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[08:41:29] <megal0maniac_afk> Hi RikusW
[08:41:50] <megal0maniac> Downloaded Quartus just to get blaster drivers :P
[08:50:51] <RikusW> heh
[08:51:00] <RikusW> hi megal0maniac
[08:51:21] <OndraSter> enjoy :P
[08:51:25] <OndraSter> is it still 6GB to DL?
[08:51:58] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: The one I got was 1.5gb
[08:52:08] <megal0maniac> But I think it's missing a lot
[08:52:15] <megal0maniac> Xilinx sent me DVDs :)
[08:52:16] <RikusW> its probably only the programmer
[08:52:26] <RikusW> +sw
[08:52:41] <megal0maniac> Yeah. I just wanted whatever came with drivers
[08:52:43] * RikusW is torrenting on GPRS, horrible idea...
[08:52:51] <megal0maniac> Yes, that is pretty terrible
[08:53:00] <RikusW> 30MB downloaded, 70MB waste bandwidth
[08:53:43] <megal0maniac> You should have transmission set up back at the flat with DSL. Control it remotely. When you go there again, you can pick it up
[08:54:16] <RikusW> got a free 500MB bundle and tried to download a 60MB torrent
[08:54:29] <RikusW> got no dsl :/
[08:55:04] <megal0maniac> Pity
[08:55:12] <megal0maniac> Not even in Bloem?
[08:56:35] <RikusW> in bloem yes, but I'm on the farm currently
[08:56:46] <RikusW> yahclick is a bit expensive ...
[08:57:07] <RikusW> for the amount of data they give anyways
[08:57:34] <megal0maniac> RikusW:
http://i.imgur.com/ldCzjOOl.png
[08:57:44] <megal0maniac> (made it small for you, added 'l')
[08:58:17] <Tom_itx> what chip is that?
[08:58:36] <Tom_itx> hint: make pin 1 square
[08:58:39] <RikusW> megal0maniac: who soldered it ?
[08:59:15] <megal0maniac> Tom_itx: It's marked with a dot, and "Pin 1"
[08:59:52] <megal0maniac> RikusW: It's an xmega32e5, one of the new ones. Used to be some Renesas thing which I took off :D
[09:00:16] <megal0maniac> I soldered it, but I didn't make the board. That was courtesy of Stellenbosch University :P
[09:00:53] <megal0maniac> Got another one as well which my friend picked up. Had an FTDI chip on it, and whoever was working on it messed up badly and gave up
[09:01:08] <megal0maniac> Heat-gunned the chip off, and claimed the breakout :D
[09:01:10] <Tom_itx> i used to get some of those breakout boards free with orders
[09:01:24] <RikusW> how did you remove it ? hot air ?
[09:01:30] <megal0maniac> Tom_itx: The ebay ones are all square and gross
[09:01:37] <RikusW> ah
[09:01:43] <Tom_itx> no, from board orders from laen
[09:02:07] <Tom_itx> i'll probably never use em
[09:02:48] <megal0maniac> Tom_itx: I was just saying that the ones you get on ebay have a non breadboard-friendly layout
[09:02:57] <Tom_itx> oh
[09:03:04] <RikusW> bbl
[09:03:14] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Cheers
[09:03:26] <megal0maniac> Tom_itx: I have this
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Wagner-Spray-Tech-Corp-30004-Milwaukee-Model-1400-Heat-gun/22210308
[09:03:40] <megal0maniac> My gran used to use it for embossing cards :P
[09:03:59] <Tom_itx> small tip?
[09:04:14] <megal0maniac> Smallish
[09:04:53] <megal0maniac> 14mm diameter
[09:04:53] <Tom_itx> looks smaller than the improvement store ones
[09:05:03] <Tom_itx> about what i'd guess
[09:05:30] <megal0maniac> A little slow, but some tweezers and patience and it works like a charm
[09:05:43] <megal0maniac> For a free heat gun, anyway
[09:05:53] <Tom_itx> free is always good
[09:05:54] <megal0maniac> TQFP32 is much easier than I'd feared
[09:06:15] <OndraSter> 1mm pitch?
[09:07:11] <Tom_itx> i bet it would work good for heatshrink too
[09:07:37] <megal0maniac> OndraSter: 0.5mm according to
http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/packaging/TQFP_32_05-08-1735.pdf
[09:08:06] <Tom_itx> spent the evening wiring my cnc control:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control8.jpg
[09:08:14] <Tom_itx> added the top left board
[09:08:19] <OndraSter> nice
[09:08:21] <Tom_itx> had to move everything over
[09:08:32] <Tom_itx> notice the smps to the left...
[09:08:33] <megal0maniac> Wow
[09:08:34] <Tom_itx> one of mine
[09:08:37] <megal0maniac> Nice :)
[09:08:49] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control9.jpg
[09:09:34] <Tom_itx> the cap/diode in the middle centertap one of the xfrmrs for 24v for the smps
[09:09:38] <megal0maniac> What do you make with your cnc?
[09:09:51] <Tom_itx> blue boxes for one :)
[09:10:05] <megal0maniac> We know about those :P
[09:10:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant8.jpg
[09:10:33] <Tom_itx> working on a new face for that atm
[09:10:37] <Tom_itx> adding more buttons
[09:10:51] <megal0maniac> Ooh
[09:11:15] <Tom_itx> waiting for my engraving bits to come from china
[09:11:26] * megal0maniac wanted a Dremel
[09:11:39] <Tom_itx> all cnc'd
[09:12:00] <Tom_itx> but that one was with the wrong bit
[09:12:01] <megal0maniac> But I decided to pay the car off instead. The responsible, but boring choice :(
[09:12:09] <Tom_itx> hopefully the new bits will work better
[10:01:10] <rw_> hi megal0maniac_afk
[10:02:10] * rw_ is rikusw on laptop in middle of veld looking for 3g :-p
[10:02:11] <OndraSter> megal0maniac_afk, car vs dremel? :D
[10:02:21] <OndraSter> nice choise
[10:02:24] <OndraSter> choice* even
[10:02:27] <rw_> seems to have found it
[10:09:25] <rw_> no table + laptop is problematic
[10:09:25] <rw_> ;
[10:09:39] <OndraSter> left hand to hold the laptop, right hand to type
[10:09:44] <OndraSter> or just sit down
[10:09:50] <OndraSter> and put the LAP TOP on TOP of your LAP
[10:09:51] <OndraSter> :D
[10:10:39] * rw_ is standing for better signal..
[10:14:52] <megal0maniac_afk> rw_: Bring the yagi with you :D
[10:15:23] <rw_> dont have connector for 3g vodafone stick
[10:15:45] <megal0maniac_afk> OndraSter: The dremel isn't THAT expensive :P But I had enough saved up to pay the last little bit off on the car, so now I don't have enough for Dremel anymore :P
[10:15:46] <rw_> though there is some kind of connector inside
[10:15:55] <megal0maniac_afk> rw_: Mini sma kind of thing?
[10:16:10] <rw_> K3765 type from huawei
[10:16:33] <rw_> not quite
[10:16:34] <rw_> not ufl either
[10:17:20] <megal0maniac_afk> I have exactly that. They didn't make a hole in the plastic for the connector
[10:19:44] <rw_> i did :-d
[10:19:58] <rw_> bb
[10:39:17] <OndraSter> megal0maniac_afk, ah I see
[10:39:56] <megal0maniac_afk> So now when I graduate, I'll already have a car :D
[10:40:01] <megal0maniac_afk> But not a Dremel :(
[10:40:12] <OndraSter> when I graduated I did not have a car either
[10:40:14] <OndraSter> nor dremel)
[10:40:24] <OndraSter> I got a car nearly a year ago
[10:40:41] <OndraSter> and still don't have dremel :D
[10:41:07] <OndraSter> so far all the jobs I have/had are/were about either web stuff (PHP) or sysadmin stuff (Windows Server / linux)
[10:41:30] <megal0maniac_afk> Are you done with studies now?
[10:42:32] <OndraSter> lol?
[10:42:35] <OndraSter> started uni last year
[10:42:39] <OndraSter> bachelor = 3 years
[10:42:55] <megal0maniac_afk> Oh, you're talking about graduating from school
[10:42:58] <megal0maniac_afk> We don't talk like that
[10:43:03] <OndraSter> from middle school, yes
[10:43:05] <megal0maniac_afk> Graduation means tertiary education
[10:43:34] <OndraSter> we call it "maturita" (based off the english word mature I presume?)
[10:43:40] <OndraSter> = the finish to middle school
[10:43:50] <OndraSter> should be translatable as graduation (at least that's what dictionaries say)
[10:43:59] <megal0maniac_afk> The last year is called "matric"
[10:44:04] <megal0maniac_afk> So you matriculate
[10:51:15] <OndraSter> Oracle lol?
[10:51:16] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/s/6ld3VL
[11:27:01] <ThiefMaster> any suggestions on decent programs to create schematics/layouts? EAGLE's UI seems to be somewhat counter-intuitive (like not being able to select an item and press DEL To remove it)
[11:27:52] <bsdfox> ThiefMaster, any of the programs that are worth learning have a learning curve
[11:32:07] <ThiefMaster> sure, that's not really a problem
[11:33:23] <bsdfox> ThiefMaster, I've been using kicad lately but it's certainly got its issues
[11:37:46] <tzanger> ThiefMaster: the best way I can describe Eagle's UI is that it's very ... german
[11:38:19] <tzanger> it has a bit of a learning curve and even after 10 years of using it I still feel it's got some ridiculous aspects, but it does work reasonably well for the most part
[11:41:57] <Tom_itx> a good programmer can adjust
[11:42:21] <tzanger> Tom_itx: it's not about that. it's about bad UX
[11:42:46] <Tom_itx> i've used pads as well and haven't found it any better
[11:42:58] <tzanger> altium has a terrible UI as well
[11:43:03] <tzanger> to me it's worse than eagle
[11:43:11] <Tom_itx> so before you complain, show me a good one
[11:43:23] <tzanger> I really liked the old OrCAD PCB and SCH/386+
[11:43:34] <tzanger> Tom_itx: I don't need to have a good one to complain about it
[11:44:02] <Tom_itx> just nonproductive and a waste of reading
[11:44:31] <tzanger> I think complaining about any of them is about the same since none of the people who could effect change are listening anyway :-)
[11:45:06] <Tom_itx> if it makes you feel better...
[11:45:37] <tzanger> heh not really but it's kind of quiet here anyway
[11:45:47] <tzanger> actually I should go to the mall and pick up part of my wife's christmas present
[11:46:55] <Tom_itx> sheet of ice prevents that here
[11:47:26] <tzanger> you're in texas?
[11:48:44] <Tom_itx> N of that
[11:49:17] <tzanger> ah. I have a friend in tx who's in the middle of that stuff too
[12:23:34] <bsdfox> tzanger, I used orcad in college ~2004 and it was god awful
[12:24:03] <bsdfox> I think there's a reason it's not used by industry anymore
[12:24:26] <Tom_itx> heh
[12:28:18] <twnqx> a friend of mine recently came across a little known one
[12:28:24] <twnqx> and he fell in love with it :P
[12:29:04] <twnqx> pulsonix it's called
[12:55:23] <RikusW> zlog
[13:00:20] * RikusW is back on GPRS and comfortable chair :-P
[13:03:18] * twnqx is back to his suite from a nice evening meal
[13:04:55] <RikusW> twnqx: I previously got HSPA access, but it was in the middle of nowhere so I had to stand with a laptop in one hand while typing...
[13:05:28] <RikusW> the current location doesn't have access to 3g
[13:06:33] * RikusW is considering a beaglebone 3g -> wifi repeater...
[13:28:46] <jerkey> help! does anyone know about the arduino pro micro / leonardo ?
[13:29:01] <jerkey> it's a atmega32u4 board with the serial bootloader
[13:29:16] <Tom_itx> ask a real question
[13:30:47] <Tom_itx> i've got a few mega32U4's but no arduino to muck them up
[13:37:05] <Casper> Tom_itx: sound like he didn't liked your answer :D
[13:37:42] <RikusW> jerkey: #arduino ?
[13:37:57] <jerkey> you can just say "i don't know" it doesn't make you less of a man
[13:42:39] <RikusW> its more like we don't want to know....
[13:43:28] <RikusW> arduino isn't popular in here...
[13:47:48] <bsdfox> even more relevant is that he didn't ask a real question.. people may be willing and able to help
[13:53:32] <Tom_itx> you really didn't ask a question yet. so we can't help you until you do
[13:53:57] <Tom_itx> my manhood doesn't have any bearing on your ignorance
[15:19:10] <tzanger> bsdfox: OrCAD in 2004 was still windows based, when they went Windows they f'd it all up
[15:19:33] <tzanger> PCB/386+ and SDT/386+ was awesome. the whole thing was keyboard driven, with mouse assistance, not the other way 'round
[15:32:48] <megal0maniac_afk> jerkey: I'm a little late to the party, but just ask the question. Don't ask if anyone knows something about an AVR, in #avr. People are not inclined to say "yes" to that, instead you'll just get ignored for asking silly questions
[15:33:13] <megal0maniac_afk> To which you don't actually need the answer, while leaving your actual quesiton un-asked
[15:58:44] <bighead123> Hello, what this channel is about?
[15:58:56] <w|zzy> Check the topic :)
[15:59:05] <bighead123> AMG, sorrrry
[15:59:06] <Tom_itx> bighead123, atmel 8 bit avr
[15:59:20] <bighead123> I wrote this message to another channel #sex
[15:59:31] <bighead123> :-[
[15:59:42] <Tom_itx> ok well if you're looking for that, you're in the wrong place
[16:01:31] <Epsilon-Auriga> hmm...microcontroller based sex toys....
[16:01:36] <Epsilon-Auriga> full haptic feedback!
[16:02:03] <bighead123> :D ha ha, I don't like toys except real woman
[16:04:17] <devilsadvocate> http://scanlime.org/2012/11/hacking-my-vagina/
[16:06:49] <bighead123> devilsadvocate: never minded that devil would need an advocate, is she accused for a something?
[16:06:51] <bighead123> :D
[16:07:14] <bighead123> may I copy my message or two, from another channel to here? there I wouldn't get any answer probably
[16:07:53] <w|zzy> as long as it isn't vulgar.
[16:08:05] <w|zzy> and it ends there. :P
[16:08:38] <bighead123> w|zzy: "it ends there" what do you mean in this?
[16:09:21] <bighead123> ok, not about porn of course :D
[16:09:30] <w|zzy> Once you have explained your reasons, we move on. We try to keep the room about electronics and AVRs. Primarily so no one is offended and it is a safe room.
[16:09:47] <Tom_itx> as long as you stay on topic you're welcome
[16:09:58] <bighead123> yes, about this:
[16:09:59] <bighead123> I have lots of ready to use C/C++ written drivers for many LCDs/Cameras/sensors/NANDflash.... so on. I call "drivers" to a sample programs I wrote just for testing hardware, all time I'm writing them at first to make sure device works and to find out things I don't know. They are much more useful than sample codes provided by default (for most of devices I got from china there was no sample code provided at all, actually I got it only for a few LCDs and t
[16:10:07] <bighead123> so I think this drivers could be useful for many newbies who just don't knows how to use for example network controller, 8080 port LCD, camera ....
[16:10:13] <bighead123> maybe somehow I can find a way to sell this code?
[16:10:20] <bighead123> at least I worked on that hundreds of hours in overall
[16:10:29] <devilsadvocate> bighead123: write a book
[16:11:58] <bighead123> does anyone have any different idea?
[16:12:21] <Epsilon-Auriga> write a book and include a CD?
[16:12:44] <Epsilon-Auriga> package the libs up and sell them from a website?
[16:13:05] <bighead123> yes, I think to do so.
[16:13:28] <Epsilon-Auriga> you might find that much of that is available free, however.
[16:13:50] <Epsilon-Auriga> people make money from open source
[16:13:59] <Epsilon-Auriga> give it away and charge for support.
[16:14:13] <bighead123> Epsilon-Auriga: and none of them works, either you will need to rewrite them entirely
[16:14:51] <Epsilon-Auriga> the ones I've grabbed and used, like procyon avrlib, work great....
[16:14:58] <Epsilon-Auriga> just wish they had kept working on that one.
[16:19:01] <bighead123> Epsilon-Auriga: yes, but it's too simple functions, most of them available as separate projects (fatfs for example), ok, anyway doing this would take a long, would find another way to get money :D
[16:46:49] <Epsilon-Auriga> bighead123: if you are good at what you do, get a job doing it.
[16:48:21] <bighead123> Epsilon-Auriga: yes, I think I'm more then good, but there is no such jobs in my country.
[16:49:02] <bighead123> Epsilon-Auriga: I have to make everything in my own until I would get out of here
[16:50:15] <bighead123> Epsilon-Auriga: Any idea how to make money through Internet?
[16:50:36] <Epsilon-Auriga> lots of ideas but none involving AVR, sorry.
[16:53:39] <bighead123> Epsilon-Auriga: why just avr only? I mean embedded electronics in general
[17:00:29] <DrLuke> On the PDI interface, does the clock or the data line go to the reset pin?
[17:04:32] <Tom_itx> i'm guessin the data
[17:08:03] <DrLuke> After thoroughly searching google I came to the conclusion that the clock goes to the reset pin
[17:56:35] <jerkey> the answer is that the linux kernel doesnt work with the leonardo usb emulation of a serial port unless it's kernel version 3.4 or later
[17:57:05] <jerkey> otherwise it pretends to be a mouse after a very brief stint as a serial port
[17:59:28] <Tom_itx> glad we could help
[18:07:07] <Epsilon-Auriga> jerkey: sounds like someone is using vusb.
[18:14:12] <Amadiro> Epsilon-Auriga, the leonardo has a proper usb client peripheral
[18:14:39] <Amadiro> I've never had any issues with it, but no idea if I've tested with linux < 3.4...
[18:31:42] <jerkey> it was driving me nutz, on a time limit setting up an old laptop as a development machine for a 7 year ld programmer
[18:59:46] <ThiefMaster> when driving multiple LEDs (10 total).. is it better to spread it over different PORTs? (the total current won't exceed any maximum but anyway)
[18:59:54] <ThiefMaster> *them
[19:00:41] <Tom_itx> or mux them
[19:00:52] <Epsilon-Auriga> I drive 8 LEDs from a single port all the time.
[19:00:54] <Tom_itx> once you reach a point the whole avr will only drive so much
[19:01:02] <Tom_itx> you may be better off with an led driver
[19:01:24] <Epsilon-Auriga> to be safe, use some kind of driver,,,even a transistor for each one.
[19:01:38] <Tom_itx> if you current limit them like Epsilon-Auriga is likely doing it may be ok
[19:01:55] <Epsilon-Auriga> yeah, always put a current limit resistor inline.
[19:02:07] <Epsilon-Auriga> I have a big pile of 330ohm resistors for LEDs.
[19:02:08] <Tom_itx> but you won't be able to drive them all at once at their full rating which you probably wouldn't do anyway
[19:11:57] <ThiefMaster> yeah i'll add 470 ohm for each LED
[19:17:50] <Casper> ThiefMaster: each pin can supply a maximum of 40mA, each port can supply a total of 100mA WITH THE INTERNAL PERIPHERICAL connected to said port, each power pin can supply 200mA
[19:18:02] <Casper> ThiefMaster: you need to be sure to not excede any of those limits
[19:20:48] <jerkey> thats a lot of current i had no idea
[19:21:13] <ThiefMaster> ok, so with about 5mA per led i'm pretty much on the safe side
[19:21:41] <Casper> seems so
[19:22:08] <jerkey> everyone should know the ixdd604pi is wondeful. two channel mosfet driver available in dip8
[19:30:06] <ThiefMaster> yay, finished for today (
http://i.imgur.com/EEz5EpM.png)... writing code is so much more fun than creating schematics ;x
[19:33:44] <Casper> ThiefMaster: no
[21:28:00] <N2TOH> lol
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