#avr Logs

May 04 2018

01:13 AM nohitzzzz: https://www.arrow.com/en/research-and-events/articles/20-off-arduino
01:16 AM Haohmaru: --nohitzzzz.credibility;
04:19 AM polprog: morning
04:20 AM Emil: "morning" :D
04:20 AM polprog: im back
04:20 AM Emil: Ohayou
04:20 AM polprog: :P
04:21 AM Emil: It's funny though
04:21 AM Emil: if you watch series and movies in a language you'll start to hear phrases and words in situations that you could use
04:22 AM polprog: indeed
04:22 AM Emil: but you might have no real confirmation of if you can use them or what they actually mean
04:22 AM Emil: intuition in learning is strong
04:22 AM Emil: especially if it's my osmosis
04:22 AM Emil: also today I'm enjoying things like
04:23 AM Emil: These functions may return pointers to statically allocated memory which may be overwritten by subsequent calls.
04:23 AM Emil: Thread safety │ MT-Safe
04:23 AM Emil: ":D" it's safe if we tell it's unsafe!
04:23 AM polprog: 50% of the time works every time
04:24 AM Emil: I just suddenly realised that there is no safe lock-free way to use basename/dirname :D
04:24 AM polprog: whats basename/dirname? what context?
04:24 AM Emil: man 3 basename
04:25 AM polprog: lol?
04:26 AM polprog: why is it called libgen.h tho
04:26 AM Emil: zero idea
04:27 AM polprog: "ATTRIBUTES" section, what a lovely table
04:27 AM polprog: also thanks for reminding me man has function documnetation as well
04:27 AM polprog: i need to find some good graphical man browser
04:27 AM polprog: so i can get a list of pages
04:27 AM Emil: polprog: you didn't know/remember? :D
04:27 AM Emil: that's like the best use of man
04:27 AM Emil: c function documentation
04:27 AM Emil: and library
04:28 AM polprog: i would always use it to look up syntax for shell commands
04:28 AM polprog: bbl
04:34 AM theBear: man rocks ! and while it MAY be technically superior, eff this new-age info thing... technically superior is useless if i don't know what to press 'cos i been using man for 20 or 25 years and feel that exempts me from needing to learn new buttons <grin>
04:35 AM Emil: info is pretty horrible to use imho
04:35 AM Emil: well
04:35 AM Emil: the format is at least horrible
04:35 AM Thrashbarg: what, GNU info?
04:35 AM Emil: yeah
04:35 AM Thrashbarg: it's fine if you've got a PhD in emacs
04:35 AM Emil: :D
04:35 AM Emil: can't argue with that
04:37 AM theBear: i notice very slowly a handful of things are moving all but a skeleton of a manpage over to info style, which just sucks balls, for the reasons we already mentioned... and i know it's controversial, but i say, from a personal p.o.v. eff emacs and it's do-everything-anyone-ever-did-do approach to life <grin>
04:37 AM Thrashbarg: funny how GNU things such as emacs, etc, ditch the traditional 'small and modular' approach
04:37 AM * theBear remembers when the first proper layout based movable cursor and scroll up/down-able editors came on the scene, and just how amazing and better-er they obviously were from the first moments you checked one out
04:38 AM Thrashbarg: they went from 'everything's a file' to 'everything's a colossal headache'
04:38 AM Thrashbarg: hehe
04:38 AM theBear: but while we should exaggerate any feelings/comments right now, lets remember it ain't a competition, and we really don't care what anyone else wants to use for editing or doing everything under the sun with even
04:38 AM Thrashbarg: hehe
04:39 AM theBear: course this channel is full of cool-guys, so that is all probably done without any need for saying it out loud :-D
04:39 AM Thrashbarg: yay
04:39 AM theBear: i concur !
04:44 AM theBear: hmmm..... just had a thought... unless i'm as outta touch as i likely am th ese days, it strikes me that there never been a "wireless kvm-switchey thing" yet... i thinking something like multiple little tiny-usb-thingers such as yer normal wireless keyb/mousey things these days got, stuck in different machines... maybe forget the v in kvm for now.... 'cos i already done the old look one way and hit the keyboard/mouse for the machine behind me or under
04:44 AM theBear: the desk being confuggered back to health more than enough times for one lifetime... i already done that before the turn of the century i pretty sure
04:45 AM theBear: tho also sounds like a project not too taxing for some little fancy rf (or even bt or wifi these days) serial moduley board and oh i dunno, maybe something kickass braining it up at the backend, like say, an avr <grin> mmmmmm
04:45 AM theBear: also sounds way less fiddley than wiring up things like physical multiplexers or ps2/usb-hid decode+recode thingers to achieve the same kinda thing (traditional wired style)
04:58 AM polprog: 11:36 < theBear> course this channel is full of cool-guys, so that is all probably done without any need for saying it out loud :-D
04:58 AM polprog: :D
04:58 AM polprog: if i can comment on that
04:59 AM polprog: [the other that, the kvm thing]
04:59 AM polprog: unless you are running inside a server room, your KVM can be the taskbar's window switcher
04:59 AM polprog: or alt-tabbbing between puttys and VNC clients
05:00 AM polprog: same as dumb terminals getting out of fashion because you can have a thin client for cheap
05:01 AM theBear: polprog, unless yer refuse to use rdp and perhaps some other remote-desktop-ey protocol/systems purely on principal that is <wink>
05:01 AM polprog: true
05:01 AM polprog: or you cant use that because the server crapped the bed :D
05:02 AM polprog: and you dont have those fancy pancy VNC cards that allow you to mess with the BIOS over the network
05:02 AM theBear: mmm, i used my dumb terminals YEARS after they were beyond obsolete, and even i gave 'em up a decade or so back.. aside from anything else, even then, even in my other-persons-retired-hw kinda world, serial ports were getting a bit hard to find
05:02 AM polprog: that is unfortunately tru
05:02 AM polprog: e
05:02 AM polprog: i have a serial port header in my PC but its broken :(
05:03 AM polprog: and pcie cards with rs232 are way too expensive for what they are worth
05:03 AM theBear: mmm, i gotta admit, when it works fairly not-broken-ly that intel management stuff was kinda cool like that.. ability to do not only pre-os-boot kvm style fiddles, but various kinda remote-firmware-variable direct settings and in fancier versions/implementations even things like virtual-connect a hd/image to a machine so it looks like a real one over ethernet, which can be real handy in those kinda can't-reach-the-machine situations
05:04 AM theBear: tho at the same time i should mention that it OFTEN didn't work completely or properly-ish at all :(
05:12 AM * polprog would like to have a dumb terminal
05:17 AM polprog: hey calculator what's 2+2? "Loading operating system" :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_OCKlw0uE
08:58 AM rue_mohr: its intergalaxy star wars day, May the 4th be with you
09:17 AM MrFahrenheit: always
09:25 AM nuxil: howdy
09:33 AM MrFahrenheit: hi
09:35 AM polprog: i fixed an oil lamp this morning
09:35 AM polprog: the wick got stuck
01:00 PM MrFahrenheit: gonna need to replace the fans on this printer, especially the nozzle fan
01:00 PM MrFahrenheit: annoyingly loud
03:31 PM nuxil: MrFahrenheit, print a new one :p
03:36 PM nuxil: MrFahrenheit, time for you to make one of these. http://www.instructables.com/id/Creality-CR-10-3d-Printer-Sindvik-Enclosure/ :D
03:38 PM polprog: you wouldnt download a 3d printer
03:39 PM MrFahrenheit: print a new mini fan? I don't think that works
03:42 PM nuxil: 3d printed fan.. no problem ;p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LkgHB5bgmc
03:42 PM nuxil: :D
03:47 PM polprog: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/PowerShell_for_Linux_6.0_Alpha_9_on_Ubuntu.png
03:47 PM polprog: this screenshot is very disturbing
03:50 PM nuxil: can you do a Set method too ?
03:53 PM polprog: no idea
03:59 PM MrFahrenheit: I hate that the xdg spec defines home folders with capitalised letters
04:00 PM MrFahrenheit: it's so weird on linux with everything EVERYTHING else being lowercase
04:00 PM MrFahrenheit: have to go and rename them every time I install a machine
04:01 PM polprog: i hate xdg spec. im a simple man
04:01 PM polprog: i dont run a web broweser, i wanna run firefox
04:01 PM polprog: my home folder is ~ not $XDG_HOME
04:01 PM Emil: MrFahrenheit: agreed
04:02 PM MrFahrenheit: I like the spec, mostly due to .config and co.
04:02 PM polprog: i was close to happy with icewm and 5 line .xinit on NetBSD :D
04:03 PM polprog: and all of that was running on a tad laggy pentium 4
04:04 PM polprog: if i had a spare lappy id give that a try again. would make a nice dumb terminal!
05:52 PM polprog: night
11:26 PM day__ is now known as day