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[01:15:26] <inflex> lo folks
[01:15:34] <inflex> put in my first PCB for production in 2 years yesterday :\
[01:15:41] <inflex> what a weird feeling
[01:15:48] <inflex> wonder if I'll bother to stencil the bastard
[01:18:35] <Casper> commercial one? or just for you?
[03:25:56] <Lambda_Aurigae> Jordan_U, what frequency are you running that chip at?
[03:26:41] <Lambda_Aurigae> Jordan_U, if it is over 8MHz then you have to have a minimum of 4.5V to VCC.
[03:34:07] <Roklobsta> Jordan_U: live a little.
[03:34:29] <Lambda_Aurigae> Jordan_U, looking at the datasheet, anything over 0.9V up to Vcc+0.5V considered high on the reset pin...page 293 of the datasheet...
[03:34:35] <Lambda_Aurigae> hey Roklobsta
[03:35:01] <Lambda_Aurigae> not sure Jordan_U is even still awake. kinda trying to help from something said some hours ago but never resolved.
[03:48:16] <Lambda_Aurigae> Jordan_U, also, if you have any non-ascii characters in the path for the project, that can cause atmel studio to hork hairballs including that error.
[04:03:07] <Lambda_Aurigae> morning abcminiuser
[04:03:39] <abcminiuser> Yahoyohy
[04:04:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> hows the lighting business going for you?
[04:04:54] <abcminiuser> We announced $12m funding this week and Nest integration
[04:05:01] <abcminiuser> Balls dinner time, back in 30 mins
[04:05:16] <Lambda_Aurigae> have fun
[04:06:50] <Jartza> $12m is just 1.2 cents
[04:06:58] <Jartza> ;)
[04:07:05] <Lambda_Aurigae> it's a start!
[04:07:14] <Jartza> true
[04:09:37] <Roklobsta> i seen your bulbs at harvey norman
[04:10:18] <Thrashbarg> is that a complement or an insult :P
[04:10:58] <Lambda_Aurigae> yes
[04:11:21] <malinus> Jartza, I'm having fun with the scope. But it seems that the usb-detection is kinda bugged. Do you need to restart your scope too, for it to detect a usb-flash-device?
[04:11:37] <Roklobsta> It's the biggest retailer of electrical appliances, not the retailer of the biggest electrical appliances.
[04:12:21] <Roklobsta> http://www.harveynorman.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=lifx
[04:12:56] <Jartza> malinus: nope, I haven't had such problem
[04:13:29] <malinus> Jartza, have you upgraded the firmware?
[04:13:45] <Jartza> nope
[04:14:08] <Jartza> seems my sw is 3.40.0(131214.0)
[04:14:33] <Jartza> I've been too busy scoping, haven't had time to think for an upgrade :)
[04:16:05] <malinus> Jartza, I've just figured out there was a "fine" setting for both time and voltage. I wish I realized that before!
[04:24:13] <abcminiuser> Back
[04:24:32] <abcminiuser> Roklobsta, and you bought a hundred of them, right?
[04:24:34] <abcminiuser> Right?
[04:25:37] <Lambda_Aurigae> hmm...at 129 dollars each, even with my new pay raise I can't afford them.
[04:25:44] <Lambda_Aurigae> and WB
[04:26:39] <abcminiuser> Ouch
[04:26:42] <abcminiuser> Well they're niche
[04:27:28] <Lambda_Aurigae> well, better than being Nietzsche I guess.
[04:29:00] <Jartza> malinus: :)
[04:29:50] <Jartza> malinus: I'll try the sw-update today
[04:33:46] <Jartza> after I get home from work
[04:38:39] <Roklobsta> i looked not bought. $129 isn't in the budget
[04:40:48] <Tom_itx> who would pay $129 for a lightbulb??
[04:45:14] <specing> harvey norman is overpriced like hell
[04:47:15] <Tom_itx> i'd want the clerk to demo _all_ the colors for that price to make sure i was getting em all
[05:19:36] <abcminiuser> Tom_itx, enough people to give us 12M in funding
[05:19:44] <abcminiuser> specing, hell yes
[05:20:13] <abcminiuser> Tom_itx, "I see you claim over 16 million colours. I'd like to see the first 10 to verify that claim. Begin."
[05:23:41] <Lambda_Aurigae> how long would it take to cycle through all 16 mil?
[05:25:42] <abcminiuser> Depends on how fast you ask it to
[05:31:42] <malinus> Jartza, there is one? I didn't even know :)
[05:33:38] <Jartza> it seems there's 3.40.0(140208.0) :)
[05:33:51] <Jartza> not sure if there's any difference, but the build number is different
[05:35:33] <malinus> Jartza, I wish it was open source. Try and imagine that!
[05:35:57] <Jartza> yeah, well... maybe one day :)
[05:36:55] <malinus> Jartza, have you tried connecting to it trough the serial interface? You should actually be able to access its shell that way
[05:37:07] <malinus> it does require you to take it apart though
[05:37:49] <Jartza> nope
[05:38:11] <Jartza> I haven't done anything except scoping and taking some captures to usb-stick
[05:38:33] <Jartza> too busy with scoping things :)
[05:38:38] <Jartza> (and playing with saleae)
[05:38:58] <Jartza> saleae is also great
[05:40:24] <malinus> I haven't had the need to debug any digital communication yet
[05:40:41] <malinus> I will probably get some cheap logic analyzer though
[05:43:48] <malinus> Jartza, the hantek.com website is utter crap
[05:58:40] <Lambda_Aurigae> open source on that is gonna be a long ways off I bet. It is likely done in vxworks if it is like many of the other high speed realtime processing systems I work with.
[06:03:15] <Jartza> malinus: true :)
[06:04:22] <Jartza> Lambda_Aurigae: those cheap chinese scopes are running linux
[06:04:32] <Lambda_Aurigae> really?
[06:04:35] <Jartza> yup
[06:04:44] <Lambda_Aurigae> I knew some of the really cheap ones were.
[06:05:05] <Jartza> hopefully they run some rt-variant of linux
[06:05:06] <Lambda_Aurigae> a lot of companies are switching off of vxworks to linux, including Xerox.
[06:05:19] <Jartza> and Kone
[06:05:21] <Jartza> ;)
[06:05:49] <Lambda_Aurigae> kone elevators?
[06:06:14] <Jartza> that
[06:06:24] <Lambda_Aurigae> at least they don't run windows.
[06:06:30] <Jartza> already lot of linux-based product
[06:06:32] <Lambda_Aurigae> that would give a new meaning to "Blue screen of death"
[06:06:53] <Jartza> well the actual elevator is not running linux :)
[06:06:54] <Lambda_Aurigae> Xerox's first generation of linux based machines were BAAAD.
[06:07:03] <Jartza> nor windows for that matter
[06:07:15] <Jartza> as I'm working for Kone currently
[06:07:30] <Jartza> on Linux-projects
[06:07:34] <Lambda_Aurigae> major problems with the software...not to mention the issues with the hardware that were carried over from the previous 3 generations of the same machine.
[06:07:35] <Jartza> like this one:
http://cdn.kone.com/www.kone.ae/en/Images/kone-ksp858-factsheet.pdf
[06:08:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> Jartza, that sucks! I like the old pushy-buttons!
[06:08:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> hehe
[06:08:22] <Jartza> who wouldn't like? :)
[06:08:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> I hope that is some kind of bullet/kid proof glass on those thing.
[06:08:38] <Jartza> kidproof yes, bulletproof no
[06:08:49] <Lambda_Aurigae> not bulletproof, not kidproof.
[06:09:01] <Jartza> with bullet it will shatter to million pieces
[06:09:12] <Lambda_Aurigae> I've seen kids destroy things that would take a point blank hit from a .45 and survive.
[06:09:12] <Jartza> but no worries, it doesn't have lethal voltage inside ;)
[06:10:18] <Jartza> for reasons unknown to me, that touchscreen device sells like a sliced bread
[06:10:33] <Jartza> but that's ok, it provides my income too ;)
[06:11:55] <cast> how do people get a hold of printed AVR8 datasheets? printing 660 pages is a bit intense, just looking at getting a custom print run done, but for 1 copy an a4 bound copy is rather expensive...but it would be really nice if there was already a place that sold them!
[06:12:44] <Lambda_Aurigae> cast, who prints?
[06:12:49] <specing> cast: you don't
[06:13:01] <Lambda_Aurigae> that's what my e-readers are for.
[06:15:01] <cast> its a preference thing, kindles are too slow to flick between pages, tablets screens are harsh, and its good to go lay on the sofa and read a section of a book instead of read off a computer screen, from an ergonomic break point of view
[06:16:10] <Lambda_Aurigae> acer aspire one 10 inch tablet works great for me. I read 100 to 200 pages a day on it.
[06:16:22] <Lambda_Aurigae> err.
[06:16:27] <Lambda_Aurigae> acer iconia 10 inch.
[06:16:39] <Lambda_Aurigae> the aspire one is the netbook I turned into a tablet, kindasorta.
[06:17:47] * cast has an iconia 10"
[06:37:01] <Lambda_Aurigae> ok..I'm off to worky...have fun dropping elevators there Jartza!!
[06:42:36] <Jartza> (y)
[07:08:40] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser, i think you missed a color... could you please begin again?
[07:10:35] <abcminiuser> I'd like to see #FFDC1234 again please
[08:19:11] <Jartza> oh well
[08:19:12] <Jartza> http://www.openhantek.org
[08:30:46] <Jartza> anyone tried that with maybe dso5102? :)
[09:25:22] <Pyrofer_> afternoon
[09:59:48] <Jartza> stupid lcd-display
[09:59:53] <Jartza> I'm trying to learn some eagle
[10:00:01] <Jartza> but creating own components seems to be a pain
[10:00:24] <Jartza> I have this cheap chinese lcd, which has 1.8mm pitch connector
[10:00:25] <Jartza> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv9v09o8gf2v23p/Screenshot%202014-06-25%2017.40.47.png
[10:01:39] <Jartza> looks like creating component wasn't that easy as I thought (or I'm just stupid :))
[10:06:53] <Jartza> I wouldn't even necessarily need a lcd, but it seems there's no such thing as 1.8mm pitch connectors in eagle
[10:48:10] <malinus> Jartza, found a bug :V
[10:48:40] <malinus> Jartza, it seems like the 80s division doesn't work. It's even faster than 40s
[10:48:56] <malinus> I think the 80s is actually doing 20s
[10:49:04] <malinus> Jartza, mind trying out on yours?
[10:52:57] <Jartza> hmm
[10:54:32] <Jartza> oh well
[10:54:38] <Jartza> looks faster than 20 os 40s yes
[10:54:45] <Jartza> or
[10:57:24] <Jartza> although I have nothing so slow it would be useful to me anyway
[11:09:13] <malinus> Jartza, neither do I really. But still ;P
[11:20:30] <Jartza> well, you can always report that to hantek :)
[11:20:51] <Jartza> what's that useful to anyway?
[11:21:04] <Jartza> for testing a really really slow potentiometer? :)
[11:21:12] <Jartza> one that has like 2000 turns :D
[11:22:34] <specing> Jartza: creating gEDA components was easy enough ;)
[11:23:10] <Jartza> well, I've never done any pcb myself
[11:23:26] <Jartza> I've only learned to make some simple schematics with eagle
[11:23:49] <Jartza> now I want to create my first pcb, but straight away I need to start by creating a component :)
[11:26:21] <myself> that's always how it is
[12:36:22] <malinus> specing, I had a lot of good experience with KiCAD
[14:51:55] <Jartza> haven't tried the kicad at all
[15:04:17] <malinus> Jartza, it's free, not like eagle. Which should be enough for you to stay away from it :)
[15:04:23] <malinus> (away from eagle that is)
[15:05:24] <Jartza> I'm using free version of eagle
[15:05:32] <Jartza> and I had some troubles with kicad on mac
[15:13:48] <malinus> it's free as in beer, not as in freedom
[15:13:58] <malinus> kicad is free as freedom
[15:15:13] <Jartza> well, it still didn't work
[15:15:23] <Jartza> which made the choise easy
[15:15:52] <malinus> there should be other free alternatives. As mentioned before - gEDA
[15:31:37] <Jartza> I tried also geda, but didn't understand anything :)
[15:31:49] <Jartza> eagle is the only one I somehow know how to use
[15:32:04] <Jartza> all the others require too much fiddling and learning, for which I don't currently have time
[15:32:11] <Jartza> maybe some day (on summer vacation) or something
[16:03:35] <Kev> also not everybody needs actual "freedom"
[16:03:48] <Kev> i'm ok with simply not having to pay
[16:26:19] <Jartza> me too.
[16:26:40] <Jartza> and also, I firmly believe that the best tool for any job is the one you actually know how to use :)
[16:36:22] <Tom_itx> Jartza gettin it figured out?
[18:53:42] <spillere> i'm with a atmega328p, i'm using a 16MHz external crystal. I'm using Low: 0xFF, High 0xDa, Extented: 0x05, is it right?!
[19:00:18] <Tom_itx> spillere, have you looked at this?
http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc/
[19:01:14] <spillere> Tom_itx yeah, im trying to do a nrf24 communication, and its not working, i'm trying to figure it out if it could be a problem with the fuses
[19:01:24] <spillere> i have a atmega238p with a extenal 16mhz
[19:01:30] <Tom_itx> i don't think i'd changed the E fuse
[19:01:32] <spillere> just trying to figure it out
[19:01:36] <Tom_itx> you generally don't need to mess with it
[19:01:50] <spillere> so leave it with FF?
[19:02:26] <Tom_itx> 0x77 0xD9 0xFF should give you a 16Mhz full swing crystal
[19:02:59] <Tom_itx> if you remove the ckdiv8 LF changes to 0xF7
[19:05:42] <Tom_itx> why did you change HF to 0xDA?
[19:05:49] <Tom_itx> are you messing with bootloaders?
[19:06:28] <spillere> no
[19:06:30] <spillere> that's the proble
[19:06:41] <spillere> i was looking online, i guess these configs are with bootloader
[19:06:50] <Tom_itx> leave HF at 0xD9 then
[19:07:02] <Tom_itx> so all you really need to change is LF
[19:07:07] <spillere> so L:0x77 H:D9 0xFF
[19:07:07] <Tom_itx> for the xtal
[19:07:12] <spillere> i'm not with boarloader!
[19:07:46] <Tom_itx> defaults are LF:0x62 HF:0xD9 EF:0xFF
[19:08:05] <spillere> is that for 16MHz?
[19:08:14] <Tom_itx> no that's factory default
[19:08:26] <spillere> ahh, 0x77 0xD9 0xFF for 16Mhz then
[19:08:29] <Tom_itx> 16Mhz full swing would be LF:0x77
[19:08:39] <Tom_itx> so all you need to change is LF
[19:08:46] <spillere> great
[19:08:51] <Tom_itx> BUT
[19:09:06] <spillere> but?
[19:09:11] <Tom_itx> if you want 16Mhz instead of 8 you also need to clear the ckdiv8 fuse
[19:09:23] <Tom_itx> which will change LF to LF:0xF7
[19:09:33] <Tom_itx> which will give you the 16Mhz you are expecting
[19:10:01] <spillere> perfect
[19:10:02] <Tom_itx> so all you really need to do is change LF to 0xF7
[19:10:13] <Tom_itx> and hook up your crystal
[19:11:36] <spillere> thanks mate!!
[19:11:44] <Tom_itx> yup
[19:12:34] <Tom_itx> that site also gives you the avrdude command to do it
[19:12:37] <Tom_itx> look at the bottom
[19:12:52] <spillere> avrdude -p m328p -c usbtiny -U lfuse:w:0xf7:m -U hfuse:w:0xd9:m -U efuse:w:0xff:m im doing
[19:12:54] <spillere> lets try!
[19:12:58] <Tom_itx> -U lfuse:w:0xf7:m
[19:13:01] <Tom_itx> is all you need
[19:13:13] <Tom_itx> leave the others alone
[19:13:17] <spillere> avrdude: safemode: efuse changed! Was ff, and is now 7
[19:13:25] <Tom_itx> don't worry about that
[19:13:33] <spillere> perfect
[19:13:37] <Tom_itx> some bits aren't used on EF
[19:13:44] <Tom_itx> they default to FF
[19:14:19] <Tom_itx> efuse or lfuse?
[19:14:42] <spillere> avrdude -p m328p -c usbtiny -U lfuse:w:0xf7:m -U hfuse:w:0xd9:m -U efuse:w:0xff:m im doing this is the command im tryinh to program
[19:14:52] <Tom_itx> don't use all that
[19:14:57] <Tom_itx> just use the lfuse part
[19:15:10] <spillere> if i only use the last part, does the rest goes to default?
[19:15:18] <Tom_itx> avrdude -p m328p -c usbtiny -U lfuse:w:0xf7:m
[19:15:29] <Tom_itx> the rest doesn't change
[19:15:39] <Tom_itx> so you don't need it in the command
[19:15:41] <spillere> but what if i have already changed?
[19:15:48] <Tom_itx> change it back
[19:15:54] <Tom_itx> EF won't go back though
[19:16:07] <spillere> hmm, how can i back it go back then?
[19:16:18] <Tom_itx> like i said, some bits aren't used
[19:16:38] <spillere> so: avrdude -p m328p -c usbtiny -U lfuse:w:0xf7:m -U hfuse:w:0xd9:m ?
[19:16:52] <Tom_itx> if you tell it -U efuse:w:0xff:m whatever it defaults back to is ok
[19:17:04] <Tom_itx> you don't need hfuse
[19:17:09] <Tom_itx> you're not changing it
[19:17:18] <spillere> ah ok
[19:17:18] <Tom_itx> unless you already did
[19:17:27] <spillere> i already did
[19:17:36] <spillere> that's what im trying to tell, i used that code i wrote before
[19:17:39] <Tom_itx> it hfuse should be 0xD9
[19:17:44] <spillere> so im just ytuing to fix it
[19:17:47] <spillere> trying*
[19:17:55] <Tom_itx> change LF last then
[19:18:05] <Tom_itx> or you will need the external crystal to finish
[19:18:24] <Tom_itx> because once it's written, it will look there for a clock source
[19:18:38] <spillere> this is the board
http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/10453916_1433210663621141_1533870300_n.jpg
[19:19:36] <spillere> after i change the fuses it says avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK (H:07, E:D9, L:F7), isn't it a bit weird?
[19:20:46] <spillere> did i fucked up with the uC?
[19:24:07] <Tom_itx> lf is ok, HF is wrong
[19:24:12] <Tom_itx> not sure about EF
[19:24:24] <spillere> its weird, i'm trying to chage
[19:24:44] <Tom_itx> let's see what HF0x07 is...
[19:25:20] <Tom_itx> you shouldn't have done that
[19:25:39] <spillere> i have neved put HF as 07
[19:25:39] <Tom_itx> see if you can write the default JUST TO HF
[19:25:46] <Tom_itx> 0xD9
[19:26:09] <spillere> ive used Da and De
[19:26:09] <Tom_itx> -U hfuse:w:0xd9:m
[19:27:07] <Tom_itx> you are setting bits that could get you in trouble
[19:27:12] <spillere> http://cl.ly/image/3E0U0j0V1q0l
[19:27:32] <spillere> its weird
[19:28:30] <Tom_itx> do this:
[19:28:39] <Tom_itx> attach the 16Mhz crystal to the chip
[19:29:26] <spillere> it soldered like i shoed in the picture
http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/10453916_1433210663621141_1533870300_n.jpg
[19:29:37] <Tom_itx> then do this: avrdude -p m328p -c usbtiny -U hfuse:w:0xd9:m
[19:29:59] <spillere> thats what i was doing, still getting avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK (H:07, E:D9, L:F7)
[19:30:23] <Tom_itx> HF is wrong
[19:30:36] <spillere> its ontchanging
[19:30:41] <Tom_itx> you set debugwire on, external reset disable
[19:30:42] <spillere> maybe ill have to solder another IC
[19:30:44] <Tom_itx> and likely more
[19:31:19] <Tom_itx> with DWEN on, i doubt you can talk to it with SPI (your programmer)
[19:31:37] <Tom_itx> i haven't used DWEN but i've heard things..
[19:32:48] <spillere> so tomorrow ill try to desolder this chip and add a new one, then only use the LF as F7
[19:33:10] <Tom_itx> you can recover it but i doubt you can do it with your usbtiny programmer
[19:33:25] <Tom_itx> yeah do that
[19:33:30] <Tom_itx> save the chip though
[19:33:32] <Tom_itx> it's still good
[19:33:43] <spillere> i will
[19:33:49] <malinus> I was searching for some info and examples of people charging li-ion batteries with avr's. First hit was a master thesis
[19:33:51] <Tom_itx> don't screw up the traces desoldering it
[19:33:53] <malinus> that's a bad sign
[19:33:53] <spillere> thats for the help, have to go now!
[19:34:05] <Tom_itx> spillere
[19:34:08] <Tom_itx> are you an aussie?
[19:34:18] <spillere> no brazilian :)
[19:34:25] <Tom_itx> ok
[19:34:36] <spillere> why?
[19:34:37] <Tom_itx> you said 'mate'... that
[19:34:42] <Tom_itx> that's an aussie thing
[19:34:47] <spillere> ahh hahaha, i know :P
[19:35:03] <Tom_itx> what part of brazil?
[19:35:07] <spillere> south
[19:35:09] <spillere> florianopolis
[19:35:19] <spillere> are you australian?
[19:35:23] <Tom_itx> i had friends in recife
[19:35:26] <Tom_itx> no
[19:35:27] <Tom_itx> us
[19:35:45] <spillere> we went to australia game last monday
[19:35:54] <spillere> and supporting usa tomorrow!!
[19:36:28] <spillere> great, gotta go! thanks for the help!
[19:37:00] <Tom_itx> np
[19:58:34] <DarkSector> Does having an internal AREF as opposed to external AREF pose any disadvantages?
[20:02:15] <Tom_itx> none i'm aware of except you only get what they give you
[20:07:46] <DarkSector> Tom_itx, Does it mean I can't work with voltages higher than the internal AREF?
[20:10:31] <Tom_itx> no
[20:10:39] <Tom_itx> err yes
[20:10:43] <Tom_itx> read that wrong
[20:11:02] <Tom_itx> not unless you use a resistor divider externally
[20:12:45] <DarkSector> Okay, so Imma use the external in that case
[20:13:01] <Tom_itx> even so, you can't exceed VCC
[20:13:08] <Tom_itx> or AVCC
[20:13:15] <vsync_> hello avr
[20:13:19] <vsync_> i love fet
[20:14:14] <DarkSector> Okay
[20:14:23] <DarkSector> ATMega128rfa1 is 3v3
[20:14:27] <DarkSector> so imma connect that to 3v3
[20:14:52] <DarkSector> You know I saw a AREF diagram. I think it was coupled with an inductor and a resistor
[20:14:58] <DarkSector> Oh wait, was that AREF or AVCC
[20:15:01] <DarkSector> DAMMIT!
[20:25:21] <vsync_> How critical ADC are you doing?
[20:25:37] <Tom_itx> life support on the space station
[20:27:08] <vsync_> I guess then it'd be worth connecting the AREF through an LC
[20:28:49] <vsync_> the offchance being he's not actually doing any adc
[20:29:08] <vsync_> but, he wants "THE BEST PRACTICE" for the life support on the avr chip
[20:42:56] <vsync_> the anticipation is killing me
[20:54:04] * Lambda_Aurigae gets out the homemade defibrillator....consisting of 2 cast iron frying pans, small,,,some 0-0-0-0 copper wire,,,and a 50A RV outlet plug...
[20:54:54] <Casper> that's bad....
[20:55:09] <Lambda_Aurigae> cure em or kill em!
[20:55:22] <Lambda_Aurigae> either way it will be spectacular.
[20:55:26] <Casper> better use 2 metal spatula and a stove plug... 240V 40A... better than your 120V 50A
[20:55:35] <Lambda_Aurigae> RV is 250V
[20:55:38] <Lambda_Aurigae> 240V
[20:55:39] <Lambda_Aurigae> whatever.
[20:55:53] <Lambda_Aurigae> 30A RV plug is only 120V
[20:56:07] * Tom_itx just prods Lambda_Aurigae with a cattle prod
[20:56:14] <Lambda_Aurigae> bah.
[20:56:28] <Lambda_Aurigae> I volunteered to be tased,,,,twice.
[20:56:34] <Lambda_Aurigae> cattle prod is nothing.
[20:56:56] <Tom_itx> or an electric fence on a cool damp morning
[20:57:06] <Lambda_Aurigae> cops about shit themselves when I was able to grab the taser wires and yank them out and keep to my feet.
[20:57:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> my brother found out it is very difficult to get shocked by peeing on an electric fence...
[20:57:51] <Lambda_Aurigae> difficult, but not impossible.
[20:57:56] <Lambda_Aurigae> you just have to get real close!
[20:58:06] <Tom_itx> it's not a steady stream
[20:58:19] <Lambda_Aurigae> it is if you are like 3 inches from the wire!
[20:58:52] <Tom_itx> which is the bright one in the family?
[20:58:58] <Lambda_Aurigae> me.
[20:58:59] <Lambda_Aurigae> hehe.
[20:59:21] <Lambda_Aurigae> I dared him to do it,,,he did it.
[20:59:31] <Lambda_Aurigae> I got grounded for a week....totally worth it.
[21:02:08] <Tom_itx> he was only grounded for a couple seonds
[21:02:13] <Tom_itx> seconds*
[21:03:09] <Lambda_Aurigae> yup.
[21:03:25] <Lambda_Aurigae> well, not really...he ended up on the ground for several minutes, screaming in pain.
[21:05:19] <Lambda_Aurigae> I'm guessing that when a generator company doesn't post any noise level specs for their portable generators, that means they are loud as hell.
[21:06:19] <Casper> yup
[21:06:42] <Lambda_Aurigae> 2000W sustained, 2500W peak on sale for 200 bucks here.
[21:06:59] <Lambda_Aurigae> my 5000W genny is having some issues with the governor.
[21:07:02] <Tom_itx> i keep one in the garage for outtages
[21:07:11] <Tom_itx> 8k peak
[21:07:20] <Lambda_Aurigae> dang think won't run stable enough to even keep a portable AC unit running.
[21:07:32] <Tom_itx> put a carb kit in it
[21:07:47] <Lambda_Aurigae> I figure a 2KW should be enough to run furnace and fridge.
[21:08:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> recently had the carb rebuilt.
[21:08:04] <Tom_itx> get an onan if you want quiet
[21:08:13] <Lambda_Aurigae> I want quiet and cheap!
[21:08:17] <Tom_itx> oh
[21:08:20] <Tom_itx> scratch that
[21:08:28] <Lambda_Aurigae> hehe..yeah.
[21:08:34] <Lambda_Aurigae> I also want portable.
[21:08:35] <Casper> what about adding a better muffler to a cheap unit?
[21:08:37] <Lambda_Aurigae> for camping.
[21:08:44] <Tom_itx> i had an old one i finally traded for this OHV one
[21:09:17] <Tom_itx> haven't used this one that much yet
[21:09:50] <Lambda_Aurigae> http://www.northwoodswarehouse.com/hardware/a-ipower-sua12000e-12000-watt-generator.html
[21:09:51] <Tom_itx> i had one outtage that lasted 14 days
[21:09:54] <Lambda_Aurigae> I want that one
[21:09:59] <Lambda_Aurigae> but,,,that's more than I need.
[21:10:15] <Lambda_Aurigae> the one I'm looking at is the su2500
[21:10:33] <Tom_itx> my friend got a 15Kw from a grocery store that closed
[21:11:46] <Lambda_Aurigae> I just used up all my luck with my pay raise.
[21:11:55] <Tom_itx> he hooked it up to propane
[21:12:16] <Lambda_Aurigae> what I would love is an old nbest UBS and ferrups system.
[21:12:20] <Tom_itx> with a switchover for the mains
[21:12:20] <Lambda_Aurigae> but those are massive.
[21:12:24] <Casper> Tom_itx: my father got one that lasted 5 weeks
[21:12:29] <Casper> during winter
[21:12:57] <Tom_itx> that was rather unusual for us but i _was_ prepared anyway
[21:13:27] <Casper> father was unexpectly prepared without knowing
[21:13:50] <Tom_itx> i think it was during this ice storm:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/ice/12.jpg
[21:13:57] <Lambda_Aurigae> in the vault years ago we had an N-Best technologies UBS and FerrUPS system..
[21:14:14] <Lambda_Aurigae> propane fired 48V generator that would kick on and recharge the batteries in the FerrUPS.
[21:14:45] <Lambda_Aurigae> aahh, looks like Eaton bought that technology.
[21:15:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/ice/14.jpg
[21:15:24] <Casper> http://alaingazon.ca/Meteo/verglas5.jpg <=== here it was this one
[21:15:33] <Casper> 50 fews in a row :D
[21:15:48] <Tom_itx> i bet that took a while to fix
[21:16:06] <Lambda_Aurigae> looks like the giants are resting.
[21:16:14] <Casper> Tom_itx: 5 weeks
[21:16:33] <Casper> http://www.aaaheatingac.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ice-storm-street.jpg :D
[21:18:26] <Tom_itx> this storm got most of the car windows and N side home windows:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/hail/hail5.jpg
[21:19:10] <Casper> golf ball sized, not too bad
[21:19:27] <Tom_itx> 2"
[21:19:33] <Tom_itx> bigger than golfball
[21:20:13] <Tom_itx> it had melted some by the time it was safe to gather some
[21:20:57] <Casper> ok
[21:21:03] <Tom_itx> you could buy a used car cheap after that
[21:21:26] <Lambda_Aurigae> you could buy new cars cheap after that.
[21:22:15] <Lambda_Aurigae> do a google search for eldora iowa hail storm 2009
[21:22:20] <Lambda_Aurigae> it nearly flattened the town.
[21:23:14] <Lambda_Aurigae> golf ball to tennis ball size hail with up to 70mph winds.
[21:23:27] <Lambda_Aurigae> missed my place by about 8 miles.
[21:24:14] <Lambda_Aurigae> wasn't a building in that town that didn't have windows out...
[21:24:29] <Lambda_Aurigae> including some very old stained glass windows in the churches.
[21:25:02] <Lambda_Aurigae> still see houses and cars both with damage from that storm.
[22:22:58] <inflex> gorramn PCB layout pads for parts drawing people need to learn how to make it easier for people to use them
[22:23:25] <inflex> specify an origin, then provide relative centers for the pads... *arugh*
[22:25:41] <inflex> sad that the cheapest part has the best pad-layout spec drawing
[22:44:44] <Casper> inflex: I noticed that too, the better the part, the shittier the datasheet
[22:48:25] <inflex> Casper: and I'm well trained in drafting/tech-drawing, half the time I'm thinking these higher-end parts drawing people are just trying to show off their 'skills' by making every dimension relative to a previous one that needs computing so that they live by the mantra of never giving excess/duplicate dimensions
[22:49:58] <Casper> then they wonder why people use their competitor product...
[22:51:59] <inflex> exactly
[22:52:28] <inflex> I mean, really... how many trade secrets are you worried about giving away by providing a reasonable suggested PCB layout?
[22:55:58] <inflex> Anyhow... just gnawing on my own impatience here, waiting for my USB controlled switch board to be fabbed and delivered
[22:58:15] <N1njAway> It behooves companies to provide excellent documentation and appnotes for all of their products because it means easier integration, less problems, faster path to market. Companies that don't do that generally aren't around very long. :)
