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[03:08:17] <s> hello
[03:08:39] <Guest63441> i make H-bridge driver on AVR pase
[03:09:28] <Guest63441> can anyone tell me the voltage rating of Cboot if i using 400V to go through mosfets H-bridge?
[03:10:11] <Guest63441> i read in one instruction that Cboot can not be biger than Vgs of mosfet..
[03:10:53] <Guest63441> in another i read that Vcboot must be full voltage (400V)
[03:11:42] <Guest63441> i am using high side mosfet driver and don't know how big value of Cboot i should take
[03:12:10] <Guest63441> anyone knows Cboost rules?
[03:21:54] <ROMA> hello can anyone give electronics chanel?
[03:23:11] <theBear> err, ##electronics
[03:25:00] <OndraSter> :D
[03:25:03] <ROMA> :D
[03:25:13] <ROMA> they not let me say the word
[03:25:19] <ROMA> i must register first?
[03:25:28] <OndraSter> yes
[03:25:31] <OndraSter> at nickserv
[03:25:47] <ROMA> anyone have info about bootstrap capacitors in high side drivers?
[15:05:32] <Trieste> I think
e="03:26:10" class="time">[03:26:10] <ROMA> i can't figure out voltage rating of capacitor
[03:28:03] <ROMA> ns REGISTER password email
[03:28:13] <ROMA> whats wrong with this command line?
[03:28:31] <ROMA> i write password instead of password an email instead of email
[03:28:37] <theBear> i dunno, i registered almost 10 years ago
[03:29:27] <theBear> is the email valid ? did you get an error ?
[03:29:43] <OndraSter> shouldn't it be /msg nickserv ...?
[03:29:50] <theBear> i assumed he abbreviated that
[03:30:00] <ROMA> i will try
[03:30:04] <theBear> but yeah, it should
[03:30:21] <OndraSter> well if something does not work then do not assume anything :)
[03:30:27] <theBear> good point :)
[03:30:38] <theBear> it makes an ass out of you and me, and don't make an ass out of me ;)
[03:33:17] <Siers> thank you OndraSter
[03:33:34] <Siers> msg nickserver was right
[03:33:43] <theBear> heh, i made an ass out of me
[03:33:48] <OndraSter> :)
[03:34:11] <theBear> erg, got a couple drinks in me, suns still up, not too cold, i should probly give myself a haircut
[03:34:28] <OndraSter> sun's still up? You must be an aussie then
[03:34:48] <theBear> or taipei according to windows installs of the past :) but you guessed it
[03:34:59] <theBear> i suppose people in taipei don't drink then cut their own hair <grin>
[03:35:38] <theBear> last couple years i been going the mr t cut, still long in the middle, but same haircut... grown out the back and all, like a mohican with ear-moustaches :)
[03:46:03] <Trieste> Hi, I have two LEDs set up at PD6 and PD7, and I'd like to display a number from 0 to 3 on them, to select a program - I came up with http://pastie.org/private/exwmflrdsnr8xl7gcmwcg, but it seems to work at random - what have I done wrong?
[03:49:14] <Trieste> (at random = sometimes it turns on the LEDs as expected, like 00 01 10 11, but sometimes 00 01 11 00 01 11 11 01 or so)
[04:05:23] <vectory> Trieste: what chip?
[04:05:39] <vectory> look in the datasheet, if reset is on one of those pins, perhaps?
[04:05:40] <Trieste> vectory: ATmega8
[04:05:53] <vectory> oh, then reset is on port C
[04:06:02] <Trieste> yes
[04:06:45] <theBear> damned memory, what does a % do ?
[04:06:54] <Trieste> also, I've just noticed a weird thing, even after reset it kept turning on the wrong LED - now it works alright
[04:07:08] <Trieste> theBear: modulo - so it keeps from 0 to 3
[04:07:28] <theBear> ooh binary mod, interesting
[04:07:44] <Trieste> oh wait, modulo is a binary operator too?
[04:07:51] <theBear> it is in this program
[04:08:02] <theBear> oh, maybe it isn't
[04:08:06] <theBear> i think it is
[04:08:10] <Trieste> It might be the source of the problem though
[04:08:14] <Trieste> what does binary modulo do?
[04:08:51] <theBear> i only just assumed it exists, but i was thinking basically the same, just by bits, take away so many, you got the mod left over, but that sounds less likely now i said it out loud
[04:11:20] <theBear> while we at it, in 'real' decimal kinda maths, mod doesn't keep 0 to 3, it keeps the remainder of a division
[04:11:28] <vectory> binary modulo??
[04:11:52] <theBear> so 16 mod 4 = 0, 17 mod 4 = 1, 8 mod 4 = 0, 9 mod 4 = 1
[04:11:56] <vectory> that line isnt the problem, anywho
[04:13:01] <vectory> now it works? great but curious :)
[04:13:55] <Trieste> vectory: it still doesn't :\
[04:14:06] <Trieste> I can write out the patterns after reset, if it could help
[04:15:09] <vectory> try to put a delay after the if
[04:15:17] <vectory> to debounce
[04:15:34] <Trieste> that's what the while there is for
[04:15:41] <vectory> the point of bounce is, that it switches between 0 and 1 rapidly, so it might leave the while loop too soon
[04:15:54] <theBear> but if then while is VERY few cycles, not nearly enough for a debouce
[04:15:55] <Trieste> hm
[04:16:24] <vectory> i think, although i did the same in code recently and it worked :) think the buttons might be on a capacitor tho, that would explain it
[04:16:32] <vectory> xmega explained a1 board :)
[04:16:35] <theBear> yeah, i was just gonna say i like caps on buttons :)
[04:18:01] <Trieste> bam, the delay did help
[04:18:09] <Trieste> I blame the chinese buttons
[04:18:10] <theBear> *BAM* !
[04:18:29] <theBear> nah man, all buttons need a bit of time, quite a bit in micro land
[04:18:30] <vectory> e bounce to a daegree
[04:19:31] <vectory> i said, all buttonce bounce to a degree
[04:19:38] <theBear> yeah, sure you did <grin>
[04:19:39] <vectory> damn slow pc
[04:20:11] <theBear> orright then, lets do this haircut thang !
[04:20:14] <theBear> bbl
[04:20:59] <Trieste> thanks guys :)
[04:21:43] <Valen> I have a function I want to change a few different PWM's with
[04:22:14] <Valen> I presume the right way of doing this is to make pointers to the various PWM registers and pass that to the function?
[04:22:40] <Valen> IE call function, do stuff, output is a PWM value, write that into the PWM register
[04:37:27] <Trieste> What's the difference between eeprom_write_byte and eeprom_update_byte?
[04:38:32] <Trieste> ah, nevermind, missed a link while googling it :)
[06:08:56] <wakko1> hi
[07:43:59] <OndraSter> anything interesting in an old washing machine to keep before throwing it out?
[07:44:18] <OndraSter> I took out all the wires, electronic water valve and pump
[08:36:54] <Casper> lid switch maybe
[08:37:31] <vectory> the motor, obviously!? i saw that used in an ebike build on HaD
[08:47:45] <Tom_itx> OndraSter, how funny
[08:48:05] <Tom_itx> i just had that happen here
[08:48:32] <Tom_itx> is the motor a F&P motor?
[08:52:19] <theBear> pressure switch can be handy, kinda disc shaped thing under the fill level knob
[08:53:25] <theBear> usually a handful of microswitches between the lid and the wobble-sense and sometimes in the control panel
[08:53:41] <theBear> oh, and solenoids where the water inlets are
[08:54:11] <Tom_itx> mine was a front loader and i will never buy another
[08:54:22] <theBear> smartdrive ?
[08:54:29] <Tom_itx> yeah
[08:54:49] <theBear> interesting, usually the motor in them is rock solid, but the control panel/drive dies
[08:54:55] <Tom_itx> i replaced the drum bearings 3 or 4 times and gave up
[08:55:09] <theBear> ahh... i never dealt with repairs much, just salvage
[08:55:14] <Tom_itx> motor and control are all fine
[08:55:20] <theBear> and never front loaders
[08:56:58] <theBear> lotta copper in them too, if you see one on the side of the street a spanner and a hammer you can make 20 or 30 bucks in 5 minutes
[08:57:50] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/BLDC/control2.jpg
[08:57:52] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/BLDC/3ph_motor.jpg
[09:02:00] <Tom_itx> i kept all the wiring etc so i could plug in the motor and debug the signal to the controller
[09:02:02] <theBear> huh ? that's not a smartdrive
[09:02:14] <Tom_itx> it's some type of serial input
[09:02:26] <Tom_itx> you mean one of those pancake motors?
[09:02:34] <Tom_itx> guess i dunno what you mean then
[09:03:18] <theBear> http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/2/Fisher_%26_Paykel_re-wiring.jpg yeah, like this... if it's got f+p smartdrive written anywhere on it the motor should be like this
[09:03:41] <Tom_itx> my new one is
[09:03:57] <Tom_itx> rif made a windmill with one
[09:04:23] <theBear> mmm, they're good for that kinda thing, very rewirable, not too heavy (for that amount of copper/core) etc etc
[09:39:45] <GNUtoo-x60> hi,
[09:41:18] <GNUtoo-x60> I've made a program for some avr arduinos to interface between flashrom and an SPI chip,
[09:41:46] <GNUtoo-x60> the program is written with avr-libc of course
[09:42:13] <GNUtoo-x60> so my problem is that on the uno there is a 8u2 uc between the USB port and the atmega uc
[09:43:30] <GNUtoo-x60> if I use an arduino duemilanove with an FTDI instead of that uc my flashrom(a program for flashing that executes on a GNU/Linux computer)<->SPI chip interface works,
[09:43:51] <GNUtoo-x60> or if I use the uno with an external USB<->Serial TTL adapter it also works
[09:44:04] <GNUtoo-x60> but if I use the 8u2 it get out of sync
[09:44:18] <Tom_itx> both working solutions are hardware solutions
[09:44:30] <Tom_itx> the 8u2 is software serial
[09:44:40] <GNUtoo-x60> somehow strace -x flashrom shows that flashrom is waiting for some data that never comes
[09:44:43] <GNUtoo-x60> yes exactly
[09:44:56] <GNUtoo-x60> so I wonder how to fix the 8u2
[09:45:01] <GNUtoo-x60> I've tried that:
[09:45:12] <Tom_itx> you should visit with abcminiuser about it
[09:45:16] <Tom_itx> they used is lufa on that
[09:45:25] <Tom_itx> his*
[09:45:45] <specing> I bet its the baud error
[09:46:00] <RikusW> the 8u2 got a real uart on it
[09:46:02] <GNUtoo-x60> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/95039876/
[09:46:06] <GNUtoo-x60> that is with LUFA
[09:46:29] <GNUtoo-x60> with plain LUFA I get some not-related issues and the same issue
[09:46:58] <GNUtoo-x60> not-related issues is that avrdude cannot program the atmega if I don't reset it manually
[09:47:00] <Tom_itx> yeah it's not stock lufa i doubt or it wouldn't fit in the 8u2
[09:47:21] <GNUtoo-x60> I used stock LUFA, and it fited
[09:47:34] <GNUtoo-x60> however it didn't solve my problem
[09:47:40] <GNUtoo-x60> so I removed the ring buffer
[09:47:46] <GNUtoo-x60> and I got even worse issues
[09:48:01] <Tom_itx> you should run it by him when he's here
[09:48:03] <GNUtoo-x60> let me re-read the code
[09:48:04] <GNUtoo-x60> ok
[09:48:24] <GNUtoo-x60> specing, what's the bauds error?
[09:48:29] <Tom_itx> otherwise you're wearing your finger tips down for nothing
[09:48:43] <GNUtoo-x60> if I lower the bauds It get more reliable
[09:48:53] <Tom_itx> probably so
[09:49:22] <Tom_itx> the 8u2 is probably running at 8 or 16mhz
[09:49:51] <GNUtoo-x60> ok
[09:50:16] <Tom_itx> so you can look at a baud rate chart and see the error percent
[09:50:35] <Tom_itx> http://www.wormfood.net/avrbaudcalc.php
[09:50:52] <WormFood> :D
[09:51:07] <Tom_itx> u da man
[09:54:04] <GNUtoo-x60> hmmm,
[09:54:11] <GNUtoo-x60> I run at 16Mhz and 200000
[09:55:15] <GNUtoo-x60> so it should be OK
[10:24:57] <dpy> hmmm
[10:46:27] <GNUtoo-x60> WormFood, hi
[10:46:44] <GNUtoo-x60> WormFood, shouldn't the last line be 2000000 instead of 200000
[10:47:08] <GNUtoo-x60> in http://www.wormfood.net/avrbaudcalc.php
[10:59:21] <OndraSter> <Tom_itx> is the motor a F&P motor?
[10:59:21] <OndraSter> F&P?
[10:59:21] <OndraSter> <theBear> pressure switch can be handy, kinda disc shaped thing under the fill level knob
[10:59:21] <OndraSter> picked both :)
[10:59:22] <OndraSter> <theBear> oh, and solenoids where the water inlets are
[10:59:22] <OndraSter> grabbed those too
[10:59:23] <OndraSter> also the pump motor + run cap
[10:59:28] <OndraSter> (not the main motor)
[11:05:55] <Tom_itx> OndraSter, one of these: http://www.thebackshed.com/Windmill/Contents.asp#3
[11:25:55] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, unless the main engine was..
[11:25:55] <OndraSter> no idea
[11:26:37] <OndraSter> in theory, when they drive you home new washing machine, they take the old one
[11:26:37] <OndraSter> and the old one should be complete
[11:26:37] <OndraSter> :)
[11:26:37] <OndraSter> (it is not)
[11:28:30] <Tom_itx> same here :)
[11:28:54] <Tom_itx> "it wasn't working" was why i got another
[11:29:36] <theBear> 'they' ? heh, you guys must spend a lot more on washing machines than i ever did :)
[11:30:15] <theBear> there was that one place, kinda like a gutted out shop full of whitegoods, but the guy was cool, we lived in 3 or 4 places within a suburb of there over the years, he was happy to deliver
[11:50:01] <OndraSter_> theBear, last washing machine was older than me :)
[11:50:03] <OndraSter_> 26 years old!
[11:50:11] <OndraSter_> 'till it went up in smoke
[11:50:34] <theBear> heh yeah, next one won't last that long... kinda sad, whitegoods used to last a LONG time
[11:50:49] <theBear> down at grans and the beachhouse there's still fridges and washers older than me working fine
[11:51:50] <theBear> the simpson washer died last year, but if i ever get around to finding or turning a new pulley it'll work like new again... belt got loose over the years and eventually slipped half-off and burned thru the plastic pulley thinger
[11:53:11] <OndraSter_> yeah
[11:53:20] <OndraSter_> we got some with 5 years warranty
[11:53:36] <OndraSter_> hopefuly it will not break on the 1st day after 5 years pass
[11:54:11] <theBear> hopefully the washer in the next room from me is old enough to be like that... last couple uses it started making loud squeeking noises, at the moment the drum is kinda hard to move, but pretty sure i didn't run it till the motor died or anything
[11:54:24] <theBear> with luck it'll just have a coin or something jammed under the inner drum
[11:55:31] <theBear> and it was working better than it had since i got it, couple months before i gave it a good fiddle and service and internal clean, made the fill sensor reliable and got the suspension working nicely again, so it didn't overflow or wobble and fill/stop/fill/wobble etc, quiet as can be, amazing what a difference lubing the 'shocks' can do
[14:37:16] <thethruthisoutth> h
[14:37:16] <thethruthisoutth> h
[14:37:23] <Trieste> Alright, so I read a 10-bit value from the ADC, and write it to EEPROM. I read it using an ISP, opened it on my computer, and it seems that when I with my multimeter measured like 4.7 V, 0b0100101111 (287) was written into EEPROM, which apparently means the range is 0-15.8V or so
[14:37:23] <Trieste> Alright, so I read a 10-bit value from the ADC, and write it to EEPROM. I read it using an ISP, opened it on my computer, and it seems that when I with my multimeter measured like 4.7 V, 0b0100101111 (287) was written into EEPROM, which apparently means the range is 0-15.8V or so
[14:37:38] <Trieste> I don't know what to think
[14:37:39] <Trieste> I don't know what to think
[14:38:58] <thethruthisoutth> adc reads max at vref.
[14:38:58] <thethruthisoutth> adc reads max at vref.
[14:39:19] <thethruthisoutth> if you have a voltage divider, you can measure more
[14:39:19] <thethruthisoutth> if you have a voltage divider, you can measure more
[14:41:43] <Trieste> thethruthisoutth: oh, right, sorry, and I have REFS0 set (at an ATmega8), so the voltage reference is AVcc (with external cap at AREF)
[14:41:43] <Trieste> thethruthisoutth: oh, right, sorry, and I have REFS0 set (at an ATmega8), so the voltage reference is AVcc (with external cap at AREF)
[14:42:21] <thethruthisoutth> and connected to 5v i assume
[14:42:21] <thethruthisoutth> and connected to 5v i assume
[14:42:28] <Trieste> yes
[14:42:28] <Trieste> yes
[14:42:33] <Trieste> that's why this baffles me a bit
[14:42:33] <Trieste> that's why this baffles me a bit
[14:42:37] <thethruthisoutth> then full reading should be 5v
[14:42:37] <thethruthisoutth> then full reading should be 5v
[14:43:40] <thethruthisoutth> also note you have to erase eeprom before write, not just (re)set bits
[14:43:40] <thethruthisoutth> also note you have to erase eeprom before write, not just (re)set bits
[14:43:54] <Trieste> what do you mean?
[14:43:54] <Trieste> what do you mean?
[14:47:01] <thethruthisoutth> i'm going to write eeprom right now too
[14:47:01] <thethruthisoutth> i'm going to write eeprom right now too
[14:58:42] <Trieste> problem solved, and pardon my language, but what the fuck
[14:58:42] <Trieste> problem solved, and pardon my language, but what the fuck
[14:59:04] <Trieste> Okteta, a KDE hex editor, apparently shows the first byte of a word little-endian, but the second big-endian
[14:59:04] <Trieste> Okteta, a KDE hex editor, apparently shows the first byte of a word little-endian, but the second big-endian
[14:59:30] <thethruthisoutth> ;/
[14:59:30] <thethruthisoutth> ;/
[15:00:00] <thethruthisoutth> you had bad endianness ?
[15:00:00] <thethruthisoutth> you had bad endianness ?
[15:00:07] <Trieste> oh wait no, I'm the idiot, that's just how words are apparently stored
[15:00:07] <Trieste> oh wait no, I'm the idiot, that's just how words are apparently stored
[15:01:27] <Trieste> heh, I kind of wish I hadn't sent that message now
[15:01:27] <Trieste> heh, I kind of wish I hadn't sent that message now
[15:02:10] <thethruthisoutth> 0b0100101111 > this is 303 btw
[15:02:10] <thethruthisoutth> 0b0100101111 > this is 303 btw
[15:02:37] <theBear> hehe don't worry, i say all kinds of silly things before i notice they're silly :)
[15:02:37] <theBear> hehe don't worry, i say all kinds of silly things before i notice they're silly :)
[15:02:45] <thethruthisoutth> hey theBear
[15:02:45] <thethruthisoutth> hey theBear
[15:02:50] <theBear> hello
[15:02:50] <theBear> hello
[15:03:00] <thethruthisoutth> hello
[15:13:23] <vectory_> err, sorry
[15:13:45] <vectory_> wrong paste, this i ment: " Design requires at least 117 macrocells, exceeds device limit (64)" :(
[15:13:45] <vectory_> wrong paste, this i ment: " Design requires at least 117 macrocells, exceeds device limit (64)" :(
[15:13:56] <theBear> what you already said covered what i meant by that
[15:13:56] <theBear> what you already said covered what i meant by that
[15:14:02] <theBear> the low big then high bit
[15:14:02] <theBear> the low big then high bit
[15:14:05] <theBear> err, byte
[15:14:05] <theBear> err, byte
[15:17:10] <Trieste> vectory_: what are macrocells?
[15:17:11] <Trieste> vectory_: what are macrocells?
[15:17:53] <Trieste> my wild guess is that it's related to FPGAs
[15:17:53] <Trieste> my wild guess is that it's related to FPGAs
[15:18:07] <theBear> vectory_, oh, responded wrong, sorry, when i asked that example thing, it was covered by Trieste showing how the bytes/bits are arranged
[15:18:07] <theBear> vectory_, oh, responded wrong, sorry, when i asked that example thing, it was covered by Trieste showing how the bytes/bits are arranged
[15:18:18] <theBear> Trieste, sounds like it
[15:18:18] <theBear> Trieste, sounds like it
[15:18:27] <theBear> vectory_, what you trying to program there ?
[15:18:27] <theBear> vectory_, what you trying to program there ?
[15:29:41] <vectory_> theBear: a cpld, dont know the difference to a fpga -_-
[15:29:41] <vectory_> theBear: a cpld, dont know the difference to a fpga -_-
[15:29:58] <vectory_> cx2c64
[15:29:58] <vectory_> cx2c64
[15:30:19] <theBear> close enough for this conversation.. that means yer design is almost double too big to fit in that device
[15:30:19] <theBear> close enough for this conversation.. that means yer design is almost double too big to fit in that device
[15:30:51] <theBear> it doesn't have enough gates/whatever makes its insides work to achieve what you want to tell it to do
[15:30:51] <theBear> it doesn't have enough gates/whatever makes its insides work to achieve what you want to tell it to do
[15:31:07] <vectory_> or the design is shitty :)
[15:31:07] <vectory_> or the design is shitty :)
[15:31:09] <R0b0t1`> theBear, since you have ops in ##electronics, is the registered-only mode necessary? How much spam does it really stop?
[15:31:09] <R0b0t1`> theBear, since you have ops in ##electronics, is the registered-only mode necessary? How much spam does it really stop?
[15:31:16] <R0b0t1`> I ask because nickserv is down
[15:31:16] <R0b0t1`> I ask because nickserv is down
[15:31:22] <R0b0t1`> people have ants in their pants
[15:31:22] <R0b0t1`> people have ants in their pants
[15:33:31] <theBear> i aint been there for a while like you probably noticed, got tired of too much bullshit and trollage, but everytime we've removed it over the last 3 years or so there have been major flood/stupidness problems within .5-3 days or so... these days i think it's kinda unspokenly agreed that it'd be up to gigs to remove it.. hmm, maybe i should rejoin and take it off shortterm, then again, we are in the midst of an attack apparently... hmmmmm
[15:33:31] <theBear> i aint been there for a while like you probably noticed, got tired of too much bullshit and trollage, but everytime we've removed it over the last 3 years or so there have been major flood/stupidness problems within .5-3 days or so... these days i think it's kinda unspokenly agreed that it'd be up to gigs to remove it.. hmm, maybe i should rejoin and take it off shortterm, then again, we are in the midst of an attack apparently... hmmmmm
[15:33:36] * R0b0t1` throws a shoe at theBear
[15:33:36] * R0b0t1` throws a shoe at theBear
[15:33:59] <vectory_> an attack, lulz
[15:34:08] <thethruthisoutth> vectory_<= one diff would be cpld have onboard program memory...
[15:34:23] <R0b0t1`> I somewhat recently badgered a staffer into a corner about what the problem was
[15:34:27] <vectory_> *dont ;)
[15:34:27] <R0b0t1`> and forced him to admit he didn't know
[15:34:29] <thethruthisoutth> but altera's new max v cpld makes the difference less
[15:34:39] <stanreg> is it necessary to reconfigure the ports as a chip awakens from sleep?
[15:34:52] <thethruthisoutth> it is the luts based architecture with onboard flash
[15:34:55] <R0b0t1`> theBear, okay, if it's a problem. I wondered because there's other large channels that don't have the mode nor do they have flood issues.
[15:34:59] <R0b0t1`> Someone must hate Gigs.
[15:35:38] <vectory_> other channels arent as popular as ##electronics, maybe
[15:35:39] <tzanger> CPLDs have a much simpler structure than FPGAs
[15:35:57] <theBear> heh, i dunno, gigs is a nice guy, but yeah, the last several years, since a few months before the last major ircd upgrade (that i noticed anyway) it's been a common target for that crap
[15:36:03] <thethruthisoutth> tzanger<= yeah th old ones that use macroblocks
[15:36:57] <R0b0t1`> Math has 200 more people and no +r
[15:37:34] <R0b0t1`> ##programming is under by 100 but a common topic and no +R
[15:37:37] <R0b0t1`> +r
[15:37:57] <vectory_> oh, well i dunno
[15:38:35] <R0b0t1`> theBear: Fine, this is the last time I will bug you, but there needs to be at least 1-2 active ops on that channel, even though it does a pretty good job of not needing help
[15:38:42] * R0b0t1` goes back to being on topic
[15:40:13] <thethruthisoutth> "beat the limit"
[15:40:44] <theBear> yeah, i feel a little guilty about it, i noticed and was often told/reminded that fact over the last year or so, but only gigs can add/approve them, he's not around much these days, there aren't a lot of contenders both reliable and sane and trusted and there enough, but it was getting me down BIGTIME... i got my own problems these days
[15:42:15] <R0b0t1`> Everybody got problems, like mine right now is catching up on shitty hackaday projects.
[15:42:27] <theBear> even people that behave reasonably in other channels seem to play up in there... there has been some discussion that perhaps we should be a bit more totalitarian, or quicker to quiet or ban people rather than trying to talk them around (i'm the worst at that, but being responsible and reasonable, i feel the worst about controling peoples
[15:43:16] <theBear> heh, mine is more about walking, or seeing any future where i don't spend most of my time drugged up and lying on my bed so i don't cry
[15:43:20] <vectory_> i only remember electronics for ignoring my newbie questions -_-
[15:43:40] <vectory_> theBear: that sounds really depressing
[15:43:58] <R0b0t1`> ...
[15:43:59] <R0b0t1`> well then
[15:43:59] <vectory_> get some distraction
[15:44:12] <theBear> vectory_, totally, but today the silly defective chemicals in my brain aren't reminding me so much like they did yesterday, so lets not dwell on it :)
[15:44:33] <R0b0t1`> There's been no cases of spamming, and only a few people I've wanted to punch in the nuts, but all they do is make the channel awkwardly quiet for a bit and then get the idea and leave.
[15:44:38] <R0b0t1`> So I guess it does not matter
[15:45:19] <theBear> how has it been generally ? same bullshit or bit more sensible, bit less trolling/misinformation ?
[15:46:04] <R0b0t1`> It's been more sensible, Gush was a lot of the trolling
[15:46:05] <R0b0t1`> It's been more sensible, Gush was a lot of the trolling
[15:46:08] <R0b0t1`> I think people followed his lead
[15:46:08] <R0b0t1`> I think people followed his lead
[15:46:37] <theBear> really ? i noticed more recently he's been having a bad time and not real friendly to many, but in the past i hadn't much noticed
[15:46:37] <theBear> really ? i noticed more recently he's been having a bad time and not real friendly to many, but in the past i hadn't much noticed
[15:46:52] <R0b0t1`> He's not in ##electronics anymore
[15:46:52] <R0b0t1`> He's not in ##electronics anymore
[15:47:13] <theBear> ahh what the hell..
[15:47:13] <theBear> ahh what the hell..
[15:47:16] <R0b0t1`> Or, nevermind, guess I misunderstood you
[15:47:16] <R0b0t1`> Or, nevermind, guess I misunderstood you
[15:47:26] <R0b0t1`> I kind of think it was him because it stopped
[15:47:26] <R0b0t1`> I kind of think it was him because it stopped
[15:47:35] <R0b0t1`> Newby questions either get answers or pasted google results
[15:47:35] <R0b0t1`> Newby questions either get answers or pasted google results
[15:47:47] <R0b0t1`> (if they get answered, I would hope the people end up googling it themselves if not)
[15:47:47] <R0b0t1`> (if they get answered, I would hope the people end up googling it themselves if not)
[15:48:01] <R0b0t1`> some of the questions get answered with speculation, but it is at least reasonably informed
[15:48:01] <R0b0t1`> some of the questions get answered with speculation, but it is at least reasonably informed
[15:48:20] <theBear> sidenote: this was my first break from the channel, literally the first time i /part'd from it in probably 5 years, it really got me down
[15:48:20] <theBear> sidenote: this was my first break from the channel, literally the first time i /part'd from it in probably 5 years, it really got me down
[15:48:29] <R0b0t1`> ._.
[15:48:29] <R0b0t1`> ._.
[15:48:43] <R0b0t1`> That's a long time, for the internet
[15:48:43] <R0b0t1`> That's a long time, for the internet
[15:48:44] <theBear> speculation is cool, so long as it's spoken as such, and not written like fact, specially when things are busy
[15:48:44] <theBear> speculation is cool, so long as it's spoken as such, and not written like fact, specially when things are busy
[15:49:24] <theBear> heh yeah, i had maybe 3 irc-addict-periods in my life, but this has by far been the longest, few new channels here and there, but pretty steady in many since '04/'05
[15:49:24] <theBear> heh yeah, i had maybe 3 irc-addict-periods in my life, but this has by far been the longest, few new channels here and there, but pretty steady in many since '04/'05
[15:51:52] <R0b0t1`> In other news, recent hackaday articles are above mediocre.
[15:52:01] <theBear> when i mention misinformation as one of the things that got me down, that's what i meant, someone innocent and usually not an expert asking something, and being confidently told bullshit
[15:52:11] <theBear> mmm, you see abcmini's one yesterday ?
[15:53:06] <R0b0t1`> No, I did not.
[15:53:45] <R0b0t1`> And there is an adequate amount of weasel words these days, or the people doing so learned better or to keep quiet.
[15:54:06] <R0b0t1`> theBear, link or name of project?
[15:54:34] <theBear> you probly heard it mentioned here a while back, about the generic usb/textmode printer emulation programmer, but you know, it's cool for someone we know to get hackadayed, regardless of how some of us feel about the site and those who comment there in general :)
[15:54:40] <theBear> lemme see if i got scrollback
[15:56:42] <theBear> http://hackaday.com/2013/05/10/microcontroller-enumerates-as-usb-printer-can-be-programmed-by-printing/ *BAM*
[15:58:13] <tzanger> 90% of what I write here is speculation. I am, however quite experienced in this field
[15:58:30] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser did you submit that?
[15:58:36] <Tom_itx> you've finally made it!!
[15:58:58] <theBear> :) i don't think speculation is quite the right word for most of what i do here, but i certainly haven't programmed any of my own avrs for much longer than anyone else in here :)
[16:02:18] <R0b0t1`> theBear: Oooh, I've got that in a tab right now
[16:02:45] <R0b0t1`> theBear: Was actually going to say something like "Some of the projects on hackaday are uninspired, but someone's programming devices as printers now..."
[16:02:58] * R0b0t1` gives abcminiuser an internet.
[16:03:42] <theBear> heh, i thought he'd 'made it' when he wrote something like atmel had already written, but they decided his was so awesome they needed him
[16:04:02] <theBear> R0b0t1`, hehe yeah, it's tricky when we know nicks and not realnames :)
[16:04:44] <R0b0t1`> Quadruped with tracks, hmmm. Just a little gimmicky.
[16:04:49] <R0b0t1`> Wait he got a job offer out of that article?
[16:05:07] <theBear> no, but i thought he had been working for atmel for quite a while now ?
[16:05:29] <theBear> oh, i meant lufa vs the old atmel usb stack
[16:07:52] <R0b0t1`> Oh okay
[16:08:18] <R0b0t1`> OBDII hacking and MITM hardware, was a good linkfest, time to read them.
[16:09:31] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Just compiled and successfully used u2scli on the Dockstar :P
[16:10:42] <Trieste> hahaha
[16:11:40] <Trieste> "if (adcResult < minValue){ ledA_On(); } else { ledA_Off(); }; if (adcResult > maxValue){ ledB_On(); } else {ledB_Off();}"
[16:11:41] <megal0maniac> Except I have no idea how to use it. Where are your manpages, sir??
[16:11:51] <Trieste> *both LEDs go on at once*
[16:15:22] <megal0maniac> RikusW: What arguments does it accept?
[16:15:58] <theBear> whenever i get drunk and call it stupid looking it tends to accept and rise to the argument
[16:21:33] <R0b0t1`> Trieste: Ooh man I've done that exact same thing :)
[16:23:01] * jadew thinks the adc input is all over the range
[16:23:11] <jadew> and the leds only appear as being on at all times
[16:23:45] <jadew> that, if your code is correct
[18:52:26] * Trieste wonders what's with all the netsplits today
[18:58:33] <Horologium_> Trieste, DOS attack.
[18:58:44] <Horologium_> -kloeri- [Global Notice] Hi all, apologies for the continued netsplits. We're having some issues stemming from a DDoS attack but we're working with our sponsors on attack mitigation. Thank you for using freenode.
[19:01:00] <Trieste> Horologium_: oh, really? that blows.
[20:30:45] <tzanger> Trieste: Depends on what the numbers are and what the compiler can do
[20:30:58] <tzanger> Two constants? Generally never a problem
[20:31:20] <tzanger> Integer promotion is a strange beast
[20:35:54] <rue_shop3> they come from an old freenode op who is in #freenode right now
[20:36:20] <rue_shop3> they know it and they dont care
[20:36:57] <tzanger> Integer promotion rules don't come from freenode ops. :-)
[20:36:57] <LoRez> rue_shop3: eh?
[20:37:51] <Tom_itx> ddos
[20:39:02] <rue_shop3> damn, I cant make rectangular profile washers but they dont insert properly
[20:45:56] <rue_shop3> the ddos attacks would be comming from his bot net on rooted comcast routers
[20:46:15] <rue_shop3> the ones that comcast dosn't care about being used for hacking
[20:46:32] <Horologium_> the comcast conspiracy!
[20:46:43] <Horologium_> probably run by the CIA.
[20:46:49] <rue_shop3> no, comcast routers had an exploit
[20:47:06] <rue_shop3> one that you could use a script to detect for and utilize
[20:47:07] <Horologium_> my money is still on the CIA.
[20:47:21] <rue_shop3> rucas used it last time too
[20:47:26] <rue_shop3> oops, did I say his name?
[20:47:29] <Tom_itx> is it him this time?
[20:47:38] <Horologium_> Comcast Idiocy Agency.
[20:49:18] <Casper> or rizon ceo that is at it again
[20:53:03] <rue_shop3> sweeet, my test pipe fitting worked perfectly
[20:53:47] <rue_shop3> LoRez, go ahead, look up the ddos ip's bets their almost all comcast ipv6
[20:54:33] <theBear> yeah, but afaict half the people in the us are comcast customers
[20:54:45] <Horologium_> so?
[20:54:55] * Horologium_ isn't in that half so no worries.
[20:55:26] <theBear> just saying it doesn't prove much that ddos is coming from an isp that big
[20:57:02] <rue_shop3> but rucas in #freenode is the one controlling them
[20:57:19] <rue_shop3> I'm just answering, * Trieste wonders what's with all the netsplits today
[20:58:29] <rue_shop3> dont tell rucas it was me that told you, he'll hack me again
[20:58:42] <Horologium_> hack him first.
[20:59:07] <rue_shop3> I just want to be left alone
[20:59:55] <rue_shop3> I got a pneumatic solinoid from ebay today
[21:00:01] <rue_shop3> saw an interesting trick
[21:00:27] <rue_shop3> they took excess port holes in the plastic block and jammed small bb's in them to plug them up
[21:00:44] <rue_shop3> this isn't #robotics
[21:00:51] <Tom_itx> sure isn't
[21:01:19] <Horologium_> so, finish what you were saying..and what plastic block anyhow?
[21:01:38] <rue_shop3> pneumatic duct block
[21:01:57] <rue_shop3> extra holes were plugged with small metal beads
[21:02:02] <rue_shop3> neat trick
[21:02:50] <Horologium_> yup...no clue what that is.
[22:25:01] <LoRez> rue_shop3: rucas was _never_ a freenode op.
[22:39:24] <Badaboom> rue_more: are u here?