#avr Logs

Mar 05 2018

01:36 AM polprog: morning
09:46 AM Jartza_ is now known as Jartza
12:48 PM arduiko: Hello, do you have a tutorial to build a software to communicate and configure USB devices like keyboard software of logitech ?
12:48 PM arduiko: in HID, not Serial
12:49 PM Tom_L: http://fourwalledcubicle.com/
12:49 PM arduiko: its a bootloader
12:49 PM arduiko: for USB device chip
12:50 PM Casper: arduiko: do you mean pairing the unifying dongle with the mouse/keyboard? or you talk about usb host? or usb device?
12:50 PM arduiko: I mean a software like the logitech software
12:51 PM Casper: which one? there is many of them
12:51 PM arduiko: that can modify the light of the keyboard or mouse or other USB devices
12:51 PM arduiko: he Send HID packet to the USB device
12:51 PM Casper: that is proprietary stuff
12:51 PM arduiko: and the device modify its light
12:51 PM arduiko: I don't care about that
12:51 PM arduiko: I want to do software like that
12:52 PM arduiko: not only logitech have this kind of software
12:53 PM arduiko: any generic gaming mouse have it
12:53 PM arduiko: like bluestork and Amarina mouse
12:53 PM Casper: you DO care
12:53 PM Casper: proprietary mean non-standard
12:53 PM arduiko: ...
12:53 PM Casper: which mean someone have to reverse engineer the protocol
12:54 PM arduiko: HID communication is non-standard you mean ?
12:54 PM Casper: if nobody did then you need to do it yourself
12:54 PM Casper: HID is standard, not the color, that is not HID
12:54 PM arduiko: ...
12:54 PM arduiko: I bet you never sniff any of your USB device. right ?
12:54 PM arduiko: you never had curiosity of how all of that working
12:55 PM Rez_ is now known as Lo
12:55 PM Casper: if you are so smart, then why don't you sniff and do it yourself?
12:55 PM arduiko: don t try to say me I am wrong because it's how it s working
12:56 PM arduiko: now if you want a proof of that, sniff your gaming mouse and see the traffic IN and OUT
12:56 PM arduiko: generated by your gaming softare
12:56 PM arduiko: it's not about how smart am I
12:56 PM arduiko: because it's about learning
12:57 PM arduiko: and I ask you if you have a tutorial to make a software to communication with my USB device in HID protocole
01:04 PM antto: arduiko you won't get much help with that attitude
01:04 PM antto: you assume we all play games and have expensive "gaming" mice/keyboards
01:05 PM arduiko: If people always say that I am wrong, yes indeed
01:05 PM antto: where did anybody say "you're wrong" ?
01:05 PM arduiko: [19:53] <Casper> HID is standard, not the color, that is not HID
01:06 PM arduiko: [19:52] <Casper> proprietary mean non-standard
01:06 PM antto: is that not true?
01:06 PM arduiko: at 200% :D
01:07 PM arduiko: anyway think whatever you want to think
01:07 PM antto: afaik, "proprietary" means something that is sort of like a company-specific "super secret"
01:07 PM arduiko: I will search myself
01:07 PM arduiko: thanks for your help
01:07 PM antto: like, the coca-cola special recipe
01:07 PM arduiko: ok
01:07 PM arduiko: you right
01:07 PM arduiko: I don't want to have a knowledge fight
01:08 PM arduiko: Else is all of you are anti arduino ?
01:08 PM antto: arduiko maybe you're asking the wrong questions
01:08 PM arduiko: :D
01:08 PM arduiko: yes maybe, I will think about it also
01:09 PM antto: i personally think that having color light on a mouse/keyboard, and even having adjustments to that color is uber useless and pointless
01:09 PM antto: ;P~
01:10 PM antto: i mean.. what da fuuuq
01:10 PM arduiko: I found it pretty
01:10 PM arduiko: lol
01:10 PM arduiko: this is the future :D
01:13 PM antto: wow, i'm sure that would somehow morph into the technology that will fly us to another galaxy
01:13 PM antto: RGB-illuminated gaming mice
01:14 PM arduiko: I would like RBG electronic chip also LUL
01:14 PM antto: or maybe if you abuse the gain up on those LEDs you might accidentally discover a cheaper way to do nuclear fusion
01:14 PM arduiko: lol
01:18 PM arduiko: solder multi color with chemistry
01:18 PM arduiko: I wonder if it's possible
01:57 PM polprog: not everyone knows, but regular dioes and other discrete components also emit light under certain circumstances
01:57 PM Casper: yup
01:58 PM Casper: you don't notice because they are usually encased inside non-transparent packages
01:58 PM Casper: I think the 1n4148 can emit light actually
01:58 PM polprog: if you put 10A through it
01:59 PM polprog: actually ive got some of those
02:00 PM arduiko: is transparent chip package exist ? oO
02:01 PM polprog: eproms with window, CCD/CMOS matrices
02:01 PM polprog: cool stuff
02:01 PM polprog: :D
02:02 PM polprog: i cleaned up the side of the bench and added a 2nd monitor to the lab
02:02 PM polprog: https://puu.sh/zBh2i/1d94ff1878.jpg
02:03 PM arduiko: wth is this keyboard
02:03 PM polprog: hhkb
02:03 PM arduiko: no character on it ? xD
02:04 PM polprog: they all wore out, this just shows how much code i wrote :^)
02:04 PM arduiko: what is used for ?
02:04 PM arduiko: x)
02:04 PM polprog: works like a normal keyboard :D
02:04 PM arduiko: your keyboard is more interesting xD
02:05 PM arduiko: but what this keyboard have more compared to other ?
02:05 PM polprog: its small
02:05 PM arduiko: so small amount of keys
02:05 PM polprog: the bench is very small
02:05 PM arduiko: interesting
02:05 PM polprog: i had a regular, big one, but it took too much space
02:06 PM arduiko: like a notebooks ?
02:06 PM arduiko: notebook keyboard
02:07 PM arduiko: your keyboard looks like
02:07 PM polprog: kinda
02:07 PM polprog: its even smaller really
02:08 PM arduiko: ok :p
02:21 PM Casper: polprog: yeah it seems it was not the 4148 that emit light... but another glass type...
02:22 PM polprog: many many interesting things must happen inside those tiny devices
02:41 PM Cracki: cheers. i have (u16 * u16) >> 16. is there some intrinsic that expresses this optimally?
02:42 PM Cracki: (one factor is basically values representing 1.0 downto 0.0)
02:44 PM Casper: or maybe it was the germanium diodes?
03:44 PM Cracki: aw heck now I've learned avr inline assembly
03:45 PM Cracki: and it's a dozen instructions...
03:47 PM learath: turing complete?
03:49 PM Cracki: wat
03:50 PM polprog: niters
05:20 PM Cracki: here, shoot yourself in the foot, untested https://pastebin.com/t7fpx9Py
07:25 PM Ameisen: Not really an AVR question per se, more MCU in general
07:25 PM Ameisen: have a teensy with an arm... if it's powered by USB, I know it puts out 3.3vdc on the 3.3v pin from its regulator
07:25 PM Ameisen: when the pins are pulled down, will they be bonded to my power supply's ground that I have connected to the GND pin
07:26 PM Ameisen: or will they be bonded to USB gnd? Or are those themselves bonded as well?
07:26 PM Ameisen: not sure if there's an isolator
08:59 PM Casper: Ameisen: except special cases, all power grounds are connected together
11:30 PM day__ is now known as day