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[00:43:19] <mark4> can anyone tell me where i can find a direct download for the avr toolchain (gnu tools) for windows without registering for atmel spam ?
[00:48:26] <Thrashbarg> mark4: try putting a space in the fields
[00:49:27] <mark4> does that work?
[00:49:45] <Thrashbarg> depends on the site. A lot of them don't bother checking
[00:50:13] <Thrashbarg> sometimes you get sites that email you the link to the download, which means you need to enter correct details
[00:50:36] <mark4> atmels site it wants you to register to download almost everything
[00:50:42] <Thrashbarg> yeah
[00:50:44] <mark4> the spaces dont work
[00:50:54] <Thrashbarg> right if it's registration then it won't
[00:51:07] <Casper> bugmenot.com?
[00:51:09] <Thrashbarg> sometimes it's just an extra step to collect your detials
[00:51:13] <mark4> i downloaded winavr but it does not look like atmel studio 6 useds it
[00:51:14] <Thrashbarg> Casper: I had forgotten about that
[00:51:44] <Casper> the site that shouln't exist but should...
[00:51:50] <mark4> they arent getting any of my details ever. im of half a mind to email their marketing morons from a throw away email address
[00:51:51] <Thrashbarg> lol
[00:52:30] <Thrashbarg> they'll probably throw back some crap about it "improving the customer experience" :P
[00:52:38] <mark4> what is bugmenot?
[00:52:48] <Thrashbarg> a collection of logins for various sites
[00:52:58] <mark4> no. it improves their market research and adds emails to their spam lists which they sell
[00:53:18] <Thrashbarg> exactly but they won't admit that
[00:53:53] <Casper> even if they don't sell the list... it will be used internally
[00:53:53] <vsync_> i tried brazzers.com
[00:54:04] <vsync_> it's "barred from bugmenot system"
[00:54:05] <Casper> and selling a list is more and more and more risky
[00:54:07] <vsync_> :-(
[00:54:53] <mark4> yea thats cool but in this case its not helping me. i click on the login link and it takes me to a totally blank page.
[00:55:09] <mark4> no fucking way im removing my netshit blockers
[00:56:20] <mark4> you will never EVER convince me that ANY company that demands you login to download their free producrs can be trusted with ANY information at all
[00:56:29] <Thrashbarg> lol yea
[00:57:08] <vsync_> mark4: you haven't seemed to have calmed down at all
[00:57:20] <vsync_> would you mind starting to take those chill pills? or seeing a therapist?
[00:57:38] <Thrashbarg> lol
[00:57:44] <mark4> vsync_, i have lol
[00:59:15] <mark4> so can avr studio 6 use winavr?
[00:59:23] <mark4> if so.. how do i configure it to use it?
[00:59:51] <mark4> because atmels assembler is pure suckage in the macro department, even WORSE than gnu;s which is also horrendously bad
[01:00:19] <Casper> mark4: atleast it's more trustable than sony
[01:00:34] <mark4> casper dont insert that dvd! lol
[01:00:48] <mark4> i blacklisted everything sony since the rootkit fiasco
[01:01:09] <Thrashbarg> I've got a lot of sony gear
[01:01:13] <Thrashbarg> mind you it's all analog
[01:01:35] <mark4> sony used to be good. the rootkit is unforgivable. they can never be trusted again
[01:01:46] <Thrashbarg> yup
[01:02:02] <mark4> but i need a gnu assembler in atmel studio and i cant get the official tools
[01:02:22] <Casper> mark4: oh I'm not worried about a dvd
[01:02:29] <Casper> but the ps4 network with credit card
[01:02:35] <Casper> they regularly get hacked
[01:02:46] <Casper> and they PROFIT from that hacking
[01:02:49] <mark4> casper the dvd isnt rootkited any more, they got their ass handed to them
[01:03:09] <mark4> and yea their security is somewhat lacking
[01:03:15] <Casper> by not refunding the fraudulent charge and blocking your account if you dispute the charges in any way
[01:03:33] <mark4> but if i were a customer and they lost my credit card info i would file an action against them personally and take them to the cleaners
[01:04:18] <Thrashbarg> heh most courts are a battle of funds
[01:04:23] <Thrashbarg> whoever runs out first looses
[01:04:31] <mark4> casper they can only do that because people do not understand the absolute power they have in court, file an action and NO judge or anyone else can make a ruling in any way shape or form for you unless you LET THEM
[01:05:02] <Casper> mark4: yes and no
[01:05:08] <mark4> Thrashbarg, only because people employ a member of the bar corporation. dont hire any members of the bar corporation
[01:05:11] <mark4> not EVER lol
[01:05:23] <Casper> you agree when you sign up that you agree to not get any refund
[01:05:26] <mark4> just have to learn common law
[01:05:35] <mark4> casper that contract is not binding
[01:05:43] <Casper> so you would have to first prove that this is not a legal thing
[01:06:09] <Casper> second, you need to prove that you took all the required mean to protect your password
[01:06:11] <mark4> 'casper actually in a court of record YOU are the judge, you decide everything
[01:06:23] <mark4> so you simply have "the court" rule in your favor on that count
[01:06:32] <Thrashbarg> mark4: Sony et al have hurds of lawyers working to leverage as much as possible out of everyone without exposing the company to reprocussions
[01:06:45] <mark4> if the magistrate makes any rulings you fine him for contempt, im actually about to do this, just pluckiing up the courage.
[01:07:09] <Casper> mark4: I do think you got it wrong
[01:07:12] <mark4> Thrashbarg, the MORE lawyers they send against me in my court of record the happier i will be lol. well.. its still daunting
[01:07:50] <mark4> casper i have studied this for 4 years, i already have an action written against the state of wisconsin, the milwaukee district attorney, the milwaukee sheriff and two judges
[01:08:07] <mark4> ill be filing my action in federal court in dallas... i just have to go there and deliver it by hand
[01:08:07] <Casper> even if you do manage to somehow win (which you won't), then they will countersue, until you go bankrupt
[01:08:38] <mark4> casper they cant counter sue, this IS a counter suite in response to an action they have against me where they have zero jurisdiction
[01:08:53] <Casper> mark4: just written? good luck
[01:08:54] <mark4> but this is off topic, hang on
[01:09:07] <mark4> casper ive been writing it for 4 years. ive not rushed this
[01:09:45] <Casper> and you know you have a timelimit to do any action right?
[01:09:47] <mark4> go to youtube and watch every vodeo by a guy called bill thornton on common law
[01:09:51] <Casper> possibly 5 years
[01:09:58] <mark4> no. thats called a "statute" of limitations
[01:10:04] <mark4> there is no LAW of limitations
[01:10:12] <Casper> common law scammers group you mean?
[01:10:17] <mark4> i.e. the law is lever limited
[01:10:25] <mark4> ok if you say so
[01:10:51] <mark4> about those gnu dev tools... can i atmel studio 6 to use winavr?
[01:10:55] <Casper> and isn't that the bill that scam people and lost his lawer licence? or is that another bill?
[01:11:12] <mark4> no he was lever a lawyer
[01:11:19] <mark4> never a member of the bar corporation
[01:11:49] <Casper> ... you better talk to a real lawer I think...
[01:12:35] <mark4> no. i know not. this will go one of 2 ways. ill get $50,000 a day for every day ive been constructivly imprisoned by them (4 years) or ill go to jail
[01:12:49] <mark4> but about those tools?
[01:13:03] <vsync_> oh wow.
[01:13:07] <vsync_> chill man. chill.
[01:13:14] <mark4> you keep saying that lol
[01:13:23] <Thrashbarg> maybe he has a point
[01:13:36] <mark4> im not PISSED OFFF today :)
[01:13:41] <Casper> vsync_: I am unsure if he's a troll now or if he's just extremelly misinformed...
[01:14:18] <mark4> casper how about we concentrate on getting gnu tools for avr installed and used by atmel studio 6?
[01:14:48] <mark4> and just to say something in my own defense. how many yeas have you put into studying LAW?
[01:15:37] <Casper> enought to know you won't win 50k$/day, but ends up in the red by a few times that
[01:15:52] <mark4> i need a gnu toolchain. will atmel studio use winavr?
[01:16:04] <mark4> casper no. its not costing me a single dime. its call indgent status
[01:16:11] <mark4> they cant charge me one dime
[01:16:46] <mark4> 4 years out of work because of a vindictive prosecuition and once you claim their prosecution was vindictive they literally have to PROVE it was not
[01:17:20] <mark4> but srsly, about the tools?
[01:17:31] <mark4> if i had a download link for the official tools that would work
[01:17:39] <Casper> talk to a lawer
[01:17:47] <Casper> then come back for the tools
[01:17:49] <mark4> i know its possible to bypass the login if you know the url
[01:18:07] <vsync_> Casper: Yeah :)
[01:19:59] <Casper> now... I need to sleep, but... as always, I'm not tired
[01:20:01] <mark4> so what your saying is your not going to / cant help
[01:20:08] <Casper> I was 3 hours ago...
[01:20:38] <Casper> mark4: since you said you refuse to disable your adblocker, you are unhelpable
[01:20:53] <mark4> casper k
[01:23:01] <vsync_> i would surely count on a fellow named bill thornton posting videos on the internet to sue a state, a district attorney, a sheriff and two judges.
[01:23:09] <vsync_> He's got it spot on.
[01:23:35] <vsync_> but the real crux isn't sueing the said people, the real crux is netting that $50k a day for said wrongdoings
[01:23:46] <vsync_> I guess this just demonstrates good ole 'murica
[01:24:25] <vsync_> you seem to regard yourself as highly intellectual. Why not shift all of that focus from said legal action pondering towards something, you know, constructive?
[01:24:30] <vsync_> Or are you just lazy, after all?
[01:24:31] <mark4> its not a suit
[01:24:49] <mark4> its an action in law. not a suit in equity. suits are not in LAW
[01:25:10] <vsync_> my question still stands
[01:25:36] <mark4> and instead of flamging someone on a subject YOU are utterly clueless of how about you flame them for something you have actual knowledge of
[01:25:41] <mark4> just a thought
[01:26:01] <vsync_> well, what i know for a fact - is that
[01:26:31] <vsync_> you seem to be the type who looks for reasons to get offended, and i guess ultimately in this case a means for a retirement plan. "only in 'murica"
[01:26:59] <mark4> if you say so
[01:27:04] <vsync_> and borderline offended for calling you out on it, but hey 's life
[01:27:21] <Casper> and it's still not how law work
[01:27:52] <mark4> because you know the law.. got it
[01:29:01] <Casper> you are thinking that you will win this as if it was a certain thing
[01:29:04] <Casper> it will not
[01:29:32] <Casper> and 50k$/day is way too high, good luck justifying that money
[01:29:36] <mark4> again... i bow to your superior knowledge of the subject
[01:29:57] <mark4> no. 50k per day is an unwritten defacto standard. some idiots try get a million or more per day
[01:30:06] <mark4> er one guy in florida did... for 2 days lol
[01:30:15] <Casper> lol
[01:30:24] <mark4> but it is NOT about money for me
[01:30:28] <vsync_> it's borderline satirical, reminds me of that jew lawyer in south park who endorsed his business for suing the state
[01:30:47] <mark4> a lawyer cant sue the state. one of the people CAN
[01:30:57] <mark4> well. can under certaing conditions
[01:31:04] <mark4> you cant just up and sue the state
[01:31:13] <vsync_> oh jesus christ, that's details :)
[01:31:17] <vsync_> hung up on them, much?
[01:31:32] <vsync_> it's almost as if you're blind to the big picture, but i think you do this on purpose
[01:32:41] <mark4> again i bow to your superior knowledge on the subject
[01:34:21] <vsync_> keep us posted, will you?
[01:34:24] <mark4> because its obvious you have studied the subject
[01:34:26] <vsync_> watch this space people
[01:34:32] <Casper> vsync_: I think he really can't be helped at all... here's how it will go: "prove me that you did it right, else pay me 50k$/day" "We had this and this and this and this, this lead to a strong proof that it was you, a judge got convinced too. We followed the law and procedure." "but.... but.... but I was innocent!" "We followed the procedure." "gimme my 50k$/day!" "we followed the procedures, Now pay us our attoney fees."
[01:35:28] <vsync_> $50k a day SOP!
[01:35:35] <mark4> yes. casper is an expert
[01:35:39] <mark4> i can tell
[01:35:46] <vsync_> mark4: isn't it?
[01:36:00] <mark4> tell you what. if all of you go and actuall study the subject your flames would carry some weight
[01:36:19] <mark4> but as you have put exactly zero seconds into it your all just blowing hot air
[01:36:22] <vsync_> oh yeah, mr. thornton, i gotta go watch him right now
[01:36:32] <mark4> but go ahead. knock yourself out
[01:36:32] <vsync_> if you're so sure about your case, why haven't you already done it?
[01:37:01] * Casper wonders if it's 365 days, or 260 or whatever (i.e. all days, week days or week days less hollidays)
[01:37:07] <mark4> vsync_, beind sure doesnt make the prospect any less daunting and before i file any paperwork i need to make sure 100% of my ducks are in a row
[01:37:35] <vsync_> well, hey, keep us posted, matey
[01:37:47] <mark4> once my paperwork is file thats it. if i make any changes, any additions, any deletions it makes my case weaker
[01:37:55] <vsync_> watch this space people. $50k a day, standard operating procedure
[01:38:09] <Casper> at 260days/year, that's 52 millions. at 365 it's 73 millions
[01:38:27] <vsync_> Casper: and it's a done deal.
[01:38:35] <mark4> you can belittle me all you want, your just farting wet farts
[01:38:36] <vsync_> Sheesh.
[01:38:56] <vsync_> That's amazing. You have my utmost admiration, mark4
[01:39:10] <Casper> vsync_: yeah, he could have asked a million a day, and would have got it, instead he aim only for 50k, what a bargain for them!
[01:39:42] <vsync_> also i'm watching bill thornton. Watching 7 (or what) hours of him, surely makes you a legal expert. Far better than anyone who underwent legal studies and holds a degree
[01:39:54] <vsync_> That said, he also has an amazing beard.
[01:40:09] <Xark> Well, that qualifies him surely. :)
[01:40:12] <vsync_> Casper: yeah it really is a nobrainer.
[01:40:50] <mark4> 7 ? lol theres way more than that and he is just one source of information, but what the fuck ever :)
[01:41:55] <vsync_> you know i'm gonna go out on a limb here, he seems like one of those silly preachers, like Terry Davis, no offense :)
[01:43:17] <mark4> vsync if you go to his site there are 3 or 4 legal references he makes that are incorrect but 99% of what he states in his videos i have shepardized
[01:43:31] <mark4> i have called him out on a few of his citations as being bogus
[01:44:10] <vsync_> he probably gave, approx 3.5 fucks on avg. per your calling out
[01:44:28] <mark4> right
[01:44:37] <mark4> which is 3.5 more than you give
[01:44:41] <Casper> mark4: and mind you, if YOU, a plain citizen, found a few wrong things, imagine a real lawer how easy he will get throught him
[01:45:06] <vsync_> Casper: but he's an expert. he has multiple sources of information. (ie. other internet freaks)
[01:45:24] <Casper> vsync_: yeah
[01:45:37] <vsync_> I believe he's going to bring O.J. Simpson as a case study
[01:46:18] <mark4> and law libraries?
[01:46:24] <mark4> but i guess they dont count either
[01:47:51] <Casper> mark4: but seriously, what point will you bring for the false imprisonement? what is the main point?
[01:48:13] <Casper> as in, what do you think will make it prove that it was unlawfull?
[01:48:20] <mark4> i could send you my action paperwork but i dont think i will because its not filed yet
[01:48:36] <vsync_> no-one asked you to send the paperwork...
[01:48:40] <vsync_> just a broad stroke
[01:48:54] <vsync_> did she say she was eighteen?
[01:48:59] <mark4> right but what your asking is for is a legal definition of what they did
[01:49:18] <vsync_> legal definition, stretched term
[01:49:53] <mark4> unlawful search and siesure, false imprisonment, vindictive prosecution (THEY have to PROVE it wasnt, i do not have to prove it was).
[01:50:14] <mark4> unlawful search based on arizona v gant and terry v ohio
[01:50:39] <mark4> from that point on they had zero jurisdiction so eveyrthing they did was unlawful
[01:51:14] <Casper> still, you ain't saying what they did wrong
[01:51:20] <mark4> cop stops and searches without warrant, without articulable probable cause...
[01:51:56] <Casper> what happened?
[01:52:01] <mark4> everything they did after the unlawful search was unlawful. what it was does not matter (well it does because it lends weight to my argument)
[01:52:35] <Casper> so it's an "unlawfull search"
[01:52:43] <Casper> what is the story of it?
[01:52:53] <Casper> standard trafic stop?
[01:53:02] <mark4> no there is more to it than that but im not going to go into details
[01:53:09] <mark4> and theres no such thing as a standard trafic stop
[01:53:27] <mark4> if a cop stops you ask HIM what articulable probable cause he has for stopping you.
[01:54:06] <mark4> another good name to add to your research is eddie craig. he IS a lawyer in asutin tx
[01:54:31] <vsync_> wow. you have a strong case going for you
[01:54:38] <vsync_> good luck!
[01:54:52] <mark4> you might also want to look up "charlie sprinkle"
[01:54:55] <Casper> easy defence: "he drove not too straight, I tought he may be impaired, I stopped him to make sure he was not impaired somehow and risking his and other's life" <=== that has been tried in supreme court and has worked
[01:55:09] <mark4> you can still see his action online (from a .gov site) if you know where to look
[01:55:47] <mark4> casper cop stops you roll up every window. roll your drivers window down about half an inch and no further
[01:56:17] <mark4> he asks a question do not answer. he asks for your id and insurance dont give it. you are NOT under any oblication to give him any papers or tell him ANYTHING at all
[01:56:36] <Casper> also, if he think he smell anything funny, alcohol, drugs... or think he hear slured speech, or an answer is somewhat wrong or take too long, then he have the legal right to make you come out, at this point refusing to is resisting
[01:57:05] <mark4> thats why you do not roll your window down more than 1/4 of an inch and you roll yup EVERY other window.
[01:57:24] <Casper> mark4: and that can actually cause him to beleive that you are impaired, and give him a legal reason to ask you to go out
[01:57:30] <mark4> if you get a cop on both sides anhd the other side wants to talk, roll up the first window then roll down the other
[01:57:51] <Casper> your whatever amandement won't protect you from this
[01:57:59] <mark4> no that does not give him legal reason, what gives him "jurisdiciton" here would be your letting him take it
[01:58:28] <Casper> BESIDE YOU AGREED WITH YOUR LICENCE TO ANSWER ANSWER THE COP AND ROLL DOWN THE WINDOW WHEN ASKED
[01:58:30] <mark4> casper you are probably correct, the cop doesnt give a flying fuck about the 4th or any other amendment
[01:58:34] <mark4> no
[01:58:37] <mark4> you do not
[01:59:13] <Casper> sure you do, look up the driver code, you will be surprised of what you agreed to when you signed without reading the fineprints
[01:59:33] <mark4> casper the "DRIVER" code is specific to the commercial use of the highway
[01:59:35] <mark4> PERIOD
[01:59:40] <mark4> 100% of it
[01:59:53] <Casper> wrong
[02:00:12] <mark4> the terms "driver" "driving" "motor vehicle" "vehicle" all have legal definitions. they are all specific to the commercial use of the highway
[02:00:15] <Casper> and you are required by law to provide the papers if requested
[02:00:20] <mark4> no
[02:00:22] <mark4> your NOT
[02:00:24] <Casper> good luck
[02:00:26] <mark4> but go ahead
[02:00:47] <mark4> the law does not protect those who slumber on their rights
[02:00:54] <mark4> a judge asks "do you understand.... "
[02:01:00] <mark4> and you say "yes"
[02:01:10] <mark4> you just agreeed to his neci prius jurisdiction
[02:01:38] <mark4> "do you STAND UNDER" is what he actually said but your ignorance empowers him
[02:01:54] <mark4> but you can belittle me all you want..
[02:02:26] <mark4> because your ZERO hours/minutes/seconds of study on this subject makes your opinions fact
[02:02:26] <Casper> really... go read the laws and all
[02:03:29] <Casper> you are dangerous for yourself, if you don't realise it soon you will burn yourself even more. be carefull
[02:06:01] <vsync_> if someone's fixated on $50 mills, I think it's hard to talk them out of it. I am not familiar with the american laws, but I am fairly certain even you dumn yankee fucks can't have it the way you are suggesting, that you are not even required to show the papers, it's pretty much universal.
[02:06:53] <vsync_> Now, you think you're going to net $50k a day for what, 4 years? On an acclaimed "unlawful search of vehicle"?
[02:07:02] <vsync_> because that's pretty much what you base your case on
[02:07:27] <vsync_> keep me posted, really please do
[02:07:45] <Casper> vsync_: I don't know all of them, but the issue is that they don't know what the constitution mean. they just read the big lines and then take it out of context and apply it everywhere and forget everything else
[02:08:38] <vsync_> the letter of the law he seems to be suggesting or following, borderline implies even pulling over seems to be...
[02:08:41] <vsync_> more or less optional
[02:08:50] <vsync_> because, gotta stick with those rights, yeah
[02:10:19] <Casper> the thing is.... the constitution is a big text, that people only know the headlines. One of them say that they should be safe from unresonable search
[02:10:31] <Casper> they read it as: the police can not search them for any reason
[02:10:54] <Casper> which mean they don't have the right to stop them
[02:11:03] <Casper> also, the text say "unresonable search"
[02:11:10] <Casper> and not "any search"
[02:13:38] <Casper> and of course, there is some smart ass on the net that refused to follow the laws, that the police just decided to not bother with that asshole, that asshole made a nice video on youtube and said: that's how you deal with it! protect your rights! when they really violated a few laws right there...
[02:14:18] <vsync_> sources of information on the internet are wide and varied
[02:14:31] <Casper> yeah
[02:15:25] <mark4> casper they cant SEARCH you without a warrant or probable cause but they CAN pat you down for weapons if and ONLY if they have been given cause to think you might be a danger to them and they cannot go diging through your pockets (terry v ohio)
[02:16:03] <mark4> but again, i bow to your superior holier than though intellect and knowledge
[02:16:39] <Casper> probable cause can be thinking he smell pot
[02:16:51] <Casper> ask a real lawer about this one
[02:17:02] <Casper> and pot can be smell with the door and windows closed
[02:18:07] <Casper> even if it's someone walking on the sidewalk, you refusing to lower the window make them impossible to verify it, so have to ask you to come out to verify (probable cause of driving under the influence of drug)
[02:18:26] <Casper> if they think you may be tired, that is probable cause too
[02:18:37] <mark4> no. the exercise of a right cannot be turned into a crime.
[02:18:49] <Casper> what right?
[02:19:06] <Casper> using illegal substances that affect your judgement and can kill others?
[02:19:22] <mark4> to remain silent and that includes handing over papers or opening your window to a point where they can CLAIM they smelled alcohol
[02:19:43] <Casper> to be on the road, you need to have a driver licence
[02:19:48] <Casper> and a valid one
[02:19:49] <vsync_> mark4: it's a tragedy really, I have just one favor to ask you
[02:19:58] <mark4> dont bother
[02:20:20] <vsync_> Casper: no, it's perfectly fine. You don't need to show it, cause then they can't prove that you didn't have one! WOW!
[02:20:25] <mark4> you are very good at belittling peoiple on a subject you are UTTERLKY fuc king clueless about
[02:20:32] <vsync_> :)
[02:20:36] <Casper> if you remain silent, you prevent them from verifying that you are legally driving, and cause them to beleive that you are illegally driving
[02:20:39] <mark4> you dont need one
[02:20:49] <mark4> DRIVING is a commercial activity
[02:20:52] <vsync_> of course you don't, driver's license just silly piece of paper
[02:21:04] <Casper> and that has been tried in supreme court
[02:21:13] <vsync_> mark4: could you postpone your legal action for a year or so?
[02:21:14] <Casper> and of course, the driver/citizen lost
[02:21:19] <x29a> driver licence for avrs? oh darn atmel
[02:21:35] <Casper> driving is a privilege, not a right
[02:21:55] <Casper> nowhere in the constitution it say that driving is a right
[02:22:07] <Casper> going by foot is a right
[02:22:13] <mark4> no. dick. its a RIGHT. you have a right to travel by ANY normal means of conveyance of the day
[02:22:19] <mark4> but what the fuck ever lol.
[02:22:21] <vsync_> mark4: just postpone it long enough, so that you finally get that atmel studio working (+debugger), so that we can get to use your compiler. The world is ready for you.
[02:22:35] <vsync_> mark4: That sounds like serious bullshit.
[02:22:53] <vsync_> you are effin' delusional there, mark4 :)
[02:22:56] <Casper> mark4: seriously, ask a real lawer, not a fucktard of wannabe lawer that give fuckton of false advice
[02:23:22] <mark4> k
[02:23:22] <Casper> here in canada, they are doing a crackdown on those assholes that scam people
[02:23:39] <Casper> I hope the usa follow soon
[02:23:58] <vsync_> guess there's a certain mark undergoing a crackdown too in the court, soon enough (?)
[02:24:38] <Casper> I should have saved the supreme court case about driver is a privilege...
[02:26:16] <mark4> DRIVER is
[02:26:19] <mark4> travveling is not
[02:26:36] <mark4> you get in your car you are travelling. a driver is using the highway for commercial purposes
[02:26:39] <mark4> TRUCK driver.
[02:26:40] <mark4> TAXI driver
[02:27:50] <vsync_> Wow. You need to spread the word
[02:28:09] <vsync_> This will make all the driving schools and tests obsolete.
[02:28:27] <vsync_> Amazing, truly is.
[02:29:01] <vsync_> Saves you $$$ also, though you won't be needing any because, $50 M is pretty much already in your back pocket
[02:29:50] <mark4> go look up charlie sprinkle, just an ordinary joe shmoe pulled over, sued the cop. sued the cops wife. sued the judge. sued the judges wife. sued the governor, sued the governors wile (ronald regan).
[02:29:52] <Casper> I don't know how many fucktard tried that... they all lost
[02:30:09] <vsync_> I'm curious though, as to what was it that they found in said vehicle. If I had to take a wild guess I'd go for LSD, or other schizophrenia-inducing drug
[02:30:14] <mark4> if you know where to look you can download his action from the california court he filed it in
[02:31:08] <mark4> but your too much of a moron to understand it anyway, dont bother looking it up
[02:31:11] <Casper> vsync_: I'ld go with marijuana
[02:31:26] <mark4> go ahead and keep your head buried up your ass
[02:31:36] <Casper> hence why he refused to open the windows, and why he got 4 years
[02:31:49] <vsync_> go ahead and execute your grand delusions, which will turn into imprisonment?
[02:32:06] <vsync_> Casper: yeah
[02:32:20] <Casper> he'll go back in jail soon, give him 5 years
[02:32:25] <mark4> no i didnt get 4 years
[02:32:51] <Casper> true, you got more, but did 4 years
[02:33:26] <mark4> no, you read something and inject your own meaning into it because your english comprehension is in the gutter
[02:33:55] <vsync_> I think 4 years is excessive, I'd say less than a year, but $50k a day still nets him a great pension.
[02:34:18] <vsync_> most likely in the millions
[02:34:24] <mark4> its called CONSTRUCTIVE imprisonment.
[02:34:40] <mark4> but i wont explain it to you because you have probed your too dumb to get it
[02:34:54] <Casper> anyway, sleep is kicking in, I'll try to catch it before it go away... nite!
[02:34:59] <Casper> (3:14am...)
[02:35:15] <vsync_> Oh. It means you couldn't be working on your AVR compiler during that time? You had to take time off from it?
[02:35:19] <vsync_> Damn.
[02:35:44] <mark4> condecending dickheads... is that all you have? lol
[02:36:04] <vsync_> i have faith in you
[02:36:10] <mark4> rite
[02:36:29] <vsync_> you are a true american hero. the modern day martin luther, defending rights.
[02:36:43] <vsync_> have to add a king in there somewhere...
[02:37:33] <vsync_> have you already been queried by cnn, fox perhaps? to have an exclusive on your story
[02:40:23] <vsync_> could net some serious cash from there, too... just saying
[08:07:26] <Tekkkz> Hi! Do somebody know where i can get help for stm32f4?
[08:19:33] <Tekkkz> can i get help / info for stm32f4 in this irc?
[08:24:19] <wulax> Tekkkz: maybe try the ##arm channel?
[08:25:45] <Tekkkz> hm
[08:25:50] <Tekkkz> there are only 7 members
[08:25:59] <Tekkkz> and the irc memebrs are most of every time
[08:26:27] <Tekkkz> im searching for a forum, if i dont find anything useful, im asking here
[08:26:49] <wulax> ok
[08:38:17] <malinus> hehe it's the same guy that said "avr is dead"
[08:38:19] <malinus> lol
[08:53:23] <Tekkkz> okay, im back
[08:54:01] <Tekkkz> my question: the stm32f4discovery board, with which frequency runs the stm32f4 by default, in the code is a hse-value of 8MHz, then clk and other clock values
[08:54:04] <Tekkkz> so what is the richt?
[10:04:43] <skroon> hi
[10:12:31] <d-rock> skroon: Hey
[10:56:44] <mark4> how do i configure avr studio (either 4 or 6) to use the GNU assembler. if you install winavr it only gives you an option for GCC and my project is not C
[10:58:06] <mark4> creating a new project gives you the option to use "Atmel AVR Assembler" or "Avr GCC"
[10:58:29] <mark4> i do not want atmels assembler is a pile of horse crap with no real macro facility
[15:32:21] <silbo> jo, can I manually apply 12V to the reset pin of attiny during programming ?
[15:37:16] <RikusW> you could
[15:37:28] <RikusW> I'd put a 1k5 resistor in series
[15:37:35] <RikusW> just to be safe
[15:37:46] <silbo> ok, hope I didn't already fry it
[15:38:03] <silbo> so I can just keep the 12V on as long as I like ? won't fry the chip ?
[15:38:05] <RikusW> you'll have to use HVSP not ISP
[15:38:24] <RikusW> as long as it is on reset it won't damage the chip
[15:38:39] <silbo> so I can use ISP just need the 12v ?
[15:39:11] <RikusW> no, 12V go with HVSP
[15:39:35] <RikusW> its a different protocol using different pins
[15:40:56] <Fleck> the q. is, do you need HVSP silbo?
[15:43:05] <silbo> would be good to know yes :)
[15:43:33] <mark4> anyone here do pure asm using avr studio 4 and avr-gcc?
[15:43:59] <RikusW> I do, though not recently
[15:44:04] <mark4> i have got it mostly figured out but when i try ldi rx, lo8(xxx) it says i have to supply a constant
[15:44:44] <mark4> oh hi RikusW this is i440r. i just got an xmega256a3bu xpld board
[15:44:46] <RikusW> try LOW(xxx)
[15:44:52] <mark4> doesnt work tried it
[15:44:59] <RikusW> hi mark4 long time no see
[15:45:03] <mark4> yea
[15:45:21] <RikusW> mark4: I've got lo8 defined somewhere in my code
[15:45:50] <mark4> im trying to NOT define things that should already be defined by the include files. its pissing me off that shit just isnt working lol
[15:46:20] <mark4> looking at the 3 examples of asm using avr-gcc that are not specific to inline asm in c. and they are all worse than hello world examples lol
[15:46:28] <Steffanx> whoa, mr RikusW is alive \o/
[15:47:22] <mark4> when i do this assembly now the error message is flagged 2 lines above the error
[15:47:42] <mark4> LOW() and HIGH() are not known
[15:48:00] <mark4> unless its case sensative. let me try with upper case as shown here. i did it lower case
[15:48:31] <mark4> nope that gives garbage at end of line
[15:49:06] <mark4> heh the error flag just resynced with the error line. awesome tools
[15:49:26] <mark4> but ldi rx, lo8(RAMEND) tells me i have to supply a constant
[15:49:36] <mark4> "constant value required"
[15:49:43] <mark4> im pretty certain RAMEND is a constant :)
[15:49:53] <mark4> or can i write to it at run time and get more memory :)
[15:50:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> RAMEND is a constant defined by your header files for your particular chip.
[15:50:35] <mark4> im not including any header files for my particular chip. im defining the -mmcu= in the build tho
[15:50:41] <mark4> i assumed that takes care of it
[15:50:44] <mark4> and RAMEND is defined
[15:50:53] <mark4> its the lo8(blah) that is not working
[15:50:56] <Lambda_Aurigae> in avr-libc, it is included by avr/io.h when that detects the processor which is usually defined in the makefile.
[15:51:05] <mark4> im NOT including anything libc. PERIOD
[15:51:10] <mark4> this is not a C project
[15:51:14] <mark4> ph crap
[15:51:15] <RikusW> 22:24:26) RikusW: mark4: I've got lo8 defined somewhere in my code
[15:51:16] <RikusW> (22:25:37) RikusW: #define lo8(x) (x & 0xFF)
[15:51:16] <RikusW> (22:25:37) RikusW: #define hi8(x) ((x >> 8) & 0xFF)
[15:51:16] <RikusW> (22:25:45) RikusW: there
[15:51:16] <RikusW> mark4 martin____
[15:51:16] <RikusW> (22:26:49) RikusW: mark4: btw I opensourced my programmer board fw ->
https://sites.google.com/site/megau2s/ support sw FW4
[15:51:24] <mark4> then i cannot include avr/io.h
[15:51:27] <mark4> at all
[15:51:27] <RikusW> seems I dced...
[15:51:28] <Lambda_Aurigae> RAMEND might be defined somewhere by the compiler for the particular chip then.
[15:51:53] <mark4> nice
[15:52:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> or the assembler.
[15:52:18] <RikusW> avr/io.h is not used for asm projects
[15:52:18] <Lambda_Aurigae> in your case.
[15:52:26] <mark4> Lambda_Aurigae, is there a way to NOT include any of the C bullshit files when i include avr/io.h? i do not want any libc includes AT ALL
[15:52:33] <Lambda_Aurigae> either way, you can't change it and get more memory.
[15:52:33] <mark4> in fact they would fuck over my build majorly
[15:52:40] <RikusW> use -> #include <m32U2def.inc>
[15:52:43] <mark4> Lambda_Aurigae, that was a joke lol
[15:52:58] <Lambda_Aurigae> mark4, hard to tell these days.
[15:53:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> and I'm at work and mostly brain fried after installing 9 copiers today.
[15:53:43] <RikusW> (or whatever chip you are using)
[15:53:48] <mark4> RikusW, nope. the only .inc files supplied are for the avr assembler and i cannot use the avr assembler because its macro facility is a pre flintstones pile of crap. you can do .macro foo ldi r0l, 0 ldi r1, 0 .macro <-- thats about the most complex macro you can do
[15:54:01] <mark4> im using the avr-gcc and there are exactly Z E R O assembler incude files with that
[15:54:17] <mark4> Lambda_Aurigae, you think YOUR brain fried? lol
[15:54:39] <RikusW> mark4: so you are using gcc for compiling asm ?
[15:54:40] <mark4> and the avr assembler include files do not seem to work with avr-gcc
[15:54:43] <mark4> yes
[15:54:48] <mark4> no C
[15:55:11] <mark4> i need the GNU assembler macros. you can do some SEMI complex macros with it, its still a major pain but at least its workable
[15:55:20] <mark4> the atmel avr assembler macros are utter bullshit
[15:55:37] <RikusW> you can use #define in avr asm
[15:55:43] <Xark> mark4: I just tried and had no trouble using Atmel Studio 6.2 with GNU as (and port definitions). ->
https://imgur.com/bt6NFDj
[15:55:47] <mark4> actually pretty much 200% of the software supplied by atmel is utter bullshit
[15:56:03] <mark4> xark no trouble including the device.inc files?
[15:56:14] <Xark> mark4: I made a GCC project, added a "preprocesed asm file" .S (then deleted the C part).
[15:56:19] <mark4> i tried and avr studio went all white like "not responding"
[15:56:45] <mark4> oh. my files are .s not .S but the #define blah blah seems to work
[15:56:49] <mark4> or the #include does
[15:56:49] <Xark> mark4: You just #include <avr/io.h> (and along with the part you selected when you made your project it will include the proper defs)
[15:57:07] <RikusW> mark4: you could try including the file that avr/io.h includes directly and editing it a bit....
[15:57:54] <RikusW> or just generate your own header using the atmel xml files and xslt
[15:57:54] <mark4> xark i was just told that including taht file also inclues all the libc cruft
[15:58:32] <mark4> rikusw yea. thats turning a simple "#include the file they should have distributed with this tool chain" into a major surgery
[15:58:40] <mark4> but i dont think i have a choice
[15:58:45] <Xark> mark4: Well, it does define the startup code and interrrupt vectors, but no other code.
[15:59:01] <mark4> it cannot.. repeat C A N N O T define those
[15:59:03] <Xark> mark4: In my screenshot you can see the "overhead' (vectors and a tiny bit of code).
[15:59:10] <mark4> it needs to back the fuck off. thats MY job lol
[15:59:35] <mark4> xark that would KILL my project. im defining the vectors, in RAM :)
[15:59:36] <Xark> mark4: Fine, change your compile options and don't link with startup (I think you want -ffreestanding).
[15:59:54] <mark4> xark -ffreestanding ! cool
[16:00:00] <mark4> how do you know all this lol
[16:00:12] <Xark> mark4: You may need to hack some other Atmel project stuff (not sure).
[16:00:18] <mark4> and with that its safe to include io.h? or ios that still off limits for me
[16:00:24] <Xark> Well, I have been using GNU toolchain since late 80s...
[16:00:31] <mark4> xark there are zero assembler projects
[16:00:43] <mark4> well. theres one and it has more example C code in it than example asm
[16:00:52] <Xark> mark4: io.h just defines ports and such (which I assume you want).
[16:00:59] <mark4> yes
[16:01:13] <mark4> xark does it take into account the -mmcu i have defined?
[16:01:23] <Xark> Presumably
[16:01:31] <mark4> i assumed it did
[16:01:55] <mark4> but... if i add the -ffreestanding will including it still define the vectors etc?
[16:02:06] <mark4> i probably have to do all the register definitions by hand.
[16:02:11] <Xark> If you try and include io328p.h directly it scolds you to just include "io.h"
[16:02:29] <Xark> mark4: No, that is a link thing.
[16:02:37] <mark4> aha kk
[16:03:39] <mark4> ive also found that after adjusting build config its best to close avr studio and relaunch
[16:03:42] <mark4> :/
[16:04:19] <mark4> where is lo8 supposed to be defined?
[16:04:24] <mark4> because im not getting that
[16:04:43] <mark4> i tried ldi rx, BLAH & 0xff or blah >> 8
[16:04:45] <mark4> neither works
[16:05:12] <Xark> What exactly failed? "lo8"?
[16:05:39] <mark4> lo8 and hi8 and when i tried ldi rx, VALUE & 0xff // >> 8
[16:06:01] <mark4> RikusW, you need to reverse engineer the avr draon firmware kthxbai
[16:06:22] <mark4> or the entire protocol use to access it
[16:06:38] <RikusW> #define lo8(x) (x & 0xFF)
[16:06:45] <RikusW> #define hi8(x) ((x >> 8) & 0xFF)
[16:07:15] <mark4> i tried ldi rn, x & 0xff and ldi rn, (x & oxff)
[16:07:17] <mark4> both failed
[16:07:32] <mark4> so i dont understand why or how those macros could work but let me plug them in
[16:07:39] <RikusW> mark4: I do know most of the protocol for the dragon,
[16:08:24] <RikusW> I do think that gcc might not allow macros inside its inline asm or .s files ?
[16:09:04] <RikusW> the dragon protocol is very much like the jtagice mkii's with and added wrapper for stk500
[16:10:03] <RikusW> https://sites.google.com/site/megau2s/ --> sw --> RavrProg for C++ code using libusb to access the dragon
[16:10:04] <Xark> mark4: Try LDI r16,lo8(num)
[16:10:36] <Xark> RikusW: Macros work fine in inline asm (and I presume .s files).
[16:11:18] <Xark> RikusW: Assembler macros. C preprocessor macros may need .S (or --assemble-with-cpp)
[16:12:02] * Xark notes C preprocessor macros also work with inline asm - but you have to get them into string form (aka STRINGIZE)
[16:12:41] * Xark didn't need to define lo8 (should be standard)
[16:12:44] <RikusW> (stk600 is using stk500/ispmkii with a wrapper jtag)....
[16:12:56] <mark4> i am also trying to give certaint registers names but thats also failing lol
[16:13:12] <mark4> lo8 is still failing.
[16:13:14] <RikusW> #define somereg r8
[16:13:26] <mark4> actually let me paste the line thats failing and its error
[16:13:42] <mark4> oh... crap it might not be lo8 thats failing its the register name
[16:13:45] <Xark> mark4: #define should be fine for that. (yep, just tried it)
[16:13:48] <mark4> ldi zh, lo8(blah)
[16:13:52] <mark4> its not working
[16:13:59] <mark4> i have that #define
[16:14:03] <Xark> Did you fix your .s vs .S?
[16:14:06] <mark4> but im in .s not .S
[16:14:14] <mark4> i wsa jsut about to :))
[16:14:25] <Xark> "Works for me" ->
http://hastebin.com/ekafecuwij.avrasm
[16:14:33] <mark4> i hate upper case extensions :/
[16:15:17] <tpw_rules> i saw an article some time ago where somebody hollowed out a 4000 series chip and replaced it with a pic or something
[16:15:23] <tpw_rules> to drive a 7 segment display
[16:15:35] <Xark> mark4: If you don't want to change the extension, you can use "-x assembler-with-cpp"
[16:15:48] <mark4> now .S and ldi zh, lo8(RAMEND) is telling me constant value reaquired
[16:15:57] <mark4> actually thats already in there !
[16:16:14] <mark4> forgot that detail lol. i noticed it earlier
[16:16:53] <Xark> You may need to use regnum for ZH (unless you #defined it)
[16:17:15] <mark4> lol you just HAVE to love windows. file blah.S exists. write a file called blah.s and it doesnt change the extension on the target file lol
[16:17:21] <mark4> i did #define it
[16:17:29] <mark4> what is regnum?
[16:17:31] <mark4> oh
[16:17:34] <mark4> the register number lol
[16:17:35] <Xark> mark4: Well, "works for me" (see my example)
[16:17:45] <Xark> Like r28
[16:18:15] <mark4> yea i got it, i was just confuzed a sec :)
[16:18:27] <mark4> but #define zh, rxx doesnt work here
[16:18:32] <mark4> erm no comma
[16:18:45] <mark4> i tried .equ too
[16:18:47] <Xark> Ok, for me ZH and ZL are predefined (but must be uppercase).
[16:19:03] <mark4> well i can use upper case for them. that doesnt bother me
[16:19:19] <mark4> what bothers me is that i cant define tl, th, spl, sph, rpl, rph, ipl, iph
[16:20:12] <mark4> ZL and ZH are not defined either
[16:20:43] <RikusW> seems you broke something....
[16:21:05] <Xark> You aren't that great at this. :) LDS R1,SPL works for me (by default). ->
https://i.imgur.com/nBsmY23.png
[16:21:08] <mark4> no idea how, i did a fresh install of avr studio 4.18(9?) and 6.2 sp2
[16:21:39] <mark4> SPL is a SFR, my "spl" probably needs to be renamed
[16:22:00] <silbo> RikusW: I wired up the tiny to the HVSP like so
http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/34012/ISP_HVSP2.JPG
[16:22:03] <mark4> its a ram variable. didnt think of that earlier but my register names are not applying anyway
[16:22:25] <mark4> i can call them "psl, psh" instead
[16:22:34] <silbo> RikusW: but avrdude -c dragon_hvsp -P usb -p t85 -v fails
[16:23:10] <RikusW> silbo: did you connect the VCC -> VTG on the ISP header ? it is required for some reason....
[16:24:17] <RikusW> silbo: also, the dragon will supply 12V
[16:24:30] <mark4> actually lo8 and hi8 are misnamed. they should be lo16 and hi16
[16:24:41] <mark4> but thats splitting hairs
[16:25:39] <RikusW> silbo: there are vcc pins just above the jtag header
[16:25:43] <Xark> IMHO that would be wrong...
[16:25:50] <mark4> yea i changed my ldi zl, ..... to ldi r30, .... and its still telling me constant valuye required. it does not like lo8(RAMEND)
[16:26:00] * Xark notes lo8 gave him the low 8 bits of a 16 bit constant...
[16:26:06] <silbo> RikusW: cool, works ^_^
[16:26:15] <RikusW> nice :)
[16:26:23] <mark4> xark yes. but the reason i say it should be called lo16 is because on SOME avr cores addresses are 24 bits
[16:26:32] <RikusW> silbo: that little detail is hidden away in the dragon docs....
[16:26:36] <Xark> mark4: Doesn't matter.
[16:26:37] <RikusW> it applies to HVPP too
[16:26:56] <mark4> which is why hi8 is defined as (( >> 8) & ff)
[16:27:22] <mark4> bnut anyway... my #defines for registers is simply not working
[16:27:29] <Xark> mark4: As it should be...
[16:27:51] <mark4> #define zl r30
[16:27:55] <mark4> #define zh r31
[16:28:17] <mark4> xark the &ff is superfluous if the address is 16 bits to begin with
[16:28:36] <Xark> mark4: Well, it might not be so it would be a mistake to omit it.
[16:29:01] <Xark> It just takes the lo8 (e.g.) from a constant. It could be miles to the moon or something. :)
[16:29:03] <mark4> xark yes - my point was this is a means of extracting the hi 8 bits and lo 8 bits of a 16 bit address
[16:29:10] <mark4> lol
[16:29:18] <Xark> mark4: I disagree, but whatever.
[16:29:41] <mark4> but anyway... im pulling my hair out here... why does #define zl .... not work here
[16:30:11] <mark4> cpi zh, 0 the error is "first unrecognized character '2'"
[16:30:12] <mark4> lol
[16:30:13] <mark4> wtf
[16:30:19] <mark4> oh i bet its miss aligned errors
[16:30:29] <mark4> it is
[16:30:38] <Xark> mark4: Add -save-temps to command line and you can see what is happening with preprocessor.
[16:30:42] <mark4> avr asm acceps $xx for hex gcc is too stupid to do so
[16:30:47] <Xark> IME, you get a misaligned error when that happens.
[16:30:55] <mark4> that begs the question. was the xh xl error also misaligned?
[16:31:25] <mark4> no. that error is not misaligned :/
[16:31:38] * Xark is done hand-holding...
[16:31:40] <mark4> or maybe it was han g on
[16:31:45] <Xark> mark4: Good luck! :D
[16:32:19] <mark4> the problem isnt that im clueless about coding. its that im clueless about these tools
[16:33:53] <mark4> it does not like ldi r16, (1 << IVCE) or something. maybe that register has a different name on this core?
[16:34:07] <mark4> same with (1 << IVSEL)
[16:34:23] <mark4> and i think thats the last two errors :/
[16:38:24] <mark4> and there are pretty much zero examples of any avg-gcc asm code on the web that i can find other than ultra trivial snippets..
[16:39:20] <RikusW> look in the avr-libc docs in the inline asm chapter
[16:39:55] <mark4> erm will do but you KNOW im guaranteed to totally ignore ANYTHING to do with libc when im writing asm code lol
[16:40:16] <mark4> if the info i need is in there i have to question why asm coding info is buried inside a C library
[16:40:42] <mark4> 99% of the docs i find are for avrasm not avr-gcc
[16:40:52] <RikusW> a lot of the gcc docs are in there
[16:40:54] <mark4> and atmel does not have any asm examples
[16:41:04] <mark4> the problem isnt a gcc problem
[16:41:15] <Xark> mark4: No wonder if you ignore avr-libc site (which is the AVR toolchain docs, despite the name).
[16:41:18] <mark4> i am using the gnu assembler to assemble both my arm forth and my thumb2 forth
[16:42:15] <mark4> xark i HATE c. i avoid everything to do wtih it. if "toolchain documentation" is named "libc docs" im going to ignore them for sure
[16:42:23] <RikusW> why not use C# instead ? :-D
[16:42:51] <RikusW> (just joking)
[16:42:53] <Xark> Then enjoy twisting in the wind. :)
[16:42:58] <mark4> i just got through having to develop an xbee mesh network module for arduino. dont mess with me :P
[16:43:20] <mark4> xark im not averse to looking there now that i know thats where the documentation is BURIED
[16:43:42] <mark4> atmel has a fucked up idea of how to present documentation
[16:44:04] <mark4> doing mov r0, (1 << n) works everywhere else for me
[16:44:09] <mark4> its just not working here
[16:44:18] <mark4> of course it would be an ldi here
[16:44:55] <RikusW> seems you're still Forth all the way ;)
[16:45:27] <mark4> why would i change. everything i see about other development tools convinces me that the entire fucking world is insane lol
[16:45:41] <mark4> this is a 3 minute job. ive been at it since 9am
[16:45:48] <mark4> its 430 pm almost
[16:46:38] <RikusW> sounds like you need to take a 4:20 break :-D
[16:47:06] <mark4> im not getting frustrated here, not to the point where im forthing at the mouth lol
[16:47:33] <mark4> and the error isnt on the << operations its on the following opcodes, stupid assembler misaligning its errors again
[16:48:55] <mark4> oh. i guess this core does not have a moveable boot sector lol
[16:49:31] <mark4> oh. no this isnt to define the boot sector. its to put the interrupt vectors in boot. let me check how they do that for this core
[16:51:43] <mark4> the only document i have is a HUGE freeking document that tells you what all the peripherals are and what they can be programmed to do. it does not give any technical info on HOW to achieve those purposes...
[16:51:53] <mark4> and when i looked there were only TWO documents for this board and i have both
[16:51:55] <mark4> blargh
[16:52:45] <mark4> and ive noticed that avr is significantly reducing the actual technical info in their documentation while significantly increasing the amout of it
[16:52:53] <mark4> the new format docs all have the TOC at the bottom
[16:54:33] <RikusW> xmega is a bit more complicated than mega....
[16:54:36] <mark4> now i have to ask if the xmega256a3bu allows you to put the interrutp vectors in the boot sector. that would screw me big time
[16:55:16] <mark4> complicated is fine as long as the documentation is all in one place. im startying to see atmel doing documentation like texas instruments
[16:56:00] <mark4> document 20% of a peripheral in one pdf, documenbt a further 10% of it in anbother... for 20 or 30 docs and you need to know all of them...
[16:58:31] <mark4> "Recommended reading... Xmega Manual" and no link to it lol
[17:07:08] <RikusW> all docs should be listed on the part page
[17:08:21] <LeoNerd> Heya RikusW.. I'm really feeling like I could do with some debugWire today. My ATtiny gets stuck in an infinite loop :(
[17:09:00] <RikusW> Hi LeoNerd
[17:09:07] <RikusW> no ice ?
[17:09:18] <RikusW> or dragon ?
[17:09:23] <LeoNerd> http://pastie.org/10024172 <== the while loop in the final snippet there, just spinlocks.
[17:09:42] <LeoNerd> I'm watching the SPI bus on a logic probe. It _definitely_ reads 0x0E as the status, which I think should make the loop stop
[17:10:53] <LeoNerd> It's just writing an endless stream of 0x27 0x70 and reading 0x0E 0x00
[17:11:15] <LeoNerd> (0x27 is CMD_W_REGISTER | REG_STATUS)
[17:15:06] <mark4> yup thats going to be a bitch. the MCUCR register does not have a bit to put the interrupt vectors in boot :/
[17:15:19] <mark4> unless it got moved to another register... keep reading
[17:18:26] <LeoNerd> Huh.. after editing code, reflashing, undoing, reflash again... now it works. :(
[17:18:29] <LeoNerd> I blame unclean build
[17:25:14] <RikusW> and then there is that....
[17:29:16] <mark4> lol i think i need to get a second avr dragon so i dont have to keep reflashing it when i flip between 4.x and 6.x studio :P
[17:37:51] <mark4> and to get my dragon to connect to this a3bu xplained board i have to put a twist in the cable lol. bastards did that just to confuse me!
[17:46:34] <proteusguy> mark4, I never work without at least 3 working copies of the device target. :)
[18:32:08] <LeoNerd> GAHHHHH this code is getting worse
[18:32:53] <LeoNerd> So... I suspect my current problem is that a falling edge on INT0 either fails to invoke the INT0 vector, or.. for some reason, the thing that it does gets lost.
[18:33:02] <LeoNerd> Hard to debug this as all I have is a logic probe and two LEDs
[18:34:55] <LeoNerd> Under what circumstances could a falling edge of INT0 ever fail to result in the INT0 vector being run.. ever?
[18:35:26] <LeoNerd> Oh hangon... isn't there some minimum timing guarantee thing that it has?
[18:40:10] <LeoNerd> AAAAAAAND Solved. For now
[18:40:19] <LeoNerd> Using level rather than falling-edge detection
[22:54:04] <vsync_> lol, shouldn't suggest 420'ing to mark4
