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[05:27:47] <ambro718> has anyone tried this hacked up xmega programmer?
http://szulat.blogspot.com/2012/08/atxmega-programmer-for-050.html
[05:28:44] <ambro718> oh wait never mind, it relies on a particular existing programmer
[05:30:20] <Steffanx> Im not sure if abcminiuser still has it, but i remember a tweet from him he was giving away stuff for free ( free as in you just pay for the shipping ), maybe he has something nice for you ambro718 :P
[05:43:12] <Fornaxian> morning all.
[05:44:06] <Fornaxian> ambro718, the most innovative avr programmer I ever saw was the one where the guy bitbanged a USB hub.
[05:44:19] <Fornaxian> or, the one where the guy used an IDE port.
[05:45:00] <ambro718> heh, nice
[05:45:41] <ambro718> I just realized I could have bought a mega+xmega programmer for almost the same price when I bought my mega programmer :/
[05:49:17] <Fornaxian> I got one from Tom_itx
[05:49:27] <Fornaxian> does tiny, mega, xmega, and the 6pin tinys
[05:49:37] <Fornaxian> man I so wanted to sleep in this morning.
[05:49:39] <Fornaxian> but nooooo.
[05:49:58] <Fornaxian> at 4:15AM I got awakened rather rudely.
[05:50:02] <twnqx> wtf
[05:50:03] <Fornaxian> by an earth shattering KABOOM!
[05:50:15] <twnqx> so turn around and continue :P
[05:50:16] <Fornaxian> fertilizer company across the street blew up.
[05:50:38] <twnqx> i guess that brought some follow up noise
[05:50:48] <Fornaxian> yeah.
[05:50:51] <Fornaxian> and flashy lights.
[05:51:03] <Fornaxian> and, of course, we had to go see what caused it before the flashy lights showed up.
[05:51:11] <Fornaxian> looks like the furnace blew up.
[05:51:38] <Fornaxian> took out a building the length of and half the width of a football field.
[05:51:50] <Fornaxian> removed about 1/4 of the end and totaled the rest of it.
[05:51:59] <Joggl> o0
[05:52:07] <twnqx> yeah, that would make sleeping in difficult...
[05:52:19] <Fornaxian> there is a building between that one and my house that buffered the explosion.
[05:52:28] <Fornaxian> windows are out of that building and I think some siding too.
[05:52:38] <Fornaxian> no windows even cracked on mine.
[05:52:49] <Fornaxian> but damn was it loud and rude.
[05:54:36] <Fornaxian> when I came inside a few minutes ago they had just called the hazmat team out of des moines.
[05:54:46] <Fornaxian> which means something got spilled bigtime in there.
[05:55:23] <OndraSter__> did they do meth in the lab?
[05:55:49] <Fornaxian> no.
[05:56:26] <Fornaxian> but they had enough fertilizer and bug killer and weed killer in there to do some serious damage.
[06:00:16] <twnqx> and someone just had to take a smoke :P
[06:00:28] <Fornaxian> yeah.
[06:00:37] <Fornaxian> don't think anybody was in there though.
[06:00:48] <Fornaxian> was a rather impressive KABOOM though.
[06:11:16] <GuShH> Fornaxian: got any souvenirs from the factory?
[06:11:28] <Fornaxian> factory?
[06:11:40] <Fornaxian> they don't make stuff there...just sell it.
[06:11:40] <GuShH> you said fertilizer company
[06:11:47] <GuShH> well they're useless idiots.
[06:11:50] <Fornaxian> hehe.
[06:12:05] <GuShH> I assumed it was a furnace used for the process of manufacturing
[06:12:11] <Fornaxian> aahh.
[06:12:14] <GuShH> so just a steam explosion
[06:12:16] <Fornaxian> no...furnace for heating the building.
[06:12:29] <GuShH> I almost got one here at home, thermostats failed.
[06:12:31] <Fornaxian> no..not steam...it was definitely propane burning when we got there.
[06:12:38] <GuShH> pressure relieved itself upstairs, wasn't nice.
[06:12:52] <GuShH> Fornaxian: well if the pipes burst you can get the fuel to burn...
[06:12:55] <GuShH> doesn't mean it's what caused it
[06:13:25] <Fornaxian> wasn't a steam furnace...just the kind with the burner in the bottom heating the air chamber and forced air.
[06:13:41] <GuShH> and how do you know
[06:13:42] <Fornaxian> it seems centered on the furnace...we are guessing there was a gas leak and the furnace kicked on.
[06:13:59] <GuShH> and how come they didn't smell the leak
[06:14:04] <Fornaxian> dunno.
[06:14:11] <GuShH> I smell insurance fraud
[06:14:20] <Fornaxian> possibly.
[06:14:26] <Fornaxian> no way to know right now.
[06:14:39] <GuShH> let's put them all in jail for waking you up!
[06:14:41] <Fornaxian> but it is a good profitable building.
[06:14:46] <Fornaxian> err...company
[06:15:26] <Fornaxian> this is a major farming community...these are the guys who supply the chemicals for farming.
[06:15:53] <Fornaxian> everything from diesel fuel for tractors to fertilizer to bugspray.
[06:16:07] <Fornaxian> luckily the anhydrous storage is not close to that building...
[06:16:12] <GuShH> I wonder if the people working there have 3 eyes and 4 legs
[06:16:14] <Fornaxian> that would have been ungood.
[06:16:25] <Fornaxian> no, but they are mostly inbred.
[06:20:28] <GuShH> no wonder things go boom then!
[06:21:51] <Fornaxian> Family reunions usually result in either weddings and funerals....between said events is usually someone saying, "Hey y'all! Watch this!"
[06:23:35] <GuShH> and a baby randomly pops out of one of the girls.
[06:25:49] <Fornaxian> wasn't that an episode of honey booboo?
[06:26:09] <Fornaxian> ((note, I have never actually watched that show nor will I ever voluntarily watch it.))
[06:32:22] <GuShH> Fornaxian: I wouldn't either, but the MAD parody on CN was funny
[06:32:53] <GuShH> "Here Comes Yogi Boo Boo"
[06:33:01] <Fornaxian> no cable here so don't get any of that.
[06:33:10] <GuShH> internet. man. INTERNET
[06:33:22] <GuShH> I don't pay for cable anymore, it's a ripoff and they repeat the same stuff all day long
[06:33:28] <Fornaxian> hehe.
[06:33:47] <GuShH> no actual video on youtube just a guy filming his tv...
[06:33:55] <GuShH> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rmYUuFNoho
[06:34:09] <GuShH> how come some people get away with real videos and some others have to do that?
[06:34:39] <GuShH> I had some music on the background on a video I uploaded once, it got removed.
[07:58:44] <Fornaxian> http://192.171.218.37/share/ can yous guys see that site?
[08:00:10] <w|zzy> Sure can..
[08:00:13] <w|zzy> Looks like a bomb site.
[08:00:36] <Fornaxian> that happened across the street this morning.
[08:01:05] <w|zzy> high wind?
[08:01:10] <vsync_> thts what u get for being a hillbilly living in a redneck part of the country
[08:02:13] <vsync_> it was anarchy! i tell you!
[08:03:03] <Fornaxian> http://192.171.218.37/share/2013-09-21%2007.17.53.jpg in the far back, blue house, is my house...building in foreground is what blowed up.
[08:04:11] <w|zzy> How did it blow?
[08:05:49] <Fornaxian> dunno.
[08:05:52] <Fornaxian> http://192.171.218.37/share/2013-09-21%2007.15.55.jpg
[08:06:08] <Fornaxian> same propane tank,,different angle and closer,,,you can see the damage to the building better.
[08:06:46] <Fornaxian> http://192.171.218.37/share/2013-09-21%2007.16.35.jpg and front side of the building.
[08:11:21] <vsync_> you should not build your houses out of paper...
[08:11:41] <vsync_> that build quality seems like standard american tbh
[08:12:32] <vsync_> "corrugated iron will fix it"
[09:49:37] <RikusW> megal0maniac_afk: hi
[09:51:01] <RikusW> megal0maniac_afk: I just figured out how to add new mega debug support to AS4.18 SP2
[09:51:43] <RikusW> edit C:\Program Files\Atmel\AVR Tools\JTAGICE\AvrTargetJtagIce.dll at 0x1837C
[10:08:34] <Tom_itx> you haven't moved to as6?
[10:12:31] <Steffanx> RikusW is old fasion, you know that Tom_itx
[10:13:36] <RikusW> jtag mki only works in AS4
[14:05:24] <abcminiuser> Jesus that was a poor life decision
[14:07:14] <vsync_> to part #avr?
[14:07:31] <abcminiuser> All you can eat Pizza buffet lunch when I'm lactose intollerant
[14:07:40] <Casper> lol
[14:08:41] <Casper> and you weren't drunk when you decided to go there...
[14:08:57] <abcminiuser> Nope, just thought it was cheap
[14:09:10] <abcminiuser> Low quality pizza, which I'm intollerant to
[14:09:15] <abcminiuser> Now I'm paying big time :S
[14:09:25] <abcminiuser> Send help
[14:22:56] <Enma_Hinobara> Quiz: I have a serial port at 57.6 Kbps. I send about 50 MIDI messages/sec in real-time at about 3 bytes each. Wherein lies the problem (in a naive implementation)?
[14:23:48] <learath> do you actually get 57.6k?
[14:24:30] <Enma_Hinobara> Well you're right, I mean 57.6 kbaud, but that doesn't actually change the answer
[14:24:46] <Enma_Hinobara> So about 11 bits of transmitted data per byte
[14:25:25] <learath> no clue
[14:25:36] <Enma_Hinobara> Anybody else?
[14:27:55] <Xark> Enma_Hinobara: Delay between bytes?
[14:29:02] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, restate the question. Also what mode are you using on the uart
[14:29:29] <bsdfox> you shouldn't be hitting a speed barrier
[14:29:59] <Enma_Hinobara> The problem is that musical notes are inherently quantized, and the human ear can hear skew of a couple ms. Your limit is not how much can be sent in 1 sec, but how much can be sent in 2 ms. At 120 BPM music, most notes will fall on 0.5 sec quantization. So 25 messages or 825 bits (including overhead) in 2 ms
[14:30:01] <bsdfox> are you using 8n2 to get your 11 bits or are you using 11 bits of data (meaning 13? bits per frame)
[14:30:36] <Xark> Enma_Hinobara: Also, isn't MIDI typically 31250bps/8/n/1 (which I think is 10 bits per byte)?
[14:30:38] <Enma_Hinobara> At 57.6 kbaud it takes 14 ms to send 825 bits
[14:32:07] <Enma_Hinobara> Dunno what real MIDI ports are. I'm just using the serial port to talk to my ATmega
[14:33:01] <Enma_Hinobara> Obvious solution in the case where you're playing from a file is to buffer events until a clock is sent, so you can be transmitting events ahead of when they actually play, and use the clock gaps to transmit
[14:33:35] <Xark> Enma_Hinobara: Well, 57.6Kbps at 8N1 should give you >5KB/sec.
[14:34:11] <Enma_Hinobara> Yeah, but to send 825 bits (with overhead) in 2 ms requires 412.5 kbaud
[14:34:13] <bsdfox> Kb
[14:34:26] <Xark> Enma_Hinobara: Or interrupt driven serial.
[14:35:35] <Enma_Hinobara> The bottom line is it's not possible to send MIDI events in real-time at 57.6 kbaud with that many notes/sec due to note quantization
[14:37:31] <Xark> Enma_Hinobara: Is there a reason you don't use a faster baud rate?
[14:37:41] <bsdfox> or just use a parallel protocol?
[14:38:22] <Enma_Hinobara> Serial is all that's built in that I can use to transmit between devices, and I get errors at 115 kbaud (and that's only 1/4 the speed I need anyway)
[14:38:45] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, get a better clock source
[14:38:50] <Xark> Enma_Hinobara: Sounds like you may have a "weak" serial subsystem or something. 115.2 is not that fast...
[14:39:08] * Xark uses 3Mbaud with most FTDI devices....
[14:39:40] <Enma_Hinobara> This is ATmega UART -> RS-232
[14:39:43] <Fornaxian> sounds like a job for SPI!
[14:40:11] <Enma_Hinobara> And by "other device" I mean a computer
[14:40:29] <Xark> Enma_Hinobara: Still, you should not get errors at 115.2Kbps unless something isn't right (I think).
[14:41:10] <Enma_Hinobara> Could be this USB to serial cable sucks ass. I know some other people in this class have been having problems with it. Mine is actually pretty fast
[14:41:16] <Enma_Hinobara> And does not BSOD for me at all
[14:41:24] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, do you know where the error lies? maybe you just need a line driver for the rs232
[14:41:27] <Fornaxian> usb to serial has some inherent realtime issues.
[14:42:07] <Fornaxian> USB is not what one would call a "good realtime interface"
[14:42:14] <daowee> how 'real-time' can you get anyway? if sending from some app running on top of an OS i mean
[14:42:30] <bsdfox> 2ms latency should be possible
[14:42:34] <OndraSter__> 155k2 is nothing
[14:43:04] <Fornaxian> with AVR USART you should be able to get 2Mb/s stable one would think with good stable clock at both ends.
[14:43:07] <bsdfox> you'll get a lot better performance from a synchronous protocol
[14:43:19] <Fornaxian> but I doubt a usb-serial adapter can go much past 115.2K
[14:43:35] <abcminiuser> Depends on the adapter
[14:43:40] <Enma_Hinobara> Of course, but you can't do synchronous for inter-device communcations, can you?
[14:44:01] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, what chip is in your cable?
[14:44:13] <Enma_Hinobara> Don't know. I threw out the packaging
[14:46:00] <Enma_Hinobara> Sabrent brand
[14:46:42] <Enma_Hinobara> This I think:
http://www.sabrent.com/category/cables/CB-RS232/
[14:46:55] <bsdfox> pl2303
[14:46:59] <bsdfox> that's a shitty chipset
[14:47:22] <bsdfox> actually they do sell some ftdi too
[14:47:33] <bsdfox> what's the VID on it?
[14:47:57] <Enma_Hinobara> VID?
[14:48:10] <Casper> vendor id
[14:48:17] <bsdfox> USB Vendor ID
[14:48:25] <Casper> a 4 alpha numerical digit
[14:48:29] <bsdfox> lsusb / device manager etc
[14:48:40] <Enma_Hinobara> Yeah, looking in device manager, sec
[14:49:00] <Casper> 0409:005a ← VID:PID
[14:49:34] <Enma_Hinobara> 067B:2303
[14:49:53] <Enma_Hinobara> So yeah, sounds like PL2303
[14:50:23] <bsdfox> that's likely going to limit you
[14:50:46] <Enma_Hinobara> I know at least one person in the class who couldn't even do 9600
[14:51:12] <bsdfox> sounds like an awesome learning environment
[14:51:45] <bsdfox> you can loop back rx/tx (pin 2/3) on the serial header to test out max baud on the cable
[14:52:05] <Enma_Hinobara> Teacher got the cheapest thing he could find for the adapter, since we weren't doing anything complicated with the UART
[14:52:07] <bsdfox> I had a couple pl2303 several years ago and they always disappointed me
[14:52:10] <Enma_Hinobara> (this is my own term project)
[14:53:15] <Fornaxian> the best usb-serial adapter I have, out of 6 of them, is the one that came with my vex robotics stuff for programming the vex controller.
[14:54:05] <Enma_Hinobara> This is actually an introduction to embedded systems course. I'm going way beyond anything in the normal class homework with this project
[14:55:13] <Enma_Hinobara> (MIDI synthesizer using a synthesizer chip on a breadboard)
[14:55:44] <Fornaxian> I haven't done midi since,,,,the commodore 64 days.
[14:56:15] <abcminiuser> DO NOT USE PL2303
[14:56:34] <abcminiuser> Prolific make the worst drivers since cavemen first started coding kernels
[14:56:42] <bsdfox> :)
[14:56:46] <Casper> pl2303 worked great for my ups (2400 8n1 none) :D
[14:56:55] <Enma_Hinobara> Yes. Other people have been having horrible problems with drivers
[14:57:00] <Enma_Hinobara> Getting garbage data, or BSODs
[14:57:04] <Casper> however I'm on linux
[14:57:08] <abcminiuser> I can guarantee it will personally kick your dog, pee on your favourite rug and burn your house down
[14:57:40] <daowee> show me a ups that works great
[14:57:44] <Roklobsta> abcminiuser: i can vouch for that. awful crap. went ftdi and never looked back for serial ports
[14:58:16] <Roklobsta> except prolific is what you get from Dick Smith for $40.
[14:58:36] <Enma_Hinobara> Does FTDI use the same RS-232 port?
[14:58:56] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, you want to get one that's USB-TTL serial
[14:59:12] <Enma_Hinobara> Oh, FTDI is a chipset, not an interface?
[14:59:36] <bsdfox> boosting to +/-15v is stupid when both sides are 3.3/5v
[15:00:19] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, do you just need to push data from the pc to the avr or bidirectional?
[15:01:02] <Enma_Hinobara> Largely unidirectional. The only thing sent to the PC is ACKs/NACKs (to deal with any transmission errors)
[15:01:57] <bsdfox> go synchronous and don't have transmission errors :)
[15:02:20] <Enma_Hinobara> Can you even do synchronous over RS-232?
[15:03:17] <Enma_Hinobara> For that matter, can you even do synchronous at a distance? I thought it was only for very short distances
[15:03:48] <bsdfox> how long is your run?
[15:03:54] <Roklobsta> over rs232, no. each byte is totally independent with the start and stop bits.
[15:04:05] <bsdfox> ttl won't work well over long distances
[15:04:43] <Enma_Hinobara> I can get by with this 1 foot cable, but more practical would be 3 feet
[15:06:22] <bsdfox> 3ft is fine
[15:06:28] <Enma_Hinobara> So going back a ways, you said it was possible to get 4 mbaud via RS-232 with a good cable?
[15:06:44] <Fornaxian> you can run synchronous 2 to 3 meters easily.
[15:06:52] <Enma_Hinobara> Oh, I see
[15:07:02] <Fornaxian> with decent cable, longer than that.
[15:07:09] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, usb->rs232 is going to be slower than usb-ttl
[15:07:17] <Fornaxian> I run SPI outwards of 5 meters sometimes.
[15:07:35] <bsdfox> Fornaxian, you can do lots with nice line drivers
[15:07:40] <Fornaxian> that too.
[15:07:42] <Enma_Hinobara> What is TTL? I don't think it's one of the meanings I know of for TTL
[15:07:47] <Fornaxian> ttl is 0V to 5V
[15:07:59] <bsdfox> transistor-transistor logic.. it's what the AVR serial port uses
[15:08:12] <Enma_Hinobara> Oh. Didn't sound like that's what it was in the context
[15:08:19] <Enma_Hinobara> So the problem is that RS-232 uses higher voltage?
[15:08:26] <Fornaxian> standard rs232, like what comes out of the PC serial port is -12V to 12V
[15:08:29] <bsdfox> basically just 0-5v instead of rs232 which is +-3-15v iirc
[15:08:34] <Enma_Hinobara> I see
[15:08:40] <Enma_Hinobara> What can you get up to for RS-232?
[15:08:59] <Fornaxian> doing that full swing of voltages means your driver chips have to run harder, use more current...but you can get nice long distances too.
[15:09:31] <Enma_Hinobara> (baud rate)
[15:09:45] <Fornaxian> I've heard tell but never seen 1Mb/s at rs232 levels.
[15:09:58] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, rs232 is really legacy.. I think 115200 is typically the max
[15:10:13] <Enma_Hinobara> bsdfox: That's what I was thinking
[15:10:23] <Enma_Hinobara> Too slow to do real-time MIDI at 50 messages/sec
[15:10:38] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, we use the same protocol with more modern hardware interfaces often though
[15:11:38] <bsdfox> meaning you don't have to change your code at all (except maybe invert? are you going usb->rs232 then rs232->ttl?)
[15:12:06] <Enma_Hinobara> Do serial ports on computers always use RS-232 format, or can they also use TTL?
[15:12:13] <bsdfox> they're always rs232
[15:12:48] <bsdfox> if it uses that 9 pin header it's almost definitely rs232
[15:12:50] <Fornaxian> that is what chips like the max232 are for...rs232 to ttl level converters
[15:13:15] <Fornaxian> usually ttl level serial is a 5 pin straight header, isn't it?
[15:13:33] <bsdfox> I normally see 4 pin
[15:13:40] <bsdfox> 5 is probably for 3.3v
[15:14:13] <Fornaxian> possibly.
[15:14:22] <Fornaxian> I have a 5 pin one here for debugging copiers.
[15:14:28] <Fornaxian> it is likely 3.3V
[15:14:49] <Fornaxian> haven't hacked it yet.
[15:18:46] <Enma_Hinobara> Oh hell, it's 1 PM
[15:18:56] <Enma_Hinobara> Enough procrastinating. I've gotten get this project done this weekend
[15:22:18] <Fornaxian> procrastinate later.
[15:24:00] <Enma_Hinobara> My usual motto is never do today what you can put off till tomorrow
[15:24:03] <Enma_Hinobara> But now I'm out of time
[15:24:16] <Enma_Hinobara> There is no next week to do it
[15:37:00] <Casper> Enma_Hinobara: same here
[15:38:52] <Fornaxian> there is a next week to do it..you just won't get credit for it.
[15:39:59] <Enma_Hinobara> More importantly than that, I won't get the chance to show off
[15:40:44] <bsdfox> Enma_Hinobara, it sounds like you don't have the necessary hardware though
[15:41:18] <Enma_Hinobara> Shouldn't be an issue with buffering
[15:41:34] <Enma_Hinobara> Send events ahead of time then only play them on clock events
[15:42:14] <bsdfox> do you have lots of free ram?
[15:42:18] <Enma_Hinobara> Not 100% MIDI, but should fix the problem
[15:43:30] <Enma_Hinobara> I think I can get by with 64 bytes of buffer
[15:44:21] <Enma_Hinobara> Worst-case scenario should be note off/note on on all 9 channels, or 54 bytes
[15:45:01] <bsdfox> isn't that only 43ms of sound?
[15:45:45] <Enma_Hinobara> That's the worst case for a cluster of events
[15:46:09] <Enma_Hinobara> So the amount that must be bufferred
[15:46:57] <bsdfox> good luck
[15:50:46] <mark4_> has anyone here used the ARM tools from avr?
[15:50:46] <mark4_> are they GNU based?
[15:52:03] <Fornaxian> no and, yes, I think.
[15:52:30] <bsdfox> arm != avr
[15:52:54] <mark4_> right but avr = atmel and im asking specifically about atmel arm tools
[15:53:00] <mark4_> figured someone in here would know
[15:53:18] <mark4_> unfortunately it being GNU based disqualifies it. the gnu assembler CANNOT do what im trying to do
[15:53:30] <mark4_> neither can the ARM assembler from arm/keil :/
[15:53:42] <inkjetunito> get intel
[15:53:59] <mark4_> intel has arm development tools?
[15:54:01] * mark4_ looks
[15:54:12] <bsdfox> mark4_, extend the gnu assembler so it does do what you want :)
[15:54:58] <mark4_> bsdfox, im writing a compiler. the compiler which is being developed SPECIFICLALY so i do not ever have to touch any GNU development tools. im not averse to using them to create this but as they cannot do so....
[15:55:19] <mark4_> and i wouldnt dive into GCC/GAS sources for all of george soros + bill gates personal fortunes lol
[15:55:53] <bsdfox> :)
[15:56:37] <mark4_> crap. i think intels tools are disqualified too because they use eclipse
[15:56:37] <bsdfox> llvm/clang might be interesting if you have some moral objection to gnu
[15:56:44] <mark4_> i hate eclipse more than i hate gcc lol
[15:57:09] <mark4_> its not a moral objection. its a "this is too complicated and STILL cant do what im trying to do" objection
[15:57:26] <mark4_> the gnu debugger is one of the worst ive ever used for debugging ASM code. its HORRENDOUSLY bad
[16:02:30] <abcminiuser> Hear hear
[16:02:33] <abcminiuser> Use Studio?
[16:03:22] <abcminiuser> Incidentally, today's discovery; if you want Studio to start fast, remove the extension manager
[16:06:00] <mark4_> stupid ISP
[16:06:10] <mark4_> intel does not seem to have any arm development tools that i can find :/
[16:06:12] <mark4_> oh well
[16:06:23] <Enma_Hinobara> No, Intel has the Atom and Quark
[16:06:36] <Enma_Hinobara> I wonder how long till there's a Quark Arduino
[16:11:35] <daowee> mark4_: it's an arm assembler you're after is it?
[18:12:43] <ryan-c> Is there any sane way to strip ribbon cable?
[18:13:14] <vsync_> sharp cutters
[18:14:40] <ryan-c> how do you prevent them from cutting through the wire?
[18:15:23] <vsync_> stay sharp
[18:15:31] <vsync_> not that hard even
[18:17:56] <vsync_> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Basic_Wire_Cutters.jpg these kind of wire cutters are the best for the job
[18:18:21] <vsync_> just make sure it hits between the wires and 'tis all golden
[18:21:14] <vsync_> don't particularly like frc though :(
[18:21:34] <vsync_> was it 28 awg? perhaps.
[18:32:11] <Casper> ryan-c: ribbon cables ain't made to be stripped
[18:32:30] <ryan-c> i know
[18:32:33] <ryan-c> i need to do it anyway
[18:32:34] <Casper> it's made to be used in self-crimping connector...
[18:33:12] <vsync_> Casper: orly
[18:33:28] <Casper> well...
[18:33:43] <Casper> I mean self-stripping/piercing/whatever
[18:33:50] <vsync_> sometimes it's nice though, when interfacing stuff. You can make the other end solid and the other end with a connector
[18:34:31] <vsync_> i rarely do pcb's so it's nicer on a breadboard to run the ribbon wires straight to the solid end without using a connector + jumper wires
[18:34:51] <vsync_> and then just add... do not know the english word for it. Stress relief, or the likes
[18:35:20] <vsync_> or... veroboard. Whatever. Didn't mean breadboard tbh
[18:35:21] <ryan-c> this cable is 2.54mm pitch and fairly thick
[18:35:39] <vsync_> it's doable even with 28awg
[18:35:40] <ryan-c> and the connection to the board is one row
[18:35:50] <ryan-c> i think this is 24 or 26awf
[18:35:51] <ryan-c> er
[18:35:53] <ryan-c> awg
[23:26:09] <braincracker> h
