#avr Logs
May 28 2018
#avr Calendar
01:55 AM rue_mohr: -- ok , dead wood check for the channel, speak in the next 24 hours if you value ... whatever --
01:58 AM NooM_: morning
01:58 AM NooM_ is now known as DerNooM
01:58 AM rue_mohr: ok, you wont be kicked.
01:58 AM Haohmaru: que?
01:58 AM DerNooM: nice
01:58 AM rue_mohr: or you two
01:58 AM DerNooM: i drink coffee
01:58 AM Casper: I'm hungry
01:58 AM DerNooM: whats the time at ur place?
02:01 AM DerNooM: hm i still havent finished my 328pb design -.-
02:02 AM Haohmaru: rue_mohr wut's going on here?
02:03 AM DerNooM: id say not much
02:03 AM DerNooM: :D
02:06 AM rue_mohr: exactly, too much dead wood
02:06 AM rue_mohr: an irc channel has a life cycle
02:06 AM Haohmaru: what wood mane?
02:07 AM rue_mohr: and towards then end of it, the channel just fills up with LOTS of lurkers
02:07 AM DerNooM: rue_mohr isent irc always like that?
02:07 AM rue_mohr: you end up with 154 people and 4 taht ever say anything
02:07 AM rue_mohr: days with nothing said
02:07 AM DerNooM: :(
02:07 AM Haohmaru: rue_mohr oh, and you were thinking to start kicking people?
02:07 AM rue_mohr: BUT
02:08 AM rue_mohr: its seems that if you kick the dead wood, things come back to life
02:08 AM rue_mohr: its not known how long this works for
02:08 AM Haohmaru: GREAT PLAN, bruh
02:08 AM Haohmaru: untill you kick the wrong people
02:08 AM rue_mohr: robotics is in a later stage of life
02:08 AM DerNooM: define wrong people
02:09 AM Haohmaru: he obviously divides the people here in "useful ones" and .. you know, the others
02:09 AM DerNooM: iam not useful :(
02:09 AM rue_mohr: there is no point in kicking people who speak at all
02:10 AM rue_mohr: people who 100% lurk should just be kicke
02:10 AM rue_mohr: d
02:10 AM Haohmaru: no idea how rue_mohr's brain will evaluate you, DerNooM
02:10 AM DerNooM: haha
02:10 AM rue_mohr: you spoke, so thats fine
02:10 AM Haohmaru: okay, i got another question
02:11 AM rue_mohr: I'll give it about 24 hours and kick everyone who hasn't said anything
02:11 AM Haohmaru: should the C++ propaganda people be kicked too?
02:11 AM DerNooM: i didnt speak, i write
02:11 AM Haohmaru: we're just a few, so nobody would notice
02:11 AM rue_mohr: dosn't matter
02:11 AM rue_mohr: really dosn't
02:11 AM DerNooM: what about c# ?
02:11 AM rue_mohr: say anything, and live
02:11 AM DerNooM: :D
02:11 AM rue_mohr: say nothing, and die
02:12 AM Haohmaru: slowly and painfully?
02:12 AM rue_mohr: no, its pretty quick
02:12 AM -!- #avr mode set to +o by ChanServ
02:12 AM Haohmaru: oh teh noes
02:12 AM * Haohmaru hides
02:12 AM DerNooM: i agree with rue tho.. why be in irc when not chat.. its internet relay chat after all
02:12 AM -!- #avr mode set to -o by rue_mohr
02:12 AM rue_mohr: yea, if you dont say anything, there is no point in being here
02:13 AM Haohmaru: maybe some people say 1 thing once a month, or once a year
02:13 AM rue_mohr: I dont believe that people just leave their clients tuned into channels they never talk in
02:13 AM Haohmaru: and it helps someone
02:13 AM rue_mohr: sure
02:13 AM Thrashbarg: 'eh what's goin' on on this side?
02:13 AM rue_mohr: that said, there are a lot of 'new faces' here
02:13 AM DerNooM: mememe
02:14 AM rue_mohr: I like to see a core mix of old wood
02:14 AM Haohmaru: so if you want to be fair (hm..) you should interview each one of them
02:14 AM Haohmaru: like in the movies you know, like in CSI
02:14 AM Thrashbarg: CSI in no way reflects reality
02:14 AM Haohmaru: put them on a table, shine a lamp at their ugly face, and demand answers
02:15 AM DerNooM: my hobbies are: wasting time, drinking caffeine, growing peppers
02:15 AM DerNooM: and ill get me a dog soon
02:15 AM DerNooM: :D
02:15 AM Haohmaru: put them in jail if they don't cooperate
02:15 AM DerNooM: and avr ofc
02:17 AM Casper: DerNooM: 2:43am
02:17 AM DerNooM: whats am? put it in 24 hour clock plz
02:17 AM DerNooM: :(
02:19 AM DerNooM: after midnight ?
02:20 AM polprog: moroning
02:20 AM DerNooM: :(
02:20 AM polprog: after noon ;) (apres midi)
02:20 AM polprog: wait no
02:20 AM DerNooM: hi
02:20 AM polprog: before noon
02:20 AM polprog: yea. lol
02:22 AM Haohmaru: hey LISTEN EVERYBODY.. imma say something very important:
02:23 AM Haohmaru: "hi all"
02:23 AM Haohmaru: (you better answer or you'll soon get kicked)
02:23 AM DerNooM: hi
02:23 AM Haohmaru: looks like this channel will shrink to 5 ppl
02:24 AM DerNooM: its fine as long as i am here
02:24 AM DerNooM: iam a chatbot
02:24 AM DerNooM: i escaped google labs
02:24 AM Haohmaru: it's like the wild west, after the mad sheriff rue goes crazy
02:24 AM Haohmaru: leaves a trail of dead bodies
02:24 AM Haohmaru: and gun shells
02:32 AM polprog: hi Haohmaru
02:32 AM polprog: pls no kick
02:35 AM polprog: rue_mohr made a dalek with an axe
02:35 AM polprog: to EXTERMINATE dead wood
02:35 AM * polprog hides in a police box
02:35 AM Haohmaru: polprog i'm not the one wearing the iron boots
02:35 AM * Haohmaru points finger at rue_mohr
02:38 AM DerNooM: soooooo
02:38 AM Thrashbarg: hmm?
02:39 AM DerNooM: iam fully awake and have nothing todo
02:39 AM Thrashbarg: yup
02:39 AM Thrashbarg: I'm in desperate need of a new soldering iron and a solder sucker
02:39 AM Thrashbarg: a 74HC123 would be handy too :
02:39 AM Thrashbarg: :/
02:39 AM DerNooM: sweet
02:39 AM Thrashbarg: should grab a photo of my current iron
02:39 AM DerNooM: i only have a cheap soldering iron :( .... but i have a hotair station
02:40 AM Thrashbarg: it looks like an iron gate that's been left in a field for 200 years
02:40 AM Thrashbarg: yeah same here heh
02:40 AM DerNooM: hehe
02:40 AM DerNooM: i really love reflowing the tiny chips
02:40 AM Haohmaru: i use an iron that's less than 5euro
02:41 AM Haohmaru: 35 or 40W, i forgot
02:41 AM DerNooM: mhm
02:41 AM DerNooM: https://imgur.com/a/DTaiUgi
02:43 AM Thrashbarg: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tn72OV006zZxFf8i2
02:43 AM Thrashbarg: I've done SMD work with that iron :P
02:43 AM polprog: DerNooM: bare lcd. neat
02:43 AM DerNooM: that looks worse then mine
02:43 AM polprog: you know how to drive it?
02:43 AM DerNooM: ofc
02:43 AM DerNooM: i use 74hc595's
02:44 AM polprog: oh god Thrashbarg
02:44 AM Thrashbarg: :D
02:44 AM DerNooM: i like these lcd's cos they dont use much power
02:45 AM Thrashbarg: that round thing on top down the end of the iron before the tip is where the screw broke off
02:45 AM DerNooM: :D
02:45 AM Thrashbarg: heh a friend said to send it to EEVBlog
02:45 AM DerNooM: aoyue has some good and cheap irons
02:45 AM Thrashbarg: yea I've got a hot air station of theirs
02:46 AM DerNooM: me too
02:46 AM DerNooM: i like you allready a lot
02:46 AM DerNooM: :D
02:46 AM Thrashbarg: I'm just going to get a $25 iron from the local electronics shop tomorrow
02:46 AM polprog: http://polprog.net/papiery/pictures/desk1.png
02:46 AM polprog: i think i have a yihua
02:46 AM DerNooM: eevblog too <3 ... i build a version of his uCurrent with a 16 bit adc.. but i have a annoying 2uA offset i couldnt figure out where it came from
02:47 AM Thrashbarg: I can't stand eevblog but hey it'd be a laugh to send it to him
02:47 AM DerNooM: polprog sweet, i have a rigol too
02:47 AM DerNooM: mine has 4 chan tho
02:47 AM polprog: mine too
02:47 AM Thrashbarg: I think I've had that iron for ... 8 years? Used many hours per week at minimum
02:47 AM DerNooM: oh right
02:47 AM DerNooM: sry *blind*
02:48 AM polprog: http://puu.sh/Apznk/1dacac0415.jpg
02:48 AM polprog: recently got this
02:48 AM polprog: its all calibrated now tho
02:48 AM DerNooM: sweet
02:48 AM Thrashbarg: nice
02:49 AM * Thrashbarg could use a dual channel scope
02:49 AM Thrashbarg: or at least one with god damn transistors D:
02:49 AM DerNooM: tbh i rarley used mine
02:49 AM Thrashbarg: bah!
02:50 AM polprog: Thrashbarg: no transistors?
02:50 AM polprog: how old is it
02:50 AM Thrashbarg: two of them... early 60's both of them
02:51 AM DerNooM: mhm
02:51 AM polprog: neat
02:51 AM Thrashbarg: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tz2QZQYk07HHtOe02
02:51 AM Thrashbarg: boat anchors
02:52 AM DerNooM: doesent open
02:52 AM polprog: wow
02:52 AM DerNooM: :(
02:52 AM Thrashbarg: hrm I wonder why
02:52 AM DerNooM: it worked in firefox
02:53 AM Thrashbarg: also lol 130W for an oscilloscope
02:53 AM Thrashbarg: :/
02:53 AM DerNooM: fancy
02:54 AM polprog: lol
02:54 AM polprog: i think that dell on my last pic takes 200
02:54 AM Thrashbarg: yea :P
02:57 AM DerNooM: finally some ppl with electronic stuff.. all my neighbours are old people
02:57 AM DerNooM: :D
02:57 AM Thrashbarg: heh
02:58 AM polprog: maybe they have some cool old tech
02:58 AM DerNooM: no we only trashtalk other neighbours
02:58 AM DerNooM: ...
02:58 AM DerNooM: i feel like an old woman allready
02:59 AM polprog: damn im bored
02:59 AM polprog: in maths currently
02:59 AM DerNooM: iam so bad at maths
02:59 AM DerNooM: :(
03:00 AM DerNooM: u go to school ?
03:00 AM polprog: i kinda have to
03:00 AM DerNooM: get smart kid
03:00 AM DerNooM: :D
03:01 AM Thrashbarg: polprog: I'm terrible at maths too. I still count on my fingers, but I taught myself to do it in binary to speed it up :P
03:01 AM DerNooM: :D
03:01 AM polprog: neat, i sometimes do that
03:01 AM polprog: when counting up
03:02 AM polprog: sucks to run out at 10
03:02 AM polprog: so i run out at 1024 insteaf
03:02 AM polprog: ead*
03:02 AM Thrashbarg: it was handy when I had to unlock a UEFI laptop which asked "enter the nth letter of the password" a few times
03:02 AM Thrashbarg: hehe
03:02 AM polprog: que
03:03 AM DerNooM: 1,2, many
03:03 AM Thrashbarg: made it quick to figure out the nth letter of the password, just say the password while counting up, stop at the right combination
03:03 AM polprog: 1,10,11, overflow up
03:03 AM DerNooM: :D
03:03 AM Thrashbarg: there are 10 kinds of people
03:04 AM polprog: DerNooM is 2 bits
03:04 AM DerNooM: i eat bits.. of chocolate
03:04 AM Thrashbarg: I should make a parody channel to the 8-bit Guy called the 2-bit Guy
03:04 AM polprog: i eat 3bitb
03:05 AM polprog: the 1 bit guy
03:05 AM polprog: make all your videos in dithered b&w
03:05 AM Thrashbarg: lol
03:05 AM Thrashbarg: I think you missed my point xD
03:05 AM polprog: no, imade a different joke
03:05 AM Thrashbarg: yes
03:06 AM Thrashbarg: needs more balanced ternary
03:06 AM polprog: ttyl
03:07 AM Thrashbarg: just a shame our Arabic mathematical ancestors didn't quite get negative numbers when coming up with the decimal system or we might be using balanced ternary or something
03:07 AM Thrashbarg: k
03:09 AM Thrashbarg: in as much as having a writing system from left to right and a numerical system from right to left, if they weren't opposite we wouldn't have a huge endianness problem :/
03:10 AM DerNooM: :(
03:13 AM DerNooM: https://imgur.com/a/R8x6El9
03:15 AM DerNooM: 328pb minimal :D
03:17 AM Thrashbarg: nice
03:17 AM DerNooM: well, iam sure a 10 year old could do that :D:D:D:D
03:18 AM Emil: Thrashbarg: endianess is an encoding issue
03:18 AM Emil: it is not related to history but digital circuit design
03:19 AM Haohmaru: congratulations Emil, you won't be kicked
03:19 AM Emil: Haohmaru: as if you'd have the power ;)
03:20 AM Haohmaru: no, not me
03:20 AM Haohmaru: i am a mere mortal here
03:20 AM Emil: oh what the fuck
03:20 AM Emil: fuck rue
03:20 AM Haohmaru: the rules have been carved in stone
03:21 AM Haohmaru: well, you shouldn't have said that
03:21 AM * Haohmaru hides under a rock
03:28 AM Emil: Consider joining #avrs
03:29 AM Haohmaru: who, me?
03:32 AM DerNooM: i wonder why they make the pinouts of the uC's so bad
03:32 AM DerNooM: like why is a SS ping between avcc and aref
03:32 AM DerNooM: pin*
03:34 AM DerNooM: or scl1 .. gnd, vcc, sda1
03:35 AM Haohmaru: i guess it doesn't matter much if your PCB is 4 layers
03:35 AM DerNooM: hm.
04:03 AM polprog: Emil: its good to purge a chan like that every now and then
04:04 AM Haohmaru: ^ here's the right hand of the dark dictator
04:04 AM * polprog is now known as polprog_shop
04:05 AM polprog: meanwhile in #tfts its just me and the owner talking
04:05 AM Haohmaru: dafuq is that?
04:06 AM polprog: there was silence for a good month and last time we talked was last week
04:06 AM polprog: thats the channel advertised on /r/talesfromtechsupport
04:11 AM Emil: polprog: 100% bullshit
04:11 AM Emil: polprog: consider joining #avrs
04:11 AM polprog: avr programming considered harnful
04:11 AM polprog: :-P
04:17 AM DerNooM: beep
04:18 AM DerNooM: whats the best way to halve the voltage? (for a voltmeter) ... just resistors to an opamp ?
04:19 AM Emil: DerNooM: consider joining #avrs
04:19 AM DerNooM: why?
04:20 AM polprog: Emil just never had oper here and hes sad
04:20 AM * polprog runs away
04:20 AM Haohmaru: Emil wants to pull the strings
04:20 AM DerNooM: i see
04:21 AM polprog: he will make his own channel with blackjack and hookers
04:21 AM polprog: :^)
04:21 AM DerNooM: sweet
04:29 AM Thrashbarg: heh
04:29 AM Haohmaru: latest news: Emil is a pimp
04:30 AM Haohmaru: and he wants to do business in the theritories of the other big pimp, rue
04:31 AM Haohmaru: clash of the pimps, who gon win?
04:31 AM DerNooM: i like strong leaders who tell me what todo and what to think
04:31 AM DerNooM: :D
04:34 AM Haohmaru: then it doesn't matter who wins, they'll both tell you to use C and never touch C++
04:34 AM Emil: Haohmaru: consider joining #avrs
04:35 AM Haohmaru: why, boss?
04:35 AM Haohmaru: what if rue_mohr sends a hitman to visit me there?
04:40 AM DerNooM: run
04:41 AM Haohmaru: i don't wanna live in fear
04:41 AM DerNooM: i thought thats what life is about
04:42 AM Haohmaru: :~(
04:43 AM DerNooM: like.. what if u dont fear getting run over by a car?
04:44 AM Haohmaru: i can sorta avoid that
04:44 AM Haohmaru: i can't avoid the long reach of the mafia's deadly hand
04:44 AM DerNooM: :D:D:D
04:45 AM Haohmaru: they gon find me :~(
04:45 AM DerNooM: u need to watch sons of anarchy... biker gange are more dangerous
04:45 AM DerNooM: gangs*
04:45 AM Haohmaru: i don't like bikers
04:45 AM Haohmaru: that's too american
04:46 AM DerNooM: :D
04:46 AM DerNooM: they trade guns and drugs and shoot random ppl
04:47 AM DerNooM: :D
04:47 AM Haohmaru: sounds like they don't know wtf they're doing
04:47 AM DerNooM: haha
04:47 AM Haohmaru: rue is more aware of himself than that
04:48 AM DerNooM: polprog hi
04:48 AM Haohmaru: i've heard that "shop4" is the place where they cut fingers off
04:48 AM DerNooM: :(
04:48 AM polprog: hi DerNooM
04:48 AM DerNooM: haha it worked
04:48 AM polprog: :p
04:49 AM DerNooM: what u doing ?
04:50 AM polprog: having a lesson rn
04:50 AM polprog: ;)
04:52 AM Haohmaru: 2+2=4; lesson is over
04:53 AM DerNooM: 2+2 = many
04:57 AM eimiar: well, after trying and trying to program my atm32, my tumpa lite broke :D
04:57 AM DerNooM: :(
04:57 AM eimiar: most probable reason is that it was made of a counterfeit chinese ftdi chip
04:58 AM DerNooM: whats a tumpa lite?
04:58 AM DerNooM: programmer?
04:58 AM nuxil: haha
04:58 AM eimiar: DerNooM, it's a breakout board for a ftdi FT232H
04:58 AM DerNooM: ah
04:58 AM DerNooM: wee i made my own
04:59 AM * polprog is just using cp2102
04:59 AM nuxil: eimiar, yea the maker of the ftdi driver did a while back brick counterfits by purpose though windos update.
04:59 AM eimiar: DerNooM, huh? interesting, tell me more!
04:59 AM polprog: although if i found a real ft232h id take it
04:59 AM Haohmaru: you can check the PID
04:59 AM Haohmaru: if it's 0, then the driver has messed it up
05:00 AM Haohmaru: there's a workaround for that
05:00 AM nuxil: eimiar, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU66as4Bbds rant by dave jones :D
05:00 AM eimiar: PID is 0x8a99
05:00 AM eimiar: well, was 0x8a99
05:00 AM eimiar: now i don't know anymore
05:00 AM Haohmaru: hm?
05:02 AM DerNooM: https://imgur.com/a/jV1i6ht and a nrf24l01+
05:02 AM DerNooM: :D
05:02 AM DerNooM: the range is one meter.. i guess i screwed it up
05:02 AM eimiar: DerNooM, what chip is that?
05:03 AM eimiar: 2232h?
05:03 AM DerNooM: the one with usb? ftdi
05:03 AM DerNooM: gimme a sec ill look
05:04 AM nuxil: dont buy stuff using ftdi chip, dont support them affter what they did :p
05:04 AM Thrashbarg: agreed
05:04 AM eimiar: nuxil, i don't know alternatives to ftdi
05:04 AM nuxil: google that word. alternative to ftdi :p
05:04 AM DerNooM: ft230xq
05:06 AM nuxil: how about MCP2221
05:06 AM nuxil: https://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/MCP2221
05:06 AM Haohmaru: microsh*t
05:06 AM eimiar: ftdi had that nice multi-protocol support
05:06 AM Haohmaru: that one appears as a composite device thing
05:06 AM Haohmaru: iirc
05:07 AM DerNooM: Status: Not Recommended for new designs
05:09 AM nuxil: CP2102 then
05:09 AM nuxil: got native linux support
05:10 AM Haohmaru: ftdi works fine on leeenooks
05:10 AM Haohmaru: no bricking drivers
05:11 AM DerNooM: what a long video.. what did ftdi do? (in short)
05:12 AM Thrashbarg: ran driver updates through Microsoft which bricked counterfeit chips
05:12 AM DerNooM: seems legit
05:12 AM DerNooM: to me
05:12 AM Thrashbarg: they tried the same on the Linux community but got "fuck off" as a response
05:12 AM Haohmaru: oh, they tried to do it on linux too? how?
05:13 AM Thrashbarg: code submission, trying to obfuscate what their intentions were
05:13 AM Haohmaru: the driver would be part of.. the kernel?
05:13 AM Thrashbarg: yea a module
05:13 AM Haohmaru: stallman got triggered? ;P~
05:13 AM DerNooM: if it just bricked counterfeit chips... id not get mad over that
05:14 AM DerNooM: it didnt brick mine
05:14 AM Haohmaru: i heard it's "detection" method was losuy and it has bricked some legit chips too
05:14 AM Haohmaru: but don't quote me on that
05:14 AM Haohmaru: * its
05:16 AM polprog: lol
05:17 AM Haohmaru: FTDI basically say "buy our chips either directly from us, or from one of the distributors we've listed here"
05:17 AM Haohmaru: and iirc i read somewhere that their driver has bricked chips from one of those places (probably from a distributor)
05:17 AM DerNooM: dave's rant video makes me more angry than ftdi bricking devices
05:17 AM DerNooM: :D:D:D
05:19 AM DerNooM: but to be fair iam sure id be mad if anything from me was bricked
05:33 AM Thrashbarg: the old threads on Hackaday about the old FTDI saga are /epic/
05:34 AM DerNooM: :D
05:34 AM DerNooM: hey maybe anyone knows... there was a site where private ppl can sell small gadgets.. electronic stuff
05:34 AM DerNooM: like the 328pb iam making
05:57 AM Haohmaru: DerNooM teh dark web
05:58 AM Haohmaru: put on your hoodie
05:58 AM DerNooM: haha
06:17 AM DerNooM: sweet, the parts for my design is only 3€ .. with a 16mhz mems oscillator
06:19 AM eim is now known as eimiar
06:22 AM cehteh: schematic/pic online? and do you include a LC filter for AVCC?
06:23 AM DerNooM: i can make one. no i didnt include lc filter, i tend to use external adc's
06:23 AM cehteh: whats the point of having an cheap µC board when you have to add expensive external components?
06:24 AM Haohmaru: he could be rich, man
06:24 AM eimiar: cehteh utf-8 ize your client
06:25 AM DerNooM: https://imgur.com/a/QYnm4Hf
06:28 AM nuxil: unicode ftw, uft-8 is just a encoding that has lot of issues.
06:29 AM cehteh: µtf8 test?
06:29 AM cehteh: weird i had utf8, maybe it got dropped on some reconnect
06:29 AM nuxil: problem with uft-8 is after the 7th bit.
06:30 AM nuxil: i mena. how i encode æøå . it not guaranteed that you will show them as same.
06:30 AM nuxil: and more signs
06:31 AM cehteh: utf8 is well defined and backwards compatible
06:31 AM eimiar: unicode ftw
06:31 AM nuxil: unicode solvs that problem. but its problem again is size.
06:31 AM Haohmaru: we can understand each other better with less symbols
06:32 AM DerNooM: agreed
06:32 AM Haohmaru: all your emojis mean nothing to me
06:32 AM DerNooM: :D
06:36 AM polprog: pchnij w tę łódź jeża lub ośm skrzyń fig
06:37 AM DerNooM: :(
06:38 AM DerNooM: looks like cz or something
06:39 AM Haohmaru: polprog.exe crashed, corrupted stack, access violation
06:39 AM polprog: thats the polish equivalent of the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
06:41 AM DerNooM: here they say polish ppl steal ur car :(:(
06:42 AM Haohmaru: polprog said he has no idea who's red porsche that is in front of his house
06:42 AM DerNooM: haha
06:43 AM polprog: :p
06:43 AM DerNooM: (iam not racists and i dont agree)
06:44 AM Haohmaru: they say worse things about my people ;P~
06:44 AM DerNooM: where r u from ?
06:44 AM DerNooM: iam from austria
06:44 AM Haohmaru: bg
06:44 AM DerNooM: bg?
06:44 AM Haohmaru: yeah, the bottom of teh EU
06:45 AM DerNooM: italy?
06:45 AM Haohmaru: hahaha
06:45 AM Haohmaru: bulgaria
06:45 AM DerNooM: ah
06:45 AM DerNooM: well, iam bad at geographics
06:45 AM DerNooM: :D
06:46 AM Haohmaru: italy has neither b nor g ;P~
06:46 AM DerNooM: i actually never heared anyone talking about bulgaria -.-
06:46 AM Haohmaru: gitably
06:46 AM polprog: heh. my mom used to visit bulgaria during summer holidays when she was my age
06:46 AM DerNooM: like i didnt even knew its eu
06:48 AM Haohmaru: you don't wanna know what's on the bottom of teh toilet bowl
06:48 AM Haohmaru: ;P~
06:48 AM DerNooM: cant be that bad or ppl would talk about it more
06:48 AM DerNooM: in austria everyone complains about bad stuff
06:48 AM Haohmaru: statistics are doing the talking
06:49 AM Haohmaru: we have one thing better than many countries tho
06:49 AM Haohmaru: and that's teh internetz
06:49 AM Haohmaru: x_x
06:49 AM polprog: noice
06:49 AM DerNooM: isent hard to beat austrias
06:50 AM DerNooM: for ages i didnt even have 6 mbit
06:50 AM Haohmaru: cuz ISPs were left unregulated for years, and concurency between them did the rest
06:50 AM DerNooM: finally i have 20 mbit.. over the cellphone network.. wich is only 20 when it doesent rain or snow
06:52 AM Haohmaru: i was mainly talking about internetz to teh home, not wifi and mobile crap, i don't use that and no idea whether ours is any "good"
06:52 AM DerNooM: i dont live in a city.. ill never get fibre
06:52 AM DerNooM: and over the phone network.. i dont reach more than 5 mbit
06:52 AM DerNooM: (like wire phone)
06:52 AM DerNooM: dsl
06:53 AM Haohmaru: but peoplez tend to have fiber, ethernet, or satelite
06:53 AM Haohmaru: i gots fibur
06:53 AM DerNooM: sweet
06:53 AM DerNooM: now i hate u
06:53 AM DerNooM: :P
06:54 AM Haohmaru: and i almost don't use it ;P~
06:54 AM Haohmaru: i wish it could glow, would be nice.. a blinking wire thru the house
06:54 AM DerNooM: lol
06:55 AM DerNooM: go build an avr webserver
06:58 AM DerNooM: i once tried to... but gave up.. i used enc28j60 (built myself) .. i got ping/ping responce, the time thingy and udp running
06:58 AM DerNooM: but than stuff started to get serious
07:02 AM DerNooM: one day ill try it again
07:02 AM DerNooM: and get irc running
07:14 AM DerNooM: no one cares :( - i only make useless stuff
07:14 AM DerNooM: :D:D:D
07:15 AM eimiar: wait, i care
07:15 AM eimiar: i just wasn't here
07:15 AM DerNooM: hehehehe
07:15 AM DerNooM: what u think about an avr webserver?
07:16 AM eimiar: not much to think about
07:16 AM eimiar: i'm a beginner, i still have no idea how to interface peripherals
07:17 AM DerNooM: oh
07:17 AM eimiar: for a webserver you'd need an interface that provides wifi or ethernet i think
07:17 AM DerNooM: when i have some new part i always look at the datasheet for it, like most of the time theres a desciption how to interface it
07:18 AM DerNooM: yeah ethernet i did.. with enc28j60 ... i could get udp running.. but tcp is harder
07:18 AM eimiar: don't reinvent the wheel, just implement a tcp library ready to use
07:19 AM DerNooM: thats boring
07:19 AM eimiar: take a look at LwIP
07:19 AM DerNooM: i did
07:20 AM eimiar: DerNooM, that's a starting point, you can implement your own tcp library after you made something that works :D
07:20 AM DerNooM: too complicated for me to understand iirc.. so i used wireshard and the docs from internet to construct my own packets
07:20 AM DerNooM: wireshark
07:21 AM eimiar: docs from internet?
07:21 AM eimiar: rfc?
07:21 AM DerNooM: yes
07:23 AM DerNooM: i mean, i also could use a chip wich has all the stuff implemented allready
07:23 AM DerNooM: wiznet
07:26 AM eimiar: webserver needs to host files, where would you store these files?
07:26 AM DerNooM: on flash
07:26 AM eimiar: external flash?
07:26 AM DerNooM: i also had external sram to store packets and work with them
07:26 AM DerNooM: ya
07:26 AM DerNooM: i have a tiny chip wich has like 16megabytes
07:27 AM eimiar: well i guess you're all set
07:27 AM eimiar: =)
07:27 AM polprog: iirc there was a minecraft server running on an avr
07:27 AM DerNooM: wow
07:27 AM DerNooM: thats commitment
07:27 AM polprog: sec, lemme find it
07:28 AM eimiar: on linux i bet
07:28 AM DerNooM: eimiar iam no pro tho.. ill just bruteforce my way through :D lucky an avr can be flashed 10k times :D:D:D
07:29 AM polprog: https://hackaday.com/2012/11/16/avr-minecraft-server-lets-you-toggle-pins-from-the-virtual-world/
07:30 AM DerNooM: i like this guy
07:30 AM eimiar: i find more amazing the pcb on glass
07:31 AM polprog: http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/transparent.html
07:32 AM polprog: this is nice
07:38 AM DerNooM: i gotta look more at the chip this guy is using
08:45 AM toddprat1 is now known as toddpratt
09:23 AM polprog: hmm cd4066 is shit when it comes to switching with slow rising edges (understandable its a digital switch), but if i fed it a pulse waveform maybe it could make a nice decimator
09:24 AM polprog: just a 555 away
09:24 AM rue_mohr: polprog, its like a 10 ohm switch
09:24 AM * polprog never managed to design a 555 blinker, always followed a schem. maybe today it will be the day
09:25 AM polprog: rue_mohr: i know
09:25 AM polprog: case is, it wasnt fitting my last design
09:25 AM * theBear never got the big attraction to 555's... But now he can build almost anything with an opamp or 2 :-)
09:25 AM polprog: but this one will be driven in a suitable way and should work
09:26 AM polprog: i mean. i wont use a 555 while prototyping, ill take scopes reference generator
09:26 AM DerNooM: theBear build me a car with an opamp
09:26 AM polprog: :p
09:26 AM DerNooM: or 2
09:26 AM Haohmaru: |>o---o|>
09:26 AM Haohmaru: there ya go, car
09:26 AM DerNooM: :D
09:26 AM DerNooM: thats a rocket
09:26 AM theBear: awww, i broad unqualified statement up-ed
09:27 AM DerNooM: :D:D:D:D
09:27 AM polprog: you wouldnt build a car. building pirated cars is stealing
09:27 AM polprog: *cue techno music plays*
09:34 AM rue_mohr: with a 555 you can make a 3 component oscillaotr (1 cap, 1 resistor, 1 555)
09:34 AM rue_mohr: with an 8 pin dual op-amp you can make two oscillators in 5 components
09:35 AM rue_mohr: with a tiny13 you can make 5 oscillators with 1 component
09:35 AM DerNooM: :D
09:35 AM rue_mohr: but the 555 can drive a 600mA load
09:35 AM DerNooM: its weird microchip bought atmel
09:35 AM rue_mohr: and the tiny13 can do whatever you want internally with the oscillators
09:35 AM Haohmaru: i think that clearly means you should throw your opamps and timers now, bois
09:36 AM rue_mohr: the 555 can drive 600mA loads
09:36 AM DerNooM: i once had a friend who stuied electronics stuff, he always told me to go to pic's... i went avr's and he never talked to me again
09:36 AM rue_mohr: DerNooM, avrs are better
09:36 AM DerNooM: i agree
09:37 AM Haohmaru: he was not your friend
09:37 AM rue_mohr: I'm prolly gonna stop using avrs as microchip screws up the line
09:37 AM rue_mohr: if he wasn't programming in assembler, he was paying too much
09:37 AM Haohmaru: rue_bed what did they screw besides the datasheets?
09:37 AM rue_mohr: 16F877 vs 16F877A
09:38 AM Haohmaru: ugh
09:38 AM rue_mohr: W.T.F. -> last straw
09:38 AM Haohmaru: these numbers smell like pics
09:38 AM rue_mohr: A was completely incompatible
09:38 AM polprog: lol
09:38 AM Haohmaru: you said you were gonna stop using avrs
09:38 AM * Haohmaru scratches head
09:38 AM rue_mohr: they wanted me to buy a $1000 programmer to deal with the 16F877A
09:38 AM rue_mohr: instead of the free one I made
09:38 AM rue_mohr: oh
09:39 AM DerNooM: lol
09:39 AM rue_mohr: yea, casue of microchip tho
09:39 AM rue_mohr: so I'm slowly going to stm32
09:39 AM DerNooM: meh, no nice atmel studio
09:39 AM Haohmaru: then y u care bout this channel?
09:39 AM rue_mohr: not becasue its faster or cheaper, but because its not microchip
09:39 AM DerNooM: i have the stm32f4 dev board
09:40 AM rue_mohr: there is still a lot of good avr stuff
09:40 AM rue_mohr: will be for a long time
09:40 AM rue_mohr: for the m328p anyhow
09:40 AM Haohmaru: i'm happy with xmegas, keeping my precious atmel datasheets for them
09:41 AM rue_mohr: yea, arms are going to take over the world tho
09:41 AM * Haohmaru yawns
09:41 AM rue_mohr: I'm pretty sure in ~10 years motherboards (for the few who still use them) will be ARM arrays instead of x86
09:42 AM rue_mohr: all they do at schools now are tablets
09:42 AM rue_mohr: and x86 speeds stopped getting faster
09:42 AM Haohmaru: i ain't gonna buy them lousy tablets
09:43 AM Haohmaru: i want a ryzen
09:44 AM rue_mohr: ?
09:44 AM Haohmaru: and you play with yer tablets
09:44 AM rue_mohr: I'm not into tablets, I need crunch power
09:46 AM DerNooM: hm weird, on the microchip page it says the 1284p has 2 spi... but theres no datashet.. on mouser.com is datasheet it says one spi
09:47 AM rue_mohr: I'm just saying that anyone in highschool / elementary school dosn't know what a pc is
09:47 AM DerNooM: oh, 3 spi it says on the page
09:47 AM rue_mohr: iirc the 324 is neat
09:48 AM rue_mohr: but the m328p is $2.50ea
09:48 AM rue_mohr: the stm32F103 is $2
09:48 AM rue_mohr: 16Mhz vs 72Mhz
09:50 AM rue_mohr: oh, and its mounted on a board for that
09:50 AM rue_mohr: or I can buy mega32 for $8 ea, chip only
09:52 AM Haohmaru: https://www.mouser.bg/ProductDetail/Microchip-Technology-Atmel/ATXMEGA32A4U-AU
09:52 AM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-Forarduino/32342717171.html
09:52 AM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Pro-Mini-Module-Atmega168-Atmega168P-16M-16mhz-5V-For-Arduino-Nano-Microcontrol-Micro-Control-Board-Replace/32671722917.html
09:52 AM rue_mohr: (vs)
09:53 AM rue_mohr: how much does mouser want for a xmega32A4?
09:54 AM Haohmaru: dafuq, i can't find a way to get a direct url to the product page
09:54 AM Haohmaru: wtf, mouser?
09:54 AM rue_mohr: yea
09:54 AM DerNooM: around 3€
09:54 AM rue_mohr: how much is that?
09:54 AM DerNooM: not much
09:54 AM rue_mohr: I dont even know what country that is...
09:54 AM DerNooM: 3 cheeseburgers at mc donalds
09:55 AM rue_mohr: way too much
09:55 AM DerNooM: what money u have?
09:55 AM DerNooM: $ ?
09:55 AM rue_mohr: for 2 cheeseburgers you get the stm32
09:55 AM rue_mohr: CAD
09:56 AM rue_mohr: like USD, but worth less
09:56 AM DerNooM: € and $ is around the same
09:56 AM theBear: i don't have 2 cheeseburgers !
09:56 AM rue_mohr: not becasue its actually worth less, but because our govt keeps us at less
09:56 AM Haohmaru: rue_mohr $3.5 for x1
09:57 AM rue_mohr: yea, for the stm32 on a board its $2.13
09:57 AM rue_mohr: free shipping
09:57 AM Haohmaru: why are you comparing this to that?
09:57 AM DerNooM: stm no nice ide
09:57 AM rue_mohr: stm32 is standard arm arch
09:57 AM Haohmaru: atmega32 vs xmega32
09:57 AM rue_mohr: i dont need a freaking ide
09:58 AM rue_mohr: I code in a C editor
09:58 AM rue_mohr: I compile with a makefile
09:58 AM DerNooM: good for you :P
09:58 AM rue_mohr: make; make install
09:58 AM DerNooM: i want a nice ide
09:59 AM Haohmaru: i've found mine
09:59 AM rue_mohr: nedit for the win!
09:59 AM Haohmaru: rue_mohr 5 usarts, adc, 4k ram, 44pins
10:00 AM Haohmaru: "usb"
10:00 AM Haohmaru: dedicated boot sector
10:00 AM Haohmaru: plus all the nifty peripherals
10:02 AM rue_mohr: 6 serial systems, 12 bit adc, 6kram -> stm32
10:02 AM rue_mohr: 6 timers...
10:02 AM rue_mohr: dma...
10:02 AM Haohmaru: "6 serial systems" ? dafuq is that?
10:03 AM Haohmaru: the xmega also has dma
10:03 AM DerNooM: it means u can configure them to be waht u need
10:03 AM DerNooM: spi, uart, i2c
10:03 AM Haohmaru: can it be 6 usarts?
10:03 AM DerNooM: yes
10:03 AM Haohmaru: which chip is that?
10:03 AM rue_mohr: usb and CAN
10:03 AM rue_mohr: work, bye!
10:03 AM DerNooM: standard arm
10:03 AM nohitwork: <DerNooM>stm no nice ide
10:03 AM DerNooM: atmel has them too... like samd21
10:03 AM Haohmaru: cuz i needed 5 USARTs on an stm32 and i had a very hard time to find a cheap one with such specs
10:03 AM nohitwork: truestudio
10:04 AM Haohmaru: ah, he ran away, how convenient
10:04 AM theBear: almost TOO convenient
10:04 AM Haohmaru: iirc there were cheap stm32s with up to 4 "UARTs"
10:08 AM nohitwork: stm32f030 5 usarts, price 1$ for 10k units
10:08 AM nohitwork: there you go
10:08 AM thardin: is there some way to find out what caused a wdt reset? say what the PC was?
10:08 AM thardin: on atmega128
10:08 AM thardin: checked the datasheet but came up empty
10:09 AM Haohmaru: nohitwork i can almost bet some of them are actually UARTs
10:09 AM Haohmaru: am i right?
10:09 AM nohitwork: no, usarts
10:09 AM theBear: watchdog timeout is more a side-effect of something stalling... it only knows that things DID stop, not why...
10:10 AM thardin: yes
10:10 AM thardin: I was thinking maybe it pushed PC on the stack or something
10:11 AM theBear: thardin, i suppose depending on how your program works, you could insert some debug kinda "heartbeat"s in various areas and watch them to workout what started/happened last before the reset, or kinda same thing, could have a bunch of "where things are up to" codes output at various stages of execution, and turn off the watchdog reset, then you just gotta see what the code is when things stop (same thing really i spose, i was just thinking practically
10:11 AM theBear: involving little test/debug tools i've made for myself
10:12 AM nohitwork: https://www.mouser.fi/datasheet/2/389/stm32f030f4-956260.pdf
10:13 AM theBear: thardin, not sure at a low level how avr watchdog system works, but speaking conceptually/generally, a watchdog timer and reset are independant of any cpu/program related things, thus their ability to respond when the whole cpu/program is somehow stopped/broken
10:13 AM thardin: myeah
10:15 AM theBear: thardin, maybe working the concept of my first suggestion, you could regularly save a value or function-name or something in ram or one of the faster proms you got on hand, then have the program read that at its very beginning
10:16 AM theBear: i assume an avr doesn't auto-zero any ram "automatically" at start/reset time, but i bet any modern compiler does, meaning yer'd have to probly poke around asm output manually to grab from ram before it was wiped, assuming you not manually asm'ing already
10:17 AM thardin: I mean, in that case I can just sprinkle wdt_reset() in the code :)
10:17 AM thardin: I think what was happening in this case was printf() + usart taking a bit too long time in some cases
10:18 AM theBear: thardin, ahh, mmm, likely any eeprom would be much slower than that, so i suppose adding artificial delays or maybe using something ram and reading after reset is the only options
10:19 AM thardin: would've been a nice cpu feature to have
10:19 AM thardin: pushing pc on stack that is
10:21 AM theBear: i wonder, maybe gcc/other-common-compilers DON'T auto-initialise variables in ram ? in that case you could just write to a variable for your counter/debug-output and read the variable in the program somewhere, making sure not to initialise the variable (chances are the variable is statically located in ram between boots/runs too if my memory of how gcc does stuff is right, pretty sure it makes sense for such small devices regardless of what compiler you
10:21 AM theBear: are))
10:22 AM thardin: a timer interrupt that runs faster than the wdt could be useful
10:22 AM thardin: or, it would be unless interrupts are disabled as in this case :]
10:22 AM Haohmaru: you need a place in RAM which doesn't get cleared?
10:24 AM theBear: thardin, oooh, can you not set a relatively (to uart/printf) long wdt ?
10:25 AM theBear: that should make sure any code debug marker(s) have gotten to you, oh, err, i suppose that only works if the usart at least is independant of the stalled cpu
10:26 AM theBear: what does the code actually do ? (can be rhetorical or not) maybe you can workout what messes up by how the function is affected/stopped
10:26 AM thardin: I think it was just all the int64 -> float + printf formatting that did it
10:26 AM thardin: as for what it does, it's basically a software tayloe demodulator
10:26 AM thardin: square quadrature demodulator
10:27 AM theBear: heh, that's pretty heavy math for a avr <grin>
10:27 AM thardin: nah, it's just addition
10:27 AM thardin: I'm moving to 16-bit samples soon instead of 24, that means I can downgrade to 32-bit accumulators
10:27 AM Haohmaru: i'm abusing my atmega2561 with 64bit multiplication and division
10:28 AM thardin: I *might* be able to demodulate while reading samples
10:28 AM Haohmaru: besides all other things ;P~
10:28 AM DerNooM: i hope its nothing sexual
10:29 AM Haohmaru: the sexual part happens between the atmega, 3 SIPOs and 40 LEDs
10:29 AM Haohmaru: (pwm)
10:29 AM DerNooM: :D
10:29 AM thardin: I have four 14.4 kHz channels which get put into a set of 4x4 64-bit accumulators
10:31 AM thardin: gotta go
10:32 AM Haohmaru: you all ran off one by one
10:32 AM * Haohmaru gon do it too then
10:33 AM Emil: Consider joining #avrs
10:34 AM Haohmaru: Emil misunderstood what i meant
11:49 AM DerNooM: does avr's need a pullup on the reset pin ?
11:50 AM Smashcat: Hi, anyone know of a programmer I can use to program an AVT via ISP from a hex image on SDCard? So, just connect to ISP header, press button and it automatically sets fuses then writes the hex file to flash?
11:50 AM Smashcat: Looking for something stand-alone, preferably hand-held so I can program a bunch of boards quickly
11:58 AM Emil: Smashcat: consider joining #avrs
11:59 AM Smashcat: Ah ok thanks
12:00 PM Smashcat: Think I've found something I can use as the basis of a dedicated device: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=11638
12:15 PM nuxil: Emil, why you create new channel?
12:15 PM nuxil: now there is #avr ##avr and #avrs . :\
12:16 PM Emil: nuxil: consideri joining #avrs
12:17 PM polprog: wait theres ##avr
12:18 PM nuxil: well its owned by Tom_L
12:19 PM polprog: and this one is ...?
01:06 PM Tom_L: ## is a spare
01:07 PM Tom_L: freenode wanted us to go from # to ## but never has enforced it
01:08 PM polprog: isnt it that ## is unregistered and # is registered? i remember my chan grew a second hash when i did something with chanserv or so
01:09 PM polprog: dont take my word for it tho
02:25 PM polprog: https://puu.sh/AuEgC/4c5e013f4a.jpg
02:25 PM polprog: should i leave this installment and start hacking a decimator together or not
02:25 PM DerNooM: id stay
02:27 PM polprog: too late
02:28 PM DerNooM: i like the green stuff around
02:28 PM polprog: neighbour is mowing the lawn
02:28 PM polprog: its fucking 20:55
02:28 PM DerNooM: lol
02:28 PM DerNooM: u germany?
02:28 PM polprog: nah, poland
02:28 PM polprog: he is though
02:29 PM DerNooM: right, i think u told me allready today
02:29 PM DerNooM: iam old, bad memory
02:29 PM DerNooM: :D
02:32 PM Emil: Consider joining #avrs
02:33 PM polprog: so. whatever square signal and a cd4066, two buffer opamps, resistor, cap
02:33 PM polprog: decimator done. now i need to actually design and bild it
02:33 PM polprog: build*
02:33 PM polprog: i think ill go for single 5v supply, just bias the signal to 2.5v
02:34 PM polprog: ac coupled
02:35 PM thardin: are you sure you really need it? you might be able to get away with a bandpass filter and undersampling
02:37 PM thardin: the 4066 that is
03:17 PM polprog: i dont know much about bandpass filters
03:18 PM polprog: and there isnt any adc there
03:18 PM polprog: its a sample and hold circuit but the output is ac coupled to an audio jack
03:18 PM nuxil: you know lp and hp filters ?
03:18 PM polprog: time quantizer
03:18 PM polprog: yeah i know
03:18 PM nuxil: try mix them ;)
03:19 PM polprog: but i dont see how a bandpass could help there
03:19 PM polprog: i have an idea i wanna try
03:20 PM nuxil: it was a response to your. i dont know much about bandpass filter.
03:21 PM polprog: i know how it works
03:22 PM polprog: i dont know how i could use it to make a decimator/time quantizer
03:22 PM nuxil: ignore me :p
03:22 PM polprog: rough idea https://puu.sh/AuGu6/dd91c9b3ca.jpg
03:23 PM polprog: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(signal_processing)
03:24 PM polprog: it lowers the "sample rate" but keeps the "resolution" (adds a sample rate but the "resolution" is infinite because there isnt any adc/dac)
03:25 PM polprog: i wanna see how it sounds
03:25 PM polprog: probably gonna get a nice sealed metal enclosure and make it a simple effect box for my synth
03:25 PM polprog: just with a blinking led and a knob to adjust the frequency
04:03 PM thardin: basically you can use the switch inside the sample&hold as a mixer
04:03 PM thardin: or put another way, make use of aliasing
04:04 PM thardin: polprog: what are you actually trying to do?
04:06 PM thardin: that thing will mix everything around the carrier (and its harmonics) down to baseband
04:06 PM thardin: which may or may not be what you want
04:17 PM polprog: experimenting
04:17 PM polprog: downsample a signal, no additional filters, raw output
04:17 PM polprog: how it sounds
04:18 PM polprog: what do you mean "as a mixer" ?
04:19 PM thardin: in the radio sense
04:19 PM thardin: a heterodyne
04:20 PM thardin: seems to be what you're trying to do, but it looks a bit crude
04:28 PM polprog: hmm
04:28 PM polprog: no, you cant use cd4066 as an analog mixer
04:29 PM polprog: i tried to drive the control pins with an analog signal
04:29 PM polprog: nope. its purely digital, and its directly connected to the fets and inverters inside (datasheet)
04:30 PM polprog: you get weirs states where it pulls the output to one or another rail etc
04:30 PM thardin: looks like it'd work to me
04:30 PM thardin: assuming you have the control levels right
04:30 PM thardin: I may have even used a 4066 for this exact purpose, if I'm not mistaken
04:33 PM polprog: my attempt at driving its control pins with an analog voltage were failed
04:33 PM polprog: hence the pulse, digital waveform in the pic
04:33 PM polprog: also thanks for mentioning heterodyne
04:34 PM polprog: i finally read on it and understood it
04:34 PM thardin: there are analog multipliers if you need something with high accuracy
04:35 PM polprog: i just need to sample and hold a signal
04:35 PM thardin: a simple diode will do in a pinch :]
04:35 PM thardin: aha
04:35 PM thardin: alright
04:36 PM polprog: i was thinking about a diode as well. if i replaced the switch with a diode, id get a peak detector ;)
04:36 PM polprog: well not exactly but you know the drill. would have to rearrange the feedback loop a bit
04:37 PM Thrashbarg: you can PWM the control pins on a 4066, assuming you've got good filters on the analog side
04:37 PM Thrashbarg: can get noisy...
04:39 PM * Thrashbarg continues to read the scrollback
04:42 PM Thrashbarg: ah decimator, so you want as much noise as possible hehe
04:46 PM polprog: night
04:46 PM polprog: hehe
04:46 PM polprog: kindof :p
04:46 PM Thrashbarg: heh
04:47 PM polprog: gameboy like noise is desired
04:47 PM Thrashbarg: yeah
04:47 PM Thrashbarg: you can use a VCA too
04:47 PM Thrashbarg: just switch it on and off
04:47 PM polprog: thats on my experiment list as well
04:47 PM Thrashbarg: cool. I'll draw a diagram of a design of mine
04:49 PM thardin: ah you're specifically after distortion :]
04:49 PM polprog: oh nice
04:50 PM polprog: make sure to mention my nick as im going to sleep now, ill check it out tomorrow
04:50 PM Thrashbarg: will do
05:01 PM Jartza: interesting. lot of new attinies (attiny-1 series) but they don't support external xtal anymore
05:01 PM Jartza: only external clock
05:47 PM Thrashbarg: polprog: https://photos.app.goo.gl/OgXhJYsb7mr9XlKd2
08:38 PM rue_mohr: a pro mini is $2.50, an stm32 is $2
08:38 PM rue_mohr: a 2560 is $11
10:25 PM rue_shop4: so were getting to the 24 hour mark
10:25 PM rue_shop4: which nicks havn't said anything?
11:11 PM rue_mohr: in the last 24 hours, only the following nicks have spoken, as such, as talked about, all other nicks will be kicked
11:11 PM rue_mohr: speak now or never do
11:18 PM -!- #avr mode set to +o by ChanServ
11:19 PM Tom_L: on the rampage again?
11:20 PM kl0wn: ?
11:20 PM kl0wn: ah
11:20 PM Tom_L: kl0wn, he does this once in a while
11:20 PM kl0wn: someone fucked up
11:20 PM kl0wn: lol
11:20 PM kl0wn: I see
11:20 PM Tom_L: not sure it's productive
11:20 PM Tom_L: he likes to see who will actually rejoin
11:20 PM DerNooM: morning
11:20 PM kl0wn: I assumed someone was hacked
11:21 PM kl0wn: does he do it just because he thinks cleaning out a dead channel matters?
11:21 PM -!- #avr mode set to +o by ChanServ
11:21 PM DerNooM: channel is not dead
11:22 PM rue_mohr: dead wood
11:22 PM rue_mohr: some of them are spam bots
11:22 PM rue_mohr: in waiting,
11:22 PM rue_mohr: lots of them are channels people just forgot to close and always leave up
11:22 PM rue_mohr: it cleans up the channel
11:22 PM DerNooM: iam a spam bot
11:22 PM rue_mohr: we just lost about 100 people who never contribute
11:22 PM rue_mohr: whats left, its *mostly* real
11:22 PM kl0wn: I idle here to learn things from others converstations
11:22 PM rue_mohr: DerNooM, spambot or not, you contribute
11:22 PM DerNooM: :D
11:22 PM rue_mohr: I said that anyone who didn't say anything in 24 hours would get kicked
11:23 PM kl0wn: I just happened to see I was kicked because I was here
11:23 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, well talk more
11:23 PM DerNooM: i hooked up my old 328p yesterday, it still works
11:23 PM kl0wn: what's the point of kicking?
11:23 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, and if you had been really reading, you would have caught my warning
11:23 PM rue_mohr: we just went from 150 to 50
11:23 PM rue_mohr: we had 100 dead people
11:23 PM Casper: rue_mohr: you lost your mind again?
11:23 PM kl0wn: who cares?
11:23 PM rue_mohr: who never say anyting
11:23 PM kl0wn: why does it matter? lol
11:23 PM rue_mohr: because it kills the channel
11:24 PM rue_mohr: dont ask how, I dont know
11:24 PM Tom_L: it bothers him
11:24 PM Casper: you kill the channel
11:24 PM rue_mohr: but when a channel is only filled with real people, people talk
11:24 PM vishwin: not necessarily
11:24 PM DerNooM: to be fair you are all alive now
11:24 PM DerNooM: so it worked
11:24 PM rue_mohr: when you have a channel with 1000 peeople who never say anything, its dead
11:24 PM vishwin: my LUG's channel is all real people, but all of today has been dead
11:24 PM kl0wn: or maybe people idle to to read and learn, like me
11:24 PM Casper: instead of kicking idler, find something interessing to say instead of threatening people and flooding the channel with non-sense code
11:24 PM kl0wn: why kick everyone? lol
11:24 PM vishwin: exactly, kl0wn
11:24 PM kl0wn: that makes no sense
11:24 PM rue_mohr: and then slowly people leave the dead channel and it sits there without anyone in it
11:25 PM rue_mohr: see #linuxhelp
11:25 PM rue_mohr: **its the life cycle of a channel**
11:25 PM rue_mohr: it just is
11:25 PM kl0wn: I don't care about another channel
11:25 PM rue_mohr: I been on irc since like 2000 I know this
11:25 PM kl0wn: I'm here to watch and learn from other people speaking
11:25 PM kl0wn: "
11:25 PM Casper: rue_mohr: you should also kick yourself out
11:25 PM * Tom_L dates prior to that by 10 yrs or so
11:25 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, so you read yesterday when I said to say __anything__ or in 24 hours you would be kicked
11:26 PM kl0wn: no, probably didn't, who cares? why should anyone get kicked for being here?
11:26 PM -!- #avr mode set to -o by rue_mohr
11:26 PM DerNooM: Tom_L how old r u? -.-
11:26 PM kl0wn: nothing changes if people are just idling here
11:26 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, so you dont actually read the channel and you dont talk
11:26 PM kl0wn: I read when I can
11:26 PM kl0wn: I can't constantly read the channel
11:27 PM rue_mohr: so the only reason you said anything was cause it sent you an event when you got kicked?
11:27 PM kl0wn: can you?
11:27 PM rue_mohr: I do, and it makes me sad when I see a day go by when only 3 things were said
11:27 PM Tom_L: i don't anymore but there was a time i did
11:27 PM kl0wn: if you kicked me an hour later I'd have never noticed
11:27 PM rue_mohr: if it hadn't beeped you would have never noticed
11:27 PM Tom_L: maybe avrs are dying
11:27 PM Casper: rue_mohr: seriously, what you just did was a serious dick move, a proper channel owner (read anywhere not freenode) would have removed your access right away
11:28 PM Tom_L: maybe it's not the channel at all
11:28 PM rue_mohr: maybe 50% of conversation is avr, thats not important
11:28 PM rue_mohr: Casper, its been working tho
11:28 PM kl0wn: I do read this channel when I'm on break at work or if I find the time
11:28 PM kl0wn: I can't promise I read it 24/7
11:28 PM rue_mohr: Casper, how many times have you seen the whole life cycle of an irc channel
11:28 PM kl0wn: same as I read other channels
11:28 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, no, but do you ever say anything?
11:29 PM kl0wn: nope, I don't
11:29 PM kl0wn: I have nothing to contribute, but I can't say I never wILL
11:29 PM rue_mohr: so you dont contribute
11:29 PM rue_mohr: heh
11:29 PM kl0wn: right, but who cares?
11:29 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, so what interests you with avrs?
11:29 PM kl0wn: what does my name in the channel matter?
11:30 PM rue_mohr: there were 100 nicks in the channel that never contribute
11:30 PM Casper: rue_mohr: kicking people will not do anything good, if you find it dead, find a way to resurect it, if not let it go, if not give ownership to someone else and step down
11:30 PM kl0wn: what interests me is the same reason I subsribt to hackaday
11:30 PM kl0wn: I love to see what other people do
11:30 PM rue_mohr: an irc channel has a life cycle
11:30 PM kl0wn: subscribe *
11:30 PM rue_mohr: its started by people that bring evryone to come and talk about things
11:30 PM rue_mohr: lots of people join and talk
11:31 PM rue_mohr: and then dead wood starts forming, nicks that never say anything ever
11:31 PM rue_mohr: and then it goes days without anyone saying anything
11:31 PM rue_mohr: but the nick list keeps growing
11:31 PM kl0wn: maybe someday I'll contribute, and maybe I won't, I've never contributed to my favorite websites, that doens't mean I don't like to see what other people are doing
11:31 PM rue_mohr: after months of nobody saying anything, the nick growth slows
11:31 PM rue_mohr: people start to leave
11:31 PM kl0wn: so what?
11:32 PM kl0wn: it's an IRC channel
11:32 PM rue_mohr: and the channel sits there with about 3 nicks in it that never ever reply to anything
11:32 PM vishwin: I can say from my own experiences on freenode that the above "lifecycle" is patently false
11:32 PM rue_mohr: so, I dont want these channels to die
11:32 PM vishwin: from all the large channels I've been in
11:32 PM rue_mohr: SO, back in .... 2005??? tom? I postulated that maybe if the dead wood was trimmed, it would 'hup the lifecycle somehow
11:32 PM rue_mohr: and you know what, it does
11:33 PM kl0wn: I'd just like to stick around and see what people are doing, even if I can't contribute
11:33 PM rue_mohr: go ahead, go to #linuxhelp, its completely dead
11:33 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, well say a bit now and then, it dosn't have to be realted, by now you know that
11:33 PM rue_mohr: there are nicks that never talk that weren't kicked
11:34 PM rue_mohr: there are nicks I'v been talking that didn't in the last 24 that I recognize cause I'm watching
11:34 PM rue_mohr: there are also modified nicks of people who did talk that I didn't kick cause I can tell their just away
11:34 PM vishwin: for example, a channel for an operating system I use and contribute code to had 810 nicks when I last re-attached to this bnc. only like 20 actually talk. it's dead when it wants to, it's alive when it wants to.
11:35 PM rue_mohr: I dont know *how* it works, but cleaning out dead wood partly restores a channels life
11:35 PM Casper: no
11:35 PM Casper: it kill it
11:35 PM rue_mohr: vishwin, in the later part of the lifecycle, the nick list SEVERLY inflates
11:35 PM Casper: you really lost your mind now
11:36 PM rue_mohr: Casper, avr and robotics have had this done for quite a while now, it works
11:36 PM rue_mohr: I dont know why
11:36 PM DerNooM: dont be snowflakes
11:36 PM Casper: step down as a channel owner is what will do the best for the channel
11:36 PM Casper: rue_mohr: that do not work, it is in your head
11:36 PM rue_mohr: Casper, dude, you been here like, 8 or more years havn't you?
11:36 PM Tom_L: a while yes
11:37 PM rue_mohr: do you have seen me do other clearouts over the years
11:37 PM rue_mohr: I prolly did it like 2 years ago
11:37 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, ?
11:37 PM Tom_L: pisses ppl off every time too
11:37 PM rue_mohr: yes, and the channel gets active again
11:37 PM Casper: rue_mohr: and it never worked
11:38 PM Casper: all it did is piss off some regular that left
11:38 PM vishwin: active for the wrong reasons
11:38 PM Casper: I'm tempted to leave now
11:38 PM rue_mohr: if it didn't work, then there would be 300 nicks in here and nobody would have said anything all day
11:38 PM Casper: so
11:38 PM Casper: ?
11:38 PM rue_mohr: so the channel would be dea
11:38 PM vishwin: people will say things when they want to say it.
11:38 PM kl0wn: I wasn't trying to be a dick, by the way, I idle in a ton of channels because sometimes I may learn something from someone, or maybe I don't, I don't know, but it costs me nothing to sit in a channel and read what people are saying
11:38 PM rue_mohr: have you been in #robotics latley?
11:38 PM Casper: if it bug you so much, you are free to step down and leave
11:39 PM rue_mohr: Casper, add #linuxhelp to your list if you want to hang out in dead channels
11:39 PM kl0wn: I idle in channels about C and C++ and some linux dists and some cpus older than me
11:39 PM kl0wn: I cna't keep track of everything
11:39 PM rue_mohr: I do it to keep the channel alive
11:39 PM kl0wn: I just idle and maybe I'll learn something
11:39 PM vishwin: none of my large channels are dead despite only having 20/1000 nicks talk, tyvm
11:39 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, what have you learned about avrs since you started watching?
11:40 PM DerNooM: :D:D:D
11:40 PM rue_mohr: vishwin, then their in the early stages of complete death
11:40 PM Casper: rue_mohr: stop being a dick, now that's a personal attack
11:40 PM vishwin: nope
11:40 PM rue_mohr: hang out in #robotics, sometimes we go like 3 days with nobody saying anything
11:40 PM vishwin: I've been in some of those large channels ever since I started using freenode in like 2005.
11:41 PM vishwin: they're still kicking.
11:41 PM kl0wn: I can't answer that, I don't know, I follow the same kind of channels/subreddits elsewhere
11:41 PM kl0wn: I'm sorry
11:41 PM kl0wn: I don't know
11:41 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, how long ya been hanging out in #avr?
11:41 PM DerNooM: imo asking questions is the best way to learn
11:41 PM kl0wn: I couldn't tell you how long I've been ehre
11:41 PM rue_mohr: a year? a week?
11:41 PM kl0wn: a few years I'd assume
11:41 PM rue_mohr: ok
11:42 PM rue_mohr: so, what avr is cheap cause its popular on arduinos?
11:42 PM polprog: morning
11:42 PM Tom_L: hey polprog
11:42 PM DerNooM: morning polprog
11:42 PM rue_mohr: :/ you never really ever read anything in the channel do ya kl0wn...
11:42 PM Casper: lol do you seriously think that arduino can drop the price of avr?
11:42 PM Tom_L: you missed all the fun
11:42 PM rue_mohr: not trying to pick o you
11:42 PM vishwin: arduinos are definitely a gateway drug for AVRs, at least for me
11:42 PM Casper: you are so out of your mind tonight
11:43 PM rue_mohr: I wanted to show you what you might have learned and not noticed
11:43 PM vishwin: not sure if I would've *heard* of the architecture otherwise
11:43 PM DerNooM: my first avr was an arduino too
11:43 PM Tom_L: i should turn off the log i suppose since this evening is all gonna be off topic
11:43 PM rue_mohr: well, arduinos made avrs, and io boards CHEAP
11:43 PM Casper: #avr is dead because of arduino, and arduino is dieing because there is more platform like the esp8266 or the others
11:44 PM rue_mohr: right, alot of our conversation is about stm32
11:44 PM rue_mohr: thats ok
11:44 PM Tom_L: it's not on topic though
11:44 PM rue_mohr: what does THAT matter?
11:44 PM Tom_L: that's why there's #stm32
11:45 PM rue_mohr: #avr is a gathering of microcontroller minded people, and it leans towards those with avr experiance
11:45 PM Tom_L: interpretation.
11:45 PM polprog: yeah, and #microcontrollers is pretty ded
11:45 PM rue_mohr: symantics
11:45 PM polprog: as a sidenote
11:46 PM kl0wn: I got interested trying to figure out how the original ps1 modchips worked so I joined a bunch of channels
11:46 PM rue_mohr: iirc they started #micrcontrollers after #avr because they didn't like it being biased to one arch
11:46 PM kl0wn: whether or not they were actually related I didn't really care
11:46 PM kl0wn: it's just something that interested me
11:46 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, so you stay in hopes of one day making a mod chip?
11:46 PM kl0wn: not really
11:46 PM rue_mohr: you want to control things with microcontrollesr?
11:47 PM kl0wn: I hope to continue to learn
11:47 PM kl0wn: I'm trying to learn some fpga stuff now
11:47 PM rue_mohr: cool, which manufacturer?
11:47 PM kl0wn: while continuing to learn other things
11:47 PM rue_mohr: I want to learn cuda programming
11:47 PM kl0wn: none, I don't know enough yet
11:48 PM -!- #avr mode set to -o by Tom_L
11:48 PM kl0wn: I'm trying to figure out how it all works
11:48 PM kl0wn: I'd like to make a sega genesis flash cart
11:48 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, ok, if your watching the channel, you know who else here does fpga programming... can you name them?
11:48 PM vishwin: back in school, they had us on xilinx
11:48 PM Tom_L: i can't even do that
11:48 PM * rue_mohr didn't know vishwin did
11:48 PM Tom_L: gawd...
11:49 PM Tom_L: chill out a bit
11:49 PM rue_mohr: well diverted tom!
11:49 PM kl0wn: I really don't know rue_mohr
11:49 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, vishwin and Tom_L
11:49 PM rue_mohr: kl0wn, you should read the channel sometimes....
11:49 PM vishwin: lol I only did FPGA for that one class
11:49 PM rue_mohr: vishwin, that fully qualifies you!
11:50 PM rue_mohr: your and expert!
11:50 PM * rue_mohr puts a certificate on vishwins shirt
11:50 PM vishwin: I could get back into it with xilinx stuff, mostly because their tools are freeware, but it's gotta wait till I have a business use-case
11:50 PM kl0wn: is it really worth being a jerk because I'm idling in a irc channel?
11:50 PM Tom_L: better hurry up, webpack is EOL and the next one isn't free
11:50 PM kl0wn: I don't understand that
11:51 PM polprog: i compiled one or two verilog files and ran them in an emulator
11:51 PM polprog: does that count :p
11:51 PM vishwin: I used both webpack and the new one, I downloaded both for free
11:51 PM vishwin: vivado!
11:51 PM Tom_L: polprog makes you a pro in some eyes
11:51 PM rue_mohr: polprog, on 32 bit or 64?
11:51 PM kl0wn: at least this is the most active we've seen the channel
11:51 PM polprog: umm... no idea
11:52 PM Tom_L: vishwin i think it may be limited
11:52 PM polprog: bbl, breakfast
11:52 PM rue_mohr: yea I have 15 mins to finish a 3d printer!
11:52 PM rue_mohr: bbl
11:53 PM rue_mohr: <-- "asshole" if you want
11:53 PM kl0wn: waht 3d printer do you have?
11:54 PM kl0wn: I don't think you're an asshole
11:55 PM kl0wn: I'm trying to read some sega genesis carts with arduino but I think my wires are shit :(
11:56 PM DerNooM: :(
11:56 PM kl0wn: it outputs this
11:56 PM kl0wn: ⸮
11:56 PM kl0wn: ⸮⸮SE⸮⸮G⸮⸮⸮ G⸮⸮E⸮⸮⸮ES⸮⸮I
11:56 PM kl0wn: looks close to sega gensis to me -_-
11:56 PM DerNooM: lol
11:56 PM kl0wn: :(
11:56 PM DerNooM: if it was uart id say wrong baudrate
11:57 PM kl0wn: If it wernt 823947u02347 wires I'd blame something else
11:57 PM kl0wn: but I'm sure I've fucked someting
11:57 PM kl0wn: hopefully it's my fuck up and no cheap wires
11:58 PM kl0wn: what's the best way to debug this?
11:58 PM kl0wn: replace every wire?
11:58 PM rue_shop4: I'm making my 4th i2
11:59 PM rue_shop4: kl0wn, do you have the cart pinout?
11:59 PM kl0wn: YA
11:59 PM kl0wn: -caps
11:59 PM kl0wn: https://www.sodnpoo.com/posts.xml/mega_mega_reader.xml
11:59 PM kl0wn: following this guys
11:59 PM kl0wn: except I'm not using an lcd, just outputting over serial