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[00:00:34] <rue_house> the universe changed again?
[00:00:42] <rue_house> wtf did that collider do!
[00:01:07] <sabor> it created a black hole and we're falling into it right now ;)
[00:01:38] <dgriffi> some wags think that the entire universe is within a black hole
[00:01:38] <rue_house> there are a number of cases of groups of people remembering things that apparently never existed
[00:06:11] <rue_house> *sing* sleep
[00:06:14] <rue_house> er
[00:06:17] <rue_house> *ding* sleep
[00:06:19] <rue_house> .
[00:08:31] <rue_bed2> 60hz
[00:08:52] <rue_bed2> 16.67ms
[00:09:12] <rue_bed2> lets say 256 samples
[00:09:38] <rue_bed2> .065ms per sample
[00:09:59] <WormFood> I dial tone simulator would have been nice, back in my satellite hacking days, but I'd just modify the satellite receiver, so it can't dial out, and use the phone system's built-in, dial tone.
[00:10:27] <rue_bed2> 15Khz update rate to the pwm registers
[00:13:07] <rue_bed2> say, 8 bit samples
[00:13:29] <rue_bed2> thats4Mhz
[00:13:46] <rue_bed2> you really need more than 1 cycle
[00:13:50] <rue_bed2> for the filter
[00:14:12] <rue_bed2> so at 16Mhz you can get up to 4 cycles
[00:14:17] <rue_bed2> for60Hz
[00:14:56] <rue_bed2> but you wouldn't need much of any filter if you just used a dac
[00:15:49] <rue_bed2> like the PT8211
[00:16:23] <rue_bed2> or even make one with a 74hc595
[03:58:02] <_ami_> sabor: ping, there?
[03:58:46] <_ami_> sabor: please suggest reliable store to buy original servo motors? Futaba servo motors are good?
[03:59:20] <_ami_> sabor: does it seem original to you?
https://www.flipkart.com/rotobotix-futaba-s3003-servo-motor/p/itme58qrvv8zzayy seems fake to me
[03:59:35] <_ami_> http://www.rcmodelreviews.com/fakefutabaservos.shtml
[04:02:06] <_ami_> http://www.futabarc.com/techsupport/counterfeit.html
[04:06:17] <carabia> _ami_: what are you using them for?
[04:07:30] <_ami_> carabia: i plan to use it in future.
[04:08:32] <carabia> yeea except that's not what i asked
[04:08:39] <_ami_> :)
[04:08:58] <carabia> futabas are one of the best servos i've encountered in doing close to 15 years of rc
[04:09:33] <carabia> that said, they are expensive compared to a lot of nonamers
[04:09:34] <_ami_> well, i need atleast two servos in order to control the spray distance and angle for my automatic watering system for Garden
[04:10:22] <_ami_> i probably need robotic platform too.
[04:10:52] <carabia> tbh for a garden watering control i wouldn't get futabas
[04:11:12] <carabia> just get some nonamers off hobbyking for next to nothing, just make sure they've got metal gears. No need for digital, either.
[04:11:13] <_ami_> carabia: fake ones will do good?
[04:11:39] <_ami_> hmm, okay
[04:11:46] <carabia> you can even get spares for the price for futabas :)
[04:12:47] <carabia> and probably get a bit bigger ones than s3003s
[04:13:36] <carabia> and the robo platform if you need accuracy get digital ones
[04:14:11] <carabia> analog servos never center as good as they do
[04:14:32] <carabia> and for both cases make sure you get servos with metal gears.
[04:15:21] <carabia> plastic gears will strip sooner or later. maybe not so big with the gardening control as the servo would never move all that fast... but even then it's worth it I think.
[04:19:42] <sabor> _ami_: for a watering system i would also use cheap ones, a drowning futaba would hurt too much
[04:26:16] <_ami_> okay, thanks guys! :0
[10:47:42] <spillere> quick question, address 02h, does it mean hex 02?
[10:49:07] <cehteh> yes
[10:49:26] <cehteh> which is the same in decimal and octal :D
[10:53:51] <spillere> cool thanks
[10:54:01] <Chillum> Ternary too
[11:22:14] <carabia> well, in just about any positive base number system, except for binary...
[11:22:27] <carabia> unless you have a fractional base or something wacky
[11:22:37] <carabia> and i'm too tired and dumb to understand negative bases
[12:40:07] <Levitator> Greetings, sweet himies.
[12:40:10] <Levitator> *homies
[12:40:46] <bss36504> haha, hola mi amig[o|a]
[12:45:48] <Levitator> This place is so friendly. There's something about programming language channels that turns them into a cesspit of narcissism.
[12:46:47] <Thrashbarg> yeah ... a lot of the hardware design channels are like that too :/
[12:59:00] <Levitator> I was going to guess that maybe it's because AVR is too entry-level to attract snobs, but then I remembered the C# channel.
[13:01:31] <bss36504> Idk man, I can be a real snob sometimes
[13:01:49] <bss36504> And how dare you imply that this is an amateur channel! /s
[13:02:48] <spybert> yeah, it's terrible. Sometimes I used to go over to #c and actually help people before zhivago could tear them apart. I knew that I ruined the fun for the snobs :-)
[13:03:23] <Thrashbarg> nice
[13:03:30] <cehteh> hehe
[13:03:41] <bss36504> Ive never been over there, what do they tear apart? It's IRC for fucks sake, there's only so much complexity you can have in a question
[13:04:13] <bss36504> I mean, we get plenty of new guys that come in here and ask "How to program avr" and we just ask them to elaborate
[13:04:24] <bss36504> and that's a direct quote, btw
[13:04:36] <spybert> Oh yeah, it's used to be the most unfriendly help channel on irc. They really enjoyed ripping newbies to shreds
[13:04:58] <bss36504> so then what was the point? Just to circlejerk each other over mastering an old language?
[13:04:59] <Thrashbarg> "ENCOURAGE PEOPLE OR WE WILL SQUASH YOU, REALLY!" <-- topic
[13:05:05] <spybert> They were famous, being listed in a number of publications going back to the 1990s
[13:05:26] <bss36504> Oh so it's a bunch of old timers. Snobby old timers
[13:05:31] <bss36504> Sounds wonderful
[13:05:48] <Thrashbarg> heh
[13:06:09] <spybert> Oh, since most problems with programming in c relate to the programming environment and libraries used, they were very carefull to not allow discussion of those things on the channel :-(
[13:08:04] <Thrashbarg> you get that 'snobby old timers' vibe regardless of the age of the group... I mean try asking anything in #linux
[13:08:10] <spybert> no discussion of make files or anything like that :))
[13:08:17] <Thrashbarg> yea haha
[13:08:44] <Thrashbarg> musn't be much discussion there, given how little pure C there is. It's mostly libraries
[13:09:35] <Thrashbarg> "Regarding printf()..." *kick*
[13:10:35] <Levitator> Printf is a hideous invention.
[13:10:46] <Thrashbarg> hehe
[13:11:23] <Levitator> If you are designing a language, and you find that printf is the most elegant way to do something, then you need to conclude that your language design is deficient.
[13:12:24] <Thrashbarg> C was designed for PDP-11's. Anything else was a bonus I guess :P
[13:14:13] <Thrashbarg> I was backing up a number of Betamax tapes for the Australian Computer Society a few years ago, which were all keynote speeches of the 1983 Australian Computer Conference. There were a LOT of interesting points made in all the speeches but this one I thought was pretty funny
[13:14:13] <Thrashbarg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40F-gfwfNG8
[13:14:49] <Thrashbarg> regarding C
[14:52:20] <carabia> more like labeling it funny by force because it's related to x
[17:55:06] <hetii_> Hello :)
[17:55:29] <hetii_> My pcbtank almost done :)
http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/viewtopic.php?p=15975702
[18:01:36] <Tom_L> looks quite familiar.
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/newtank2.jpg
[18:01:56] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/etch3.jpg
[18:02:53] <Tom_L> you could use more bubbles
[18:03:35] <Tom_L> mine has 2 rows to make sure it all gets agitated
[18:04:07] <Tom_L> also i made a lid for mine with a small vent in it so it doesn't splatter all over
[18:04:37] <Tom_L> looks pretty good though
[18:13:53] <carabia> truth to tell i'm not sure if it's a bot
[18:27:46] <aandrew> just drop a couple alka seltzer tablets in there
[18:27:48] <aandrew> no problem
[18:28:38] <eszett> hi
[18:28:50] <eszett> is there an alternative to Atmel FLIP to flash my atmega over USB?
[18:30:27] <carabia> https://dfu-programmer.github.io/ ??
[18:31:01] <carabia> why do you need an alternative though
[18:31:53] <carabia> doesn't the atmel sw run on java, so you can also run it in linblows, for all you commies?
[18:45:06] <ildar> Hi! I'm very new to MCUs. Anybody to answer a few questions?
[18:46:02] <ildar> 1. Is there a site with code samples or libraries for AVR+gcc? Can't find any
[18:49:11] <ildar> 2. I know it's sane but is it possible to e.g. program serial communication trough the pair of GPIOs?
[18:49:50] <carabia> 1. google
[18:50:07] <ildar> 1. been there, don't see any
[18:50:29] <carabia> 2. yes, but all tinys and megas have a hw module for handling serial comms, so you don't have to bitbang it
[18:50:44] <ildar> I mean sites with more then 3 or 8 samples
[18:51:18] <ildar> 2. sure. I know. Just wanted to see what it can
[18:51:44] <carabia> 1. find sample for your application. 2. steal underpants. 3. load application 4. ?? 5. profit
[18:52:01] <ildar> carabia: :) thanks
[18:52:14] <carabia> k
[18:55:27] <Lambda_Aurigae> ildar, there are dozens of sites with code examples out there.
[18:55:31] <ildar> 3. about debugWire: If I have access to it, can I use it without any other hardware?
[18:55:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> do you have a debugger device that supports debugwire?
[18:56:04] <ildar> no :)
[18:56:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> then you can't use debugwire
[18:56:45] <ildar> e.g. can I program another MCU to use dW to debug an MCU?
[18:56:57] <carabia> for debugwire you really oughta get either the avr dragon (used, perhaps?) or the jtagice3
[18:56:57] <ildar> theoretically?
[18:57:14] <Lambda_Aurigae> theoretically, yes
[18:57:24] <carabia> debugwire is proprietary, somewhat reverse-engineered seems to be the common mantra...
[18:57:27] <Lambda_Aurigae> in practice, you have to reverse engineer the debugwire protocol.
[18:57:32] <carabia> so if you can figure it out, go for it
[18:57:35] <ildar> ahhh, I see.
[18:57:45] <ildar> no, not interested :)
[18:57:52] <Lambda_Aurigae> as for examples, look at the datasheet for your chip
[18:58:01] <Lambda_Aurigae> it has code examples throughout in both C and assembly
[18:58:08] <carabia> chances are you shouldn't be needing a real debugger with attinys or megas.
[18:58:20] <Lambda_Aurigae> before doing ANYTHING, I recommend reading the datasheet, cover to cover.
[18:58:30] <ildar> :) it's huge
[18:58:36] <Lambda_Aurigae> that will answer 80% of your questions right off the bat.
[18:58:43] <Lambda_Aurigae> no it's not.
[18:59:01] <Tom_L> if you don't like google to search use bing. then you will love google
[18:59:10] <ildar> :))))
[18:59:17] <carabia> altavista is the bomb, I think
[18:59:18] <ildar> I love searchers
[18:59:20] <Lambda_Aurigae> atmega1284p datasheet is only 372 pages
[18:59:42] <Lambda_Aurigae> that's like, 4 days of lazy reading.
[18:59:44] <carabia> Lambda_Aurigae: yeah and it has a lot of pictures!!
[18:59:54] <Lambda_Aurigae> 2 hours a day at most.
[18:59:56] <Lambda_Aurigae> yeah.
[18:59:56] <ildar> And it's fun
[18:59:59] <ildar> :)
[19:00:05] <Tom_L> if i had printed docs for all the chips i've worked on, i wouldn't fit in my office
[19:00:18] <Lambda_Aurigae> when I started with atmel, I ordered my chips, then grabbed the datasheets and read them while the chips were in shipping.
[19:00:23] <ildar> ok, got it. You guys convinced me
[19:00:37] <carabia> oh hey, one more thing ildar :)
[19:00:42] <Tom_L> i've got their cd of pdf's if you want
[19:00:44] <Lambda_Aurigae> don't read it the first time like you are trying to memorize it.
[19:00:47] <ildar> ?
[19:00:48] <Lambda_Aurigae> read it like a fun novel.
[19:00:55] <carabia> (skip the avrs, go for pic32! :) ) *shhhh*
[19:00:55] <Tom_L> it's dated now though
[19:01:05] <Lambda_Aurigae> Tom_L, yeah, I have that dvd iso too.
[19:01:10] <Lambda_Aurigae> missing a lot of the newer chips.
[19:01:24] <ildar> :)
[19:01:28] <Tom_L> they quit doing it because they want the web traffic
[19:01:30] <carabia> or better yet, go arm :) *shhh*
[19:01:45] <ildar> yeah, I like them better
[19:01:58] <carabia> no A-bullshit though.
[19:01:59] <ildar> but need to get familiar with AVR
[19:02:08] <Lambda_Aurigae> arm has its place, as does pic, pic32, msp430, and 8052 chips.
[19:02:19] <Lambda_Aurigae> avr is, in my opinion, the easiest to learn on overall.
[19:02:26] <ildar> guys, no fighting! please!
[19:02:32] <ildar> :)
[19:02:36] <Tom_L> nobody is
[19:02:37] <Lambda_Aurigae> fight?
[19:02:38] <ildar> thanks anyway
[19:02:40] <Tom_L> i will win
[19:02:45] <Lambda_Aurigae> we only fight over C vs C++
[19:02:49] <carabia> news at 11 - arm has its place, and its everywhere. Arm, arm everywhere.
[19:03:20] <Lambda_Aurigae> but I I have 4 8051/2 chips within arms reach of me in the living room in mass produced devices.
[19:03:23] <Tom_L> they are pretty cheap
[19:03:40] <carabia> no-one likes 8051s tho
[19:03:45] <Lambda_Aurigae> I do!
[19:03:46] <Tom_L> rue does
[19:03:56] <Lambda_Aurigae> I love the memory interface.
[19:04:00] <carabia> okay, 2 out of a lot of people
[19:04:03] <Lambda_Aurigae> great for memory mapped i/o devices.
[19:04:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> haha...wifey is playing facebook games on her new 15 inch "tablet" computer.
[19:04:25] <Tom_L> weren't those used in alot of keyboards?
[19:04:25] <Lambda_Aurigae> a lenovo flex 3
[19:04:42] <Lambda_Aurigae> Tom_L, yup..keyboards and tv remotes
[19:05:09] <carabia> yeah, they're in a loooot of places
[19:05:14] <Tom_L> ok i forgot why i sat down here
[19:05:29] <Tom_L> oh... i need to find a USB external case the size of a ssd
[19:05:46] <Tom_L> i've got plenty of ssd to put in it
[19:06:31] <Tom_L> holy crap those are chep
[19:06:32] <Tom_L> cheap
[19:06:46] <ildar> allright, so there's no well-known code heap for AVR? just Google...
[19:06:49] <Tom_L> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminium-2-5-USB-3-0-SATA-HDD-Hard-Drive-Disk-External-Case-Enclosure-Black-/400972415164?hash=item5d5bd180bc:g:nCwAAOSwWfFXkN0Q
[19:06:59] <carabia> ildar: there is actually
[19:07:08] <carabia> it's called the atmel software framework
[19:07:08] <ildar> em?
[19:07:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> Tom_L, gimme a sec...got some on newegg cheaper.
[19:07:27] <Lambda_Aurigae> they are only usb 2.0 though.
[19:07:43] <Tom_L> cheaper than 8 bux?
[19:07:49] <Lambda_Aurigae> yup
[19:08:03] <carabia> then again, ASF is kind of like ass sex (I suppose, hearsay), though it never gets any better than what you began with
[19:08:04] <Tom_L> usb 3 would be desireable
[19:08:12] <Tom_L> since i'm gonna use it for photo publishing
[19:08:15] <Lambda_Aurigae> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0VN-0003-000H3
[19:08:22] <Lambda_Aurigae> they are screwless plastic jobbies.
[19:08:42] <Tom_L> for a buck more i think i'll go with the aluminum case
[19:08:48] <Lambda_Aurigae> and usb 3.0
[19:09:18] <Lambda_Aurigae> but,,,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9083AY7788
[19:09:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> for your laptop
[19:09:29] <Lambda_Aurigae> yank that never used cd/dvd drive
[19:09:36] <Lambda_Aurigae> and put a second harddrive in its place!
[19:10:10] <Tom_L> naw one laptop has no dvd and the other 3 are surface pro 3
[19:10:23] <Lambda_Aurigae> my wife's laptop didn't have a dvd player either
[19:10:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> but it has the slot
[19:10:29] <Tom_L> oh btw...
[19:10:31] <Lambda_Aurigae> and a plastic dummy in place.
[19:10:34] <Tom_L> i HATE windows 10
[19:10:42] <Lambda_Aurigae> yanked that,,,and the drive bay fit right in.
[19:10:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> I hate windows period
[19:10:50] <Tom_L> hah
[19:10:51] <Lambda_Aurigae> but 10 is just horrid.
[19:10:56] <Tom_L> it's good for some things
[19:11:01] <Tom_L> just like linux
[19:11:03] <Lambda_Aurigae> for pissing off tech.
[19:11:14] <ildar> allright, thanks guys. I'll try to do something. See ya!
[19:11:24] <Tom_L> i hate the fact they force it on us
[19:11:34] <Lambda_Aurigae> no force on me.
[19:11:39] <Lambda_Aurigae> I run linux on my computers.
[19:11:43] <Tom_L> if you buy a new laptop they do
[19:12:07] <Lambda_Aurigae> that's why the first thing I do is refuse the EULA and start the battle to get my 30 dollars back.
[19:12:10] <Lambda_Aurigae> have done it twice now.
[19:12:11] <Tom_L> i see few that _come_ with linux by default
[19:14:34] <Tom_L> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-SATA-2-5-Inch-Hard-Drive-External-Enclosure-HDD-Mobile-Disk-Box-Case-/222248831349?hash=item33bf100975:g:Nx4AAOSwFdtX18VO
[19:14:51] <Tom_L> i doubt it's aluminum
[19:15:01] <carabia> plastinium
[19:15:49] <Tom_L> how the hell do they do it?
[19:16:44] <carabia> they melt it, they form it. Clever bastards those chinese people.
[19:19:12] <carabia> Lambda_Aurigae: what about your missus? Is she a commie too?
[19:21:32] <Lambda_Aurigae> partially.
[19:21:43] <Lambda_Aurigae> her new tablet-puter is winblows 10 for the moment.
[19:21:47] <carabia> what does that mean? dual boot? :;D
[19:21:55] <carabia> oh.
[19:22:00] <Lambda_Aurigae> will make a backup flash from it and see what linux does on it this weekend.
[19:22:05] <Lambda_Aurigae> her other computers are linux.
[19:22:32] <Lambda_Aurigae> mother-n-law's computer is linux too.
[19:22:40] <Lambda_Aurigae> I refuse to support windows.
[19:22:50] <Lambda_Aurigae> so if they run windows they have to take them to someone else for tech support.
[19:22:51] <carabia> richard stallman would be quick to correct you young man
[19:22:57] <Tom_L> what linux do you run?
[19:23:01] <Tom_L> debian?
[19:23:07] <Lambda_Aurigae> I run debian
[19:23:10] <Lambda_Aurigae> they run ubuntu
[19:23:13] <carabia> how do you run it?
[19:23:24] <Lambda_Aurigae> on my computer.
[19:23:24] <carabia> do you put a leash on it, or how exactly.
[19:23:40] <Tom_L> i named my dog 7 miles
[19:23:44] <carabia> I'd rather take my linux on a nice evening stroll rather than a run.
[19:23:47] <Tom_L> i walk 7 miles every day
[19:23:52] <Lambda_Aurigae> this latest one is a nice asus i7
[19:24:08] <Lambda_Aurigae> just started the process of getting a microsoft tax refund.
[19:24:12] <carabia> s/on/for
[19:25:13] <Tom_L> that case _should_ support a regular 2.5" hdd i bet
[19:25:26] <Tom_L> i've got plenty of those around too
[19:25:31] <Lambda_Aurigae> depends on what you mean by regular...some are thicker than others.
[19:25:39] <Tom_L> voltage wise
[19:25:49] <Tom_L> yeah i'm sure these would physically fit
[19:25:58] <Lambda_Aurigae> should be fine there power wise.
[19:26:16] <Tom_L> i'll try one and see if i like it first
[19:26:19] <carabia> you must have your mother-in-law to bestow such a burden upon her
[19:26:22] <Lambda_Aurigae> 2.5 inch SATA drives don't need the 12V anymore.
[19:26:28] <Tom_L> right
[19:26:39] <Lambda_Aurigae> carabia, inlaws moved in with use 3 years ago!
[19:26:48] <Lambda_Aurigae> of course I can't stand them..hehe
[19:26:57] <carabia> oh holy hell
[19:27:03] <Lambda_Aurigae> made them their own apartment out of 1/3 of my house.
[19:27:09] <Lambda_Aurigae> and put up a wall between us!
[19:27:19] <carabia> similar one to trump's?
[19:27:27] <carabia> 20 feet high, min?
[19:27:29] <Lambda_Aurigae> wifey won't let me put a lock on the door though.
[19:27:31] <carabia> perhaps even 40
[19:27:46] <Lambda_Aurigae> no, but it is nice and thick with lots of insulation for soundproofing.
[19:28:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> father-n-law is kinda hard of hearing and likes footfuckingball....turns it way up.
[19:28:05] <carabia> when the inlaws send their people, they don't send the best...
[19:28:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> so I made sure I couldn't hear it when the sliding door(also constructed for soundproofing) is closed.
[19:28:22] <Tom_L> get him some headphones
[19:29:03] <carabia> oh holy hell mary mother of jesus, I'd wish he'd at least watch some real sports.
[19:29:36] <Lambda_Aurigae> brother-n-law has learned that I don't support his sports addiction.
[19:29:55] <Lambda_Aurigae> he asked to borrow my projector to watch "the big game"
[19:30:06] <Lambda_Aurigae> so I loaned it to him.
[19:30:11] <carabia> is that the soup per ball?
[19:30:19] <Lambda_Aurigae> he came back to ask how to get TV on it.
[19:30:38] <Lambda_Aurigae> I told him it didn't have a tuner, it was for connecting to a computer, not the tv.
[19:30:51] <Lambda_Aurigae> by the time that all came around, the game was on and it was too late.
[19:30:57] <Lambda_Aurigae> yeah...the stupidbowl.
[19:31:46] <Lambda_Aurigae> I didn't tell him I had a digital tv tuner that would hook to it..
[19:31:56] <Lambda_Aurigae> but, then again, I'm a bastard!
[19:32:58] <Lambda_Aurigae> thankfully the inlaws go south for the winter...so 6 months out of the year we can have noisy sex without worrying who might hear.
[19:34:06] <carabia> while lining up all the laptops and blasting out pornhub, on linux, and the socialism-aspect only brings more excitement to the act.
[19:35:00] <Lambda_Aurigae> I was thinking more along the lines of testing the bushwacker.
[19:35:50] <carabia> or both
[19:36:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> bushwacker = weedwacker motor powered sybian.
[19:36:51] <Lambda_Aurigae> I made one for a group of sexual deviants back about 18 years ago...to take with them on nudist weekend campouts.
[19:37:27] <carabia> my sybian's powered with a 50cc 4-stroke
[19:38:07] <carabia> at first I figured i'd go cheap with a 2-stroke, but then shit started getting really oily and so on, and 4-stroke has the added benefit of not being so loud :)
[19:39:41] <Lambda_Aurigae> we were gonna make a next step up model..the bushwacker-2000...but never got the riding lawnmower to rip apart...then I moved.
[19:42:25] <carabia> great minds think alike
[19:46:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> I figured that with the bushwacker-2000, no guy would ever have to mow the lawn again!
[19:47:14] <Lambda_Aurigae> or, at least, no straight guy.
[19:47:24] <carabia> i think there could still be a valid market segment for such an application
[19:47:35] <Lambda_Aurigae> of course.
[19:48:16] <carabia> Lambda_Aurigae: oh surely, and all the males willing to drive my wacker would be kept at arm's length, minimum
[19:49:55] <carabia> maybe husqvarna or some other big player would be willing for a joint venture
[19:50:36] <carabia> the funding and so on would probably have to be cleverly juggled as i'm not sure whether a company in such a standing wants their name to be associated with "bushwacker 2k"
[19:52:56] <Lambda_Aurigae> wasn't it Stihl that had the warning in Europe? "Do not attempt to stop chain with genitals."
[19:53:27] <carabia> i've got a stihl chainsaw as a matter of fact
[19:54:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> Husqvarna here.
[19:54:46] <carabia> i think they're the only two brands worth buying, really
[19:56:01] <Lambda_Aurigae> wife has her own electric chainsaw.
[19:56:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> think it's a homelite.
[19:56:16] <carabia> never had an electric one
[19:56:25] <Lambda_Aurigae> it works rather well actually.
[19:56:38] <carabia> oh yeah?
[19:56:59] <Lambda_Aurigae> we cut up a dead tree a couple weeks back with it...thing was 24 inches at the base.
[19:57:05] <carabia> though, for me the chainsaw is for occasional tree-falling down on the summer place, and chopping.
[19:57:13] <Lambda_Aurigae> just add oil for the chain and away you go.
[19:57:43] <carabia> cut. as in, cutting. not falling?
[19:57:45] <Lambda_Aurigae> I have some nice 100 foot 12g extension cords that work well for it.
[19:58:01] <Lambda_Aurigae> we cut the tree into bite size bits for the splitter.
[19:58:05] <carabia> yeah.
[19:58:15] <Lambda_Aurigae> it would work for falling a tree too.
[19:58:28] <carabia> I think i'll trust my stihl better.
[19:58:34] <carabia> But I'll keep that in mind
[19:58:45] <Lambda_Aurigae> yeah...the 16 inch husq works well...no cord to deal with.
[19:59:03] <Lambda_Aurigae> the electric is a 16 inch as well.
[19:59:55] <carabia> what about, how long could you cut with it continuously before the coil laminate fries?
[20:01:57] <Lambda_Aurigae> dunno but we cut for close to an hour when we cut up that tree...from the big hunks down to the little limbs.
[20:02:15] <carabia> also, can't really have an electric chainsaw at the summer place, there's a 250m winding road through the woods to get to the place
[20:02:31] <Lambda_Aurigae> no power?
[20:02:32] <carabia> well it's really just cutting the body that matters
[20:03:05] <carabia> oh sorry I didn't finish, ha
[20:03:30] <carabia> there's the occasional fall-storms and so on, and sometimes you find trees laying on the forest road
[20:03:38] <Lambda_Aurigae> aahh.
[20:03:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> and no genny in the back of the truck.
[20:03:51] <carabia> trees big as such you couldn't even get past them with a truck
[20:04:11] <Lambda_Aurigae> that's what the roll of det cord is for.
[20:04:13] <carabia> had a small genny, but brother's got it right now, with no apparent intent to return it
[20:04:39] <carabia> I think you need a legit use-case and a permission to get det cord over here.
[20:04:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> yeah
[20:04:48] <Lambda_Aurigae> so?
[20:04:49] <carabia> and blasting trees off the road doesn't qualify
[20:04:50] <Lambda_Aurigae> hehe
[20:05:15] <Lambda_Aurigae> there's plenty of ways to make your own blowy-uppy-stuff.
[20:05:22] <carabia> though, it's my old man's old place, decades ago they shot rocks off with semtex
[20:05:31] <carabia> maybe there's some left somewhere.
[20:06:02] <carabia> sure, but I think having the chainsaw is more... how to put it? practical?
[20:06:03] <Lambda_Aurigae> we used to blast stumps with black powder, flash bulbs, and baby food jars.
[20:06:40] <Lambda_Aurigae> 100 feet of wire soldered to the flash bulb...drill hole in bulb and fill with black powder...
[20:06:45] <carabia> yeah, sparks
[20:06:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> wrap in black tape
[20:06:52] <carabia> old trick
[20:06:54] <Lambda_Aurigae> not sparks...
[20:07:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> magnesium wire filled flash bulb.
[20:07:10] <carabia> well yeah, lights it anyway.
[20:07:20] <Lambda_Aurigae> put bulb in jar full of powder and wrap in tape..
[20:07:28] <Lambda_Aurigae> dig hole under stump and blast away.
[20:07:42] <Lambda_Aurigae> if a babyfood jar don't work, use a mayonaise jar full!
[20:08:19] <carabia> of course
[20:11:12] <carabia> either or, i'll stick with the chainsaw!
[20:14:42] <carabia> i was gonna hit the sack an hour ago...
[20:17:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> same here.
[20:17:38] <Lambda_Aurigae> playing a game of WoD over on another net.
[20:19:11] <scoy> how can i make a copy of a character array that's defined as volatile without being warned about "assignent discards 'volatile' qualifier ..."?
[20:19:45] <scoy> so the volatile character array is built using a USART interrupt that stuffs characters onto the end of it.
[20:20:11] <scoy> while it's building the non-ISR code wants to check it to see if a certain string has appeared.
[20:20:35] <scoy> it's in this non-ISR code that i tried to use the volatile character array when i see this warnings.
[20:20:55] <scoy> i basically just want to make a copy of it and see if that substring is there yet
[21:04:47] <squelch> Is there such a thing as a program that allows me to model a task scheduler? Examine worst case execution times for tasks, what periods they run at, and where timer overruns may occur, etc?
[21:12:00] <squelch> I want to be able to model a concurrent state machine managed in a microcontroller by a task scheduler. I need to be able to visualize how tasks might run into each other with respect to their periods and the worst case execution time of each state machine.
[21:32:01] <rue_house> you do not want to multitask on an 8 bit 16 mips microcontroller
[21:32:21] <rue_house> unless its just for school
[22:11:28] <squelch> rue_house it is just for school, that's so, but i figure it would be useful to have some tool to model that sort of multitasking for when i do work on something more powerful anyway
[22:28:24] <rue_house> when your on something more powerfull, linux is your multitasking kernel
[22:33:00] <squelch> rue_house, surely there are practical usecases for a simple concurrent state machine in a microcontroller like an atmega1284
[22:33:58] <squelch> it'd be a bit of a waste of resources if i bought a seperate microcontroller for every single individual task
[22:38:01] <rue_house> tasks can be a bit broad, but yea, mid sized microcontrollers are a waste of resources, you either need dedicated io controllers for realtime tasks or multitasking controllers for high letency volume processing
[23:01:08] <sabor> squelch: just let a 16bit timer run and read its counter before and after a function call
[23:04:25] <squelch> i'm just trying to model the tasks in a simulator
[23:04:36] <squelch> create a graph of when tasks run, identify timer overflow
[23:04:46] <squelch> account for jitter
[23:04:47] <squelch> etc
[23:11:54] <squelch> I suppose I could cook something up to do that myself in python or c++
[23:12:07] <squelch> if it's really that unusual a usecase
[23:41:33] <_ami_> one of the mistake i do sometimes is that my program does not have sei() :P . quickly, i code all the logic in no time and flash the mcu with some confidence that it should work in first try! :P
[23:45:54] <Casper> now, imagine, back in the old days, you would have burned a one time only chip, now you need to remove it and use a new 10$ chip
[23:46:11] <sabor> i had a habit to forget increasing the loop counter, though on *IX, kill -11 always gave me the hint ;)
[23:59:58] <_ami_> Casper: i can imagine their frustration then. :)
