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[13:24:09] <owl-v-> no attiny102/104 on avr-gcc ??
[13:29:44] <owl-v-> no attiny4/5/9/10, too???
[13:30:00] <owl-v-> brew avr-gcc ....
[13:42:05] <bss36504> the 102/104 are new right?
[13:42:32] <bss36504> what version of avr-gcc are you using? I would imagine the version that ships with Atmel studio supports them, which means you could get it elsewhere...
[13:42:35] <bss36504> just my guess anyway
[13:57:50] <owl-v-> brew is like 'apt-get' for OSX
[13:58:19] <owl-v-> avr gcc 4.9.3
[15:27:30] <ferdna> i need cctv cameras... anyone knows a good place to get'em?
[15:29:14] <specing> you might find some in London
[15:30:43] <ferdna> specing, is that website? a store?
[15:31:17] <ferdna> i currently got two of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231343661299?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
[15:31:23] <ferdna> for testing
[15:38:26] <CasperAtWork> Has anyone played with accelerometer here for precision stuff?
[15:44:39] <ferdna> CasperAtWork, use your phone accelerometer... there are some apps that let you get raw data from it...
[15:44:42] <ferdna> xD
[15:44:54] <ferdna> does pokemon go counts?
[15:44:58] <gjm> throw it somewhere
[15:45:02] <gjm> and watch
[15:45:05] <CasperAtWork> if I follow what my phone can do, it is total junk
[15:45:20] <CasperAtWork> I need 0.075° precision :D
[15:46:02] <ferdna> nop
[15:50:00] <CasperAtWork> so I guess I need 12 bits/1G....
[15:50:19] <CasperAtWork> so really looking at a... 13-14 bits one...
[15:50:23] <CasperAtWork> yikes....
[15:56:46] <ferdna> 1.2 gigawatts!!!
[16:10:39] <CasperAtWork> there is some not expensive 14 bits ones... so I guess it is really a +/- 13 bits..., 2G so 12 bits... need slightly more than 10bits/g... I think...
[16:11:52] <ferdna> expensive is around 20 dllrs
[16:11:59] <ferdna> for an accelerometer
[16:16:31] <_ami_> int. osc. of avrs are really crap :P
[16:16:42] <_ami_> calibrated one also not that good. :/
[16:16:48] <_ami_> crystal wins -
[16:24:25] <learath> _ami_: crystals are *really really* good
[16:24:59] <_ami_> learath: indeed, it is. i realized after playing a bit with calibrated t85s.
[16:25:41] <_ami_> t85s were behaving unreliable across different test cases.
[16:25:54] <_ami_> it is an eye opener for me at leasr.
[16:25:57] <_ami_> least*
[16:26:45] <specing> _ami_: I had no problems running vusb on intosc alone
[16:26:54] <specing> tiny45 iirc
[16:27:21] <learath> really interesting - a plot of ~1000 mostly fake epson crystals -
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/472/107/9c19c871279e54e9a678cbd84ed9dafe_original.png?w=639&fit=max&v=1471987408&auto=format&lossless=true&s=2f78c3b70216c6422b95b728a6aef4f4
[16:27:26] <learath> does that link work?
[16:28:25] <_ami_> learath: yes, link works
[16:28:39] <_ami_> how to recognize the fake ones?
[16:28:50] <learath> well, the 3 main batches are very obvious
[16:28:58] <learath> I don't know which is which
[16:29:12] <learath> the way the fakes were determined there is the manufacturer was contacted
[16:29:15] <learath> and said "we didn't make that"
[16:29:46] <Tom_itx> or they're denying it
[16:29:51] <CasperAtWork> bought on ebay?
[16:30:17] <learath> CasperAtWork: purchased by seedstudio
[16:30:20] <_ami_> learath: how did you do plotting? just curious
[16:30:25] <learath> not mine
[16:30:31] <learath> from a kickstarter I backed
[16:30:34] <learath> that got shafted
[16:30:35] <_ami_> since i bought 100 of crystals from aliexpress recently.
[16:30:52] <CasperAtWork> ah they probably bought it from those china fleet market then
[16:30:53] <learath> well, the good news, is even fake crystals are within... what?
[16:30:55] <learath> a few %?
[16:31:13] <_ami_> wow, cheaters
[16:31:15] <learath> that's a 40mhz crystal, and that entire chart is +15khz/-36khz
[16:31:31] <learath> the entire spread is 40khz
[16:31:43] <_ami_> oh boy
[16:31:46] <_ami_> lies
[16:31:53] <_ami_> sue them
[16:32:22] <learath> _ami_: that's.. unlikely to lead to a good outcome
[16:32:51] <_ami_> specing: try to add more features, then u see.
[16:33:15] <learath> but for narrow band RF, that isn't good enough
[16:33:24] <learath> so the workaround is to put in a calibration constant
[16:33:29] <learath> kind of brililant really
[16:33:40] <learath> and a good feature to have.
[16:34:12] <learath> seed owes the guy who designed it money, but I don't know if it's enough to be worth trying to get out of them./
[16:44:29] * CasperAtWork wonders where to get a good motor and gears to make a linear actuator... hmmm
[16:45:15] <CasperAtWork> actually 4 of them... one with feedback, the others will be accelerometer feedback...
[16:46:59] <CasperAtWork> might have to macine myself the stuff somehow,, hmmm....
[16:51:52] <specing> CasperAtWork: openbuilds maybe?
[16:51:59] <specing> search for C-beams
[16:54:26] <CasperAtWork> I always have issues finding the motor and gears... in the past it stopped me on a few projects, but now... I have a welder, it help alot
[16:54:40] <CasperAtWork> and if things goes to plan, I may have a cnc later on
[17:08:21] <Tom_itx> how big?
[17:11:32] <CasperAtWork> small
[17:11:47] <CasperAtWork> probably a 2x4 max, possibly smaller
[17:12:11] <CasperAtWork> one plan is to make a cnc to make some solid wood kitchen cabinet doors
[17:24:22] <CasperAtWork> math time... in an ideal world, threaded rod, 100lb pull force, 10tpi, would result in 10lbin with a 1" radius gear right?
[17:24:28] <cehteh> why cnc for kitchen?
[17:25:21] <cehteh> i mean woodworking usually dont need a CNC :D .. would be nice but needs a quite big CNC
[17:25:47] <CasperAtWork> 2x4' as I said shall work
[17:26:24] <Tom_itx> belt drive
[17:26:38] <cehteh> also you would like to plane/sanding surfaces, which is the most laborsome work
[17:26:49] <CasperAtWork> belt yes, but I mean the calculations are right?
[17:27:54] <Tom_itx> http://bell-everman.com/products/linear-positioning/servobelt-linear-sbl
[17:50:56] <ferdna> Tom_itx, those things must be expensive
[17:52:24] <CasperAtWork> lol... this web site is disastrous... non-html compilant, all of their accented characters are wrong, the layout is broken...
[17:52:35] <CasperAtWork> and their captcha? it ask me to write "potato"
[17:52:41] <CasperAtWork> ... it goes well with the site
[18:04:16] <ferdna> CasperAtWork, what site?
[18:08:47] <CasperAtWork> http://www.metauxsolutions.com/soumission.php
[18:09:19] <CasperAtWork> http://www.metauxsolutions.com/index.php <== is actually the main page and the main issue
[18:39:25] <ferdna> CasperAtWork, lol... that is true
[19:13:32] * Casper shakes ferdna
[19:13:34] <Casper> hi ya
[20:06:15] <ferdna> Casper, hey
[20:09:36] <Casper> hey hey hey lolita ....
[20:09:57] <Casper> (you probably know that old song, I guess)
[20:10:02] <ferdna> nop
[20:12:49] <Casper> hmm
[20:13:00] <Casper> I'm sure I heard it in english... can't find
[20:13:55] <ferdna> lol
[20:14:03] <Casper> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn7LGP9rO0w well it's that song
[20:14:27] <Casper> but that ain't the original... hmmm
[20:14:45] <Casper> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NywjG9PS3tQ <=== THAT'S the one I know
[20:15:18] <Casper> with a more than questionnable music video
[20:18:05] <Casper> ...
[20:32:09] <ferdna> LOL
[20:32:16] <ferdna> Casper, thats beetlejuice song!
[20:32:59] <ferdna> here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic87SfqQAAM
[20:34:38] <ferdna> ohh he is canadian
[21:52:12] <owl-v-> avr-libc/2.0.0 yet it has no attiny10 support ...
[22:27:33] <owl-v-> how can I replace avr-libc with
https://github.com/vancegroup-mirrors/avr-libc/tree/master/avr-libc
[22:33:57] <owl-v-> ah... looks like crosspack-avr is very old (2013)
[22:37:20] <owl-v-> where can I get up-to-date avr-libc from??
[22:43:31] <rue_house> they still make that?
[22:47:50] <owl-v-> i think they stopped making avr tools
[22:51:47] <rue_house> yea, its called gcc, and your favorite C editor
[22:51:54] <rue_house> and avrdude
[22:52:30] <owl-v-> avr-libc 2.0 is released on 15 Feb 2016, but no attiny4,5,9,10 support ...
[22:57:02] <ferdna> use eclipse with the avr plugins
[22:57:06] <ferdna> that is what i use
[23:09:08] <rue_house> owl-v-, then write it
[23:09:15] <rue_house> obviously nobody else is
[23:09:39] <rue_house> you will be a hero
[23:11:00] <owl-v-> what about this one?? -->
https://github.com/vancegroup-mirrors/avr-libc/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=attiny10
[23:15:46] <owl-v-> rue_house:^
[23:19:07] <rue_house> closes I use a tiny13
[23:19:14] <rue_house> t
[23:21:54] <owl-v-> lol my avr-libc actually has iotn10.h !!
[23:22:17] <owl-v-> buy why I can't do 'avr-gcc -mmcu=attiny10' ??
[23:24:30] <rue_house> too small for C
[23:24:34] <rue_house> you have to write in assembler
[23:25:09] <rue_house> even the t13 can be hit and miss
