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[00:00:47] <flyback> BMCC
[00:00:55] * flyback runs over Casper
[00:01:22] <flyback> Deskwizard, Casper funny story abou what you talking about
[00:01:23] * Casper forces a chocolate mint in flyback's mouth
[00:01:27] <flyback> so this guy in plain clothes
[00:01:31] <flyback> robs a pharmcy
[00:01:35] <flyback> passes her a note
[00:01:38] <flyback> get this
[00:01:45] <flyback> does it again 3-4 times
[00:01:49] <flyback> doesn't change clothes
[00:01:53] <flyback> cover his face etc
[00:02:09] <flyback> so the last time he does it the pharmcist hits him with pepper spray
[00:02:11] <flyback> BEAR
[00:02:12] <flyback> GRADE
[00:02:13] <flyback> PEPPER
[00:02:14] <flyback> SPRAY
[00:02:18] <Deskwizard> lmfao
[00:02:23] <Deskwizard> I just remembered another
[00:02:25] <flyback> cops found him easily after his folks had to drive him to er
[00:02:46] <Deskwizard> remember the two idiots that tried to pass as black men painting their face with permanent markers ? :P
[00:02:48] <flyback> personally he deserved a bullet to the head for threatening thelives of people there but i'm fine with a good ass kicking
[00:02:56] <flyback> hopefully he learned from the pain
[00:03:31] <Casper> Deskwizard: there is also another one that duct taped his face... and hair...
[00:03:39] <Casper> very fast to remove after!
[00:03:43] <flyback> Deskwizard, did you hear about the suicide bomber last week
[00:04:00] <flyback> guy blew himself up on a plane trying to kill everyone only he blew a hole in the plane and it only sucked his ass out
[00:04:03] <flyback> everyone else survived
[00:04:40] <Casper> more a jackass than a kamikaze
[00:05:20] <flyback> pepper spray is awesome btw
[00:05:37] <flyback> prevented many humans and animals from making life ending decisions
[00:05:42] <flyback> so they didn't have to be put down
[00:10:11] <Deskwizard> flyback: LMFAO oh man, so well deserved...
[00:10:25] <Deskwizard> if we talk about random idiot now, I have my LOCAL top 2..
[00:10:57] <Deskwizard> Number 2) guy goes over frozen lake with his snowmobile, ice breaks, he goes down, barely survives...
[00:11:23] <Deskwizard> goes back home and gets 2nd snowmobile to try to get the first one out, ice breaks, guy drowned.
[00:11:31] <Deskwizard> and thats my top one, honestly...
[00:11:46] <Deskwizard> Guy was making pipe bombs, decider to solder the end caps...
[00:11:49] <Deskwizard> 'nough said.
[00:12:16] <cehteh> only smart terrorists survive :D
[00:15:07] <Deskwizard> cehteh: those two guys, same pretty small town near here. its like where they congregate... I had more but I forgot them with time hehe
[00:15:14] <Deskwizard> cehteh: very true hehe
[00:22:53] <Casper> http://imgur.com/gallery/0mQNHxk <=== instant karma
[00:25:42] <flyback> good for the cat
[00:26:15] <flyback> I watched this guy washing car idiot neighbors let their mad pit bull escape and he went for the guys throat, guy hit him with bear spray
[00:26:18] <flyback> dog did a 180
[00:26:29] <flyback> he stunk so bad he drove everyone out of the house
[00:27:20] <Deskwizard> Casper: LOL nice, she deserved it
[00:27:36] <flyback> or the mailman shouldn't be in fear of his life every time he knocks on a door
[00:27:54] <Casper> flyback: how do you find the theif I described earlier?
[00:30:57] <flyback> theif?
[00:31:36] <Casper> the 1-8 thing
[00:31:43] <Casper> theif 101
[00:32:24] <flyback> yeah funny
[00:32:37] <flyback> night
[00:39:06] <Casper> nite
[00:43:33] <Deskwizard> 'night
[00:44:36] <anonnumberanon> I don't unde4rsatnd sentence 3 of this:
http://www.atmel.com/webdoc/AVRLibcReferenceManual/group__util__delay_1gab20bfffeacc678cb960944f5519c0c4f.html
[00:44:51] <anonnumberanon> The maximal possible delay is 768 us / F_CPU in MHz.
[00:44:56] <anonnumberanon> It makes no sense.
[00:45:06] <Casper> it does make sense
[00:45:07] <cehteh> why not?
[00:45:09] <anonnumberanon> 768/1000000?
[00:45:13] <Casper> no
[00:45:16] <Casper> in MHz
[00:45:18] <anonnumberanon> assuming 1 Mhz
[00:45:18] <Casper> not in hertz
[00:45:24] <Casper> 768/1
[00:45:34] <anonnumberanon> oh
[00:45:37] <cehteh> thats just the max value where the some internal value would overflow
[00:45:37] <anonnumberanon> thanks
[00:45:50] <cehteh> and ... do not use the delay functions :D
[00:46:04] <anonnumberanon> The timer counter overflows?
[00:46:07] <Casper> well do use the delay function, but avoid it
[00:46:25] <Casper> each call of _delay_*() add the full code
[00:46:29] <anonnumberanon> Why? I'm looking into replacing the Arduino micros() function.
[00:46:32] <Casper> and is interruptable
[00:46:38] <Casper> it is a busy loop
[00:47:12] <anonnumberanon> What is the alternative?
[00:47:40] <Deskwizard> anonnumberanon: I have millis equivalent, you want to see and play with timers to make it do uS instead?
[00:48:30] <Casper> avoid delay if possible, but it is not always possible
[00:49:03] <anonnumberanon> What if I cli() before calling delay?
[00:52:01] <anonnumberanon> I want to maek an extremely accurate PWM, I use micros() right now to calculate and decide when i lower the wave.
[00:52:42] <Casper> accurate pwm? go 16 bits timer
[00:54:52] <cehteh> use hardware pwm
[00:55:28] <anonnumberanon> no you don't get enough PWMs with that
[00:55:51] <cehteh> i know some code which does hand codes assembler software pwm, but that should be an exception
[00:56:32] <cehteh> you an use some assisted hardware/software pwm .. but it will most likely drift a bit
[00:56:47] <anonnumberanon> I've seen that I believe on a quadruped.
[00:57:50] <cehteh> free running hardware timer and loop reading and comparing the hw register against your software pwm values
[00:58:03] <cehteh> 16 bit or 8 bit?
[00:59:03] <anonnumberanon> was months ago when i took a look don't remember
[01:01:02] <Casper> anonnumberanon: 8 bits ain't enought?
[01:01:09] <anonnumberanon> Yeah I'm reading the avrfreaks guid carefully I will ujderstand all this well. I'm currently where they talk about 8 bit and 16 bit widths for the circuits
[01:02:48] <cehteh> what are you planning to do?
[01:03:02] <cehteh> there are atmels with a lot hardware pwm channels
[01:03:34] <cehteh> somone here told me one can do PWM on almost any output pin
[01:04:08] <anonnumberanon> well
[01:04:11] <anonnumberanon> yeah, i've done it
[01:04:20] <cehteh> when you need that then you better look for the approbiate hardware than going lengths around it with wrong hardware
[01:04:33] <anonnumberanon> but then you look at it and find jitter, that is unrelated to which pin you use (or maybe it is actually)
[01:04:49] <cehteh> its all up to your programming
[01:05:39] <cehteh> if you need it jitter free then you either use hardware pwm or very well written code, maybe even asm without any interrupts
[01:06:30] <anonnumberanon> oh it's for driving the 17 servos of my robot that you see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdXDg9PtzY
[01:07:20] <cehteh> nice one
[01:07:30] <anonnumberanon> thanks!
[01:07:51] <anonnumberanon> yeah the harder it is the more I'm likely to do, i'll write the relevant parts in asm
[01:07:58] <cehteh> how about some attinys as servo drivers? all on one i2c or spi bus?
[01:08:24] <anonnumberanon> You're asking me to put an attiny in each of my servos?
[01:08:39] <cehteh> or servos which speak sbus or anything other digital instead crappy ppm
[01:08:51] <cehteh> yeah
[01:09:38] <anonnumberanon> That brings success way farther than it feels it is right now. (success is taking a controlled step without falling)
[01:10:19] <cehteh> 17pwm's stretch the limit a bit,
[01:10:29] <cehteh> but servos dont need *that* jitter free anyway
[01:10:51] <cehteh> while you need 16bit for sure, 8 bit wont be enough
[01:10:55] <anonnumberanon> They can have 5 us of deadband and it's fine. but i have a bit more i think.
[01:11:14] <anonnumberanon> micros() is based on timer0 or timer1?
[01:11:26] <cehteh> no idea
[01:11:37] <cehteh> arduino lib is that?
[01:12:14] <anonnumberanon> Timer0
[01:12:24] <anonnumberanon> Yeah it's the micros() of Arduino.
[01:12:31] <cehteh> i think the arduino libs are too unreliable for that
[01:12:39] <cehteh> you dont know exactly whats going on
[01:12:52] <cehteh> and dont get hard realtime
[01:12:55] <anonnumberanon> Yeah that's why I'm moving away from them, and to learn deep into this stuff.
[01:13:14] <anonnumberanon> So I'm implementing my own serial and getting into making my own micros().
[01:13:52] <cehteh> i'd really go the way with one tiny per servo
[01:14:00] <cehteh> that will be much more easy
[01:14:16] <anonnumberanon> but..easy is irrelevant
[01:14:20] <cehteh> your arduino will prolly have a shitload processing to balance that robot
[01:14:29] <anonnumberanon> only success and innovation matter
[01:14:41] <cehteh> doing some hard realtime pwm along may be hard
[01:14:43] <anonnumberanon> yes..sigh...
[01:15:07] <anonnumberanon> well i didn't rule out having several chips talking to each other
[01:15:41] <anonnumberanon> which is my current solution to the problem that controlling via wireless messes up my PWMs for some reason
[01:15:50] <cehteh> of course
[01:15:57] <cehteh> thats exactly what i expect
[01:16:33] <anonnumberanon> ill have a chip receiving wireless and sending serial to the actual driver chip, that way at least i can control the driving of pwm without "interrupt"ion.
[01:16:56] <anonnumberanon> maybe that's the thing, in the lib i have for wireless there are interrupts thatf fire during my PWM loop...
[01:17:02] <cehteh> serial is interrupt driven, isnt it?
[01:17:10] <anonnumberanon> I don't want to find out because the lib is like 800 lines fo code.
[01:17:11] <cehteh> almost for sure
[01:17:52] <anonnumberanon> Yeah but i can turn off interrupts when I want them off.
[01:18:02] <anonnumberanon> That trick did not work for the wireless problem.
[01:19:29] <cehteh> even when you turn interrupts on and off you may get some jitter because evntually the piled up interrupts have to be handled
[01:20:30] <cehteh> with serial or wireless you dont know when a interrupt happens (except you can reduce the baudrate to reduce the load)
[01:25:17] <anonnumberanon> okay
[01:25:33] <anonnumberanon> ill do some test cases i have to do some serial experiments very soon
[01:25:47] <anonnumberanon> just read all the theory so far haven't actually tested it
[01:26:06] <anonnumberanon> i was thinking of timing it synchronously within a certain time window
[01:26:30] <cehteh> with careful programing it might be possible
[01:26:32] <anonnumberanon> im sending 17 numbers from 0 to 3000 basically
[01:26:41] <cehteh> but will take a lot efforts
[01:26:45] <anonnumberanon> yeah i can't wait to try
[01:27:45] <cehteh> the lucky thing is that you always have a 1000µs window where no change is on the servos .. and then after 2000µs you can use the rest of the frame to do some processing
[01:28:09] <cehteh> what rate do you use for the servos? 50hz? 400hz?
[01:28:22] <anonnumberanon> I have 19 milliseconds to do stuff or just about
[01:28:24] <anonnumberanon> 50hz
[01:28:35] <cehteh> that leaves a lot time to do some processing
[01:28:42] <anonnumberanon> the rest is 3 ms in which to do the pwm
[01:28:59] <cehteh> but when the servos are due you have to do that with uttermost priority and exactness
[01:29:25] * cehteh can already imagine how this could be done
[01:29:25] <Deskwizard> https://github.com/deskwizard/AVR_CodeReference look at the 3 file that start with CodeRefernce
[01:29:29] <anonnumberanon> yeah, meaning all the values must be refreshed prior to that window
[01:29:44] <anonnumberanon> it was nice talking to you i have to go to bed, thanks for these great insights
[01:29:57] <anonnumberanon> Deskwizard, thanks ill save the link for when i get into it
[01:30:47] <Deskwizard> anonnumberanon: no worries, keep in mind its a WIP and some things might be buggy, I already changed a lot, but the part you might be interested in hasnt
[01:31:16] <Deskwizard> (and I'm learning as well :P)
[01:31:17] <anonnumberanon> I'll have to make my first uart stuff and then i can probably understand your thing
[01:31:43] <anonnumberanon> the goal being to keep uart activity within a certain time frame
[01:31:57] <anonnumberanon> im sure it won't be too hard, but hard yes..
[01:31:59] <Deskwizard> anonnumberanon: you could have a look at mine to compare afterwards just for kicks
[01:32:02] <anonnumberanon> and a lot to learn
[01:32:10] <anonnumberanon> I'll do that.
[01:32:12] <Deskwizard> that version doesnt have the improvements cehteh suggested though.
[01:34:55] <rue_bed> everyone is avoiding the servo controller code I wrote like its the plauge
[01:35:36] <anonnumberanon> It's not understandable. Does only 8 pwms, so that means you want me to use 3 micros :) ?
[01:35:37] <rue_bed> 24000 position counts from .5ms to 2.5ms
[01:36:10] <anonnumberanon> I don't want to "use something" I want to make it.
[01:36:33] <rue_bed> a) the pwm timing is all done in hardware timers, 1 low rez timer for the start trigger, 1 high rez timer for the interval
[01:37:00] <rue_bed> b) the serial is all done in the main loop so that there are no interrupt priority cnflicts
[01:37:23] <rue_bed> thats it
[01:37:36] <rue_bed> there are no glitches cause there are no timing conflicts
[01:38:05] <anonnumberanon> Yeah so i would want something like yours in the end.
[01:38:14] <rue_bed> there is the highest resolution cause its a 16 bit timer clocked to the max possable for the timing duration without overflowing
[01:38:43] <cehteh> rue_bed: you use 2 timers or change the prescaler of one timer?
[01:38:51] <rue_bed> I use two
[01:39:02] <cehteh> bit excessive :D
[01:39:11] <rue_bed> one of them starts the next pwm channel, one of them times the pulse
[01:39:24] <rue_bed> nobody has written anything better for an avr
[01:39:47] <cehteh> says the author :D
[01:39:56] <cehteh> but well .. doesnt sound bad
[01:40:11] <rue_bed> I think it could be bumped to 10 channels, anymore than that and you have interrupt conflicts that will cause timing glitches
[01:40:12] <cehteh> i'd just consider to use only one timer
[01:40:18] <rue_bed> no
[01:40:45] <rue_bed> one timer dosn't do both types of timing properly
[01:40:57] <rue_bed> and you dont understnad interrupts and timing glitches
[01:41:05] <cehteh> i do
[01:41:08] <rue_bed> THE CODE i WROTE IS NOT A GOD DAMNED LIBRARY
[01:41:14] <rue_bed> its an app
[01:41:17] <cehteh> heh
[01:41:28] <rue_bed> YOU CANNOY ADD MORE FFF***ING CODE TO IT AND NOT HAVE TIMING GLITCHES
[01:41:40] <rue_bed> so it dson't matter how many god damned timers I used
[01:42:02] <Deskwizard> lmfao someone is taking it personal...
[01:42:08] <cehteh> yes .. doung *exact* timing is not trivial
[01:42:21] <Deskwizard> rue_bed: I promise, if I ever use servos, I'll use your app, okay?
[01:42:34] <cehteh> but hey for servos, some 100ns glitches are perfectly acceptable
[01:42:36] <rue_bed> its for a fffing $3 board that gives you up to 4 boards on one serial bus with 8 servos each that have 24000 REAL DAMNED COUNTS of position accuracy with NO FFFING TIMING GLITCHES
[01:43:07] * anonnumberanon grabs popcorn
[01:43:31] <rue_bed> the glitches may not be enough to cause a position differnce, but if it throws off the controller loop, the servo will twitch
[01:43:40] <rue_bed> tick tick tick.... tick ... tick tick...
[01:43:44] <cehteh> i yet want to see a servo with 24000 positions accuracy
[01:43:59] <rue_bed> you wont
[01:44:03] <rue_bed> noody cares
[01:44:08] <cehteh> but it was my suggestion too to use dedicated controllers for the servos
[01:44:30] <rue_bed> you might as well use the boards on ebay that give you less than 7 bits
[01:44:34] <cehteh> in my suggestion one tiny for each servo .. but one big controller driving 8 or more servos will do as well
[01:44:47] <cehteh> or .. why o why dont he use sbus servos
[01:45:15] <anonnumberanon> or..."digital servos" as they call them
[01:45:26] <cehteh> digital servos are not digital on the input
[01:45:33] <rue_bed> while your at it, balance your whole damned project on top of a servo with a plastic shaft
[01:45:35] <cehteh> only the positioning is digital
[01:45:51] <rue_bed> or better yet, attach but DONT balance it
[01:46:00] <rue_bed> nobody else does
[01:46:22] <anonnumberanon> cehteh> but hey for servos, some 100ns glitches are perfectly acceptable
[01:46:25] <cehteh> i like that idea ... but its really hard
[01:46:30] <anonnumberanon> 2.5us is acceptable
[01:46:45] <anonnumberanon> if shitty 5us deadband servo
[01:46:46] <rue_bed> tick tick tick
[01:46:48] <cehteh> that are 25* 100ns ... :)
[01:46:48] <rue_bed> tick
[01:46:52] <rue_bed> tick tick
[01:47:12] <anonnumberanon> cehteh, why
[01:47:50] <cehteh> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__46055__Futaba_BLS172SV_SBus2_HV_Ultra_Torq_Programmable_Servo.html
[01:47:56] <cehteh> 17 of thoses .. yes please :D
[01:48:12] <anonnumberanon> hahaha
[01:48:21] <anonnumberanon> $159
[01:48:24] <rue_bed> its funny really, usually I'd just make my servos
[01:48:31] <rue_bed> I need to do more of that
[01:48:32] <anonnumberanon> im using $8 servos
[01:48:42] <rue_bed> use up my motor and gears
[01:48:45] <cehteh> i hope at least metal gears
[01:48:52] <anonnumberanon> yeah metal gears
[01:49:00] <anonnumberanon> 12kg.cm torque
[01:49:10] <anonnumberanon> they are a bit weak though, the case is plastic
[01:49:23] <anonnumberanon> I may or may not start making my own cases in the future.
[01:50:11] <cehteh> you riding the horse backwards anyway .. i agree with rue_bed .. first you should have tried to make some balancing stick with 2 or 3 servos and write software for that
[01:50:38] <anonnumberanon> yeah i made a quadcopter already
[01:50:44] <anonnumberanon> that's that part
[01:51:22] <anonnumberanon> prolly going to user the same IMU for the robot
[01:51:33] <cehteh> huh .. how does a quadcopter relate to a robot?
[01:51:42] <anonnumberanon> balance
[01:52:01] <cehteh> yeah but there are much differences
[01:52:15] <anonnumberanon> but yeah, it will be a real tough challenge to figure out how to balance it
[01:52:38] <anonnumberanon> I have some ideas.
[01:52:40] <rue_bed> ass backwards
[01:53:08] <rue_bed> you put the body where you want it, and move the legs to where they have to go to support it there
[01:53:23] <rue_bed> I doubt you will understand that tho
[01:53:36] <rue_bed> so, carry on, carry on
[01:55:22] <anonnumberanon> have some faith in my power
[01:55:57] <rue_bed> give your robot something to help its feet not slip around everywhere
[01:56:07] <rue_bed> even you would have trouble walking in that
[01:58:08] <anonnumberanon> When the time come I'll have the best mat for robot walking that can be had.
[01:58:36] <anonnumberanon> I will gradually decrease friction to up the challenge.
[02:28:44] <rue_bed> an air table works well
[05:06:25] <nikomo> If you have no prescale on timer, the output should just be system clock right? So 8MHz system clock with no prescaler should end up with 8MHz PWM? exchanging some words with a PIC user
[05:06:37] <nikomo> that's how I understood it
[05:07:36] <cehteh> not really
[05:07:50] <cehteh> the pwm counts at that clock then
[05:08:20] <cehteh> with a 8 bit counter you get 8mhz/256 for example (when you use the full 8 bit)
[05:09:53] <nikomo> now I get it
[05:11:30] <nikomo> so no prescale, with the internal osc (8Mhz), I end up with 31.25kHz
[05:12:16] <cehteh> yes
[05:13:33] <nikomo> I knew I had to be doing something wrong since with some prescaling, I saw the LED flicker
[11:21:24] <nikomo> Had trouble remembering pin names once in a while. This'll fix that.
https://i.imgur.com/ekeyPCM.jpg
[11:21:50] <LeoNerd> Mm..Looks similar to my BotThoughts one
[11:21:56] <LeoNerd> I have the full range of *tiny chips :)
[11:43:12] <julius> hi
[11:43:14] <julius> on this audio amplifier board:
http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Amplifier-Board-TDA7850-4X50W-4-Channel-Car-Audio-Amplifier-Board-12V-AV-Interface/32343569177.html if the 4 green connectors are for the 4 speakers, why are there 4 chinch connectors? wouldnt you only need two chinch for stereo input?
[11:56:48] <cehteh> 4 channel
[11:56:55] <cehteh> each independet ...
[13:44:55] <CasperAtWork> julius: the 4 rca is the inputs
[13:45:14] <CasperAtWork> the speakers are the screw terminals, and most likelly do not share a common ground
[13:46:07] <CasperAtWork> often when there is no negative voltage available what they basically do is put one amplifier on each pin, and "idle" at half the voltage
[13:46:58] <CasperAtWork> need to output +5V? then output Vground - 2.5 on one side and Vground + 2.5 on the other, the speaker see +5V now
[13:47:05] <CasperAtWork> Vground being VCC / 2
[13:47:18] <CasperAtWork> (google virtual ground for more info)
[14:18:20] <Jartza> yea
[14:18:30] <Jartza> I had a board that needed +5V and -5V
[14:18:40] <Jartza> I only had 9V power source
[14:19:28] <Jartza> I figured I have LM317
[14:19:40] <Jartza> so I made 4.5V regulator out of it
[14:19:45] <Jartza> and used that 4.5V as ground :)
[14:19:57] <Jartza> seems the board was happy with -4.5V and +4.5V
[14:48:35] <CasperAtWork> sometime a simple 2 resistors and 2 capacitors work fine
[18:07:16] <rue_bed> 2 transistors and an op-amp as a tracking controller on a resistor voltage vivider
[18:07:26] <rue_bed> but, sure
[21:25:36] <Chillum> ohh neat www.digikey.ca/en/product-highlight/a/atmel/megaavr-pb-devices
[22:15:13] <Deskwizard> Chillum: Yeah! I just put one on my next order list just for kicks
[22:15:27] <Deskwizard> havent looked at it in more details but I have time for that later hehe
[22:15:34] <Chillum> nice to see a classic get an upgrade
[22:15:58] <Chillum> I love the extra USART
[22:16:22] <Chillum> wake up on serial too!
[22:17:19] <Chillum> ohhh faster serial
[22:17:31] <Deskwizard> Chillum: I think the old one already had wake on uart though, but I didnt see the second uart at first glance, thats awesome!
[22:17:38] <Deskwizard> also? damn, im getting more than 1 then
[22:21:41] <Chillum> yup, just added one to my order. Was getting some shunt resistors anyways. .1ohm 1% 3 watt bad boys
[22:23:31] <Deskwizard> oh OH
[22:23:35] <Deskwizard> real men resistors
[22:23:36] <Deskwizard> hehehe
[22:24:08] <Deskwizard> add usb and put in DIP please
[22:24:09] <Deskwizard> lol
[23:22:38] <Deskwizard> Chillum: I actually bought stuff to try things for cap sense today, timely released they are :P
[23:23:27] <Chillum> never fiddled with that, sounds fun
[23:24:30] <Deskwizard> me neither :) sounds fun indeed
[23:24:41] <Deskwizard> Im interested of the thickness I can detect through hehe
[23:25:05] <Deskwizard> and I was gonna make a device with like 8 buttons... not sure they will be physical, will be WAY easier lol
[23:25:43] <Chillum> There are tricks to make them more sensitive, you can have it go off when you are inches away
[23:26:47] <Chillum> errrI think I am confusing it with a different principal than capacitance
[23:26:49] <Chillum> neverymidn
[23:37:42] * flyback bites Deskwizard
[23:37:44] <flyback> CANUCK
[23:39:05] <Deskwizard> Chillum: actually from what I know, what you said was correct about capacitive, at least capacitive touchscreen as used in phones and tablets
[23:39:13] <Deskwizard> lmfao flyback
[23:39:20] <cehteh> few use resistive
[23:39:21] * Deskwizard taps flyback on top of the head
[23:39:23] <Deskwizard> let go!
[23:39:26] <flyback> heheh :)
[23:39:31] <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bb00M1NXmw <--- nsfw hahahahaha
[23:39:39] <Deskwizard> cehteh: indeed, I have both for fun
[23:39:42] <Deskwizard> also, canada.
[23:39:46] <cehteh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBfrBgL2E
[23:39:58] <Deskwizard> capacitive with gloves and -20, yeah, not likey
[23:40:00] <cehteh> resitive is cool in some ways
[23:40:20] <cehteh> works with gloves and in cold
[23:40:22] <Deskwizard> cehteh: yeah, they both have their place if you ask me, just differents
[23:40:27] <cehteh> *but* there are also downsides
[23:40:39] <Deskwizard> exactly, I bought the resistive for the car since it was, well... outside in the cold
[23:41:04] <Deskwizard> but capacitive is way better tracking wise and capability wise
[23:41:42] <cehteh> and works with hard glass surfaces
[23:42:44] <Deskwizard> oh okay, I didnt know resistive wouldnt, thanks for the info :)
[23:43:32] <Deskwizard> Chillum: I found the nicest little case for little low power battery operated project
[23:43:36] <Deskwizard> totally by accident lmao
[23:43:44] <Chillum> link?
[23:43:47] <Deskwizard> I didnt even buy what I thought I was
[23:44:04] <Deskwizard> I dont think I'll find a link, comes from the local dollar store, but gimme a min, ill take pics :)
[23:44:08] <Chillum> always looking for good project cases
[23:44:13] <Deskwizard> I was like, wait, fuck this is amazing lol
[23:44:13] <Chillum> ah, thanks
[23:44:25] <Deskwizard> I'm going back tomorrow ill get at least 10
[23:44:30] <Deskwizard> they 2$ CND each
[23:44:40] <Deskwizard> and you even get parts to play with!
[23:44:41] <Deskwizard> lol
[23:44:57] <Deskwizard> abeit very simple, limited one, trust me on that...
[23:45:11] <Deskwizard> but still, nice case and free parts, battery holder molded in
[23:45:21] <Deskwizard> I was like, wow I'm brilliant and I didnt even know
[23:45:30] <Deskwizard> lol aight, I stfu and click click
[23:45:53] <cehteh> tuppertronics ftw
