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[08:47:08] <Tachyon`> is something wrong with this client or has nobodoy spoken in 10 hours
[08:47:19] <Thrashbarg> looks it
[08:47:33] <Tachyon`> that was an either/or question
[08:48:38] <Lambda_Aurigae> hehe.
[08:58:11] <Thrashbarg> the correct answer to an either/or question is 'yes'
[10:27:34] <Tom_itx> no
[20:39:48] <umquant> any avr capable IDEs that linux users can recommend? Besides eclipse cdt
[20:41:38] <Casper> why not vim?
[20:42:44] <Lambda_Aurigae> kate, gedit,
[20:42:49] <Lambda_Aurigae> mousepad
[20:42:56] <umquant> Just haven't commited to learning the ins/outs of vim
[20:43:23] <Lambda_Aurigae> I just use whatever editor takes my fancy this week.
[20:43:52] <umquant> lol
[20:44:25] <umquant> Do you guys use a Makefile template for new projects?
[20:44:45] <Lambda_Aurigae> I usually copy one from a similar or not too dissimilar project.
[20:44:52] <Lambda_Aurigae> and make it fit what I'm doing.
[20:45:39] <umquant> gotcha
[20:46:19] <umquant> do you work in the embedded industry?
[20:47:05] <Lambda_Aurigae> no.
[20:47:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> microcontroller work is a hobby.
[20:47:23] <umquant> gotca
[20:47:29] <Lambda_Aurigae> I fix copiers for a living.
[20:47:57] <umquant> Like board level repair? Or like just a support company that does part replacement and stuff?
[20:48:33] <Lambda_Aurigae> primarily part/module replacement.
[20:48:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> although I have gone board level on occasion to save money and get a machine up faster.
[20:49:00] <umquant> Sweet!
[20:49:25] <Lambda_Aurigae> usually on power supplies.
[20:49:35] <umquant> I use to repair consumer electronics. The company I worked for charged insane prices. It was kind of sad
[20:49:53] <Lambda_Aurigae> 110 USD per hour for hardware repair.
[20:49:56] <umquant> A huge percentage of my work was replacing power supply circuits and or DC jacks
[20:50:04] <Lambda_Aurigae> 120 USD per hour for computer work.
[20:50:13] <umquant> yea ours was like $75 or something with a minimum of one hour
[20:50:32] <Lambda_Aurigae> I'm primarily an IT/computer guy..make things work together and all.
[20:50:47] <umquant> cool. That's what I started out doing.
[20:51:16] <umquant> helpdesk -> server/network admin -> misc computer hardware/electronic repair ->developer -> automation/integration
[20:51:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> been doing it for 6 years...and I'm the top paid analyst/tech in the company now...above guys who have been doing it for 15 years and more.
[20:51:34] <umquant> nice!
[20:51:50] <Lambda_Aurigae> I'm the guy everybody calls when they can't figure out the problem.
[20:52:07] <umquant> that is both a blessing and a curse lol
[20:52:09] <Lambda_Aurigae> I do a lot of installs of new gear and fix the problem child units.
[20:54:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> bonus is I get to rip bits and pieces out of old machines in the bone pile for my robotics and electronics hobby work.
[21:10:49] <ferdna> i have this noob question....
[21:11:40] <ferdna> i connect my avrisp mkii to my arduino icsp and power my arduino from an external source...
[21:11:54] <ferdna> i can upload code to the arduino just fine...
[21:12:33] <Lambda_Aurigae> sounds ok.
[21:12:39] <Lambda_Aurigae> keep on trucking.
[21:12:40] <ferdna> however, can i see the arduino output using the mkii? or do i have to plug the arduino usb port directly to my computer so i can connect to it using serial usb?
[21:13:06] <Lambda_Aurigae> what output?
[21:14:39] <Lambda_Aurigae> if you are sending data out the USART then you will need to connect the USART to a serial port,,,I'm assuming the arduino you have has a built in usb to serial adapter....so you will have to connect the usb to your pc to see the serial output.
[21:15:17] <ferdna> Lambda_Aurigae, ohhhh... so there is no way to do it with the mkii interface
[21:15:56] <Lambda_Aurigae> to do what exactly? you said output...you didn't say output in what way, through what port.
[21:17:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> the avrisp mkii is just a programmer. it could be, in theory, reprogrammed so it could talk to the avr through the spi port.
[21:17:53] <Lambda_Aurigae> but, again, you still haven't said output from what port...usart, spi, twi,,,
[21:18:17] <Lambda_Aurigae> so, in general, I would say, no, you won't be able to use your avrisp mkii to communicate with the chip.
[21:18:23] <Lambda_Aurigae> other than programming it.
[21:18:27] <ferdna> thank you =)
[21:18:32] <ferdna> thats what i needed to know
[21:28:59] <Tom_itx> partly because the state of reset while avrisp ii is attached
[21:36:25] <umquant> anyone have experience selling their embedded product to a company?
[21:38:27] <Thrashbarg> if it doesn't have flashy lights to impress management it won't work :P
[21:38:28] * Thrashbarg runs
[21:38:39] <umquant> lol
[21:39:48] <umquant> I did a really rough demo for them of a prototype system and they liked it. The next step is discussing the business side of things
[21:58:25] <Tom_itx> marketing
[21:58:28] <Tom_itx> :(
[22:00:28] <Thrashbarg> "Stick it up your nose." "Exactly! What if people want the device fitted nasally?"
[22:53:26] <Valen> Thrashbarg: what is that from again?
[22:53:49] <Valen> sounds adamsish
[22:57:02] <Thrashbarg> Valen: yea, Hitchhikers, when they're on prehistoric Earth