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[09:22:21] <braincracker> hey guys
[09:26:43] <Epsilon-Auriga_> hello braincracker
[09:27:56] <braincracker> what are you up to ?
[09:28:11] <braincracker> any new cool supersecret tasks?
[09:28:26] <Epsilon-Auriga_> decided this morning to make a robotic snowblower.
[09:28:46] <Epsilon-Auriga_> that or go steal an old ww-2 german tank with flamethrower on it for use in removing snow.
[09:29:11] <braincracker> :)
[09:29:26] <Epsilon-Auriga_> one is about as likely as the other.
[09:32:57] <HappyHax0r> badabing...
[09:33:09] <HappyHax0r> and I now have my AvrISP MKII working with MacOSX
[09:33:18] <HappyHax0r> And there was little rejoicing, except well, for mine.
[09:33:20] <Epsilon-Auriga_> that's nice.
[09:33:47] <HappyHax0r> I vote the wwii german tank w/ flamethrower.
[09:33:49] <HappyHax0r> FWIW.
[09:33:52] <Epsilon-Auriga_> me too.
[09:33:58] <Epsilon-Auriga_> now I just gotta find one.
[09:34:01] <Epsilon-Auriga_> that runs
[09:34:03] <Epsilon-Auriga_> and steal it.
[09:34:15] <HappyHax0r> It's a great conversation piece, and will provide hours of fun at the expense of immolated shit ;)
[09:34:59] <Epsilon-Auriga_> good for traffic jams too.
[09:36:41] <HappyHax0r> Good for causing them, or eliminating them?
[09:36:48] <Epsilon-Auriga_> yes
[09:36:54] <Epsilon-Auriga_> or for getting through them.
[10:14:04] <Tom_itx> Epsilon-Auriga_, little late now to be making a blower bot
[10:15:50] <Epsilon-Auriga_> probably.
[10:15:55] <Epsilon-Auriga_> I have a snowblower
[10:16:04] <Epsilon-Auriga_> just no way to steer it.
[10:33:27] <HappyHax0r> Holy crap. So much freaking sleet.
[10:33:33] <HappyHax0r> Driving around is going to suck today.
[10:33:43] <Epsilon-Auriga_> yeah.
[10:33:48] <Epsilon-Auriga_> planning on staying home today myself.
[10:33:51] <HappyHax0r> I should just stay home and work on my project.
[10:33:51] <Epsilon-Auriga_> we got 4 inches of snow.
[10:33:52] <HappyHax0r> :P
[10:34:01] <HappyHax0r> heh, we got 4 inches of sleet
[10:34:16] <Epsilon-Auriga_> roads are slicker than monkey snot.
[10:34:18] <HappyHax0r> on top of the foot and a half of snow we already had :P.
[10:34:23] <HappyHax0r> Yup.
[10:34:47] <HappyHax0r> And yet I have to go out, gotta get some stuff at the grocery store and get bucket loads of scotch tape, pens, and some gift tags.
[10:34:49] <HappyHax0r> :P
[10:34:58] <HappyHax0r> price of having kids and it being christmas.
[10:35:04] <Epsilon-Auriga_> bah.
[10:35:12] <Epsilon-Auriga_> wrap the kids, forget the presents.
[10:36:42] <Tom_itx> we got 4 " of sleet and 4" of snow. first guy just doens't have a chance....
[10:37:31] <Tom_itx> HappyHax0r you really think they care about the wrapper?
[10:37:58] <HappyHax0r> Tom_itx: not in the least, but as far as parents are concerned the fun is watching their children's eyes light up as they unwrap gifts not knowing what they are.
[10:38:12] <Epsilon-Auriga_> put the sh///stuff in a paper bag and staple it shut.
[10:38:56] <Tom_itx> duct tape
[10:39:01] <Tom_itx> that'll keep em busy for a bit
[10:39:05] <Epsilon-Auriga_> yeah
[10:39:05] <HappyHax0r> Epsilon-Auriga_: Either you're unmarried, or you met the perfect woman if you can get away with that.
[10:39:06] <HappyHax0r> XD
[10:39:09] <Epsilon-Auriga_> duct tape them to the wall!
[10:39:19] <Epsilon-Auriga_> HappyHax0r: wife and I don't give each other presents.
[10:39:25] <Epsilon-Auriga_> not since our first year of marriage.
[10:39:30] <Tom_itx> naw, duct taper _her_ to the wall
[10:39:32] <Epsilon-Auriga_> and we have been married 11 years.
[10:40:04] <Tom_itx> lemme guess.. 2 kids a dog and a cat
[10:40:08] <Tom_itx> and possibly a fish
[10:40:18] <Epsilon-Auriga_> bah
[10:40:19] <Epsilon-Auriga_> one cat
[10:40:22] <Epsilon-Auriga_> 60 chickens
[10:40:23] <Epsilon-Auriga_> 4 ducks
[10:40:27] <Epsilon-Auriga_> no human larva
[10:40:30] <Tom_itx> farm boy
[10:41:06] <Epsilon-Auriga_> children are a 100% fatal sexually transmitted disease.
[10:42:43] <Tom_itx> you sell the eggs?
[10:42:58] <Tom_itx> not human...
[10:43:05] <Epsilon-Auriga_> yeah
[10:43:07] <Epsilon-Auriga_> chicken and duck
[10:43:15] <Epsilon-Auriga_> chicken are 2 dollars a dozen, duck are 3
[10:43:40] <Tom_itx> automated or hand picked?
[10:43:49] <Epsilon-Auriga_> semi-automatic
[10:43:57] <Epsilon-Auriga_> we let them come out of the chicken automatically
[10:44:05] <Epsilon-Auriga_> then pick them up out of the nesting boxes.
[10:44:32] <Tom_itx> you're in the midwest somewhere right?
[10:44:36] <Tom_itx> i forget what you said
[10:44:43] <Epsilon-Auriga_> iowa
[10:44:51] <Epsilon-Auriga_> bout an hour north of des moines.
[10:44:52] <Tom_itx> yeah
[10:45:10] <Tom_itx> i'm from council bluffs but live in ks
[10:45:23] <Epsilon-Auriga_> I used to live down around kansas city, some years ago.
[10:48:59] <emma> ho are things?
[10:49:11] <Epsilon-Auriga_> why is santa so jolly?
[10:49:19] <Epsilon-Auriga_> because he knows where all the naughty girls live!
[10:49:31] <Epsilon-Auriga_> why do you think he is always yelling "HO HO HO!" ??
[10:52:55] <HappyHax0r> hah nice. "We let them come outta the chicken naturally"
[10:53:11] <HappyHax0r> how the hell else would you gettem out?
[10:53:12] <HappyHax0r> XD
[10:54:15] <Tom_itx> vacuum cleanter
[10:57:52] <Epsilon-Auriga_> our chickens are free range...we let them run free during the day and lock them up at night.
[10:58:33] <Epsilon-Auriga_> most of them go back to the nesting boxes and lay...occasionally we find one in the yard.
[10:58:44] <Epsilon-Auriga_> even the duckies go back to the coop to lay their eggs now.
[11:01:50] <Tom_itx> someone around here used to have ostrich eggs
[11:02:18] <Epsilon-Auriga_> how long would it take to hard boil one of those?
[11:02:42] <Tom_itx> no clue
[12:23:34] <braincracker> yo HappyHax0r, sup ?
[12:23:45] <HappyHax0r> notm uch
[12:23:51] <HappyHax0r> eating pizza… watching kids.
[12:24:26] <braincracker> Epsilon-Auriga_ i have a german tank
[12:24:44] <Epsilon-Auriga_> the kind with a built in flamethrower?
[12:25:31] <HappyHax0r> mmmm flame thrower.
[12:30:13] <braincracker> [173650] <HappyHax0r> hah nice. "We let them come outta the chicken naturally"
[12:30:13] <braincracker> [173706] <HappyHax0r> how the hell else would you gettem out?
[12:30:13] <braincracker> [173707] <HappyHax0r> XD - really ? ;) Beware of fake eggs !_2011_apr_7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R54EvuNXEbs Investigation of fake eggs in China. by FujiTV_2009_oct_20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T55tz4qwFMo
[12:30:38] <HappyHax0r> ew
[12:35:31] <braincracker> Epsilon-Auriga_ your question makes no sense :(
[12:35:47] <braincracker> no, mine has built in plasma cannon
[12:36:25] <Epsilon-Auriga_> it is sunday...nothing is supposed to make sense today.
[12:36:26] <braincracker> coolness factor is high
[12:48:04] <HappyHax0r> I wish I could find some time to put towards finishing this project already so I could get on to my next one :P.
[12:48:08] <HappyHax0r> Ungh.
[12:49:59] <Tom_itx> spending too much time on IRC ehh?
[13:10:56] <braincracker> wanna see something new? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv4eTkwjUCY&feature=youtu.be
[13:11:32] <braincracker> it is a must for real hax0rz
[15:55:30] <megal0maniac> Heh. PIC isn't so bad after all
[15:55:33] * megal0maniac runs
[15:56:38] * specing strikes megal0maniac_afk with the power of a thousand suns
[15:57:01] <Epsilon-Auriga_> you trying to get banned from here megal0maniac?
[15:57:17] <Epsilon-Auriga_> what you just said is,,,,heresy!
[16:02:40] <antto> y u make teh avr gods angry
[16:07:53] <megal0maniac_afk> :D
[16:09:48] <megal0maniac_afk> I had very low expectations for PIC. It still isn't great, I much prefer studio to their half-baked netbeans hack, but the coding part isn't all that bad
[16:10:07] <Epsilon-Auriga_> at least mplabx is multiplatform.
[16:11:48] <megal0maniac_afk> The IDE says that delay is an undefined symbol, but it compiles file. The bug dates back to the beta, and the solution is still "ignore it". But yes, multi platform is a plus
[16:12:02] <megal0maniac_afk> *compiles fine
[16:12:23] <Epsilon-Auriga_> avr had multiplatform compilers first though.
[16:12:48] <megal0maniac_afk> Yeah, and they aren't crippled
[16:13:04] <megal0maniac_afk> Because they're free
[16:13:15] <Epsilon-Auriga_> yup.
[16:13:32] <Epsilon-Auriga_> avr tends to be nicer to work with too overall
[16:13:40] <Epsilon-Auriga_> but pic does have its advantages here and there.
[16:13:57] <Epsilon-Auriga_> like, a 32bit pic with hardware usb in a 28pin dip package
[16:14:56] <megal0maniac_afk> Of course. Like any competing products
[16:15:55] <megal0maniac_afk> And powering target from the programmer, and programmer-to-go on the pickit3
[16:16:04] <Epsilon-Auriga_> in the end my preferences run from avr at top down to 8052 to pic
[16:16:47] <megal0maniac_afk> I only have avr and pic on my list :P
[16:17:09] <Epsilon-Auriga_> 8052 has the advantage of being able to run code from external memory.
[16:17:22] <megal0maniac_afk> No experience with anything else
[16:17:49] <megal0maniac_afk> Yip, harvard architecture prohibits that
[16:18:07] <Epsilon-Auriga_> not really
[16:18:15] <Epsilon-Auriga_> 8052 is kind of a modified harvard.
[16:18:15] <megal0maniac_afk> Oh?
[16:18:28] <Epsilon-Auriga_> they have external program and data space capability
[16:18:29] * specing notes of that 8-PDIP cortex-m0 ARM
[16:18:43] <Epsilon-Auriga_> specing: yeah, haven't gotten one of those on my bench yet.
[16:19:42] <Epsilon-Auriga_> do have a couple of 28 pin dip arm chips coming though.
[16:20:11] <antto> 28pin dip leg chips?
[16:20:25] <Epsilon-Auriga_> nope, no legs, just arms.
[16:20:42] <antto> but legs are faster
[16:20:53] <megal0maniac_afk> arms are tqfp
[16:21:09] <megal0maniac_afk> legs are dip
[16:21:38] <Epsilon-Auriga_> http://www.meatandnetworking.com/tutorials/lpc1114fn28-with-open-source-tools/
[16:24:02] <N2TOH> TQFP to DIP adapter board, call it a day
[16:24:44] <Epsilon-Auriga_> added cost
[16:25:13] <N2TOH> for a production run yes sure, for onesie twosie playing around who cares
[16:25:25] <Epsilon-Auriga_> me
[16:25:35] <N2TOH> fair enough
[18:47:20] <DanFrederiksen> crazy cheap tweezer set
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171134452155
[19:28:13] * N2TOH looks at amee2k, http://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-io-python-library-on-beaglebone-black/uart
[20:09:07] <mike_papa> Hello. What's the difference between regular ATmega, let's say 168, and automotive version besides operating temperature limits?
[20:19:24] <Epsilon-Auriga_> temps and voltages maybe?
[20:19:38] <Epsilon-Auriga_> probably mostly temps though.
[20:19:47] <Epsilon-Auriga_> I haven't looked at the automotive to see really.
[20:19:52] <Epsilon-Auriga_> compare datasheets
[20:24:14] <mike_papa> I do... basically temps, voltages, and max clock speed at 16MHz. That's what I found in datasheet. I thought there might be some feautures like stabilizing power, or electrostatic protection... but datasheets don't say anything about that.
[20:24:38] <mike_papa> Seems like temperature is main feauture of automotive line.
[20:24:46] <Epsilon-Auriga_> yeah
[20:24:50] <Epsilon-Auriga_> would say that's it.
[20:25:00] <Epsilon-Auriga_> functionality should be the same.
[20:27:13] <mike_papa> So, basically if I don't plan to stick device to engine block I can safetly use regular one, which is so much easier to buy. I'd love to see better power adaptation to what's happening in car, and some better electrostatic noise protection.
[20:28:11] <mike_papa> I'm affraid ADC will freak out in car, especially anywhere near distributor.
[20:45:55] <Casper> mike_papa: most probably better temperature range and can handle more noise on the supply or something before going up in smoke
[20:49:30] <Epsilon-Auriga_> ADC would need some fun filtering to be anything like stable I would bet.
[20:52:00] <mike_papa> Casper: Yes. All I can find is in general family description on page, saying that there is some kind of "Built-in voltage protection - The on-chip voltage regulator with short-circuit monitoring" - but not a single word about it in ATmega168 datasheet (maybe it's not on all chips), and "We understand that high temperatures, strong mechanical vibration and fluctuating electromagnetic fields require
[20:52:00] <mike_papa> products based on decades of good architecture, meticulous manufacturing and robust testing." - also not many details on that.
[20:53:29] <Casper> basically it's the same device, but that can handle more abuse
[20:58:34] <mike_papa> Ok. Thanks. I thought maybe there is some obvious truth about it, I'm not aware of as hobbyst-amateur. I'll go with regular one, and just use linear regulator for ADC voltage. I hope it will do the job.
[21:00:49] <Casper> if it's for an automotive use, go with automotive version, else use the plain standard one
[21:28:58] <abcminiuser> Anyone feeling like testing a AS6 extension?
[21:46:33] <N2TOH> nope
[21:54:56] <Tom_itx> hey abcminiuser
[21:55:02] <abcminiuser> Ahoy
[21:55:02] <Tom_itx> how's things?
[21:55:07] <abcminiuser> Thingy
[21:55:11] <abcminiuser> Back in Aus, much warmer
[21:55:17] <abcminiuser> New job starts next month
[21:55:31] <Tom_itx> non atmel?
[21:56:43] <abcminiuser> www.lifx.co
[22:00:33] <yunta> abcminiuser: ! finally you're here
[22:00:55] <yunta> abcminiuser:
http://picpaste.com/aewFile6.png <- is this how usb transmission is supposed to look from xmega->host ?
[22:01:16] <yunta> (looks like shit to me, compared to host->xmega)
[22:01:35] <yunta> if not, any hint on what could cause those transitions?
[22:01:46] <yunta> *those ugly transitions
[22:02:20] <abcminiuser> Looks OK to me
[22:02:32] <abcminiuser> It's a little noisy
[22:02:49] <abcminiuser> But it's a differential signal mostly so it will cancel out
[22:03:08] <yunta> this is the other way around
http://picpaste.com/NewFile2.png
[22:03:23] <yunta> but, the time of transition is *so* long
[22:03:41] <yunta> and, it kinda all stops in the middle.....
[22:05:54] <yunta> raise/drop time on xmega = 41.6ns ; on PC =14.4ns
[22:07:14] <abcminiuser> Probably still complaint to the eye diagram in the standard...
[22:07:22] <yunta> hm.... ok then
[22:08:11] <yunta> thanks for help :)
[22:11:15] <abcminiuser> Can't find the exact timing requirements ATM
[22:11:20] <abcminiuser> But it looks OK at least visually
[22:11:35] <yunta> me neither, but I was hoping you've seen output of your xmegas
[22:11:49] <abcminiuser> Not really, I go from the software perspective :P
[22:12:05] <abcminiuser> I think the driver shuts it off early to account for cable capacitance
[22:13:45] <yunta> the reason I'm digging into it is that my xmega doesn't seem to connect with usb3.0 capable ports, and some (very few) usb2.0 ports. and errors reported seem to be of rather low-level nature, not the software protocol.
[22:14:14] <yunta> shortening cable doesn't help with connectivity. but I'll check tomorrow if it helps with the shape of bits
[22:20:37] <abcminiuser> What firmware stack?
[22:22:06] <yunta> non-lufa, my own shit, so ignore it for now. I'll bother you again if I have the same problem with lufa.
[22:22:09] <abcminiuser> Also, no one with AS6?
[22:22:16] <abcminiuser> Did you load the pad CAL values?
[22:23:09] <yunta> I captured those with same timing code (clocks, plls, dffl, ****, cals, etc.) as lufa uses
[22:24:45] <abcminiuser> There are calibration values you need to load into the USB controller on startup manually
[22:25:13] <abcminiuser> NVM.CMD = NVM_CMD_READ_CALIB_ROW_gc;
[22:25:14] <abcminiuser> USB.CAL0 = pgm_read_byte(offsetof(NVM_PROD_SIGNATURES_t, USBCAL0));
[22:25:14] <abcminiuser> USB.CAL1 = pgm_read_byte(offsetof(NVM_PROD_SIGNATURES_t, USBCAL1));
[22:25:14] <abcminiuser> NVM.CMD = NVM_CMD_NO_OPERATION_gc;
[22:25:31] <yunta> yeah, have that in
[23:18:40] <Casper> hey rue_house !
[23:19:07] <rue_house> yes?
[23:19:33] <Casper> for EMT pipe..
[23:19:40] <Casper> do they sell prebent pipe?
[23:19:48] <rue_house> sadly, yes
[23:19:54] <Casper> like a nice "long" 45 degree?
[23:20:04] <rue_house> http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/tutorials/mech/EMTchart.html
[23:20:19] <rue_house> each size only comes in one bend radius
[23:20:28] <rue_house> unless you get into ~2" stuff
[23:20:40] <Casper> I'm actually may have to go 2"
[23:20:52] <Casper> thinking to make a car shelter next year
[23:21:02] <rue_house> ah
[23:21:12] <rue_house> yea, 1" is bit sketchy for that
[23:21:16] <Casper> winter just started... and I'm already sick of scrapping the windows
[23:21:33] <Casper> and since the parking is very narow, a standard one don't fit
[23:21:55] <Casper> I'm not even sure that I can fit one...
