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[00:50:30] <_ami_> Is there any way to use --gc-sections and keep a specific section?
[00:51:33] <_ami_> if i use --gc-sections, __attribute__((section(".myinfo"))) code does not create .myinfo section in elf.
[13:04:14] <Lambda_Aurigae> When you ask if I think there's intelligent life anywhere else in the universe I question your inclusion of the word 'else'.
[13:06:16] <carabia> Indeed, to prevent spending exceedingly large amounts of money on a nonsense project such as that, I suggest they'd first search this planet thoroughly.
[13:07:19] <carabia> leave no stone unturned... Maybe they'd strike gold...
[13:09:45] <antto> or a power cable
[13:09:58] <antto> or a water pipe :/
[13:10:02] <carabia> Or both.
[13:10:06] <antto> >:)
[13:11:16] <carabia> Heh, dug down power cables, I wish. 200 000 homes blacked out last weekend, cause the power companies over here like to post cables up on poles and draw them through the thickest of forests (cheapest solution). Huge storm, a lot of trees falling on the lines, pow.
[13:11:20] <antto> are we saying that animals are not inteligent? ;P~
[13:11:23] <carabia> Here, in finland
[13:12:15] <carabia> After 200k homes go down, the power up procedure will be slow even after the cables are back up. I'd imagine they power them up area by area...
[13:12:44] <specing> they don't repair all the cables at once carabia
[13:12:54] <carabia> specing: I do know that aswell
[13:13:24] <Lambda_Aurigae> I prefer to leave no turn unstoned...much more fun with my slingshot that way.
[13:13:24] <specing> so ... 1).fix one area 2) move elsewhere 3) repeat until done
[13:13:43] <carabia> specing: yesh
[13:14:08] <carabia> one of the problem was also they couldn't get choppers in air due to the strong winds
[13:14:49] <carabia> so it's kind of a catch-22. You won't get blackouts without storms, and during a storm you won't get copters either.
[13:15:29] <carabia> The solution would be to have a clearing margin on both sides of the lines, but of course not, too expensive.
[13:16:35] <Lambda_Aurigae> only ever seen a copter used for power lines once and that was when they were redoing some super high voltage lines near here.
[13:16:54] <Lambda_Aurigae> I know they do it in remote areas but I've never lived that remote.
[13:17:51] <carabia> Out on the countryside here you pretty much have to use a copter if you want a reasonable timeframe. After 12(? ... iirc) hours of blackout the clock starts running for compensations to customers
[13:21:41] <specing> carabia: it does?
[13:21:58] <specing> iirc only business customers have contract clauses for compensation
[13:21:58] <carabia> what does?
[13:22:00] <specing> not home
[13:22:15] <carabia> specing: where do you live?
[13:23:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> specing, depends on the country I'm guessing.
[13:23:11] <carabia> yes, it does.
[13:23:22] <specing> slovenia
[13:23:42] <carabia> specing: yeah, you can't generalize it. There's actually legislation that governs it over here.
[13:24:04] <specing> that is nice
[13:24:32] <carabia> the legislation covers blackouts > 12 hrs, and the amount is tied to the transmission cost
[13:24:37] <specing> 12-16h is about the time that refrigerators can still keep the things refrigerated
[13:25:07] <carabia> depends on the weather, and so on. If you keep them closed, you might get ~12 hrs
[13:25:37] <carabia> Also the power company we use at our summer place has its own compensation clause that covers blackouts > 6 hrs
[13:25:59] <carabia> the compensation is much less, basically a discount applied to the bill over the next 6 months
[13:26:22] <Lambda_Aurigae> offer something free and people are less likely to want more.
[13:27:35] <specing> carabia: my fridge is rated for 16h
[13:28:16] <carabia> Yeah, well it's something, it's a nice gesture if nothing else. (the 6-hour compensation), this fall-time over there is quite storm-prone, ergo it's very blackout-prone as it's in the middle of the woods
[13:29:06] <carabia> specing: sure, depends on the fridges too.
[13:29:24] <carabia> and specing there's no way in hell you'll get 16 hours if you open it and so on...
[13:30:07] <specing> indeed
[13:30:22] <specing> but if you are !dumb then you don't open the fridge after power fails
[13:30:35] <carabia> yeah, too bad if you get the munchies
[13:30:46] <Lambda_Aurigae> go to mcdonalds!
[13:31:35] <carabia> mcdonald's not having power either!!! will they flip the burgers on a bonfire out on the backyard???
[13:31:57] <carabia> I'm sure they aren't trained(tm)(c)(r) to do that.
[13:32:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> ok...burger king...flame broiled!~
[13:32:47] <carabia> Yeah. I could use a double whopper with extras right about now.
[13:32:50] <Lambda_Aurigae> when I movied out to the boonies of backwoods Iowa, the first thing I bought for the house was a generator.
[13:32:58] <Lambda_Aurigae> used it once in 8 years for the house.
[13:34:13] <carabia> Got a generator, used it a quite a few times but right now it was being borrowed by someone else.
[13:35:01] <_ami_> these LM327 USB Cable works well on linux? anybody has experience with it? will it work with honda city car obd2 port?
[13:35:02] <carabia> Only really use it for lighting, the nights get so fucking dark you can't see a damn thing.
[13:35:23] <specing> I'd love if fridges were made for 12V so you could run them of car battery in emergencies
[13:35:29] <Lambda_Aurigae> I use mine mostly in the workshed across the street instead of getting separate power run there.
[13:35:38] <specing> with a 220V->12V PSU for mains
[13:35:40] <Lambda_Aurigae> specing, I have one. came out of a van-camper conversion.
[13:35:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> tri-power
[13:35:53] <Lambda_Aurigae> 120V, 12V, propane.
[13:36:26] <specing> I'm talking about normal house kitchen fridges
[13:36:27] <carabia> Yeah, the ultimate solution is to get a gas fridge
[13:37:32] <carabia> You can just get an inverter. If you really want
[13:38:17] <specing> inefficient
[13:38:47] <carabia> well, sure but they're okayish, you aren't expecting to run it for days.
[14:01:09] <carabia> back. _ami_ eww, can-bus is like a... can... of worms :(
[14:04:43] <_ami_> carabia: i think the clone ones won't work well.. as its still using initial firmware when lm327 is launched
[14:04:50] <_ami_> source: wiki
[14:05:04] <_ami_> wanted to confirm with someone who already used it?
[14:07:39] <carabia> _ami_: No idea. The implementations vary between makes, models, and years... Ew.
[14:07:55] <_ami_> sucks :/
[14:09:05] <carabia> Hardware-level should be quite uniform, I think. There's 3 (or 4 or 5 or whatever) different interfaces I think. No idea, I once struggled with brand new MB models (last E-class and the newest E-class). I'm not going back there. 's like vietnam.
[14:10:04] <carabia> Beyond hardware-level it starts to get jungleish. I think there's people over here more experienced (and knowledged) than I am.
[14:15:08] <_ami_> carabia: ok
[14:15:37] <_ami_> time to sleep though. will check tomorrow if its really worth to give a shot.
[14:15:56] <_ami_> thanks for sharing past experiences
[14:17:46] <grog_l> ive got a chinese USBasp, can get it to talk but need to update firmware so i can slow it down but it doesnt have a self-programming jumper
[14:18:18] <grog_l> does it still program the same way, or am i SOL? gonna try using an Uno to program it
[16:08:06] <Lambda_Aurigae> grog_l, it would be programmed just like any avr...you just have to make the ISP connections.
[17:52:04] <grog_l> Lambda_Aurigae: putting it that way, makes sense, it is just an atmega8 after all
[17:53:45] <grog> ..with 'firmware' being a fancy term for the code to burn
[17:54:54] <carabia> it's kind of like the definition, though
[23:07:48] <carabia> morning _ami_
[23:08:03] <carabia> bright new day for diggint into can-buses?
[23:08:14] <carabia> digging*
[23:14:49] <_ami_> carabia: i am a night owl :)
[23:15:00] <_ami_> btw, good morning.
[23:15:22] <_ami_> I am in office. :P doing middleware/software work instead. :P
[23:28:25] <carabia> _ami_: middleware, for what?
[23:28:56] <_ami_> carabia: UIFW. EFL lib.
http://enlightenment.org/
[23:34:22] <carabia> _ami_: phones or?
[23:34:42] <carabia> or well I guess you're just doing the middleware and don't really care for that
[23:34:50] <carabia> ?
[23:36:36] <_ami_> no, i care too much abt EFL.
[23:36:44] <_ami_> EFL was my first passion though :)
[23:37:12] <_ami_> i am one of committer there.
[23:37:57] <_ami_> https://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/commit/?h=devs/ami/eina --> working on implementing license mechanism for EFL modules so that non-GPL and GPL co-exist together.
[23:42:28] <_ami_> have to add doc abt the macros.. I hate writing docs :/
[23:46:49] <_ami_> carabia: TVs
[23:57:00] <dgriffi> rue_house: I'm looking for a way to play two sine waves at audio frequencies