#avr Logs
Mar 10 2017
#avr Calendar
12:32 AM homa_: hi
12:48 AM ENHering: https://hackaday.io/project/11724-yauvc-yet-another-unmanned-vehicle-controller/log/54688-new-classes-new-submodules
01:55 AM julius: rue_house, no just powering some leds
01:57 AM julius: ive got this bluetooth module (hc05) here that works just great, but another module that looks exactly the same is not found by my phone. i read 3 howtos so far, but nowhere do they mention any one time setup steps
01:57 AM julius: the working module i used some months ago
02:13 AM julius: ah got it
02:18 AM ferdna: cant anyone here help me test dcc?
02:18 AM ferdna: i'll send you a file and see if you can receive it
02:19 AM ferdna: i need to know if it is my side
02:43 AM Steffanx: Kinda rue_bed rue_house rue_shop3
02:59 AM Emil: ferdna: just open a new irc elsewhere
03:05 AM Casper: Emil: that do not do a proper dcc test
03:12 AM computer2000: Which are the most powerful single board computers for less than $200 with USB 3.0 and Linux support?
03:12 AM Casper: who knows, ask #hardware?
03:13 AM NoHitWonder: beagleboard?
03:19 AM NoHitWonder: no its usb2
03:23 AM Casper: unless you want to make a file server, usb3 is probably useless anyway
03:48 AM skz81: <Haohmaru> aren't you supposed to ship your stuff with the source code of the modified GPL bootloader then? >> Not exactly WITH, but you're supposed to make the modifications available, yes. Not necessarily to the device end users though.
03:50 AM skz81: for instance : http://www3.technicolor.com/en/hi/minisites/open-software
03:52 AM skz81: I'm pretty sure 99.99% of technicolors set-top-box users are not aware of this page ^^
03:52 AM skz81: (and prolly 99% of them are even not aware their STB is from technicolor, anyway)
03:53 AM skz81: hum... "not even" ?
04:40 AM Emil: Casper: wtf? if you open a irc on a vps and test it, it is exactly a proper test
06:45 AM Tachyon` is now known as Tachaway
07:44 AM julius: computer2000, raspberry will probably have something with usb3 too
07:45 AM julius: computer2000, both beagle and rpi are well <100$
07:46 AM julius: skz81, i believe they have to open up the code if they make changes to it and make it available
07:46 AM julius: skz81, of youre saying that it is available, just not very easy to find
07:47 AM skz81: julius, yes that's it. Not on a CD shipped in the box or whatever ;°)
07:54 AM NoHitWonder: julius https://beagleboard.org/beagleboard-xm
07:54 AM NoHitWonder: 150$
07:58 AM Emil: julius: raspis have usb2
08:03 AM computer2000: beaglebone has no usb 3
08:11 AM hetii: Hi :)
08:13 AM hetii: I just set fused L:E0 H:DF for attiny85 to use external crystal but after that step he stop talk with my avrmkII programmer
08:14 AM hetii: and I start wondering what means "Ext Clock" in http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc
08:14 AM hetii: is it external signal from some sort generator or external crystal ?
08:32 AM ENHering: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/teardown-tuesday-baofeng-amateur-radio-transceiver/?utm_source=All+About+Circuits+Members&utm_campaign=3488ffa7b4-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_03_09&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2565529c4b-3488ffa7b4-270456341/
08:35 AM ENHering is now known as carabia
08:36 AM bss36504: carabia: wait what?
08:36 AM bss36504: "ENHering is now known as carabia"
08:37 AM carabia is now known as enhering
08:38 AM enhering: No
08:38 AM enhering: I changed my nickname to his and asked for a password recovery by email
08:38 AM enhering: I hope he sees that and comes back
08:39 AM bss36504: Gotcha :)
08:39 AM bss36504: I was quite confused for a moment
08:39 AM enhering: Sorry
08:39 AM enhering: This is the only way i could think of getting his attention
08:40 AM enhering: Hope it works
08:43 AM enhering: Changing nick is not necessary
08:43 AM enhering: Type //msg nickserv sendpass carabia
08:44 AM enhering: Maybe is he receives many of those recover messages he comes back to see what is going on
08:45 AM enhering: If
08:49 AM bss36504: I personally enjoy the banter
08:53 AM enhering: Which one? Bringing him back or banning him?
08:54 AM bss36504: No no I mean I like the "spirited" conversations with him
08:54 AM enhering: Me too
08:54 AM enhering: I asked for a password recovery for my nick, but it did not arrive yet. Maybe it takes a long time to deliver the message
08:55 AM enhering is now known as blurp
08:55 AM blurp is now known as enhering
08:58 AM Emil: enhering: how do you know it didn't arrive yet?
08:58 AM Emil: It's sent to his email
08:59 AM julius: skz81, yeah than you can sue them...didnt netgear or some router producer "trap" into the dame trap?
08:59 AM julius: NoHitWonder, oh...dindt know that beagle is that expensive
08:59 AM Emil: julius: do you even google mate?
09:02 AM enhering: I asked for my nick too
09:02 AM enhering: Emi
09:03 AM enhering: Emil: i asked for my nick too
09:03 AM enhering: Still not arrived
09:11 AM enhering: Arrived. He must have received it then.
10:00 AM mindw0rk: Hey guys, you can use JTAG to program/debug any avr as long as the JTAG fuse is set right?
10:01 AM mindw0rk: and isp header would be redundant if you already have one for jtag?
10:02 AM Casper: maybe and yesish
10:02 AM Casper: jtag fuse + no lock bit
10:02 AM inflex: hiya Casper
10:02 AM Casper: and jtag will eat 4 of your 8 ADC pins
10:02 AM Casper: hi inflex
10:03 AM inflex: how's things going in your AVR world... or no more avrs?
10:03 AM Casper: been a while since I touched an avr, because it's been a while since I last had a project to do
10:04 AM Casper: currently I'm trying some esp8266 with nodemcu on it... lua is a pain... will most likelly ends up with arduino code... yuck....
10:04 AM mindw0rk: Casper: but if my design can do without them, I'm fine, right?
10:05 AM Casper: the problem with lua is that it is single threaded yet some stuff run does run in the background... you ends up with quite a mess there...
10:07 AM Casper: mindw0rk: From what I know, yes, but I never touched jtag so can not be 100% sure. I would personally atleast make sure to have access to the isp pins, maybe not have an header, but atleast some test pads for the in case of, and design the circuit as if you were using isp...
10:07 AM _ami_: arduino ide code @esp8266 works very well..
10:07 AM Casper: this could save yourself some trouble in the future, specially if you need more adc pins...
10:08 AM Casper: _ami_: that isw hat they say, trying to figure out the OTA update
10:08 AM * _ami_ is trying his luck on stm32f10XX
10:08 AM Casper: with lua it's relativelly quite easy (got some small issues, but worked around)
10:09 AM homa: hi
10:09 AM homa: i have a problem
10:09 AM polprog: hi
10:09 AM polprog: what kind of a problem?
10:10 AM homa: i connected my micro with this device
10:10 AM homa: Bus 008 Device 002: ID 16c0:05e1 Van Ooijen Technische Informatica Free shared USB VID/PID pair for CDC devices
10:10 AM polprog: yeah, USBASP
10:10 AM polprog: doesn't work>
10:10 AM homa: polprog: yes
10:10 AM polprog: doesn't work?
10:10 AM homa: yes
10:10 AM homa: avrdud cant find that
10:10 AM DKordic: homa: Aplly the hammer.
10:11 AM mindw0rk: lol
10:11 AM polprog: what does it say>
10:11 AM polprog: *?
10:12 AM homa: are there every body here for help me ?
10:12 AM * polprog bets it's a permission error
10:12 AM polprog: homa: what is the error reported by avrdude
10:12 AM polprog: ?
10:12 AM homa: polprog: cant find device
10:13 AM polprog: what parameter's do you run avrdude with?
10:14 AM homa: avrdude -pm16 -cusbasp -Uflash:w:test.hex:a
10:14 AM polprog: try to run "sudo avrdude -cusbasp -pm16", without -U option
10:15 AM homa: usbasp is for 16c0:05DC and i have 16c0:05e1
10:16 AM _ami_: https://kicad.mmccoo.com/
10:16 AM _ami_: kicad scripting guide!
10:16 AM _ami_: homa: use usbasp-clone instead
10:16 AM _ami_: avrdude -c usbasp-clone -p ..
10:16 AM Lambda_Aurigae: so you have to change the vid/pid to match your device.
10:16 AM _ami_: something like that!
10:17 AM homa: with usbasp-clone : get me "avrdude: error: could not find USB device with vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5dc"
10:17 AM polprog: set the proper vid and pid
10:18 AM homa: polprog: how ?
10:18 AM Lambda_Aurigae: edit the avrdude.conf file
10:19 AM homa: Lambda_Aurigae: i know , but what thing i should write that
10:19 AM Lambda_Aurigae: edit the entry for the usbasp programmer to match your vid/pid!
10:20 AM Lambda_Aurigae: look at the file
10:20 AM Lambda_Aurigae: it is very self-explanatory.
10:20 AM Lambda_Aurigae: think a little, try a little.
10:21 AM homa: Lambda_Aurigae: can i change vid/pid of vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5dc to vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5e1
10:21 AM _ami_: homa: search for usbasp-clone and change the usbpid to 0x05E1
10:21 AM _ami_: in avrdude.conf
10:21 AM _ami_: yeah
10:21 AM Chillum: -c STK500v2 ?
10:21 AM Lambda_Aurigae: I doubt it....because you haven't bothered to look at the file obviously.
10:21 AM Lambda_Aurigae: it can be changed, yes
10:22 AM Lambda_Aurigae: whether or not you can change it remains to be seen.
10:22 AM _ami_: tick tick.... timer begins before we heard from you! :)
10:23 AM * Casper baseball bat _ami_'s timer
10:25 AM _ami_: Lambda_Aurigae: that usbasp-clone is for different device name with same vid/pid.. now i remember.
10:28 AM homa: _ami_: now give me permission problem
10:28 AM homa: crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 898 Mar 10 19:27 003
10:29 AM Casper: chmod it and see if it work? if it does add an udev rule?
10:29 AM homa: Casper: what is udev rule ?
10:29 AM homa: chmod with 777 ?
10:31 AM homa: could not find USB device with vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5e1 vendor='www.fischl.de' product='USBasp'
10:31 AM Casper: chmod it to the evil one!
10:32 AM homa: Casper: chmod with 666
10:32 AM homa: for writing
10:33 AM homa: crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 898 Mar 10 19:27 003
10:34 AM homa: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 189, 898 Mar 10 19:27 003
10:34 AM Lambda_Aurigae: try running avrdude as root or sudo
10:34 AM Casper: that was plan B
10:35 AM Lambda_Aurigae: should be plan R
10:35 AM _ami_: there is a strange sudo related bug i am encountering these days. it just hangs..
10:35 AM _ami_: simple command like `sudo ls` hangs
10:36 AM homa: sudo avrdude -cusbasp -pm16 => avrdude: error: could not find USB device with vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5e1 vendor='www.fischl.de' product='USBasp'
10:36 AM Casper: .. maybe you should reinstall your system then?
10:36 AM _ami_: recent kernel upgrade has this issue..
10:36 AM polprog: what distro and kernel version?
10:36 AM _ami_: this happens randomly.. like 30-45 after every reboot
10:36 AM _ami_: 30-45 mins*
10:36 AM Casper: shouln't be kernel related... you sure you didn't upgraded anything else?
10:36 AM polprog: _ami_: might be hardware
10:37 AM polprog: i recently upgraded ram and the system started to hand randomly
10:37 AM _ami_: strace on sudo shows that it hangs somewhere at "select"
10:37 AM homa: can you solve my problem ?
10:37 AM polprog: back to 4 GB then
10:37 AM polprog: homa: did you set the vid and pid?
10:37 AM _ami_: 4.4.0-57-generic, ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial)
10:37 AM homa: yes polprog
10:38 AM polprog: homa: what was the lsusb output again>
10:38 AM _ami_: just to avoid this problem, i do sudo -s at every terminal after every boot! :P
10:39 AM homa: Bus 008 Device 003: ID 16c0:05e1 Van Ooijen Technische Informatica Free shared USB VID/PID pair for CDC devices polprog
10:39 AM polprog: weird
10:39 AM polprog: should work...
10:39 AM polprog: can you run avrdude as root?
10:39 AM polprog: i had problems with udev permissions
10:40 AM homa: avrdude: error: could not find USB device with vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5e1 vendor='www.fischl.de' product='USBasp' , this is output , polprog
10:40 AM polprog: while unning as root?
10:40 AM polprog: running*
10:41 AM homa: polprog: yes
10:41 AM polprog: are you sure that the programmer is not shorted somewhere
10:41 AM _ami_: homa: did u connect the avr board with usbasp ? try connecting only usbasp
10:42 AM _ami_: check for dmesg -wH errors when u connect usbasp device.
10:42 AM homa: _ami_: yes in university with windows
10:42 AM polprog: are you on windows or linux now?
10:43 AM homa: i'm in linux
10:43 AM homa: i don't have any windows
10:43 AM polprog: i just wanted to make sure. anyways what does the dmesg output say?
10:45 AM homa: [ 2.256037] usb 8-2: New USB device found, idVendor=16c0, idProduct=05e1
10:45 AM homa: [ 7453.924033] usb 8-2: New USB device found, idVendor=16c0, idProduct=05e1
10:46 AM homa: GND of atmega16a is in pin 11
10:50 AM _ami_: please disconnect atmega16 connection to usbasp
10:50 AM _ami_: and then try
10:50 AM _ami_: connect only usbasp and then run avrdude command
10:51 AM _ami_: atmega16a ?
10:51 AM _ami_: i am assuming that m16a is mcu you want to program via usbasp
10:51 AM _ami_: generally usbasp has atmega8.
10:54 AM homa: avrdude: error: could not find USB device with vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5e1 vendor='www.fischl.de' product='USBasp'
10:55 AM Lambda_Aurigae: try running avrdude as root
10:55 AM homa: avrdude: error: could not find USB device with vid=0x16c0 pid=0x5e1 vendor='www.fischl.de' product='USBasp
10:59 AM homa: every body doen't have idea
10:59 AM Lambda_Aurigae: apparently something is messed up with either your usbasp or your computer
11:00 AM Casper: do you have the latest avrdude?
11:00 AM Lambda_Aurigae: or, your computer or usb port is not compatible with v-usb firmware.
11:00 AM Lambda_Aurigae: does the usbasp have the latest firmware?
11:01 AM julius: hi
11:02 AM julius: any thoughts on why i can use avrdude to program a arduino when its connected to one port of my laptop, but not when its connected to a different port? getting timeouts
11:03 AM homa: Lambda_Aurigae: i'm new and i don't know
11:03 AM homa: Lambda_Aurigae: how see this
11:04 AM Emil: julius: what arduino is it?
11:04 AM Casper: julius: usb2/3 maybe? or your other ports are dirty
11:04 AM julius: ports work fine with harddrives
11:05 AM julius: how would ubs3 make a difference for arduino?
11:05 AM _ami_: homa: whats the device name of usbasp when u connect?
11:05 AM julius: usb3 ports probably can handle usb2 devices as well
11:05 AM _ami_: could u please show the dmesg output?
11:05 AM _ami_: it seems like your usbasp device name is something else?
11:06 AM julius: homa, could be a million different things....are you just starting out with avr's?
11:06 AM _ami_: full usbasp related dmesg output
11:07 AM homa: 1.450394] via-rhine 0000:05:00.0 eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x786d advertising 05e1 Link c5e1
11:07 AM homa: [ 2.256037] usb 8-2: New USB device found, idVendor=16c0, idProduct=05e1
11:07 AM homa: [ 7453.924033] usb 8-2: New USB device found, idVendor=16c0, idProduct=05e1
11:07 AM homa: [ 8703.880434] usb 8-2: New USB device found, idVendor=16c0, idProduct=05e1
11:07 AM homa: [ 8797.060031] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=16c0, idProduct=05e1
11:07 AM homa: sorry
11:07 AM homa: julius: i'm new
11:07 AM _ami_: please post it on pastebin
11:07 AM homa: sorry
11:08 AM julius: homa, then i would suggest starting out with a arduino uno. pro: it got a programmer on board...you cant wire it up wrong. you can use the arduino ide or avrdude to programm it. later if you get some experience you can use usbasp's
11:08 AM homa: https://gist.github.com/a6212ed00506cc31316e1863d6afc5dc
11:08 AM _ami_: homa: http://pastebin.com/c7kc8v01
11:08 AM julius: you just plug it into your usb port and youre good to go
11:09 AM Guest42500 is now known as homa_
11:09 AM _ami_: [ 2.256043] usb 8-2: Product: AVR910 USB Programmer [ 2.256045] usb 8-2: Manufacturer: PROTTOSS
11:09 AM _ami_: so ur device name is different
11:09 AM _ami_: that is why i told you earlier to change the config for usbasp-clone instead
11:10 AM _ami_: now go back to avrdude.conf and change the ids for usbasp-clone
11:10 AM _ami_: and then run
11:10 AM _ami_: avrdude -c usbasp-clone -p m16
11:11 AM _ami_: homa_: did u get my old msgs?
11:11 AM homa_: _ami_: yes , i do
11:11 AM _ami_: ok, cool!
11:16 AM homa_: _ami_: i do and with this command avrdude -pm16 -cusbasp-clone -Uflash:w:test.hex:a get me
11:16 AM _ami_: usbasp-clone ignores the device name(vendor/product name) and only rely on vid/pid for connection.
11:16 AM homa_: avrdude: warning: cannot set sck period. please check for usbasp firmware update.
11:16 AM homa_: avrdude: error: programm enable: target doesn't answer. 0
11:16 AM homa_: avrdude: initialization failed, rc=-1
11:16 AM homa_: Double check connections and try again, or use -F to override
11:16 AM homa_: this check.
11:16 AM homa_: avrdude done. Thank you.
11:17 AM _ami_: congratulations. your usbasp programmer can talk now
11:17 AM _ami_: check your connections.
11:18 AM homa_: _ami_: this is good
11:18 AM homa_: connection is good
11:20 AM homa_: _ami_: are you here ?
11:20 AM _ami_: i meant.. your connection between programmer and mega16 MCU
11:20 AM homa_: _ami_: i set ground in pin 11
11:20 AM _ami_: what?
11:21 AM homa_: i set GND of Wire to GND of mcu
11:21 AM _ami_: http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Program-AVR-chip-using-a-USBASP-with-10-pin-cable.php
11:22 AM _ami_: connection should look like this.
11:22 AM _ami_: find mosi/miso/rst/sck pins of m16 and connect those to corresponding pins of programmer.
11:23 AM homa_: _ami_ : i did
11:28 AM homa_: _ami_ : no didn't solve
11:38 AM homa_: _ami_: maybe locked that ?
11:40 AM homa_: julius:
11:40 AM homa_: polprog:
11:58 AM julius: im setting a variable from a ISP, in the main loop i check if it is set....if it is another function is called, inside that function i would like to run a while loop forever....until another ISP is received. would that while loop block the cpu?
11:59 AM julius: ah, i can use for inside my funtion and let the main while loop handle the repetition
12:19 PM hetii: Hmm, is it possible to use USI in TWI mode and use just SCK and mosi line to talk via SPI in attiny85?
12:43 PM atk is now known as atk-pbot
12:44 PM atk-pbot is now known as atk
01:26 PM hetii: odd things happen: I have such code that run on attiny85 with 20MHz crystal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24153105/
01:27 PM hetii: When send spi data in 500000Hz I receive junk data
01:28 PM hetii: then even when lower speed still get junk until I do reset of mcu
01:49 PM homa_: _ami_:
01:52 PM homa_: hi i have this problem
01:52 PM homa_: initialization failed, rc=-1
01:56 PM specing: you are not alone
01:57 PM homa_: are there every body can help me in there
02:00 PM specing: homa_: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=initialization+failedm+rc=-1&ia=web
02:01 PM hetii: homa_, I could try :)
02:01 PM hetii: hmm
02:01 PM hetii: :)
02:03 PM homa__: specing: i can't get idea
02:06 PM hetii: ok I give up ...
02:06 PM hetii: time to move to some other mcu i quess :)
02:28 PM Lambda_Aurigae: julius, make sure that variable is volatile
03:09 PM bss36504: Anybody here good at thermal analysis?
03:09 PM bss36504: I warn you, it's more complicated than just Pd*RthetaJ+Ta stuff
03:14 PM Casper: I did looked at it, and I agree
03:15 PM Casper: and it's funny in a way...
03:16 PM Casper: like if you get 1W/cm² and do 1x10cm horisontally then you most likelly get 10W.... but vertically you probably get 6-7W
03:16 PM bss36504: was that to me Casper?
03:16 PM bss36504: oh yeah
03:16 PM Casper: yes
03:16 PM Casper: however, if you make it another way, that 1x10 may be 15W ...
03:16 PM bss36504: so basically I want to pump some serious power through an LED driver chip. I'm trying to figure out how to quantify the steady state temperature of the system if you have an LED driver pumping two watts, and 16 LEDs pumping .8W each
03:17 PM bss36504: Calculating Tj for one thing or the other is easy, but really they are fixed *heat* sources, not fixed temperature sources
03:17 PM Casper: the official answer seems to be: try and test...
03:17 PM bss36504: haha ok
03:17 PM bss36504: Well if thats the case, then I guess I'll give it a go
03:17 PM Casper: seriously, it seems like nobody have any simple guestimate formula
03:18 PM Casper: only the complete complicated ones...
03:18 PM bss36504: My Calculated Tj for the driver is about 96C and my LEDs are about 50C each. I think it will probably be fine in practice, it's not going to be running 100% duty cycle all the time, just briefly here and there
03:18 PM bss36504: Well i imagine it would require some sort of FEM to properly calculate the interactions between the heat sources
03:20 PM xentrac: presumably, but you may be able to get by with very chintzy FEM
03:20 PM bss36504: I tried energy2d which seems possible, but I cant figure out how to set it up quite right yet. And I'm at work so I dont have time to really fiddle with it now :)
03:20 PM bss36504: The weekend is coming though
03:27 PM bss36504: Oh actually, I could download Autodesk CFD which I can get for free with an educational license. Neat
03:27 PM specing: bss36504: OpenFOAM
03:28 PM bss36504: Oh that looks cool too. Thanks for the suggestion, specing
04:18 PM Casper: or just stick in a fan :D
06:43 PM enhering: Hi. Good night
06:43 PM enhering: carabia appeared?
06:43 PM specing: no blips on my radar
06:43 PM enhering: :(
07:06 PM Smidge204: Evenin'
07:08 PM Smidge204: I'm reading over the instruction set reference in the ATtiny2x datasheets, and they use different letters for the operands (k, K, s, P and so forth) but I don't see where it's explained what meanings these have... if any.
07:09 PM Lambda_Aurigae: first page?
07:09 PM Emil: Smidge204: first apge
07:10 PM Smidge204: Of the whole datasheet of just the instruction set section? First page of the whole datasheet is the features overview, the page before the instruction set is the summary of registers
07:10 PM Lambda_Aurigae: no
07:10 PM Lambda_Aurigae: instruction set document
07:11 PM Lambda_Aurigae: http://www.atmel.com/images/Atmel-0856-AVR-Instruction-Set-Manual.pdf
07:11 PM Lambda_Aurigae: first page
07:11 PM Smidge204: Ah. That's a completely different document
07:11 PM Lambda_Aurigae: but it's in the datasheet too.
07:13 PM Smidge204: Nope, not in the datasheet. Several text searches doesn't show anything. That other reference you linked is perfect, though - thanks!
07:14 PM Emil: What does attin2x mean?
07:14 PM Emil: attiny2x*
07:14 PM Smidge204: The datasheet applies to ATtiny25/45/85
07:15 PM Smidge204: Yeah I messed it up
07:16 PM Lambda_Aurigae: least, I thought it was.
07:16 PM Lambda_Aurigae: yeah....guess not.
07:16 PM Lambda_Aurigae: so, read the instruction set manual.
07:19 PM Smidge204: Yah. I printed out that first page for easier reference. The summary table is enough for quick reference but those definitions are also needed
07:24 PM julius: Lambda_Aurigae, yes thanks
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10:58 PM homa__: hi
10:59 PM homa__: how can i update firmware
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11:03 PM homa__: are there every body here?
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