksaw blades were trashing the perf/proto board
09:49 katsmeow-afk it's still true tho, give an engineer time, and the project can grow fantastically to be much more than can be built by the oem in a practical universe
09:59 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/DSCF2789m.jpg
09:59 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/DSCF2790m.jpg
10:00 katsmeow-afk as you can see in http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/DSCF2789m.jpg , i am counting all the little .010's that keep adding up
10:01 katsmeow-afk and while in normal operation those big sandblocks dissipate only a watt, worse case dissipation for short duration is 10watts
10:03 katsmeow-afk http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/DSCF2790m.jpg just shows some of the caps, the others are amirror image layout, allowing max airflow thru the intake hole there
10:09 katsmeow-afk rue, if i use that 2x3inch space for a dip-40 avr, a 29F400 flash chip, two 10bit adc chips, some sorta dacs (resistors?), i can run ribbon cable to latches behind the display digits and mux the data to the 7-seg latches there,, so how much pcb room will i *really* need?
10:10 katsmeow-afk crap
10:10 katsmeow-afk in that 2x3 inches, each psu will have HALF that space available
10:10 katsmeow-afk altho i can stack pcbs there
10:13 katsmeow-afk in http://designerthinking.com/images/benchpsu/DSCF2764m.jpg , the pcb over the transformers, i will have 2cm of space above the the pcb that's over the transformers, and 1cm of space under that pcb, so i could stack one pcb above and one pcb under that pcb if all it's on it is chips and 90 degree headers
10:15 tsmeow-afk goes to do something commensurate with her high IQ and disabled body : move dirt up onto the
11:55 katsmeow-afk i am so pooped, it is so hot up on the roof, if the plants do grow they'll be baked before i can pick them
11:56 katsmeow-afk with one roof mostly painted white, it's also blinding bright, a lot of the bright is going to be coming sideways at the plants, specially the tomatoes if they get tall
11:56 Tom_itx is it worth all that for a few vegtables?
11:59 katsmeow-afk i do not eat veggies otherwise
12:00 katsmeow-afk i was threatened with jail time for growing veggies in the ground, if i cannot prove i have a garden on the roof, i will not have any veggies on this property
12:00 katsmeow-afk it's worth it to not be arrested again
12:01 katsmeow-afk crawling on the ground among the plants is called "spying on the neighbors" , even tho every damned time i looked up, instead of staring at the ground, the asshole neighbor was at the property line watching me, i wasn't watching him
12:02 Tom_itx i'd tell him to fuck off and mind his own business but that's just me and i do know the story. sorry kat
12:02 katsmeow-afk the best garden area on this property, where i had a garden cleared from forest before he bought his place, all wasted
12:02 Tom_itx i gotta run
12:02 katsmeow-afk be safe
13:00 katsmeow-afk this makes little sense: if propane is boiled off at 250x vapor volume as liquid, and a 260 cu inch engine is using the vapor at 600psi, it can turn for one minute at 1600 rpm off one liquid cuft boiled, and make 2000 ftlbs , or 600hp
13:00 katsmeow-afk that's not counting re-expansion cylinders, or any energy recovery
13:01 katsmeow-afk but it's boiling off 7.5 gallons of propane, one cubic foot, per minute!
13:01 katsmeow-afk for only 600 hp!
13:01 katsmeow-afk the thought of condensing all that propane just as fast, on a movng vehicle, is mind-boggling
13:02 katsmeow-afk of course, who needs 600hp all the time?
13:03 katsmeow-afk so reducing that to 60hp, means boiling off 0.75 gallons of propane every minute
13:05 katsmeow-afk for 6hp, to turn a 2500watt genny and do other odd tasks, means boiling off 0.075 gallons per minute, or 4.5 gallons per hour, *peak* , PLUS any energy recovery and re-expansion cylinders
13:05 tsmeow-afk ponders some
13:11 katsmeow-afk well, well, some company in Colorado has gone into bulk snailmailing for china, chinese send crates of stuff to colorado, and colorado breakes it up to individual usps packages
13:12 katsmeow-afk shipping times are cut by **2 weeks**
13:12 katsmeow-afk Delivery: Estimated between Wed. Jul. 18 and Tue. Jul. 31 <<== and i got it today June 29 !
15:59 katsmeow-afk N4WRC, Riverside, Alabama (PWS)
15:59 katsmeow-afk Updated: 12 sec ago
15:59 katsmeow-afk 102.6 �F
15:59 katsmeow-afk Clear
15:59 katsmeow-afk Nearby Airports
15:59 katsmeow-afk City: Temp.: Conditions: Updated:
15:59 katsmeow-afk Anniston 102 �F Clear 2:53 PM CDT
15:59 katsmeow-afk Birmingham 102 �F Clear 2:53 PM CDT
15:59 katsmeow-afk Gadsden 102 �F Clear 3:35 PM CDT
15:59 katsmeow-afk Alabaster 101 �F Clear 2:53 PM CDT
16:00 katsmeow-afk Forecast for Pell City
16:00 katsmeow-afk Updated: 10:00 AM CDT on June 29, 2012
16:00 katsmeow-afk Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT Saturday...
16:00 katsmeow-afk Friday
16:00 katsmeow-afk Clear. High of 106F.
16:03 katsmeow-afk according to my thermal meter in the bedroom, it's 81F , 21F below the outside temperature
16:21 katsmeow-afk it's not bad at 81F, and considering the a/c is sitting in pieces , drying out, outside, i can't complain much
16:22 katsmeow-afk N4WRC, Riverside, Alabama (PWS)
16:22 katsmeow-afk Updated: 18 sec ago
16:22 katsmeow-afk 102.9 �F
16:22 katsmeow-afk Clear
16:22 katsmeow-afk still warming up
16:22 katsmeow-afk projected high is 106F
16:42 katsmeow-afk N4WRC, Riverside, Alabama (PWS)
16:42 katsmeow-afk Updated: 18 sec ago
16:42 katsmeow-afk 103.1 �F
17:15 katsmeow-afk temp is dropping now
17:15 katsmeow-afk N4WRC, Riverside, Alabama (PWS)
17:15 katsmeow-afk Updated: 32 sec ago
17:15 katsmeow-afk 102.7 �F
20:04 katsmeow-afk Dear maven_technologies,
20:04 katsmeow-afk UPS delivered the package to the wrong address. They are not going to
20:04 katsmeow-afk retrieve the package today, and this is Friday, so the package will likely
20:04 katsmeow-afk be destroyed by Monday. UPS says *you* must initiate an investigation. I
20:04 katsmeow-afk watched, i saw, i observed the driver of the UPS go to the wrong address
20:04 katsmeow-afk and then sign off the package as delivered. At this moment, i am also
20:04 katsmeow-afk calling the county sheriff's office to see if they will go over and get
20:04 katsmeow-afk the package, as i am assuming it has my name
20:04 katsmeow-afk and address on it?
20:04 katsmeow-afk 10 minutes later :
20:04 katsmeow-afk Dear maven_technologies,
20:04 katsmeow-afk The sheriff's dept will not go get the package, even if it has my name and
20:04 katsmeow-afk address on it. UPS will not go get the package because i said so. Only
20:04 katsmeow-afk way
20:04 katsmeow-afk for me to get the package is to sue the neighbors for it, or you to
20:04 katsmeow-afk report
20:04 katsmeow-afk the bad delivery to UPS.
20:04 katsmeow-afk This is Friday, by Monday the
20:04 katsmeow-afk Brashers will have destroyed the package and deny ever having it. Kat
20:23 Tom_itx :(
20:24 Tom_itx did your correspondenced with the shipper and UPS show it as delivered?
20:31 katsmeow-afk it's friday nite, ship went home till Monday
20:31 katsmeow-afk driver reported item delivered
20:31 katsmeow-afk driver went home till Monday
20:32 rue_more http://paste.debian.net/177016/
20:32 katsmeow-afk they keep doing this, last month the driver reported no house here, and business closed, and refused to deliver package
20:32 rue_more the sample value, first digit, decimal/not, second digit, decimal/not, third digit
20:33 katsmeow-afk i cannot think now rue
20:33 katsmeow-afk humans have fucked up again, and i can get zero help
20:33 rue_more give me the tracking number
20:34 katsmeow-afk 1Z03E01A0357708610
20:34 katsmeow-afk the neighbors have the package, i saw ups deliver it there
20:34 katsmeow-afk the neighbors who want me mauled by rottwilers, who want to cause me as much pan and suffering as possible
20:35 katsmeow-afk the ones who lie in court under oath for 12+ years
20:37 rue_more is it "zee" or "zed" in the usa?
20:37 Tom_itx the package should be insured
20:37 katsmeow-afk zee
20:37 katsmeow-afk it is not insured
20:37 Tom_itx UPS is responsible for proper delivery
20:37 katsmeow-afk no ebay seller i know except in Asia has any option for insyred shipping
20:37 katsmeow-afk insured
20:39 katsmeow-afk this is just nuts
20:39 Tom_itx want me to call them?
20:39 katsmeow-afk i contacted everyone who has items in ups for me, to file a missig package claim now, because they won't be delivered to me Monday, they'll all go to the neighbors too
20:39 katsmeow-afk what will you callling them do?
20:40 Tom_itx to notify UPS that they delivered it to the wrong address even though it indicates it was delivered to the 'porch'
20:40 Tom_itx it was not in fact delivered to the porch
20:41 katsmeow-afk it was delivered to the porch at the WRONG ADDRESS
20:41 Tom_itx doesn't your driver know where you live?
20:41 katsmeow-afk there's a dog gate on my drivay, they cannot get to my porch
20:41 katsmeow-afk nope, despite multiple signs with the street address on them, they went to the neighbors
20:42 katsmeow-afk they get new drivers, drivers don't care
20:42 rue_more your gates were closed right?
20:42 katsmeow-afk yep
20:42 katsmeow-afk i keep the gates closed and chained because UPS leaves them open for the dogs
20:42 katsmeow-afk and I WAS STANDING AT THE GATE when he delivered it to the neighbrs
20:42 Tom_itx there isn't a way for you to build a UPS drop box by the gate is there?
20:43 rue_more yup, they cant do anything till tuesday
20:43 Tom_itx did you holler at him?
20:43 rue_more they say to call 1800 782 7892
20:43 katsmeow-afk the gate posts have my address, the mailbox has my addrress, so they went to ANOTERH WRONG address instead!!!!
20:43 rue_more but I cant hear worth a damn over the noise on my line
20:43 katsmeow-afk he coldn't hear me over that diesel, he had it floored
20:44 Tom_itx i feel bad for you really
20:44 katsmeow-afk who is that number, rue?
20:44 rue_more Tom_itx, would you call and see what you can get out of them
20:44 rue_more its 1-800-742-5877
20:44 Tom_itx we are 'friends' with our UPS delivery guys
20:44 katsmeow-afk they change the guys out periodically
20:45 Tom_itx this has happened in the past?
20:45 katsmeow-afk 1-800-742-5877 is general public line, i have been on phone to them for an hour
20:45 katsmeow-afk yep
20:46 rue_more I cant give them hell when I cant hear every second word
20:46 rue_more I tried to insist they get the driver to correct it
20:46 katsmeow-afk they don't care, it's after 7pm, they refuse to lift a finger
20:47 rue_more tho kat, they DO have it on file that you said it wasn't delivered
20:47 katsmeow-afk "driver went home, we have no way to contact the driver"
20:47 rue_more they say they cant do anything till tuesday
20:47 Tom_itx what was it?
20:47 rue_more does it matter?
20:47 Tom_itx no
20:48 Tom_itx i just was curious
20:48 rue_more wait, its a federal crime to accept someone eles mail
20:48 rue_more you can sue them
20:48 katsmeow-afk and then they can't do anything till Thurday because Wednesday is "4th of July"
20:48 katsmeow-afk right i can hire a lawyer and sue them and they can lie under oath again and say they never had it
20:49 Tom_itx the driver would have to testify where he delivered it
20:49 Tom_itx and put his job in jeapordy if he lied
20:49 rue_more you can stump him with the gate
20:49 rue_more katsmeow-afk, how much to sue them for that?
20:50 katsmeow-afk prolly $600 to $1200
20:50 katsmeow-afk and i'd lose
20:50 Tom_itx in the south i can see that
20:50 rue_more and when you win thats covered in what you get, right?
20:50 Tom_itx it should be yes
20:50 rue_more ok
20:50 Tom_itx but not your lawyer fees
20:50 Tom_itx just court costs
20:50 Tom_itx i believe
20:50 rue_more can I wait till the usd is under the cad to loan kat the money for that?
20:51 rue_more so you add the lawyer fee to the amount your sueing for
20:51 katsmeow-afk rue, they'll just screw me another way
20:51 rue_more well we cant sue them on your behalf
20:51 Tom_itx katsmeow-afk do you have a friend you could have your stuff shipped to?
20:52 rue_more I'd loan you the money
20:52 rue_more but only if you sue 'em good
20:52 katsmeow-afk it's like AT&T telling me for 3 months they have changed my billing address, and then i get more mail at the po box, which i no longer have the key for, and so AT&T is now sending my phone records to an unknown 3rd party,, so i am out additional money to transfer the phne to Verison,
20:52 katsmeow-afk even tho Verison is crappy, at least they will not send confidential info to random people
20:53 katsmeow-afk Tom, sure, you or rue maybe, but that has disadvantages
20:53 Tom_itx i know
20:53 Tom_itx i meant locally
20:53 katsmeow-afk no
20:53 Tom_itx or can you build a UPS drop box at the gate
20:53 rue_more would the recycler guy work with you?
20:54 katsmeow-afk wht will a UPS drop box be when the UPS driver never approaches y property?
20:54 katsmeow-afk rue, we are not friends
20:54 Tom_itx it's a rural drive right?
20:54 katsmeow-afk Tom, yeas
20:54 Tom_itx where the 2 drives meet
20:55 Tom_itx are they close together?
20:55 katsmeow-afk the driveways to not meet
20:55 Tom_itx ok
20:55 katsmeow-afk over 50ft apart
20:55 Tom_itx yeah
20:55 rue_more and your address is labeled so well even a moron could see it from 500'?
20:56 katsmeow-afk yu cannot see the end of the road from 500ft
20:56 Tom_itx where is your local UPS building?
20:56 rue_more brimmingham
20:56 katsmeow-afk Tom, the local ups distributon is at the Bham airport
20:56 Tom_itx i would visit them and make it clear that they have been sending things to the wrong address and ask them if they have a "NOTIFY" list
20:57 katsmeow-afk the lettering on my street lable is 4" tall black on white block store-bought lettering
20:57 Tom_itx we have an airport as well as a local facility
20:57 Tom_itx i know kat
20:57 Tom_itx but we're dealing with a truck driver on a tight deadline
20:57 katsmeow-afk rue asked
20:57 Tom_itx oh
20:58 katsmeow-afk [20:45] <rue_more> and your address is labeled so well even a moron could see it from 500'?
20:58 rue_more they have it on record that it was not delivered
20:58 katsmeow-afk no, they have the driver saying it was delivered
20:58 rue_more but this is a bad time for it to happen, with 4th of july and all
20:58 Tom_itx yup
20:58 Tom_itx they are open monday though right?
20:58 rue_more no, when I called they have it ont he computer you said it wasn't
20:59 rue_more but cause of the long weekend they cant do anything till tuesday
20:59 katsmeow-afk ~34 gigabytes of ram and a Tektronix 5A14 in prime condition
20:59 rue_more at which time you can call 1-800-782-7892 and tear a strip off them, they will act as fast as they can
20:59 katsmeow-afk all for less than the 5A14 sells for on ebay
20:59 rue_more what would the store value of it all be?
20:59 rue_more $6500?
21:00 katsmeow-afk less, i said
21:00 katsmeow-afk dunno
21:00 rue_more ok, whats the "replacement value"
21:00 katsmeow-afk but for shipping purposes, the value is the paid-for amount
21:00 rue_more dosn't matter
21:00 katsmeow-afk matters
21:00 rue_more they screwed up the delivery, now its replacement cost
21:01 rue_more not ups, your neighbour
21:01 katsmeow-afk i want my package, and i do not want the neighbors to have it, especially as i am the one paying for it
21:01 rue_more I know
21:01 rue_more unless your neighbours bring it to you, we cant do anything about that
21:02 katsmeow-afk they won't
21:02 rue_more good, we can sue their asses off
21:02 katsmeow-afk for $600 to $1200 , suing is a crap shoot, i'd lose
21:02 rue_more if I can get you a few thousand, can you sue them for other stuff?
21:02 katsmeow-afk no
21:03 rue_more or sue the guy in florida!
21:03 katsmeow-afk right :-/
21:03 rue_more if I'm gonna loan you (I supoose its a give if you lose) the money, its gotta be a sincher case
21:04 katsmeow-afk this is alabama, HE has a DOG and a JOB, and is MARRIED , i'd LOOSE
21:04 katsmeow-afk has 12 yrs of dealing with them not learned yo anything?
21:04 rue_more pick a lawyer you think there are the best odds with
21:05 rue_more I'd pay him, make sure he understands the case, you "drive" the suit
21:05 katsmeow-afk fuck,, thi sis like being told there's no water in the creek as i a discussing the best pump to get the water
21:05 rue_more nono, the guy in florida then
21:05 rue_more whatever
21:05 rue_more you have a bunch of suits you should be able to win
21:05 rue_more Tom_itx, ?
21:06 rue_more katsmeow-afk, I dont want to piss you off
21:06 rue_more I know you have given up hope
21:06 Tom_itx what?
21:06 rue_more *but*
21:06 rue_more if there is 2/3 a chance I would like to help you get it
21:07 Tom_itx let's just drop it for now
21:07 rue_more Tom_itx, do you think kat can win sueing any of the people who are putting her 8' under?
21:07 Tom_itx i doubt it in the deep south
21:07 Tom_itx it's just that way
21:07 Tom_itx but i don't know for sure
21:07 Tom_itx it's a hunch
21:07 rue_more mainly cause I beleive that in a short while your gonna have to dissapear off the internet forever
21:08 rue_more hmm
21:08 Tom_itx let's just drop it for now
21:08 rue_more so, to win, I'd have to do down their, marry her, sue their asses off and get a divorce?
21:08 katsmeow-afk yep
21:08 Tom_itx that wouldn't work
21:09 e_more thinks about going on a vacca
21:09 Tom_itx the incident happened beforehand
21:09 rue_more I'd just be ballast to make kat win the court case tho
21:09 rue_more "she's married"
21:09 katsmeow-afk afk
21:10 rue_more gnight
21:15 rue_more katsmeow-afk, if it helps, they prolly didn't back it right and it got busted up anyhow
21:15 Tom_itx i gotta track down my pendant wiring