#avr | Logs for 2013-04-22

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[00:48:31] <vectory> am i doin it right? http://ompldr.org/vaTZpMQ/zenertst+.png
[00:49:00] <vectory> why is the current thru the zener and the resis not equal>
[00:50:42] <Casper> the 4 resistors are in parallel, the voltage across them is the same, the current is different
[00:50:53] <Casper> the combined current of the 4 resistors will match the zener current
[00:51:36] <vectory> yeah, im doing sth fundamentally wrong
[00:51:37] <dioxide> whats that arrow at the bottom right of the circuit
[00:51:52] <dioxide> did you toss in a ground there
[00:52:03] <vectory> yeah
[00:52:09] <vectory> reference
[00:54:12] <Casper> simulator require a ground
[00:54:45] <dioxide> yea, just seems an odd place for it
[00:55:19] <dioxide> between the zener and load
[00:58:26] <Casper> ♫ Tire miora imero torem cora ♫
[00:58:26] <Casper> ♫ Antiri conta core ♫
[00:58:27] <Casper> ♫ Corento vora corento icoren core ♫
[00:58:38] <Casper> ahhhh Era.... so goooood
[00:59:27] <megal0maniac_afk> toooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeearlyyyyyyy
[01:07:24] <vectory> but still, the incoming current at the branch (gnd) should be the sum of the outgoing current of the branch (vice versa with respect to gnd)
[01:07:27] <vectory> i dont get it
[01:07:58] <vectory> onbviously substituting the four with a single resistor yields the expected result
[01:08:57] <Casper> actually, the ground symbol will carry zero current
[01:09:10] <Casper> and sometime simulator do weird things
[01:09:29] <Casper> it can take sometime the closest element when you put a probe on a wire and not on a component
[01:10:09] <vectory> its the same if gnd is at V-
[01:22:25] <vectory> see http://ompldr.org/vaTZpMw/zenertst.png, both blue traces should be equal, but arent :S
[01:22:58] <vectory> most puzzling, in the second pic, the voltage curve for the scener isnt cut of at 15V, but i only changed ground reference
[01:23:08] <vectory> s/scener/zener/
[01:23:09] <vectory> Oo
[01:24:32] <vectory> oh wait, i see why
[01:24:53] <vectory> i knew already, just got confused. i m due to present this in 3 hours :S
[01:25:04] <vectory> so, no homeworks i guess?
[07:17:53] <megal0maniac_afk> Tom_itx: zlog is making your cloak pointless :/
[07:36:51] <tzanger> actually Tom_itx you probably know
[07:37:27] <tzanger> Tom_itx: what is the difference between TPI and PDI? they're both reduced pin count, but I can't find an obvious reason why they created two reduced pin count versions
[07:40:07] <Tom_itx> TPI is for the attiny 4 5 9 10 and a couple other tinys
[07:40:12] <Tom_itx> PDI is for the xmega line
[07:54:15] <stanreg> AtmelStudio: Is there not a one-click compile/flash button? There used to be one in AvrStudio, IIRC... Cant
[07:54:21] <stanreg> AtmelStudio: Is there not a one-click compile/flash button? There used to be one in AvrStudio, IIRC... Can't seem to find it now.
[07:56:35] <tzanger> PDI seems to also work/be available for AT90
[07:56:58] <tzanger> the electrical spec on both TPI/PDI seems pretty much identical, have not looked at logical spec
[07:57:09] <tzanger> DW abuses the shit out of reset, which is actually pretty cool
[08:21:49] <megal0maniac> tzanger: If I didn't know that, then my comment wouldn't have made sense :)
[08:22:36] <megal0maniac> TPI is limited to programming only. PDI supports debugging. Essentially a stripped down version of PDI, logical spec is similar
[08:28:15] <tzanger> interesting
[08:28:32] <tzanger> so tinys use TPI for programming and DW for debugging then
[08:31:53] <megal0maniac> I don' think that the t4/5/9/10 range have on chip debugging
[08:32:16] <megal0maniac> (No mention in the datasheet summary)
[08:34:09] <Malinuss> stanreg, set it to release, and then "debug" should both compile and flash, at least it does for me
[08:34:41] <stanreg> Malinuss: Set it to release?
[08:34:47] <Malinuss> aye
[08:34:51] <Malinuss> instead of debug
[08:35:51] <stanreg> Malinuss: where is that to be found, good sir?
[08:36:09] <Malinuss> stanreg, look in the top toolbar
[08:36:12] <stanreg> found!
[09:05:48] <atommann> hi
[09:06:18] <atommann> In the latest atmega328p datasheet, the default value for efuse is 0xFF, but when I use avrdude to dump it, it is 0x07.
[09:07:26] <atommann> The Extended Fuse Byte for ATmega328/328P only use bit number 0, 1, 2.
[09:08:01] <megal0maniac> atommann: http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc
[09:08:28] <atommann> Bit number 3 to 7 is not used, if we assume it is 0, it is 0x07.
[09:08:42] <atommann> But in the datasheet, the default value is 1 instead of 0.
[09:08:47] <atommann> megal0maniac, thanks.
[09:11:45] <megal0maniac> I suppose "ff" is just a nicer way to represent "everything cleared" than 0x07 is. It's a valid setting for the extended fuse bits since the upper bits will be ignored
[09:22:56] <atommann> megal0maniac, I understand now, thank you.
[09:30:55] <tzanger> the docs usually say "maintain all undefined fuses at their unprogrammed (1) level" -- just because the manual doesn't state what a bit does doesn't mean the bit does nothing.
[09:31:36] <megal0maniac> tzanger: They are the magic bits :)
[09:31:40] <tzanger> you can get all kinds of screwy things going on if you don't follow the datasheets. There are hidden test modes for manufacture in almost every device.
[09:34:45] <megal0maniac> You really shouldn't be telling me this
[09:35:03] <megal0maniac> Now I'm going to go looking, changing every undefined bit I can find in everything
[09:38:33] <tzanger> megal0maniac: it's not that interesting, really
[09:39:03] <tzanger> I mean when you first hear of it it's like COOL SHIT but after a while you realize you don't know what it's doing and you get tired of guessing and just want the part ot do what you want. :-)
[09:42:23] <megal0maniac> I suppose I just want to know because I know I'm not supposed to know :)
[09:42:29] <megal0maniac> 'lo abcminiuser_ :)
[09:42:52] <abcminiuser_> Heyo
[09:42:58] <abcminiuser_> Got company over be back later
[09:46:13] <megal0maniac> Aight. When you get back, maybe you can tell us what undocumented fuse bits can do :P
[09:48:46] <RikusW> It seems that PCIe 6 pin connectors fit inside the 8 pin EPS socket on a motherboard, but with wrong polarite :S
[09:48:55] * RikusW almost blew a brand new MB
[09:49:40] * RikusW wonders what idiot decided to wire it like that...
[09:49:51] <megal0maniac> Don't do that :P
[09:49:57] <megal0maniac> Upgrading time?
[09:50:26] <RikusW> new pc time
[09:50:32] <megal0maniac> Woo!
[09:50:38] * megal0maniac got a solidstate
[09:50:50] <RikusW> the 6pin shouldn't even fit in the EPS socket :S
[09:50:56] <RikusW> but it does
[09:51:09] <RikusW> and the 4 pin one's wires are too short....
[09:51:20] <megal0maniac> But cannot use it in the laptop because of the high power consumption, or in the PC because it keeps "disappearing" :(
[09:51:40] * RikusW got a raidmax superhurricane case with the psu mounted at the bottom...
[09:51:59] <RikusW> and this psu was intended for top mount
[09:52:12] <megal0maniac> I also have a raidmax case
[09:52:19] <megal0maniac> Top mounted PSU though
[09:53:01] <RikusW> tzanger: most tinys use ISP and some have dW
[09:53:22] <megal0maniac> RikusW: http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/upload/product_images/51e3fdece7aefa6fcd6482c2efe0db8f93449.jpg
[09:53:29] <tzanger> RikusW: yes, I use ISP for my attiny13a board, but needed hvsp too
[09:53:53] <RikusW> http://www.raidmax.com/chassis/superhurricane.html
[09:54:39] <RikusW> they have other nice looking cases too
[09:54:40] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Looks a bit like a black storm trooper...
[09:54:46] <RikusW> heh
[09:54:50] <megal0maniac> Mine is discontinued. I really like it though
[09:55:36] <RikusW> atommann: avrdude might mess with the fuse value you see
[09:56:23] <atommann> yes
[10:28:20] <tzanger> my cases are usually old pieces of shit missing the side panels
[10:32:07] <RikusW> tzanger: I got plenty of those..
[10:32:34] <RikusW> But I'd rather have a new case for new hw
[10:34:32] <tzanger> I usually don't want to spend a penny on the case and put it toward the hardware :-)
[10:36:48] <megal0maniac> tzanger: When I put my last machine together, I'd set aside $35 for a case and PSU combo. But then I saw the case I wanted and I had to have it. Even though it was $60 and had no PSU.
[10:36:58] <tzanger> heh
[10:37:11] <tzanger> my i7 machine needed a bit more than a <$35 PSU
[10:37:25] <tzanger> I think I spent close to $100 on the PSU
[10:37:28] <tzanger> which is insane IMO
[10:37:28] <megal0maniac> I had to upgrade the PSU eventually
[10:37:37] <megal0maniac> $55 or so
[10:37:58] <megal0maniac> Runs my i5 + GTS250 + 3 hard drives + some fans quite happily
[11:02:02] <langoliers> hi
[11:02:35] <langoliers> who is willing to help me create a simple ps2 keyboard with 5 keys ?
[11:03:21] <langoliers> i have 36 hours left
[11:09:33] <langoliers> i mean the hardware is done, just need to be assembled
[11:09:50] <langoliers> and no code yet
[11:34:11] <hackvana> atommann: Hi
[11:34:19] <atommann> hi
[11:35:11] <atommann> thanks for your help. I make the usnoobie works. http://www.frank-zhao.com/usnoobie/index.php
[11:35:42] <atommann> hackvana, in avrlibc document http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/group__util__delay.html
[11:36:18] <atommann> it says: void _delay_ms ( double __ms )
[11:36:21] <hackvana> Setting F_CPU right is quite important
[11:36:25] <atommann> Perform a delay of __ms milliseconds, using _delay_loop_2().
[11:36:34] <atommann> The macro F_CPU is supposed to be defined to a constant defining the CPU clock frequency (in Hertz).
[11:36:41] <atommann> The maximal possible delay is 262.14 ms / F_CPU in MHz.
[11:37:17] <atommann> What I can't understand well is "262.14ms / F_CPU in MHz"
[11:37:33] <atommann> 262.14ms per 1MHz?
[11:37:47] <hackvana> What is your value of F_CPU?
[11:37:54] <atommann> or 262.14ms per 12MHz?
[11:37:57] <atommann> 12MHz
[11:38:04] <megal0maniac> Is there something wrong with this? char[] numbers = {0x81, 0xCF};
[11:38:19] <hackvana> So the value of "F_CPU in MHz" is 12.
[11:38:35] <hackvana> So the maximum delay is 262.14/12ms
[11:39:01] <hackvana> Note, what it's talking about is a delay which is accurate to one clock cycle
[11:39:27] <hackvana> If you give a delay longer than 262.14/12ms, you will get the delay, but it will be an approximation, not exact.
[11:39:38] <atommann> so it is about 22ms?
[11:39:55] <hackvana> If you want a delay accurate to one clock cycle, yes.
[11:40:06] <twnqx> megal0maniac: yes
[11:40:28] <hackvana> atommann: You can get longer delays, but they are approximations
[11:40:43] <atommann> hackvana, thanks a lot!
[11:40:56] <hackvana> You're welcome
[11:41:31] <atommann> the usnoobie has a build-in usbasp bootloader/programmer.
[11:41:38] <hackvana> Cool!
[11:42:02] <hackvana> Assuming your clock is exactly 12MHz, then if you do _delay_ms(500), the delay you get will not be exactly 6,000,000 clock cycles long.
[11:42:22] <hackvana> But it will be reasonably close to it.
[11:42:26] <MrM0bius> hackvana, why not?
[11:42:32] <hackvana> If you're just blinking an LED, it will be good enough
[11:42:39] <atommann> I press the button to enter programmer mode, then type "make program", avrdude response: avrdude: verifying ...
[11:42:39] <atommann> avrdude: 292 bytes of flash verified
[11:42:39] <atommann> avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK
[11:42:39] <atommann> avrdude: error: usbasp_transmit: Numerical result out of range
[11:42:39] <atommann> avrdude done. Thank you.
[11:42:43] <MrM0bius> it should be fairly simple to make a macro that will give you 6,000,000 cycles
[11:43:09] <twnqx> not really
[11:43:18] <hackvana> Yes indeed, but that macro is not called _delay_ms()
[11:43:22] <atommann> even it says "avrdude: error: usbasp_transmit: Numerical result out of range", but the program still works well.
[11:43:23] <twnqx> what happens if an interrupt occurs in the middle :P
[11:43:28] <hackvana> You'd have to call it something else
[11:44:35] <twnqx> also you'll need a 24bit counter and calculate all the instruction timings in all cases
[11:44:38] <MrM0bius> twnqx, good point but barring that and assuming your 12MHz clock is perfect, you should know exactly how many cycles whatever loop your macro uses takes to delay cycles. then just pad it with nops to get exactly 6,000,000
[11:44:41] <hackvana> I believe it's done as a counting loop, so if an interrupt happens and an ISR is called, the counting loop doesn't progress for the time the MCU is executing the ISR
[11:45:18] <MrM0bius> yeah thats fine but if there are no ISRs you should be able to get exactly the number of cycles you want to wait
[11:45:31] <twnqx> no, it might make a difference if an overflow occureed in any bit - then every 256/65536 cycles you'll be off a cycle or a few
[11:45:52] <MrM0bius> why would an overflow ever occur?
[11:45:57] <twnqx> so the cycle length will differ pretty much
[11:46:04] <twnqx> because you have 8bit regs...
[11:46:12] <twnqx> not 16, not 24, not 32 :P
[11:46:24] <MrM0bius> you could have a 4 bit reg and still not need to overflow
[11:46:33] <twnqx> while counting to 6000000?
[11:46:39] <MrM0bius> yes
[11:46:43] <twnqx> ummm
[11:46:50] <hackvana> There is an exact answer for each of the scenarios you've mentioned, just that the answer is not the same for all scenarios
[11:46:52] <twnqx> you could unroll 6m nops, too
[11:46:59] <MrM0bius> lol
[11:47:16] <twnqx> but how you count to 6m without exceeding 4bits
[11:47:20] <twnqx> remains a mystery to me
[11:47:49] <MrM0bius> THAT wouldnt make any sense. i dont see why you wouldnt just check the value of the reg. your just wasting cycles anyway. why do you need to overflow? even if you do it will use the same number of cycles every time
[11:48:22] <MrM0bius> twnqx, for that you could need RAM, the same as you could need if you have 8 bit or 16 bit or 24 bit registers
[11:48:27] <MrM0bius> could=would
[11:48:47] <twnqx> you need three 8bit regs
[11:49:03] <MrM0bius> or one reg and two bytes of memory
[11:49:20] <twnqx> and then your timing varies between internal and external ram :P
[11:49:43] <MrM0bius> it doesnt vary every time you run it
[11:50:15] <twnqx> personally
[11:50:19] <twnqx> i'd delay with a hardware timer
[11:50:45] <MrM0bius> thats probably smart
[11:50:58] <MrM0bius> but i still think getting exactly 6,000,000 cycles wouldnt be that hard
[11:50:59] <twnqx> but hey, give your perfect 6m cycles loop a chance, i'd be interested
[11:51:09] <twnqx> just out of curiosity of course
[11:51:12] <MrM0bius> ya
[11:51:18] <MrM0bius> like you said its not needed for LEDs
[11:52:19] <twnqx> my programs usually have int main () { init_everything (); while (1) do_sleep (); }
[11:52:45] <twnqx> interrupts for the win :)
[12:19:45] <abcminiuser_> Greetings y'all
[12:20:52] <hackvana> abcminiuser_: Why hello there.
[12:25:16] <tzanger> Steppenwolf was an assumed name. He was born Toby Wild.
[12:25:55] <OndraSter__> hello abcminiuser_
[12:26:45] <abcminiuser_> It's nice to have contact again
[12:26:49] <langoliers> abcminiuser_<= why can't atmel put a mux in the microcontrollers that sets default fuses for programming mode ?
[12:26:50] <OndraSter__> hehe
[12:26:56] <abcminiuser_> Spent all damn morning in IT trying to get my damn account unlocked
[12:27:05] <OndraSter__> langoliers, ?
[12:27:29] <OndraSter__> use xmega
[12:27:31] <OndraSter__> PDI cannot be disabled :P
[12:27:34] <langoliers> while pulling reset
[12:27:47] <OndraSter__> (I presume that if you disable external reset, it still works for PDI)
[12:27:59] <OndraSter__> right abcminiuser_ ?
[12:28:02] <langoliers> sounds like i should get some xmega too? what are the benefits?
[12:28:14] <OndraSter__> heh
[12:28:15] <OndraSter__> well
[12:28:17] <OndraSter__> let's start
[12:28:30] <OndraSter__> 32MHz core (32MHz RC OR external xtal/RC with PLL built-in)
[12:28:32] <OndraSter__> proper USB
[12:28:36] <OndraSter__> much faster and better 12bit DAC
[12:28:38] <OndraSter__> err
[12:28:40] <OndraSter__> ADC
[12:28:43] <OndraSter__> 2MSPS
[12:28:47] <OndraSter__> some devices have got two separate ADCs
[12:28:55] <OndraSter__> then it has got dualchannel 1MSPS DAC
[12:28:59] <OndraSter__> some devices have got two
[12:29:03] <langoliers> sounds game
[12:29:03] <OndraSter__> DMA
[12:29:07] <OndraSter__> cheaper than atmega
[12:29:15] <OndraSter__> comes in 44, 64 and 100 pin packages
[12:29:24] <OndraSter__> and 32pin for the new E series, which ahs got some nice sounding features
[12:29:26] <langoliers> what is a nice device ? like an mega168 in 8 bit ?
[12:29:37] <OndraSter__> xmega32a4u for example
[12:29:43] <OndraSter__> my boards have got xmega128a4u
[12:29:43] <tzanger> I have an stm32 I want to use
[12:29:55] <OndraSter__> (arduino form) or xmega256a3u (breadboard style)
[12:30:04] <abcminiuser_> OndraSter__, yup PDI is foolproof
[12:30:14] <OndraSter__> oh nice
[12:30:15] <langoliers> so the ATMEGA is legacy now ?
[12:30:16] <OndraSter__> awesome
[12:30:18] <OndraSter__> well
[12:30:22] <OndraSter__> I like to call it that way
[12:30:23] <OndraSter__> but no
[12:30:30] <abcminiuser_> We still make both
[12:30:40] <abcminiuser_> But use an XMEGA if you can, cheaper and 10x more awesome
[12:30:45] <OndraSter__> yep
[12:30:48] <langoliers> :)
[12:30:56] <OndraSter__> maybe even more than 10 times more
[12:30:59] <langoliers> 32MHz internal RC? hehe
[12:31:02] <OndraSter__> yep
[12:31:05] <OndraSter__> but!
[12:31:08] <OndraSter__> you can feed it into the internal PLL
[12:31:14] <OndraSter__> which is divided by 4 into 8MHz base clock
[12:31:18] <OndraSter__> and then multiply it
[12:31:21] <OndraSter__> I ran the core at 80MHz :P
[12:31:36] <langoliers> oced ^^
[12:31:40] <OndraSter__> indeed
[12:31:54] <langoliers> hmm i could use 2 dac
[12:31:55] <OndraSter__> pretty much all devices do 48MHz without blinking an eye, 64MHz should be possible on all newer revisions too
[12:31:59] <langoliers> and a fast adc
[12:32:01] <OndraSter__> well, 1MSPS with two channels
[12:32:07] <OndraSter__> so 500ksps per channel
[12:32:18] <OndraSter__> adc can sample two inputs nearly simultaniously
[12:32:23] <OndraSter__> (by 1 ADC clock)
[12:32:30] <megal0maniac> OndraSter__: Have you made any more xboards?
[12:32:34] <OndraSter__> no, not yet
[12:32:36] <OndraSter__> :P
[12:32:41] <OndraSter__> do you want Ultra?
[12:32:41] <megal0maniac> Bleh!
[12:32:57] <langoliers> and i assume you raise some voltage and it will do fine at higher clocks
[12:33:05] <megal0maniac> Not right now :P
[12:33:05] <OndraSter__> not tried
[12:33:08] <OndraSter__> I run it at 3.3V
[12:33:09] <OndraSter__> always
[12:33:18] <OndraSter__> it hasn't got 5V inputs
[12:33:23] <OndraSter__> so 3.3V only
[12:33:33] <OndraSter__> (and down)
[12:33:37] <langoliers> i like the 1.8V system too
[12:33:43] <OndraSter__> Vcc is rated as 1.6V (12MHz) - 3.6V (32MHz)
[12:33:52] <OndraSter__> the 32MHz is available from 2.8? 3? V
[12:34:03] <OndraSter__> but hey
[12:34:11] <OndraSter__> I dare you not to try 32MHz at 1.8V
[12:34:43] <langoliers> try means nothing :) ;)
[12:34:51] <langoliers> it may just not work properly
[12:35:28] <OndraSter__> :P
[12:35:34] <OndraSter__> EEPROM should have got its own clock source
[12:35:50] <OndraSter__> I do wonder what happens with high speed PWM extension if you overclock the core
[12:35:55] <OndraSter__> it should in theory overclock too
[12:36:03] <OndraSter__> if the core is at 32MHz the PWM is at 128MHz
[12:38:07] <specing> \o/ DE eshop sent me a new computer today :)
[12:38:56] <megal0maniac> specing: Did you pay for it?
[12:39:03] <langoliers> somebody can throw a working ps2 keyboard code for atmega please? :)
[12:39:14] <langoliers> ( to send keys to PC )
[12:39:42] <megal0maniac> langoliers: Go look for Arduino libraries. Yes, it's intended for Arduino, but the code is all in plain C so you can see how it works
[12:40:05] <langoliers> i don't use arduino
[12:40:14] <megal0maniac> It isn't Arduino
[12:40:37] <megal0maniac> The libraries for Arduino are written in plain C. Check this out: http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/td_libs_PS2Keyboard.html
[12:41:07] <specing> megal0maniac: yes
[12:41:08] <langoliers> you got me wrong, i need the other side
[12:41:15] <specing> megal0maniac: 100 Euro less than I would around here
[12:41:32] <langoliers> i want to make a keyboard you can plug into pc, and boot with it without errors
[12:41:44] <megal0maniac> specing: In that case, \o/
[12:41:52] <megal0maniac> langoliers: Aha
[12:44:11] * RikusW solved the psu problem, just took a longer 4pin 12V wire from another scrapped psu..
[12:44:42] <RikusW> will probably get a better psu when I put in some graphics card or better cpu
[12:44:47] <RikusW> currently its only 400W
[12:44:50] <langoliers> RikusW<= yeah i used to put extra power connectors on my psu from dead psus too :)
[12:45:08] <RikusW> langoliers: the 12V 4pin cpu wire was too short
[12:45:21] <RikusW> because the box I got have the psu in the bottom
[12:45:28] <langoliers> hehe
[12:45:47] <langoliers> taht is a simple hack, some heat-shrink, and thick cables
[12:45:48] <RikusW> the 6pin PCIe connector cable is long enough, it een fits, BUT the polarity is WRONG !
[12:46:01] <RikusW> *even
[12:46:18] <RikusW> nice way to get rid of a motherboard :S
[12:46:52] <RikusW> my mb got the EPS socket..
[12:47:07] <megal0maniac> langoliers: Why not USB keyboard?
[12:47:37] <langoliers> vusb keyboard?
[12:48:05] <langoliers> i was told it is not cool
[12:48:21] <megal0maniac> Well, USB HID keyboard. Either through vusb or with a chip that has hardware USB
[12:48:46] <langoliers> and vusb's license prevents that btw
[12:49:24] <specing> RikusW: what does the MB have to do with the PCIe power cable?
[12:49:52] <megal0maniac> specing: He nearly plugged into the 4pin atx power :)
[12:50:05] <OndraSter__> lol
[12:50:05] <specing> Im not sure why old cases were made with PSU on top...
[12:50:11] <OndraSter__> all were
[12:50:23] <RikusW> megal0maniac: the PCIe 6pin cable fits in the MB, but it will cause SMOKE !
[12:50:32] <specing> Im not sure if you can physically stich a PCIe connector in anything other than a GPU
[12:50:33] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Weeeee!
[12:50:38] <langoliers> because hot air goes up ?
[12:50:41] <OndraSter__> RikusW, well 4 vs 6 pins
[12:50:52] <RikusW> I got the 8pin EPS socket not the normal 4pin one
[12:51:10] <RikusW> MSI Z77A-G43
[12:51:19] <specing> RikusW: sure, but the plastic connector is not symetrical
[12:51:24] <OndraSter__> oh
[12:51:26] <RikusW> it fits
[12:51:27] <OndraSter__> and 8pin GPU?
[12:51:33] <RikusW> not sure
[12:51:37] <specing> RikusW: Z77? what CPU?
[12:51:38] <OndraSter__> well
[12:51:42] <OndraSter__> I have got G45
[12:51:45] <OndraSter__> of the same board
[12:51:54] <RikusW> but 6pin gpu -> 8pin EPS on MB = trouble
[12:51:58] <OndraSter__> heh
[12:52:03] <OndraSter__> I would never think it would fit
[12:52:22] <RikusW> specing: thats the mb nr cpu = G2020
[12:52:28] <RikusW> 8GB ram
[12:52:50] <OndraSter__> 8GB *meh*
[12:52:53] <OndraSter__> lol
[12:52:59] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Odd CPU/RAM combo..
[12:53:10] <RikusW> its a major upgrade from 512MB ;)
[12:53:21] <RikusW> megal0maniac: whats odd about it ? too much ram ?
[12:53:44] <RikusW> btw my MB clocks GPU / CPU / RAM independently :)
[12:53:47] <specing> RikusW: Why did you buy an overclocking motherboard for a PENTIUM!?
[12:53:53] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I've got an i5 and 4gb RAM.
[12:54:00] <specing> just seems unreasonable...
[12:54:02] <OndraSter__> I have got i5 and 24GB RAM
[12:54:09] <OndraSter__> G43 is cheap
[12:54:13] <megal0maniac> OndraSter__: Well you have Europe :P
[12:54:16] <specing> I'm soon going to have an i5 and 16 GB ram
[12:54:17] <OndraSter__> haha
[12:54:17] <RikusW> got the cheap cpu with later upgrading in mind
[12:54:37] <specing> RikusW: Celerons are cheap
[12:54:42] <RikusW> also using the onboard gpu for now
[12:54:42] <specing> RikusW: Pentiums not
[12:55:00] <MrMobius> OndraSter__, why so much RAM?
[12:55:00] <RikusW> its not that much more than celeron
[12:55:02] <specing> Pentiums are just celeron + 0.5 GHz and *2 the price
[12:55:03] <megal0maniac> RikusW: Ah. I tend to get the expensive-to-replace stuff (i.e. CPU) first, and upgrade hdd / RAM later
[12:55:06] <OndraSter__> MrMobius, why not
[12:55:11] <OndraSter__> I had 2x2x4GB
[12:55:16] <MrMobius> specing, thats not true at all
[12:55:18] <OndraSter__> aka two dualchannel kits 8GB each
[12:55:28] <stanreg> hmm.. two unsigned chars.. I'd like to take a condition (if) only if they are separated by at least 32.. is there a better way than: if (abs(a-b) > 32){...
[12:55:31] <OndraSter__> but I needed two more DDR3 sticks for my server
[12:55:34] <langoliers> specing<= and not disabled cache, extra instrucionts.
[12:55:41] <OndraSter__> so I bought 16GB dualchannel for my PC
[12:55:48] <RikusW> specing: and 3MB cache, the same as i3 for half the price and dual core 2 thread instead of i3 4 hyperthreads
[12:55:49] <specing> langoliers: extra instructions, which ones?
[12:55:55] <OndraSter__> and put two sticks from my PC to the server
[12:55:59] <MrMobius> specing, when pentiums have defects they often disable a lot of features that make tem run faster then sell them as celerons.
[12:56:12] <OndraSter__> my server runs on G550
[12:56:15] <OndraSter__> and 8GB RAM
[12:56:17] * RikusW got 2x4GB
[12:56:17] <OndraSter__> and cheap MSI board
[12:56:18] <langoliers> specing<= i think i remember there were extra features of pentiums, but it was 10 years abo
[12:56:19] <OndraSter__> H61
[12:56:51] <RikusW> got this ram AP8G-DDR310600K2-B
[12:56:52] <megal0maniac> I have H61
[12:57:14] <megal0maniac> I think..?
[12:57:25] <OndraSter__> hehe
[12:57:27] <OndraSter__> my PC had P67
[12:57:31] <OndraSter__> which I put on RMA
[12:57:33] <OndraSter__> got money back
[12:57:33] <RikusW> my mb cost ZAR1200
[12:57:38] <OndraSter__> 1 month before the warranty ran out
[12:57:45] <OndraSter__> so I bought Z77 for the mone
[12:57:45] <OndraSter__> y
[12:58:05] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I've got an unused 1155 board under my bed :/
[12:58:21] <RikusW> which chipset ?
[12:58:36] <megal0maniac> Intel DH61SA
[12:58:38] <megal0maniac> No PCIe
[12:58:41] <RikusW> hmm
[12:59:04] <twnqx> <megal0maniac> Is there something wrong with this? char[] numbers = {0x81, 0xCF}; <- got that sorted?
[12:59:05] <RikusW> for once I'd like to have the option of getting a graphics card
[12:59:13] <langoliers> AVR XMEGA devices integrate Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) and Data Encryption Standard (DES) crypto modules, < hah does this mean i can simply aes encrypt my alarm system wireless remote communication ?
[12:59:19] <RikusW> the i810 and i845 both had onboard only
[12:59:23] <OndraSter__> langoliers, yes
[12:59:33] <megal0maniac> twnqx: I got it, thanks :)
[12:59:44] <RikusW> now using a Athlon XP3200+ pc so using AGP at last :-P
[12:59:48] <megal0maniac> RikusW: That's why I can't sell the damn thing :P
[13:00:19] <RikusW> for a few months, nearly skipped from PCI to PCIe graphics cards ;)
[13:01:03] <tzanger> langoliers: you can encrypt it without specialized instructions. look up xtea for a really simple and reasonably secure implementation
[13:01:18] <RikusW> megal0maniac: put a cheap celeron in it with 2 or 4GB ram and sell as a pc instead
[13:02:09] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I'd rather wait until someone needs it, then I'll build around it to spec
[13:02:23] <megal0maniac> Will be for a middle-aged/older couple most likely
[13:02:37] <megal0maniac> Got a few clients like that
[13:03:33] <megal0maniac> langoliers: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ps2avr/
[13:03:49] <langoliers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTEA
[13:04:11] <langoliers> hah never heard of this yet, looks simple :) this will fit in an attiny13 i think
[13:05:16] <langoliers> megal0maniac<= wow thanks, maybe this is all i need to hack one together in 30 hours ?
[13:06:40] <megal0maniac> langoliers: Google. :)
[13:07:42] <langoliers> google hates me:( but i hate it too
[13:14:11] <Tom_itx> bing hates google too
[13:15:10] <OndraSter__> haha
[13:15:16] <OndraSter__> google is watching you too much
[13:15:19] <OndraSter__> bing does not
[13:15:29] <Tom_itx> far as you know
[13:16:21] <tzanger> yeah, right
[13:16:35] <tzanger> remember... if you can't determine what the service is selling, it's selling you.
[13:17:47] <Tom_itx> it's ok, i'm cheap
[13:17:51] <langoliers> my default is bing now, because of the too much trackers on google
[13:17:58] <langoliers> bing is less crap now
[13:18:30] <langoliers> ms only wants your money, google wants to sell you
[13:18:31] <langoliers> :)
[13:18:57] <OndraSter__> yep
[13:19:35] <OndraSter__> nice qoute langoliers
[13:19:38] <OndraSter__> quote
[13:19:43] <langoliers> ty
[13:20:18] <langoliers> i have a good day, generated it on the fly
[13:20:40] <langoliers> peanuts are good too
[13:20:52] <OndraSter__> peanut butter jelly time
[13:21:00] <langoliers> yeah
[13:21:18] * RikusW will rather have peanut butter + vanilla ice cream
[13:21:29] <OndraSter__> I have got here banana ice cream
[13:21:37] <RikusW> might work ;)
[13:22:06] <OndraSter__> I got it so my sister wouldn't eat it
[13:22:19] <OndraSter__> (plus I had all the other flavours in the past)
[13:22:22] * langoliers would like peanut butter with Vanilia ;)
[13:22:37] <langoliers> ( girl name )
[13:23:44] <OndraSter__> :P
[13:23:53] <langoliers> *Vanilla
[13:23:55] <langoliers> :)
[13:24:02] <langoliers> what are you making ?
[13:24:16] <OndraSter__> you jealous
[13:26:38] <megal0maniac> IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!!
[13:26:52] * megal0maniac dances
[13:27:02] <OndraSter__> megal0maniac, FINALLY SOMEBODY
[13:27:04] <OndraSter__> understood my joke
[13:27:47] <megal0maniac> :)
[13:29:10] <megal0maniac> Couldn't leave you hanging
[13:29:21] <OndraSter__> what about Iraq Lobster
[13:29:35] <OndraSter__> I thought originally it was A Rock Lobster lol
[13:30:01] <megal0maniac> Still with you
[13:30:17] <OndraSter__> I WANT NEW EPISODEEEEEEEEES
[13:33:46] <OndraSter__> http://www.youtube.com/user/SimplePickup?feature=fvst
[13:33:48] <OndraSter__> lol
[13:36:06] <langoliers> what is the joke ?
[13:36:22] <langoliers> i can't laugh at a dancing banana
[13:36:35] <langoliers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ZAGBL6UBA
[13:37:40] * RikusNeW on new pc :)
[13:38:00] <megal0maniac> langoliers: It's an old meme
[13:38:08] <megal0maniac> RikusNeW: Glad to hear it didn't ontplof :)
[13:38:27] <RikusW> fortunately not :)
[13:38:35] <RikusW> made very sure it was done right
[13:38:50] <RikusNeW> (ontplof = explode)
[13:39:11] <RikusNeW> this pc is running Linux Mint :)
[13:39:29] <RikusNeW> back on Linux at last :)
[13:39:40] <langoliers> hahaha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_red_paperclip
[13:43:14] <langoliers> lold? On or about April 26, 2006, he traded the one year's rent in Phoenix, Arizona, for one afternoon with Alice Cooper.
[13:43:37] <megal0maniac> Holy crap our prices are inflated :/
[13:43:40] <megal0maniac> http://www.corsair.com/us/ssd/neutron-series-gtx-ssd/neutron-series-gtxb-120gb-sata-3-6gbps-ssd.html
[13:44:41] <megal0maniac> I paid $180 for that, from the suppliers. Retail is like $205
[13:44:54] <megal0maniac> And it doesn't even work >.<
[13:46:43] <specing> megal0maniac: lol
[13:46:55] <specing> megal0maniac: that is why I bouth from deutschland
[13:46:59] <specing> +t
[13:47:15] <megal0maniac> specing: Yeah, but shipping and taxes. You're lucky, you're in EU already
[13:48:03] <specing> I noticed there is a jumbo add where I wait for the bus to take me home that is advertising a Cannon EOS 600D camera for 700 EUR
[13:48:31] <specing> They even had the courage to write "Best Price!" in bold red on it
[13:48:47] <megal0maniac> That's very chinese of them
[13:48:48] <specing> I go to preis.de and find the same camera for 450 Eur
[13:49:11] <specing> THATS 1.50 THE PRICE!
[13:49:29] <specing> And the germans make profit, too...
[13:49:31] <inkjetunito> germans get the eu discount
[13:50:15] <OndraSter_> czechs get to pay taxes from taxes
[13:50:48] <megal0maniac> And we get taxes on taxes on markups and shipping
[13:51:21] <langoliers> it is $200 for shipping from us to europe
[13:51:50] <inkjetunito> langoliers: that must be a huge packet
[13:52:59] <langoliers> i mean posting, ship is cheaper
[13:53:01] <OndraSter_> ethernet packet
[13:54:48] <langoliers> megal0maniac<= http://ocz.com/consumer/vertex-3-20nm-sata-3-ssd :)
[13:55:12] * OndraSter_ has got Crucial m4
[13:55:13] <OndraSter_> 128GB
[13:55:34] <megal0maniac> Well I have Seagate barracuda and momentus slim
[13:55:49] <specing> megal0maniac: which barracuda? 2012.14?
[13:55:57] <megal0maniac> 12 I think
[13:56:07] <megal0maniac> SSD is now in a box
[13:56:34] <specing> No noticeable improvement? :D
[13:56:59] <OndraSter_> I am WD guy
[13:57:06] <OndraSter_> I have got WD6400AAKS for 5? 4? years now
[13:57:13] <megal0maniac> Drains my laptop battery, and keeps acting as if you've pulled out the SATA cable on my desktop. Everything gets sticky, then it reboots and cant find bootable drive. Going into bios shows that it's disappeared. Power cycle fixes it for another 20 minutes
[13:57:19] <OndraSter_> WD20EARS died on me after 1 year, but I managed to back up the data when it was dying
[13:57:26] <OndraSter_> so I lost just one vmware machine
[13:57:28] <OndraSter_> luckily
[13:57:48] <OndraSter_> megal0maniac, same was happening for me on SATA2 ports on P67 board
[13:57:53] <OndraSter_> but that was known issue :P
[13:57:58] <OndraSter_> with P67 B2 revision
[13:58:06] <OndraSter_> afk
[13:58:23] <megal0maniac> Hmmm... Maybe bios update time
[13:58:25] <specing> Looks like Intel just can't get it I/O right
[13:58:34] <megal0maniac> specing: It's on SATA3
[13:58:38] <specing> P67 sata fuckup
[13:58:43] <langoliers> eat this ? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Black_Forest_gateau.jpg
[13:58:44] <specing> Haswell USB 3.0 issues.
[13:58:48] <specing> ...
[13:59:08] <specing> langoliers: loooks yummi
[13:59:20] <specing> except for that violet part
[13:59:21] <megal0maniac> Sure I have H61...
[13:59:35] <langoliers> "The cake is a lie", based on the false promise of a Black Forest cake as a reward, is popularized from the video game series Portal.
[14:01:08] * RikusW got a WD20EZRX :)
[14:02:13] <langoliers> ATXMEGA16D4-AU < hah this is drit cheap
[14:04:30] <langoliers> but don't have usb
[14:12:42] <langoliers> i can get a few of this http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-8387-8-and16-bit-AVR-Microcontroller-XMEGA-A4U_Datasheet.pdf
[14:12:47] <langoliers> nice colorful datasheet
[14:14:36] <megal0maniac> Woah!
[14:14:40] <megal0maniac> BIOS from 2011...
[14:14:51] <megal0maniac> Update could very well fix this
[14:22:22] <langoliers> http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-8331-8-and-16-bit-AVR-Microcontroller-XMEGA-AU_Manual.pdf
[14:22:27] <langoliers> hmm manual...
[14:24:00] <OndraSter_> langoliers, D series and A(U) series are quite different
[14:24:10] <OndraSter_> D series = mega with better PIN controls, 32MHz clock pretty much
[14:24:20] <OndraSter_> no DMA, no DAC, no better ADC (only 12bit, but only 200ksps)
[14:24:27] <OndraSter_> *12bit (not only)
[14:24:57] <langoliers> so many options
[14:25:32] <OndraSter_> yesterday I wrote here a list of all possible combinations
[14:25:38] <langoliers> i would only settle for a good-for-everything type
[14:25:40] <OndraSter_> the series - pin count
[14:27:33] <OndraSter_> oh noooo
[14:27:37] <OndraSter_> I do not have logging enabled :(
[14:27:39] <OndraSter_> well basically
[14:27:45] <OndraSter_> A series = best peripherals
[14:27:48] <OndraSter_> B series = display
[14:27:56] <langoliers> OndraSter_<= i was just checking availability informations
[14:27:58] <OndraSter_> D series = cheap, but not many interesting peripherals
[14:28:02] <OndraSter_> C series = A and D combined
[14:28:09] <OndraSter_> E series = with some special features
[14:28:11] <OndraSter_> then
[14:28:16] <OndraSter_> 1 -- 100pin devices
[14:28:20] <OndraSter_> 3 -- 64pin
[14:28:24] <OndraSter_> 4 - 44 pin
[14:28:26] <OndraSter_> 5 -- 32pin
[14:28:29] <OndraSter_> then
[14:28:35] <OndraSter_> *u -- with USB module
[14:28:38] <OndraSter_> (on all C series I think)
[14:28:44] <OndraSter_> *b* -- with battery backup
[14:28:55] <langoliers> yeah i figured out te -1 -4 and U thing
[14:29:08] <langoliers> so it is the A version that knows everything, but not cheap
[14:29:17] <OndraSter_> well, a4u series is fairly cheap
[14:29:23] <OndraSter_> if you want bigger, then look for xmega256a3u
[14:29:27] <OndraSter_> bigass flash and RAM
[14:29:36] <OndraSter_> 64pins, huge amount of peripherals
[14:29:54] <OndraSter_> and then 128a1u -- with 100 pins, external RAM interface (SDRAM upto 16MB)
[14:30:05] <OndraSter_> and two DACs and two ADCs
[14:30:49] <langoliers> i found this for cheap, 2-3 euros ATXMEGA 32A4U-AU
[14:30:57] <OndraSter_> yeah
[14:31:04] <OndraSter_> I wanted to use 32a4u, I went for 128a4u instead :)
[14:31:05] <langoliers> sounds game
[14:31:07] <megal0maniac> motherboard bricked.
[14:31:16] <megal0maniac> ffs intel
[14:31:16] <OndraSter_> I had issues fitting my USB bootloader into 4kB flash :P
[14:31:22] <OndraSter_> :o megal0maniac
[14:31:27] <OndraSter_> I never bricked motherboard by falshing BIOS :D
[14:31:39] <langoliers> OndraSter_<= but if 32k is enough then ok no? :)
[14:31:40] <megal0maniac> I even did that ezflash thing
[14:31:44] <OndraSter_> langoliers, sure
[14:31:49] <OndraSter_> it has got actually 36kB :)
[14:31:50] <RikusW> I bricked and old mb
[14:31:55] <OndraSter_> 32kB user + 4kB bootloader
[14:32:00] <OndraSter_> but your code can overlap to BL too
[14:32:26] <RikusW> luckily backed up the flash, much later built a ISA card for the flash chip and wrote a turbo pascal app to reprogram it
[14:32:34] <RikusW> it worked in the end :)
[14:32:36] <OndraSter_> wow
[14:33:06] <RikusW> that was back in 2004 that it was bricked, repaired it a few years later ;)
[14:33:37] <RikusW> seems the flash utility dumps a raw binary
[14:33:38] <megal0maniac> "Intel Desktop Board inside(tm)"
[14:33:43] <megal0maniac> orly?
[14:33:51] <langoliers> you just hook your atxmega to avrdude too ?
[14:33:57] * megal0maniac starts looking for debug ports
[14:34:23] <langoliers> atxdude < haha
[14:34:24] <RikusW> megal0maniac: flashed to wrong bios into it ?
[14:34:49] <RikusW> does it perhaps have a 8 pin dip bios ?
[14:35:50] <RikusW> those are SPI
[14:36:40] <abcminiuser_> OK who has AS6.1 beta and is feeling brave?
[14:37:07] <megal0maniac> Memememe!
[14:37:23] <abcminiuser_> I have a new LUFA test release
[14:37:32] <abcminiuser_> With some (read: LOTS) of magic
[14:37:41] <abcminiuser_> Uninstall the one you have, lemme upload this...
[14:38:01] <OndraSter_> YAY magic
[14:38:03] <OndraSter_> tell us the tricks!
[14:38:30] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_: Can you wait 5 mins? My PC committed suicide about 5 minutes ago
[14:38:35] <abcminiuser_> Your socks: prepare to have them knocked off
[14:38:35] <abcminiuser_> Ja
[14:38:52] <RikusW> megal0maniac: what are you using for IRC now ?
[14:39:29] <abcminiuser_> http://fourwalledcubicle.com/files/temp/LUFA-TESTING-13.04.22-21.15.54.vsix
[14:40:03] <megal0maniac> RikusW: My router runs IRC. I ssh in from my laptop, desktop, university machine, wherever :)
[14:40:06] <megal0maniac> irssi
[14:41:17] <megal0maniac> Oh you have got to be kidding me. Intel has jumped onto the mouse-controlled-bios bandwagon :/
[14:41:34] * RikusW liked the blue bios better....
[14:42:00] <OndraSter_> haha TOUCHSCREEN EFI BIOS
[14:42:01] <megal0maniac> Me too. I just killed it
[14:42:01] <OndraSter_> fuck that crap
[14:42:11] <RikusW> megal0maniac: doesn't your board have a rescue mode ?
[14:42:25] <megal0maniac> I'm in it. That's how i found out about the bios changes :)
[14:42:57] <nevdull> whatever happened to the good days when your computer got b0rked you just rebooted it and counted the beeps
[14:43:38] <megal0maniac> nevdull: I'm with you on that
[14:45:09] <nevdull> i loved getting on my 14.4k modem xcom kermit etc and ATDT911
[14:46:25] <abcminiuser_> Christ people had better appreciate this
[14:46:46] <abcminiuser_> Two days of reading crazy Microsoft semi-documented standards and fixing up XSLT
[14:46:46] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_: Nearly done
[14:47:01] <megal0maniac> RikusW likes xslt :)
[14:47:14] <RikusW> yep
[14:47:34] <RikusW> its nice to quickly mess with xml
[14:47:59] * RikusW is downloading kde onto mint
[14:48:08] <RikusW> via adsl
[14:48:28] <specing> RikusW: Get a tiling WM
[14:48:45] <tzanger> ew.
[14:48:53] <tzanger> xfce > *
[14:49:03] <abcminiuser_> I ****liked***** XSLT
[14:49:11] <abcminiuser_> Several weeks of it makes you sad however
[14:49:18] <abcminiuser_> Converting Doxygen XML to Docbook
[14:50:16] <Tom_itx> another lufa convert yesterday
[14:50:31] <abcminiuser_> Mmm?
[14:50:51] <Tom_itx> someone here was messin with paul's usb.c
[14:51:02] <Tom_itx> pointed them down the right path
[14:51:15] * specing has been using AwesomeWM for the past year
[14:51:32] <twnqx> nevdull: i actually was considering to implement zmodem for file upload to my AVR ;)
[14:51:43] <RikusW> will have a look at xfce too
[14:51:43] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser_, he rather liked the way it came into studio 6.1
[14:51:55] <specing> using a tiling WM shows you just how badly designed "normal" WMs are...
[14:52:01] <abcminiuser_> Well then he's going to LOVE the new test release
[14:52:02] <twnqx> not really
[14:52:09] <nevdull> twnqx: haha, zmodem memories....
[14:52:17] <RikusW> specing: write your own wm :-P
[14:52:26] <specing> RikusW: For what purpose?
[14:52:30] <twnqx> using a tiling WM shows you convenient it is to stack windows on top of each other if you only need a fraction of them
[14:52:37] <specing> RikusW: AwesomeWM does everything I need it to
[14:53:23] * RikusW wonders how many WMs exist...
[14:53:25] <specing> twnqx: AwesomeWM actually supports floating (but without that header bar nonsense)
[14:53:28] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser_, the real seller was that i may have mentioned live support for it here
[14:53:39] <tzanger> I'm not a fan of tiling WMs
[14:53:45] <twnqx> i tried ion once
[14:53:51] <tzanger> I *want* my shit to overlap sometimes
[14:53:52] <twnqx> i can't get into the concept of tiling
[14:54:08] <tzanger> even though most itmes I have full screen windows on top of each other
[14:54:19] <specing> tzanger: you can do that just fine
[14:54:21] <twnqx> only in windows
[14:54:27] <abcminiuser_> Aww crap
[14:54:30] <abcminiuser_> Did you mention the price?
[14:54:53] <twnqx> a beer per year? :>
[14:55:29] * RikusW overused alt-tab
[14:55:44] <RikusW> my left alt got a hole in it by now :-D
[14:55:49] <twnqx> wtf
[14:55:52] <Steffanx> lol
[14:55:55] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_: Go time!
[14:56:08] <Tom_itx> lil hard on the keypress there
[14:56:14] <RikusW> and there is a dent in space too :)
[14:56:19] <twnqx> i gues that triple screening + 8 virtual desktops on each screen is sufficient for screen space
[14:56:20] <RikusW> right under my thumb
[14:56:28] <twnqx> (i still have tons of overlappting windowS=
[14:56:41] <megal0maniac> This is pathetic. I'm trying recovery mode, but it restarts every time the CD even threatens to spin up
[14:56:50] <twnqx> see
[14:56:56] <twnqx> the cdrom uses up SO MUCH POWER
[14:56:59] <megal0maniac> "THANKS FOR INSTALLING LUFA!!!"
[14:57:04] <twnqx> the PSU caves in, and the mainboard resets
[14:57:06] <Tom_itx> i've worn a few leters off but that's about it
[14:57:22] <nevdull> no luck with removing the battery and shorting a jumper on the motherboard to blank out your bios or ?
[14:57:33] <twnqx> cmos*
[14:57:46] <twnqx> megal0maniac: disable the watchdog :P
[14:57:52] <abcminiuser_> megal0maniac, sweet that part works
[14:58:00] <abcminiuser_> How about the native help install?
[14:58:10] <abcminiuser_> This will stop me from getting emails with "now what?" in it
[14:58:11] <Tom_itx> abcminiuser_ which ver has the secret stuff?
[14:58:41] <abcminiuser_> http://fourwalledcubicle.com/files/temp/LUFA-TESTING-13.04.22-21.15.54.vsix
[14:58:57] <Tom_itx> bonus pack
[14:59:07] <abcminiuser_> It should also prompt to install a native help book, so you don't need an internet connection
[14:59:08] <megal0maniac> nevdull: Tried that, no help at all
[14:59:11] <langoliers> megal0maniac<= that thing fails to make :(
[14:59:22] <langoliers> it is non working state
[14:59:32] <abcminiuser_> F1 lookups on LUFA functions and constants/etc should also work once the native help is installed
[14:59:45] <RikusW> megal0maniac: try copying the bios onto a usb stick
[15:01:15] <megal0maniac> Well spotted RikusW :)
[15:01:58] <megal0maniac> It said somewhere that only Diskette or CD will work. But it did mention USB elsewhere. Flashing now...
[15:02:42] <RikusW> you mean stiffy disk ? argh.. /me don't even want to see those anymore
[15:02:59] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_: Help content installs successfully and is amongst the standard help docs
[15:03:14] <abcminiuser_> Yay
[15:03:21] <abcminiuser_> That was GODDAM painful to get right
[15:03:24] <RikusW> megal0maniac: unbricked yet ?
[15:03:25] <megal0maniac> Prompt comes up and everything works
[15:03:36] <abcminiuser_> There should also be a new LUFA help submenu of Help menu with some links
[15:03:52] <abcminiuser_> Hopefully this will make people happy when it's released soon
[15:04:14] <Tom_itx> iron all the kinks out first
[15:04:36] <megal0maniac> RikusW: It's trying to boot from PXE so I guess so :P
[15:05:41] <megal0maniac> Wasn't seeing my harddrive but the SATA6 ports are disabled by default..?
[15:05:47] <megal0maniac> Oh well. It works now :)
[15:05:54] <RikusW> nice :)
[15:06:05] <RikusW> guess you're relieved ?
[15:06:10] <megal0maniac> abcminiuser_: Yeah, all links are there
[15:06:19] <abcminiuser_> Whee
[15:06:26] <megal0maniac> Everything seems to work. It's done everything it said it would :)
[15:07:17] <megal0maniac> Documentation layout could use some work though. And the index on the left doesn't seem to show everything that you see in the main section
[15:07:36] <abcminiuser_> Yup I'm still trying to get that right
[15:07:54] <abcminiuser_> I'm using a home-grown Doxygen to Docbook XML, and then using a prerelease Docbook to HV1 transform
[15:07:58] <abcminiuser_> So expect kinks :P
[15:12:51] <megal0maniac> Of course. But so far so good :)
[15:21:06] <megal0maniac> Yay! SSD doesn't disappear anymore (so far)
[15:21:41] <megal0maniac> Goodnight, all :)
[16:09:33] <jadew> woot, finished work, time for some fun
[16:15:13] <vsync1> all fun no work makes jadew ...
[17:46:36] <twnqx> are the attiny 13/25 JTAG programmable?
[17:48:49] <OndraSter_> surely no
[17:48:59] <OndraSter_> jtag requires like 4 wires
[17:49:09] <OndraSter_> that is half of the pins :P
[17:49:16] <twnqx> :/
[17:49:16] <OndraSter_> and big die size
[17:49:20] <OndraSter_> to accomodate everything
[17:49:27] <OndraSter_> it has got probably SPI ISP
[17:49:29] <OndraSter_> only
[17:49:32] <OndraSter_> check the datasheet
[17:49:56] <twnqx> i only have jtag a programmer
[17:50:02] <OndraSter_> eh?
[17:50:04] <OndraSter_> which one?
[17:50:06] <twnqx> and some crap homebuilt LPT one
[17:50:15] <twnqx> jtag mk 1
[17:50:24] <OndraSter_> oh
[17:51:03] <Horologium> twnqx, no parallel port?
[17:51:13] <twnqx> LPT = parallel port, yes
[17:52:20] <Horologium> then use a cheap stk200
[17:52:30] <Horologium> which is basically 4 wires from the parallel port to the chip.
[17:52:44] <twnqx> yeah, i have built that... somewhere...
[17:53:06] <Horologium> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.qsl.net/ba1fb/avrisp.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.qsl.net/ba1fb/&h=525&w=588&sz=11&tbnid=A0JOl5XsMNfp7M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=101&zoom=1&usg=__9i2C9MYD3KEZvZvuGUOgxv3wqEE=&docid=1Jxz-W3IONzzcM&sa=X&ei=HLx1UZLNJoSiqQGTxoHgDw&ved=0CDMQ9QEwAA&dur=767
[17:53:09] <twnqx> i think i even have a jtag controller like that
[17:53:29] <Horologium> http://www.qsl.net/ba1fb/avrisp.gif
[17:53:33] <Horologium> there...smaller one.
[17:53:46] <Horologium> that works just fine for attiny45 so should work for attiny25
[17:53:48] <twnqx> found it
[17:54:21] <twnqx> hm, one of the cables got torn off
[17:54:44] <Horologium> so stick some wires in the holes in the parallel port.
[18:06:35] <OndraSter_> ok it seems I have fixed the issue with mouser -- added (and fixed) some cookies
[18:06:43] <OndraSter_> because it kept redirecting me from CZ to IT and from IT to CZ
[18:06:56] <Horologium> hmmm...time to write a cookie remover...call it the cookie monster.
[18:07:30] <OndraSter__> ok it seems I have fixed the issue with mouser -- added (and fixed) some cookies
[18:07:32] <OndraSter__> because it kept redirecting me from CZ to IT and from IT to CZ
[18:07:39] <Horologium> you said that.
[18:07:47] <Horologium> or, OndraSter_ said that
[18:07:47] <OndraSter__> well, I was not sure if it came through
[18:07:49] <OndraSter__> because my IRC dropped
[18:07:50] <Horologium> or smoething like that.
[18:07:53] <OndraSter__> yeah.
[18:07:59] <OndraSter__> now there's two of us
[18:08:02] <OndraSter__> TWO .NET USERS!
[18:08:04] <OndraSter__> muhaha
[18:08:57] <Horologium> microsoft .not framework.
[21:34:34] <langoliers> h
[21:35:14] <Tom_itx> i
[22:06:34] <langoliers> https://cccgoe.de/wiki/LED_Flower < i like this partially, it is like me playing around 10 years ago :)
[22:08:26] <langoliers> hehe and the round board ^^