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[04:44:59] <OndraSter_> hmm
[04:45:09] <OndraSter_> at what voltage could the bloody CCFL backlight work in the display?
[04:45:13] <OndraSter_> it is not 15V :P
[04:45:22] <OndraSter_> it is big and thick
[04:45:26] <OndraSter_> no idea at how much those work
[04:46:08] <theBear> err, the actual tubes are generally around 500-800v, but i'm not sure it's a ccfl, does it look like a tiny fluro tube ?
[04:46:18] <theBear> or more like a bit of card ?
[04:47:35] <theBear> and if it's like a bit of card, does it have two solderpoints at one end of the display
[04:52:56] <OndraSter_> card?
[04:53:00] <OndraSter_> it looks like a thick CCL
[04:53:01] <OndraSter_> CCFL
[04:53:17] <OndraSter_> will make photos in a sec
[04:53:42] <OndraSter_> I was looking for an inventor on the board - but there is none, the pins go straight to wires (did)
[04:56:29] <twnqx> inventor?
[04:56:33] <OndraSter_> inverter
[04:56:37] <twnqx> inverter? :P
[04:56:40] <twnqx> ah
[04:56:49] <OndraSter_> eating while typing
[04:56:54] <OndraSter_> or typing while eating?
[05:17:55] <jacekowski> i've read somewhere that those inverters don't use conventional transformers but some crystal based stuff
[05:18:04] <jacekowski> using piezoelectric effect
[05:18:49] <twnqx> you can also just use a high voltage cascade....
[05:19:05] <jacekowski> bit naughty when it goes wrong
[05:30:38] <twnqx> nah
[06:36:25] <braincracker> h
[06:39:55] <Duality> hi all
[06:39:57] <Duality> what is True Read-While-W
[06:40:00] <Duality> rite Operation
[06:40:04] <Duality> oops sorry for that
[06:44:08] <Horologium> read while rite would be reading a book while performing a satanic rite most likely.
[06:46:15] <theBear> heh
[06:48:10] <Duality> would that meen i could make a program write to flash ?
[06:48:34] <twnqx> you can at least do that on most chips, yes
[06:49:39] <theBear> woah dude ! you're worse than rue with the spelling
[06:49:41] <theBear> you break my eyes
[06:51:29] <OndraSter> he is from NL
[06:51:30] <OndraSter> and aren't all NL people stoned all the time? :D
[06:51:30] <OndraSter> (stereotypes ftw)
[06:52:27] <theBear> i dunno, nevertheless most of them spell english better than that :)
[06:54:47] <braincracker> satanic operation atmel ^^
[06:55:11] <theBear> i believe it's spelled manual
[06:55:16] <theBear> but close :)
[06:55:28] <theBear> what happens if you play him backwards ?
[06:55:40] <OndraSter> idd
[06:55:41] <OndraSter> IIRC English is their nearly native language over there
[06:55:41] <OndraSter> (native still being Dutch)
[06:56:14] <twnqx> yeah, dutch is stuck in the middle between german and english. if you know both languages you can understand it pretty well :P
[06:57:34] <theBear> mmm, and german for german sounds a lot like english for dutch... coinkydink ? perhaps...
[06:59:05] <Horologium> Duality, look at bootloaders and the self programming section of the manual. there is a way for many AVRs to write to their own memory, usually from an upper memory section designated as bootloader section.
[06:59:37] <seldon> Kind of. It's much closer to (some kinds of) low german than standard german, and understanding low german for germans who didn't grow up in the region where that particular low german is spoken is generally very difficult. Source: When I visit relatives in the countryside, I'm lucky to understand every other word.
[06:59:56] <seldon> But you can puzzle it out if it's written down.
[07:00:21] <theBear> i meant like deuschland heh wow, i spell german worse than he spells english
[07:00:39] <theBear> but i've been drinking, for several years, it's a reasonable excuse
[07:01:46] <Horologium> seldon, like cantonese and mandarin? different spoken languages but the same written?
[07:02:38] <seldon> I have no idea how cantonese and mandarin work, but it's not written the same. Although low german is rarely written anyway.
[07:03:33] <Horologium> that sounds more like ebonics and english then.
[07:04:23] <seldon> I think it's more like scottish english and english english.
[07:04:23] <Tom_itx> one of those isn't an accepted language though
[07:04:38] <seldon> But I'm not sure about that either.
[07:05:45] <Horologium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebonics
[07:06:28] <Tom_itx> doesn't make it accepted
[07:07:11] <Horologium> hehe.
[07:07:24] <Horologium> they tried to get it taught in chicago schools some years ago.
[07:07:30] <inflex> lo there Tom_itx , theBear and co
[07:07:38] <Tom_itx> hey inflex
[07:07:47] <theBear> loloin :)
[07:07:55] <inflex> how goes matters over there folks?
[07:08:06] <inflex> It's been 300 days since I last touched an AVR :(
[07:08:32] <Horologium> touching something else inflex ?
[07:08:37] <Horologium> like,,,,a PIC??!?!\
[07:08:39] <Horologium> UNCLEAN!
[07:08:42] <inflex> but I have been doing electronics... repaired a mainboard tonight, halfway through repairing an iPod with a smashed up docking connector.... that was fun to get out without destroying it
[07:08:54] <inflex> Horologium: no no no, I'll be doing MSP or ARMs
[07:09:21] <inflex> http://dxp.me/i/ip4.jpg <=- it was not a simple task getting that docking connector off.
[07:09:26] <Horologium> we won't hold that against you too much.
[07:10:55] <theBear> wow, cute little passives next to it
[07:10:57] * inflex would have much preferred if Apple had used a double pitch SMD connector on the opposite side, or better yet, a FPC setup
[07:10:58] <theBear> but thruhole, pfft
[07:11:07] <inflex> theBear: yeah, painful 01005's :(
[07:11:09] <theBear> fpc !?!?? you animal !
[07:11:23] <Horologium> I have a simple solution to repairing apple gear.
[07:11:30] <Horologium> I just simply refuse to touch it.
[07:12:07] <inflex> Horologium: profits are good, and work is a nice thing to have.
[07:12:15] <theBear> meh, it aint so bad, hard bit is popping the case open, but these days i can usually do it drunk without tools, or maybe just a guitarpick
[07:12:45] <Horologium> inflex, I prefer fixing copiers.
[07:12:46] <inflex> In some ways, iPhones are a lot easier than other ooptions on the market
[07:13:06] <inflex> Horologium: eish, inhale much toner?
[07:13:11] <Horologium> plenty.
[07:13:24] <Horologium> waste toner is fun to throw at the campfire too.
[07:13:28] <Horologium> kerWOOOF!
[07:13:39] <inflex> mmm... exploding molten plastic
[07:13:40] <Horologium> highly flammable.
[07:13:49] <vectory> inflex: where to get iphone lcds? got a broken one around :)
[07:13:50] <inflex> Well, so's corn flour.. or flour...
[07:13:55] <theBear> toner is all sticky to my handsey
[07:14:15] <Horologium> inflex, toner is worse than flour...finer and made out of nice hydrocarbons.
[07:14:22] <inflex> vectory: eBay, but there's so many horrible 3rd-party versions :(
[07:14:23] <theBear> and there's always some stupid ultra-soft rubbery roller that an idiot has destroyed by puttin an envelope or sticker or soemthing thru the wrong feed
[07:14:33] <theBear> flour tastes good, i like that on my hands
[07:14:56] <inflex> flour is a hydrocarbon too ... or carbohydrate :)
[07:15:03] <Horologium> true.
[07:15:14] <theBear> maybe both, who am i to say ?
[07:15:28] <Horologium> sharp, hp, and canon toner is pvc...xerox toner is polyester.
[07:15:30] <inflex> ja, not sure what the distinction would be, probably in the oxygen bonds
[07:16:01] <theBear> and the colour, i never seen cmy OR k flour
[07:16:14] <Horologium> theBear, easy enough to make.
[07:16:41] <Horologium> oh man...time for work.
[07:16:44] * inflex really does need to get his hands on a triocular scope
[07:16:44] <Horologium> laters.
[07:16:52] <inflex> cya, enjoy your tasty toner :D
[07:17:40] <inflex> theBear: the pain with getting that docking connector out was trying to make sure I didn't also heat up the passives enough to make them blow or fall off
[07:18:29] <inflex> fortunately melting some leaded solder on to the connector pins made it a simpler job at a lower temperature.
[07:19:14] <braincracker> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=bhefc0&s=5
[07:19:15] <braincracker> :)
[07:19:40] <theBear> mmm, impossible soldering is my hobby, you don't gotta tell me the method that was gonna work :)
[07:21:08] <inflex> I've done 1206 size crystal replacements on iPhone 4's in the past, not a nice job because they have a potting conformal layer
[07:21:19] <inflex> I really don't want to do one of those again
[07:21:48] <theBear> i recently did a err, .8*1.6mm or so cap in a err, s2 fone
[07:21:52] <braincracker> Duality, Horologium, theBear :)
[07:22:04] <theBear> brain, crack, er :)
[07:22:09] <braincracker> hey
[07:22:17] <inflex> if it wasn't surrounded with 0201's and didn't have the conformal potting, I'd be fine, but that black epoxy crap just makes things damned annoying
[07:22:20] <braincracker> found the pic related to the rite
[07:23:15] <theBear> and i only do that kinda thing drunk now, partly cos when you don't work you never have to be sober, and partly cos that makes it a bit of a challenge, too boring sober :)
[07:24:06] <theBear> i'll tell yer what a challenge is, working out an efficient way to couple a big flat 2*2" or so square led into a 3lcd projector, that's a challenge
[07:24:49] <theBear> but i'll be damned if i'll be like all those instructable monkies buying an led with more output than the original lamp and saying it's not bright enough, pfft, 45 degree square reflector and single condensor lens into original diffuser my ass !
[07:25:43] <braincracker> that involves some math
[07:25:47] <theBear> i got a new idea playing around today (one of the projectors is in about a million pieces on my bench right now, surrounded by my collection of lenses and bits) ... square/tubular-angled mirror/reflector tuned to some length
[07:25:56] <theBear> a lot of math, which is even trickier when you aren't a lens ninja
[07:26:03] <braincracker> :)
[07:26:12] <theBear> but i'm going between educated guesses and the limited selection of lenses i have :)
[07:26:20] <Duality> uh if my English isn't good .. tell me what isn't so I could learn from my mistakes ?
[07:26:21] <braincracker> i think building the thing is not that easy
[07:26:35] <theBear> it's EASY to get a little 4 die 10w led focused, but a big flat panel with WIDE angle is tricky
[07:26:42] <braincracker> you can design a hypercube, but who will make it?
[07:26:59] <theBear> some hyper indian dude these days probably :)
[07:27:32] <braincracker> for optics, you need optical grade PMMA
[07:28:42] <braincracker> hm, i saw a led display today, looks bad when leds are not matched
[07:28:44] <braincracker> ;/
[07:28:58] <theBear> oh, i've got projection grade lenses just for the light-feed, salvaged of course... for reflection it'd be nice to learn to ally-coat random surfaces, but i got a bunch of little plastic VERY high reflectivity high temp mirrors i can play with, and even the inside of many beercans is pretty damned shiny
[07:29:08] <braincracker> scrolling text makes moving dots appear to have noise
[07:29:20] <braincracker> (at fix stationary positions)
[07:29:55] <braincracker> a collimator lens does not need coating
[07:30:08] <braincracker> it is some extra
[07:30:27] <theBear> it's true, but i got what i got, and i'm a pensioner with no spending money, letalone glass money
[07:30:31] <braincracker> and nice if it is more scratch resistant
[07:30:48] <theBear> would be very nice if i could somehow fabricate custom microlenses, but nothing has come to mind yet
[07:31:12] <braincracker> use a laser?
[07:31:15] <theBear> in the meantime, i'm pretty sure i can get 90% or so where it needs to go in reasonable directions, just gotta juggle a bit more
[07:31:30] <theBear> i don't have a laser, and i don't have anything to cut them out of
[07:31:44] <braincracker> you can cut it with a mill :)
[07:32:00] <braincracker> it is just... the surface will need to be polished
[07:32:06] <theBear> pfft, you're missing the whole cheapness of my approach, while not comprimising results :)
[07:32:49] <braincracker> in theory toothpaste works for polishing
[07:33:34] <braincracker> it will probably get off a few nm material each pass with a fabric :)
[07:34:00] <theBear> yeah, but in reality the inside of a beercan and maybe some brasso for a finish will be better than not having a mill or even a drillpress, and polishing with toothpaste :)
[07:34:17] <braincracker> hehe
[07:34:49] <braincracker> Bear Grylls showed how to polish that with a piece of chocolate
[07:35:14] <theBear> and i've got a decent selection of lenses now, last council curb pickup (they regular in this council/neighborhood) i grabbed the triplet assemblies out of a couple of rear projections, and i got varying angle and size ones from when i worked at the lighting repair place
[07:35:25] <braincracker> he probably ate the aluminium filled chocolate after that
[07:35:44] <theBear> pfft, he probly got his safety and camera crew to cook him a real meal
[07:35:45] <theBear> sissy
[07:36:01] <braincracker> happens
[07:36:36] <braincracker> we are in the desert, nothing here around in a thousand miles... oops phone rang
[07:37:35] <theBear> hehe
[07:39:28] <braincracker> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2w3sx28&s=5
[07:39:35] <braincracker> favorite with mustard
[07:39:52] <theBear> hmmmm, i dunno man
[07:41:00] <braincracker> first, half-cooked, then fried well
[07:41:33] <theBear> mmm, well at least you know how to cook them
[07:41:44] <braincracker> not big cooking :)
[07:41:45] <theBear> but i dunno how i feel about mustard on taters... mustard is more for ham and steak
[07:42:24] <braincracker> not much, only sprinkle with some salt, and dip the end of chip before eating
[07:42:35] <braincracker> *dip in mustard
[07:42:49] <theBear> meh, i dunno, what kinda mustard ?
[07:42:57] <braincracker> mm
[07:44:26] <braincracker> the thick cream-like mustard
[07:44:33] <braincracker> nothing fancy
[07:45:15] <theBear> wtf ? use a name man !
[07:45:26] <theBear> there are so many fine mustards with so many fine names
[07:45:56] <theBear> dijon and (coloured) poupon, seeded and hot english !
[07:46:04] <theBear> god forbid even american
[07:46:16] <theBear> (it's the name i don't like, the mustard is fine on the rigth food)
[07:46:37] <braincracker> http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-72740446/stock-photo-grilled-sausage-with-mustard-and-french-fries-on-white-plate.html
[07:47:22] <theBear> mmm, likely american mustard, definately if it come in a squeezy bottle to make that pattern
[07:47:41] <theBear> ideally suited to hotdogs, weiner style ones, not bbq ones
[07:47:49] <theBear> tho it can work on bbq ones
[07:47:52] <theBear> i do like hotdogs
[07:47:57] <braincracker> yeah, without preservatives, pesticides, and coloring agents
[07:48:15] <braincracker> i know of one mustard i used to eat
[07:48:48] <braincracker> it also comes in 0.5l jars
[07:49:05] <theBear> lol, well that narrows it right down, sure, i know the .5l jar mustard !
[07:49:10] <braincracker> (you get a jar free haha)
[07:49:27] <theBear> you mean fancy wineglass :)
[07:50:03] <braincracker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soviet_mayones_jar_250_ml.jpg
[07:50:04] <braincracker> :)
[07:54:23] <braincracker> so who is not hungry yet ?
[07:54:31] <theBear> your mum !
[07:54:39] <theBear> heh, sorry, force of habit
[07:57:36] <braincracker> theBear<= :P
[07:57:37] <braincracker> http://www.wikihow.com/Make-French-Fries
[07:57:53] <braincracker> i don't think this is a difficult process
[07:58:46] <braincracker> the hot grease can however splash on your skin
[07:59:48] <theBear> i don't need no stinkin webpage to tell me how to cook foreign foods
[08:00:43] <robotustra> theBear :)
[08:02:40] <braincracker> lol
http://www.wikihow.com/Color--French-Fries
[08:02:47] <braincracker> resistor code the potatoes
[09:56:39] <ambro718> is there any difference between Timer/Counter1 and Timer/Counter3 (atmega1284p)?
[09:58:28] <ambro718> how do I synchronice T/C1 and T/C3?
[09:58:53] <ambro718> so that TCNT1==TCNT3 at every time
[09:59:40] <ambro718> I need to use the two extra output compare units of T/C3 but they need to work on the same time as T/C1
[10:01:23] <v3c> whats wrong with the intuituve solution to start them at the same time?
[10:02:17] <ambro718> it's not an extendable design, sometimes I may choose to use T/C3 for another purpose, then synchronize it to T/C1
[10:02:35] <v3c> with xmega you could use the event system to do it synchronously :)
[10:03:06] <ambro718> but I think "TCNT3 = TCNT1;" will suffice for my purposes though
[10:03:28] <v3c> +1*prescaler, right?
[10:04:13] <ambro718> no, first set prescaler for T/C3 then TCNT3=TCNT1; The offset then should be minimal.
[10:04:15] <v3c> are you using rotary encoders in the reprap?
[10:04:40] <ambro718> no, I just step steppers
[10:05:11] <ambro718> do any repraps have rotaty encoders on steppers?
[10:05:32] <ambro718> basically I'm planning on using one output compare unit for each of the 4 axes
[10:05:46] <v3c> i dont any 3d printer. is why im asking
[10:06:15] <ambro718> I'm already doing X/Y well with T/C1 but I'm trying to get 2 extra axes working with T/C3.
[10:06:44] <ambro718> I could do a something to simulate multiple software timers with one output compare units but that's overhead.
[10:08:38] <v3c> like a sorted array of compare values and update the OC register after every match with the next element of the array?
[10:09:30] <ambro718> yes, but not keeping it sorted is probably faster
[10:09:53] <ambro718> you'd just have to iterate through 4 values to find the minimum, that's not hard
[10:10:47] <ambro718> I'm already solving a quadratic formula for every step lol, so I really worry about speed.
[10:11:29] <ambro718> even had to handcode sqrt and division in asm to get acceptable speed :D
https://github.com/ambrop72/avr-asm-ops
[10:11:45] <v3c> already checked out for future use :)
[10:11:51] <v3c> *cloned
[10:14:12] <v3c> concerning m165 "In order to synchronize timers 0 and 2, you will be forced to synchronize the prescalers for timers 0, 1 and 2"
http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=776088
[10:32:06] <ambro718> doesn't look like you can synchronize timers 1 and 3 perfectly though
[10:32:44] <ambro718> but it seems to be working all right with TCNT assignment, my software shouldn't be sensitive to minimal offset
[10:49:12] <v3c> why you cant stop the timers for the time of updating TCNTx
[10:49:18] <v3c> ?
[10:50:26] <v3c> set prescaler to zero and it stops afaict
[10:50:38] <v3c> well. im off home \o
[10:50:54] <v3c> or wait. RikusW is online
[10:51:01] <v3c> RikusW: hi
[10:51:17] <RikusW> hi
[10:51:34] <v3c> say, whats the clock for fw on U2S. the 16mhz xtal?
[10:51:42] <RikusW> yes
[10:52:13] <RikusW> but I scale it down to 8MHz for most of the builtin code
[10:52:56] <RikusW> you don't even have a U2S, why do you want to know ?
[10:53:07] <v3c> im vectory
[10:53:11] <RikusW> ah
[10:53:24] <RikusW> the serial module use 16MHz
[10:53:37] <RikusW> but 8MHz is the default
[10:54:01] <RikusW> you should set it yourself in main() on the app fw
[10:54:08] <RikusW> I did provide a function for that
[10:54:23] <v3c> changing global prescaler at runtime? didnt do my research :P
[10:55:12] <RikusW> void set_clock(u8 u)
[10:55:26] <RikusW> usb_lib.h
[10:57:13] <v3c> kk cu
[11:41:17] <RikusW> don't be put off by the title....
http://programming-motherfucker.com/become.html
[11:42:36] <twnqx> RikusW: join me writing my tc1796 emulator:X
[11:42:50] <RikusW> whats that ? ;)
[11:42:50] * twnqx just started to implement IO emulation
[11:43:02] <twnqx> a weird SoC
[11:43:10] <RikusW> hmm never heard of it..
[11:43:29] <twnqx> PITA. tons of it.
[12:00:37] <braincracker> mm How to Make Best Homemade French Fries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auS5cDGtYRA
[12:12:03] <braincracker> uh, mahalodotcom : 13,279 videos < this girl lives with camera attached to her
[12:19:16] <twnqx> :(
[12:19:23] <twnqx> my emulator just segfaulted on a test
[12:20:07] <braincracker> happens
[12:55:45] <Badaboom> evil?
[12:56:03] <evilMobius> ya bro
[12:56:08] <evilMobius> like evilbetty
[12:56:12] <Badaboom> lol
[12:57:03] <Badaboom> I tell ya whats evil is trying to stuff to much crap on an attiny and realizing after all the development you need to go to a mega:(
[12:57:36] <evilMobius> yep
[12:57:55] <Badaboom> I Never though i would run out of options on this chip
[12:57:58] <evilMobius> or fit a virtual machine into the attiny and hold your code in external flash
[12:58:00] <Badaboom> but damn
[12:58:05] <evilMobius> and suffer a 10x speed hit
[12:58:10] <Badaboom> yup
[12:58:54] <Badaboom> the funny thing is i kept adding features to my project and i think that was my mistake
[13:28:23] <Badaboom> yo brain
[13:46:34] <braincracker> hey
[14:01:44] <OndraSter__> better braincracker than a nutcracker
[14:07:12] <Badaboom> lol
[14:07:42] <Badaboom> Just got off the phone with a friend of mine in N. dakota..out in the oil fields
[14:07:52] <Badaboom> sorry sorry Dakota
[14:09:37] <Badaboom> He gave me examples of the wages and said Walmart is paying close to $20.00 per hour
[14:12:44] <Badaboom> says ther whole infrastructure needs to be redone due to the oil discovery
[14:26:17] <braincracker> lold, do they really pack small batteries in that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M8N1NzQwO0
[14:27:10] <scipy53> Can someone confirm my understanding of PWM on AVRs? Are PWM commands hooked up to timers, meaning that having a PWM sequence running does not block the main thread?
[14:27:18] <scipy53> Sorry if this doesn't make much sense.
[14:28:09] <Casper> yews
[14:28:14] <Casper> linked to the timer
[14:28:32] <Casper> basically, it go high when the timer reset
[14:28:40] <Casper> and go low when the timer reach another value
[14:28:52] <Casper> value that you preset in one register
[14:29:24] <scipy53> Ok, so I set the frequency, and it does it on its own
[14:29:32] <Casper> so the total cycle length is set by the timer top value, and the pulse length by the "PWM register"
[14:29:33] <scipy53> I can run whatever else I want in the main thread
[14:29:41] <scipy53> Right, that makes sense
[14:29:41] <Casper> yup
[14:29:55] <Casper> you can still use the timer for other stuff
[14:30:04] <scipy53> So would it be possible to have a PWM sequence running, while I simultaneously am reading the ADC
[14:30:10] <scipy53> In parallel
[14:30:13] <Casper> yup
[14:30:16] <scipy53> Very col
[14:30:18] <scipy53> cool*
[14:30:35] <Casper> the PWM is totally hardware, all you have to do is set it up
[14:30:38] <Casper> then forget about it
[14:30:43] <scipy53> Is this because this is hardware?
[14:30:44] <scipy53> Ah ok
[14:30:46] <scipy53> Nice
[14:31:13] <scipy53> Well, I presume I would block the main thread if, say, I have to change the frequency based on my ADC input?
[14:31:29] <scipy53> For whatever amount of time it takes to set that register to the new value
[14:42:29] <Badaboom> Zombie Survival, lol
[14:43:46] <Badaboom> braincracker: Im gonna try an expierment with cell phone batteris like that:)
[14:44:04] <Badaboom> wait..no im not thell explode
[14:46:19] <Casper> scipy53: block the main thread if you do it in an interrupt, while that interrupt execute...
[14:46:38] <scipy53> Casper, Right, ok.
[14:47:02] <cart_man> Hey Guys
[14:47:13] <scipy53> Casper, Also, what defines the limit on pwm frequency? Is it the clock?
[14:47:21] <cart_man> does I2C work on any PIN you assign it on?
[14:47:37] <scipy53> Casper, Like, if I have a 16 MHz clock, can I have 16 MHz PWM?
[14:47:49] <Casper> scipy53: yes
[14:47:57] <Casper> clock and divider and timer resolution
[14:48:20] <cart_man> divider = 1 and Resolution ?
[14:48:27] <scipy53> Timer resolution does not go up to 16M, I think? That's why you use prescalers?
[14:48:31] <Casper> ex: 16MHz divider at /1 and 8 bits (using full length) = 16000000/1/256
[14:49:01] <Casper> 16MHz, /1024 and 16 bits timer would be 16000000/1024/65536
[14:49:26] <scipy53> Wait, so what is the divider doing?
[14:49:58] <scipy53> I think I understand the timer resolution means how many ticks it can register before overflowing and returning to zero.
[14:50:05] <cart_man> divides the clock
[14:50:31] <cart_man> 8Mhz /8 = 1Mhz
[14:50:54] <scipy53> Ok, but if I want to take advantage of the full 16 Mhz, I use div = 1?
[14:51:28] <cart_man> I believe so
[14:51:35] <cart_man> just dont ever do / 0
[14:52:00] <scipy53> lol ok
[14:52:23] <Badaboom> /0 is fun
[14:52:28] <scipy53> I have always set DIV to 1 I think when calculating fuses
[14:52:45] <Badaboom> if you want a dead AVR
[14:52:58] <scipy53> I have a graveyard of MCUs which I accidentally set low swing fuse settings on, and I don't know how to set proper fuses now
[14:53:05] <Badaboom> lol
[14:53:12] <cart_man> well you can REzz them
[14:53:15] <scipy53> hey not funny!
[14:53:16] <cart_man> most of them
[14:53:19] <scipy53> REzz?
[14:53:27] <cart_man> get them running again
[14:53:31] <Badaboom> Fuses are a killer if not set correctly:)
[14:53:36] <Badaboom> yes,, HV
[14:53:40] <Badaboom> programmer
[14:53:42] <scipy53> I'm sure I can, I just don't have the clock source cart_man
[14:53:57] <scipy53> All I have is a USBasp :P
[14:53:58] <Badaboom> scripy53: use another avr
[14:53:59] <cart_man> High Voltage Prog
[14:54:04] <Badaboom> or that
[14:54:09] <cart_man> Oh lol yea
[14:54:23] <scipy53> Badaboom, I tried that, it didn't seem to work. While ago.
[14:54:39] <Badaboom> scripy53: yeah ive had mild sucess with that
[14:54:57] <Badaboom> success
[14:55:15] <Badaboom> best bet is something like avrdoctor
[14:55:35] <cart_man> Badaboom: Do you know if I2C can work on any 2 pins of an MCU?
[14:55:46] <OndraSter__> software one yes
[14:55:48] <OndraSter__> hardware one no
[14:55:56] <Badaboom> cart_man: ive only used SPI
[14:56:57] <Badaboom> OndraSter__: is there somewhere to show interfacing to microsd?
[14:57:03] <OndraSter__> microsd is SPI
[14:57:03] <cart_man> OndraSter__: Pros and Cons of Hardware and Software? Im trying to R/W an external EEPROM
[14:57:07] <Badaboom> oh?
[14:57:10] <OndraSter__> hardware > software by far
[14:57:15] <OndraSter__> software pro: any pin
[14:57:19] <OndraSter__> hardware pro: it is hardware
[14:57:33] <Grievre> why not use the I2C pins?
[14:58:34] <cart_man> afraid I might just use it for something different
[14:58:36] <Badaboom> OndraSter__: so ill just address it in the same way as ive been doing i assume?
[14:58:44] <OndraSter__> do what?
[14:58:52] <Badaboom> the microsd?
[14:59:48] <Badaboom> I guess im asking if theres a certain way or if the setup im using for my SPI for that max7219 will work in almost the same way
[15:00:03] <OndraSter__> SPI is SPI
[15:00:07] <Badaboom> rgr
[15:00:28] <Badaboom> Can't ya tell im new:)
[15:00:53] <Badaboom> but learning fast
[15:02:20] <Badaboom> I think ive read where the sdmicro has to be in a certain format
[15:06:03] <cart_man> Badaboom: Ok but what about SPI and will it work with EEPROM?
[15:06:08] <cart_man> Easy to setup?
[15:07:40] <twnqx> what
[15:07:40] <twnqx> yes
[15:07:52] <twnqx> spi is spi
[15:08:09] <twnqx> eeproms, flash, sdmicro, whatever
[15:08:17] <twnqx> just different commands you send
[15:43:02] <cart_man> Is there a small EEPROM in the Atmega328 that can be programmed on the go? meaning can the AVR program the EEPROM while running?
[15:44:05] <RikusW> yes
[15:45:04] <cart_man> I wanted to add external EEPROM but now I think Ill probably just use the ones inside :)
[15:45:25] <cart_man> if the power goes down it must quickly write 1 variable to the EEPRIM
[15:45:27] <cart_man> EEPROM`
[15:45:49] <megal0maniac> Yoo!
[15:46:11] <cart_man> Hey
[15:47:11] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I think that parcel might be coming back your way :p
[15:50:01] <RikusW> I certainly hope not :S
[15:50:59] <RikusW> megal0maniac: you know you can get the parcel with only the tracking number right ? no need to wait for the card in the mailbox
[15:52:41] <megal0maniac> I usually do. I'm impatient :P
[15:54:26] <braincracker> cart_man<= yeah it may be writte nanytime, you just need about 5ms/byte to write
[15:54:49] <braincracker> 0.5s for 100 bytes
[16:05:34] <ambro718> what's a fast asm algorithm to saturate an integer to N bits?
[16:06:11] <antto> an if maybe
[16:06:21] <antto> or two abs() and some +/-
[16:06:23] <ambro718> I was wondering if it can be done branchless
[16:06:27] <ambro718> I need for unsigned only
[16:06:51] <antto> then the abs() way, it works on floats, should work for ints
[16:07:10] <ambro718> what's the abs way?
[16:07:17] <antto> hold on
[16:07:30] <ambro718> I need this: (x > 2^N-1) ? (2^N-1) : x
[16:07:40] <ambro718> ^ meaning exponent
[16:12:23] <antto> (abs(x+clip) - abs(x-clip)) / 2
[16:13:23] <antto> this is meant for floats, no idea if it's worth it for ints
[16:13:54] <ambro718> probably not heh
[16:17:29] <cart_man> What would I call the internal AVR Eeprom if I want to read about it in the datasheet
[16:17:36] <cart_man> getting some mixed stuff
[16:19:06] <twnqx> eeprom.
[16:19:27] <cart_man> theres different kinds
[16:19:44] <twnqx> there's only one eeprom
[16:20:18] <cart_man> cant seem to find anything on how to read or write to it :s
[16:20:57] <twnqx> #include <avr/eeprom.h>
[16:20:57] <cart_man> found it
[16:21:13] <cart_man> Yea thanks just got it :)
[16:34:34] <ambro718> does anyone have experience with __int24 and __uint24?
[16:53:26] <Roklobsta> ambro: interesting, what has 24bit words?
[16:53:39] <Roklobsta> the old 56000 DSP family did when I last used them
[16:54:36] <ambro718> hm, I only really care about integer arithmetic
[16:55:09] <ambro718> there's a huge performance difference between 32bit and 16bit multiplication on avr, 24bit is sometimes sufficient
[16:57:43] <Roklobsta> does avrgcc support 24 bit maths?
[16:59:37] <ambro718> Yes, via __int24 and __uint24
[17:00:08] <ambro718> http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/avr-gcc#Types
[18:06:39] <Badaboom> If theres only 2 true external interrupts(INT0 and INT1), can i use one of the Pinchange interrupts as long as i create a mask?
[18:26:49] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:26:59] <Tom_itx> but bear in mind they trigger on both edges
[18:27:31] <Tom_itx> you can set that on the INT0-1 ones
[18:32:19] <Tom_itx> http://www.electronicproducts.com/Power_Products/Batteries_and_Fuel_Cells/Engineers_build_lithium-ion_battery_able_to_last_27_years.aspx
[18:32:35] <Tom_itx> http://www.electronicproducts.com/Digital_ICs/Microprocessors_Microcontrollers_DSPs/There_are_1_4_Billion_Transistors_in_The_Latest_CPUs_but_How_Small_Can_Transistors_Shrink.aspx
[18:33:07] <Tom_itx> These transistors are even smaller than the wavelengths of visible light, which measure 400 to 700 nm.
[18:46:44] <Badaboom> gotcha
[18:46:49] <Badaboom> Thanks
[18:56:16] <Badaboom> sigh,, its triggering on its own,, its to sensative,, perhaps debounce?
[18:56:23] <Badaboom> Button
[19:00:42] <Horologium> debounce is good...pullup or pulldown, depending on the circuit, is a must.
[19:02:35] <ambro718> can I do "set register to 1 if carry or 0 if not carry" in one instruction?
[19:03:28] <Horologium> I doubt it.
[19:03:50] <Horologium> have you looked at the instruction set?
[19:06:06] <Badaboom> You can always tell when your nearing the end of a project, all hell breaks lose:)
[19:06:30] <Badaboom> Horologium: ill try a pulldown
[19:07:15] <braincracker> lold Tiny Car Escapes Ticket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8aTi5fM0ro
[19:07:53] * RikusW got inverted adsl.... http://www.speedtest.net/result/2769956629.png
[19:08:06] <ambro718> sbc reg,reg does something similar but not what I need
[19:08:19] <ambro718> I'd need a sbnc, lol, "subtract with negative carry"
[19:09:02] <Horologium> ambro718, maybe an ROL or ROR ?
[19:09:18] <ambro718> doesn't clear the other bits
[19:09:30] <Horologium> so you have to make sure it starts out zero
[19:09:39] <ambro718> yes it seems so
[19:10:19] <Horologium> that's the only way I can see to do it in one instruction.
[19:11:15] <seldon> sbc reg,reg? Haven't tested that.
[19:11:29] <ambro718> it sets it to 0 if !C and to FF if C
[19:11:46] <Badaboom> This 2313 is too small:(
[19:13:14] <OndraSter> 43131
[19:13:16] <OndraSter> 4313
[19:13:22] <OndraSter> or do you mean pin wise?
[19:13:54] <Badaboom> pinwise
[19:14:25] <Badaboom> At first it was great but i had to go and add and add
[19:14:37] <OndraSter> I know that
[19:14:40] <OndraSter> happens to me a lot as well
[19:14:43] <Badaboom> lol
[19:14:50] <Badaboom> Im never satisfied
[19:17:39] <Horologium> that's what i/o expanders are for.
[19:20:39] <Badaboom> yeah, i may have to go that rout
[19:21:00] <OndraSter> it is usually cheaper and smaller to get a bigger chip than smaller chip + expander
[19:27:07] <tzanger> ugh, altium makes me want to go back to a pencil and paper
[19:32:30] <OndraSter> haha
[19:33:10] <OndraSter> I thought that altium was nice
[19:33:45] <braincracker> now WTF is this man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLboyOqi6R8
[19:41:41] <Horologium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVYQO-C8s0o I prefer this one.
[19:46:56] <braincracker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRyyKQQtYqg
[19:47:04] <braincracker> Human Powered Flight
[20:01:48] <braincracker> Horologium <= i like these ERW - Airless Bicycle Tires more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9SWIsY8rzQ
[20:19:34] <Badaboom> arghhhhh
[20:19:56] <Badaboom> I get anywhere near this button it goes off,,,fffffff
[20:20:05] <Tom_itx> breadboard?
[20:20:15] <Tom_itx> you got noise issues
[20:20:16] <Badaboom> yes
[20:20:23] <Tom_itx> and a shitty breadboard
[20:20:24] <Badaboom> Tell me about it
[20:20:32] <Badaboom> any suggestions?
[20:20:43] <Badaboom> other than what we discussed?
[20:20:47] <Tom_itx> make sure the wiring is solid
[20:20:54] <Tom_itx> use pullups
[20:21:11] <Tom_itx> add caps to the supply
[20:21:12] <Badaboom> its halarious,, its acting like a proxy sensor
[20:21:56] <Badaboom> 100nf and?
[20:22:06] <Badaboom> internal pu?
[20:22:11] <Tom_itx> never
[20:22:15] <Badaboom> ?
[20:22:18] <Tom_itx> 10k external
[20:22:21] <Badaboom> rgr
[20:23:01] <Badaboom> Just for future reference, why the 10k?
[20:23:34] <Tom_itx> because you asked
[20:23:46] * Tom_itx pulls another random number outta his butt
[20:23:51] <Tom_itx> 100k
[20:24:09] <Tom_itx> 10k is pretty common
[20:24:13] <Badaboom> rgr
[20:30:47] <Horologium> 10K pullup, 5K pulldown, will hold it low till you press the button..
[20:33:02] <tzanger> Badaboom: sounds like you have a high impedance input. 10k is a good medium-value pullup that should help kill that
[20:34:17] <Badaboom> gotcha, thanks
[20:34:20] <Badaboom> trying now
[20:36:51] <Tom_itx> when we don't feel like calculating the pullup value required we try 10k and hope it works
[20:37:05] <Tom_itx> if it's not enough, switch to 4.7k
[20:37:36] <Tom_itx> 10k should be enough for a button
[20:49:29] <Valen> 10k pullup is a fairly strong pullup
[20:49:39] <Valen> would need decent noise to trip it
[20:49:40] <GuShH> depends on the application
[20:49:58] <GuShH> as much noise as you'd find on #arduino
[20:49:59] <Valen> i did say "fairly strong"
[20:50:03] <Tom_itx> average requirements it would be enough
[20:50:19] <Valen> the built in one is somewhere between 30 and 60 isnt it?
[20:50:24] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:50:34] <Tom_itx> way too weak to be good for much
[20:50:43] <Valen> good enough if the button is close
[20:50:54] <Valen> also comes with the right parts count ;->
[20:51:19] <Tom_itx> external gives you the option to modify it if necessary
[20:51:30] <Valen> horses for corses
[20:51:57] <Tom_itx> i gotta bring my mill back inside. it's just too hot in the garage
[20:52:12] <Valen> we should share some joules
[20:52:16] <Valen> its friggin freezing here
[20:52:22] <Tom_itx> pc was crapping out i think
[20:52:40] <Tom_itx> well i have a cure for you...
[20:52:44] <Tom_itx> come to the fest next week
[20:52:45] <Tom_itx> :)
[20:53:14] <Valen> sure spending $3000 on airfares i don't have anything better to do with that
[20:53:19] <Valen> oh wait eating
[20:53:20] <Valen> ;-P
[20:53:23] <Tom_itx> yeah me either :)
[20:53:44] <Tom_itx> if it weren't here i wouldn't be going and i'm only gonna show one day
[20:53:54] <Tom_itx> probably
[20:54:06] <Valen> you showing off yer wares?
[20:54:13] <Tom_itx> those brainiacs don't need me anyway
[20:54:15] <Tom_itx> no
[20:54:19] <Tom_itx> just gonna show up
[20:54:25] <Valen> ahh
[20:54:36] <Tom_itx> nothing too impressive to show anyway
[20:54:45] <ambro718> hm, I remove dead code and my executable is 250 bytes larger. Gcc always manages to amaze me...
[20:54:56] <Tom_itx> i could take the psu / driver box i did i suppose
[20:54:58] <Tom_itx> but meh
[20:55:27] <Tom_itx> i could give a programmer away
[20:55:43] <Tom_itx> i doubt anybody would be looking for avr stuff there
[20:56:16] <Badaboom> Got it, thanks fellas
[20:56:30] <Tom_itx> what was the magic fix?
[20:56:34] <Badaboom> 10k
[20:56:44] <Badaboom> I had to scarf one
[20:56:59] <Badaboom> Burnt my hand doing it:)
[20:57:09] <Tom_itx> but you will remember it
[20:57:14] <Badaboom> hell yes
[20:57:26] <Badaboom> Everytime i feel the pain
[20:57:30] <Valen> how did you manage to bur your hand on a 10k resistor unless it was connected to mains lol
[20:57:46] <Badaboom> Soldering Iron,,desoldering
[20:57:51] <Valen> I C
[20:58:47] <GuShH> 48v is enough if you hold it for long enough
[20:59:19] <Valen> 's only .2W?
[20:59:24] <Tom_itx> i'm also modding my post a little so it works better with lcnc
[20:59:33] <GuShH> nearly a quarter watt yes
[20:59:38] <Horologium> Tom_itx, what show?
[20:59:55] <Tom_itx> what do you mean what show?
[21:00:10] <Horologium> where you are going...
[21:00:14] <Tom_itx> nowhere
[21:00:21] <Tom_itx> there is a linuxcnc fest here next week
[21:00:26] <Horologium> that valen couldn't cough up the money to go to.
[21:00:28] <Horologium> aahh.
[21:00:54] <Horologium> too bad we are understaffed or I might take a few days off and get down there for a visit.
[21:01:14] <Tom_itx> 17-23rd
[21:01:44] <Tom_itx> all things cnc nurd
[21:01:51] <Horologium> hehe.
[21:02:02] <Horologium> you involved with the hackerspace there round KC?
[21:02:07] <Tom_itx> nope
[21:02:17] <Horologium> what about the LUGs?
[21:02:27] <Tom_itx> my hackerspace is in my garage
[21:02:49] <Horologium> last I heard the KC hackerspace had a place in the caves down there.
[21:03:08] <Tom_itx> that's about 3-4 hrs N of me
[21:03:50] <Horologium> they moved anyhow it looks like.
[21:03:59] <Horologium> I thought you were near KC.
[21:04:14] <Tom_itx> well i'm alot closer to it than Valen
[21:04:30] <Horologium> heck, 3-4 hours is about how far I am from KC too.
[21:04:57] <Tom_itx> aren't you in IA?
[21:05:10] <Horologium> yup.
[21:05:16] <Horologium> right at 4 hours to KCK
[21:05:53] <braincracker> Fix a Flat - Tire Inflator & Sealer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHejWvpibSQ Quick Spair by Slime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la-bhrRqvTY do you have this?
[21:06:01] <Horologium> haha.
[21:06:10] <Horologium> I use slime in my lawnmower and bike tires.
[21:06:20] <braincracker> are these equivalent to liquid latex?
[21:06:21] <Horologium> fix-a-flat is dangerous stuff in the summer.
[21:06:29] <Horologium> slime is,,,slime...
[21:06:34] <Tom_itx> braincracker, it's ground up rubber in slime
[21:06:35] <Horologium> it fills holes and hardens.
[21:06:41] <Valen> I have a spare tyre
[21:06:53] <Tom_itx> me too, i can see it if i look down
[21:07:04] <Horologium> fix-a-flat is slime in a can of compressed something..
[21:07:07] <GuShH> slime is for a quick patch not something you should rely upon on a daily basis like they've marketed it
[21:07:29] <GuShH> "fill it up with slime as a preventive measure" bullshit.
[21:07:30] <ambro718> in inline asm will registers of a multi-byte operand always be together?
[21:07:39] <Horologium> fix-a-flat, if left in the trunk of your car in florida, can detonate.
[21:07:40] <braincracker> was thinking about upgrading my bike by throwing out the inside tube and sealing it up with something
[21:07:41] <ambro718> so I can use movw
[21:07:54] <Valen> I was thinking of getting the missus something like that for her bike
[21:07:55] <Horologium> ambro718, they should be.
[21:08:00] <Valen> motorbike that is
[21:08:11] <Tom_itx> just squirt some expandable foam in it
[21:08:17] <braincracker> hehehe
[21:08:18] <Horologium> braincracker, slime is not for replacing a tube...
[21:08:19] <braincracker> :)
[21:08:21] <Tom_itx> make it nice n hard
[21:08:28] <Horologium> they do make tubeless no-flat tires.
[21:08:35] <braincracker> you'd use pur foam?
[21:09:06] <Horologium> no-flats are harder than a tube tire, however.
[21:09:07] <braincracker> i'm concerned about not having the thing evenly distributed
[21:09:10] <Horologium> make the ride much harder.
[21:09:46] <GuShH> you'll die in the first corner
[21:09:49] <Horologium> putting foam in your bike tire, while a fun project, is good for about 20 minutes riding...less if you are heavy.
[21:09:49] <GuShH> don't be stupid
[21:10:02] <Horologium> the foam will compact and become useless.
[21:10:13] <GuShH> tyres are a dynamic part of your power transmission to the friggin ground
[21:10:19] <Horologium> yup.
[21:10:28] <braincracker> i have kevlar reinforced rims
[21:10:43] <Horologium> no-flats are like hard foamed rubber, or were last time I saw them.
[21:10:51] <braincracker> don't you just hate it when the inside balloon gives up? lol.
[21:11:08] <GuShH> and then you get a kid like Valen.
[21:11:24] <GuShH> o.o
[21:11:26] <braincracker> that is kind-of no-flat, hard to puncture
[21:11:55] <Valen> wha?
[21:11:58] <braincracker> been riding it over glass wrecks without problems
[21:12:11] <Horologium> as a kid I used to split my old tubes open and wrap them around the new tubes...give some puncture resistance.
[21:12:31] <Roklobsta> me too
[21:12:35] <braincracker> hm
[21:12:45] <braincracker> and used what to glue them together?
[21:12:52] <Tom_itx> nothing
[21:12:54] <Roklobsta> i was able to by a heavy plastic strap that would fit between the wall and tyre
[21:13:55] <Roklobsta> i am sure the strap saved me a few times, i rem pulling out a screw that left a mark but didn't penetrate the strap.
[21:21:50] <braincracker> Horologium, Tom_itx so you say this is shit?
http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/05/17/tweel-the-airless-tirewheel/ works fine for military
[21:22:26] <Horologium> nope
[21:23:10] <Horologium> http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/203/5174/ITEM/Michelin-Bib-Mousse-Flat-Proof-Competition-Foam-Tube.aspx?SiteID=Google_PLA203&WT.mc_ID=10012&esvt=0-GOUSC&esvadt=9-0-3886819-1&esvaid=30548&kw={keyword}&gclid=CI72u-b537cCFZBcMgod1xwANg
[21:23:18] <Horologium> that's more like what I was talking about
[21:23:24] <Tom_itx> i think they have problems with them
[21:23:33] <Tom_itx> i've seen that before
[21:24:45] <Roklobsta> This strap is good.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/511394212/high_quality_anti_puncture_bicycle_and.html
[21:28:00] <beaky> hello
[21:28:30] <braincracker> http://thethrottle.thechive.com/2012/04/04/why-not-reinvent-the-wheel-23-pictures/airless-tire-500-tumblr_liuchs3qey1qc5afvo1_500wtmk/
[21:28:32] <braincracker> :)
[21:29:19] <Roklobsta> must be a bitch when the laces come undone
[21:30:11] <braincracker> now boot it and you are ready to roll
[21:31:18] <Horologium> http://inkoutbreak.com/inker.php?comic=d3fa44c6521d24418b87b29b07c271d7&comiced=202175
[21:31:45] <beaky> aga
[21:31:54] <beaky> how do I build a robot with avr?
[21:32:10] <beaky> the avr tools have pictures of sweet robots on them
[21:32:29] <beaky> but I am struggling to build my own :(
[21:32:41] <beaky> I just want a robot that would follow me around as a pet
[21:33:19] <beaky> and maybe debug my avrs :D
[21:33:33] <Horologium> first,
[21:33:36] <Horologium> learn to program
[21:33:37] <Horologium> second,
[21:33:46] <Horologium> learn to build nifty robotic shells
[21:33:47] <Horologium> third,
[21:33:49] <beaky> ah
[21:33:50] <Horologium> put the two together
[21:33:56] <Horologium> fourth,
[21:34:13] <Horologium> hire a bunch of MIT robotics students to make it work for you.
[21:34:14] <beaky> lol
[21:34:28] <beaky> I am an robotics students
[21:34:39] <Horologium> I weep for the future of robotics
[21:34:44] <beaky> but I haven't the faintest clue :(
[21:34:47] <beaky> hehe
[21:35:14] <beaky> alright I will google for 'line-following robot with avr'
[21:35:52] <Horologium> get some old first generation lego robotics stuff and build your own controller with avr
[21:36:01] <Horologium> that's how I got into robotics.
[21:36:05] <beaky> ah
[21:36:15] <braincracker> this one comes with a young lady
http://thethrottle.thechive.com/2012/04/04/why-not-reinvent-the-wheel-23-pictures/airless-tire-500-c18b78e5b797168d250ab7fb8fb996a1wtmk/
[21:36:16] <beaky> so I just find a nice kit to bootstrap my learning?
[21:36:51] <beaky> is that a robot?
[21:37:07] <Roklobsta> beaky: i think you should go to your nanas and start with her old AppleII Logo turtle.
[21:37:10] <Horologium> always gotta have a kit
[21:37:21] <Horologium> go to rat-shack and buy one of their ardweeny robot kits.
[21:37:36] <beaky> I tried to roll my own robot by duck taping motors to a breadboard
[21:37:40] <beaky> it failed horribly
[21:37:49] <Horologium> they are only priced at triple what they are worth.
[21:38:02] <Horologium> use j-b weld instead of duct tape.
[21:38:05] <Valen> beaky: how old are you?
[21:38:10] <Horologium> or, use duct tape instead of duck tape.
[21:38:23] <beaky> I am 19
[21:38:26] <Roklobsta> wow, is this the best the MIT robotics labs can teach now?
[21:38:31] <Horologium> duck tape is what you wrap ducks in to keep them from exploding when you b--- ---- them
[21:38:58] <Valen> beaky: i suggest then finding a local hacker space or other robotics community
[21:39:08] <beaky> ah
[21:39:14] <Valen> have a look at what people are doing
[21:40:04] <Roklobsta> and invest in a hot glue gun.
[21:40:18] <beaky> right
[21:40:33] <beaky> I think I will buy a cheap RC car and hack the controller
[21:40:34] <Valen> also having a paticular goal in mind is a good plan
[21:41:24] <Roklobsta> yeah, try make a robot that uses the principles of Segway
[21:41:54] <Valen> perhaps crawling before walking
[21:42:20] <beaky> I just learned how to use avr, and how to interface DC motors with h-bridges, and thats it :(
[21:42:32] <beaky> not how to assemble a proper robot
[21:42:45] <Roklobsta> do you like the smell of a burned out H dridge?
[21:43:05] <beaky> ah no
[21:43:11] <beaky> I didn't burn mine yet
[21:43:22] <beaky> I only burned my first avr when I hooked it to 15v
[21:43:47] <beaky> so I ordered a bunch from digikey for educational experiments
[21:44:36] <beaky> the nice thing about avr is how they work in a wide range of voltages from 1V all the way to 5V
[21:44:51] <beaky> and how power efficient they are
[21:45:04] <braincracker> found a weenie project if you are bored
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEZs0HpFQc
[21:45:15] <braincracker> BFF2 shoe lacer
[21:46:08] <beaky> wow that is awesome
[21:46:30] <beaky> is that a servo
[21:49:16] <beaky> alright when the stores open I will get those cheapo rc cars
[21:49:27] <beaky> and see if I can fit my motor controller to them
[21:49:56] <braincracker> no i think you have problems if you can't tie your shoe
[21:50:13] <beaky> haha
[21:53:05] <braincracker> beaky <=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAePZGgpAA
[21:53:18] <braincracker> Free Energy Generator 2
[21:53:44] <beaky> that is insane
[21:56:33] <Valen> beaky: you do know its all fake right?
[21:57:44] <beaky> yeah :D
[21:57:47] <beaky> it's a silly joke
[22:12:26] <braincracker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41eb3G5abwg
[22:12:49] <braincracker> wondering how cops would look at him with that modified stop sign ;>>
[23:04:45] <Badaboom> Very useful for newbs:
http://support.atmel.com/bin/customer.exe?=&action=viewKbEntry&id=368
[23:09:27] <Roklobsta> yes. for n00bs.
[23:11:16] <Badaboom> Im craving shrimp
[23:12:49] <Roklobsta> PRAWNS
[23:13:04] <Badaboom> lmfao
[23:13:07] <Badaboom> Gotcha
[23:13:10] <Roklobsta> BTW, here's an excellent fractal antenna.
http://www.monkeypuzzleblog.com/2012/04/coathanger-antenna-map-of-australia.html
[23:13:29] <Roklobsta> I think blue whales each shrimp.
[23:13:31] <Badaboom> lol
[23:14:23] <Badaboom> I have the series The Blue Planet, very neat
[23:15:43] <Badaboom> Isnt it the Blue thats the largest?
[23:16:33] <Roklobsta> sperm?
[23:17:21] <Badaboom> See thats what i thought but this documentary says it's not
[23:17:39] <Badaboom> Its either the blue or...ill have to watch that part
[23:18:21] <Badaboom> Yep, it's the Blue
[23:20:37] <Badaboom> http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/blue-whale/
