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[07:57:18] <RikusW> http://ssj3gohan.tweakblogs.net/blog/8217/fluffy2-59-watt-high-end-desktop-computer.html
[08:00:26] <Steffanx> Ha mr stumble upon!
[08:01:20] <Steffanx> He has more interesting blogs btw, not sure if they're also in english RikusW
[08:01:58] <Steffanx> It's amazing what he does. I'm not sure if I would modify a motherboard like that
[08:02:07] <Steffanx> *would be able
[08:02:47] <RikusW> heh
[08:03:02] <RikusW> I'd rather not mod a brand new MB....
[08:03:12] <RikusW> old PII's sure
[08:03:16] <RikusW> even P3 and P4
[08:03:23] <RikusW> thats old by now ;)
[08:03:34] <theBear> interesting... i'm sure i would modify them like t hat
[08:03:58] <theBear> he's gone half a step beyond what i already do
[08:04:20] <Steffanx> heeh theBear
[08:05:10] <RikusW> voltmods shouldn't be too difficult if you have the chip datasheet
[08:05:22] <RikusW> and know what you're doing...
[08:05:25] <theBear> not at all, the idea of unifying regs is good tho
[08:05:50] <theBear> and component by component experimenting on how low you can go
[08:06:23] <Steffanx> He also won some prices with his project. Pretty nice :)
[08:06:57] <Steffanx> *projects
[08:07:23] <RikusW> I think I should be able to understand his Dutch blog, mostly anyways
[08:08:39] <RikusW> he should design an efficient motherboard.
[08:09:29] <theBear> it's childs play for any real mobo designer to do that, he should just get more press so they start doing it... not like average draws and even cpu usage hasn't gone down radically over the last few years since we hit the speed wall
[08:10:21] <theBear> i don't care about dolphins and trees and stuff, but i do care about 25c/kwh power bills
[08:10:42] <Steffanx> Yeah, more beer for theBear :P
[08:11:02] <theBear> heh, sad state of affairs, at this stage it means SOME beer for theBear :(
[08:11:13] <theBear> it's hardly worth living anymore, definately not worth getting out of bed
[08:11:22] <Steffanx> hmpf
[08:11:30] <Steffanx> Now you sound like flyback, please stop that
[08:11:30] <theBear> that's how i feel :(
[08:11:44] <theBear> sorry, when you put it like that, i can appreciate how you feel
[08:12:13] <theBear> tho to be fair, there's no empty threats, just statements of fact :)
[08:12:15] <Steffanx> ( don't take me TOO serious )
[08:12:44] <theBear> heh, i try not to, but if you can't see yourself how other see you, you're bound to act like a self indulgent ass
[08:14:50] <GuShH> theBear: if it makes you feel any better, I just live to pay fucking bills, it's not good.
[08:15:51] <theBear> well technically that's all i live for, well, that and not paying them, but even in my misery i know i'm more than that
[08:16:16] <Steffanx> You're both from aussieland not?
[08:16:22] <theBear> doesn't really matter, i get given money, i give it away, it's hihilistic
[08:16:25] <theBear> damned finger
[08:16:27] <theBear> nihilistic
[08:16:34] <GuShH> nobody gives me money for free :(
[08:16:45] <Steffanx> I'll paypal you 0.01$
[08:16:53] <Steffanx> Makes that feel you happy?
[08:17:11] <theBear> pfft, i might be under the povity line, but i aint signing up with those capitalist pig dogs
[08:17:17] <theBear> poverty
[08:17:23] <theBear> hot damn, my brain don't work
[08:17:40] <jadew> what capitalist pig dogs?
[08:17:49] <theBear> paypal, they're not to be trusted
[08:17:56] <jadew> ah, I love paypal
[08:17:58] <RikusW> its a nice 21.4C and 51%RH here :)
[08:17:59] <GuShH> makes that feel you happy? what kind of friggin yoda are you
[08:18:05] <theBear> obviously, you believe the hype
[08:18:09] <jadew> RikusW, dht11?
[08:18:19] <RikusW> dht11 ?
[08:18:25] <jadew> the sensor
[08:18:27] * GuShH ponders payjew.com
[08:18:39] <theBear> wtf is this channel so damned racist ?
[08:18:49] <GuShH> how is that racist?
[08:18:56] <GuShH> jew = religion
[08:19:01] <RikusW> its a major tech device
[08:19:01] <theBear> i dunno, ask one of the people that takes offence at it
[08:19:08] <jadew> theBear, it's not the hype, I just find it easier to trust one very well known entity than to trust 1000 random ones
[08:19:12] <GuShH> if they do, they're c***
[08:19:15] <theBear> sigh, then what's the word ? prejudiced ? that'll do
[08:19:26] <GuShH> dude...
[08:19:32] <GuShH> jews love to play the part.
[08:19:43] <theBear> that hardly matters
[08:19:44] <GuShH> they've got their own youtube
[08:19:45] <GuShH> their own dating site/s
[08:19:52] <GuShH> they are the fucking racists
[08:20:05] <theBear> you mean prejudiced
[08:20:10] <jadew> are we talking about the strong connection between jews and money?
[08:20:24] <GuShH> that was the joke
[08:20:28] <theBear> no ! we're talking about the strong connection between this channel and prejudice in general
[08:20:29] <GuShH> hence payjew.com
[08:20:32] <GuShH> WHICH I BET EXISTS
[08:20:45] <GuShH> parked.
[08:20:50] <GuShH> I like the "hot favorites"
[08:20:50] <jadew> heh
[08:20:58] <jadew> there's no prejudice here
[08:21:04] <GuShH> gay jewish single, free gay teen chat rooms, jewish gay dating
[08:21:08] <GuShH> sounds like flyback's search history
[08:21:10] <GuShH> RIMSHOT
[08:21:28] <GuShH> what's a tennessee gay?
[08:21:42] <GuShH> or a gay catholic, why are these terms even there!!!!
[08:21:46] * GuShH panics
[08:21:51] <theBear> hehe, just 'cos that's funny, doesn't mean you should abuse anyone for association to a group, i don't care if they're gay niggers or child-lovers
[08:21:55] <GuShH> http://www.payjew.com/ << gay bible
[08:22:05] <GuShH> haha
[08:22:11] <GuShH> what the hell man
[08:22:12] <theBear> see, that was funny 'cos it was an individual
[08:22:38] <GuShH> why is gay associated with that domain?
[08:22:44] <GuShH> it's beyond me.
[08:22:56] <GuShH> see, they're the racists!
[08:23:11] <Steffanx> GuShH GuShH ...
[08:23:18] <GuShH> what?
[08:23:25] <Steffanx> That
[08:23:28] <GuShH> I didn't park that domain to begin with.
[08:23:32] <Steffanx> Your pointless ranting :)
[08:23:43] <GuShH> It's not pointless...
[08:23:46] <Steffanx> Sure
[08:23:51] <theBear> but your obsession with it embarasses you
[08:23:52] <jadew> in my country the word jew rarely comes up, because we really don't care and the jews don't try to make a point out of being a jew, like it happens in other countries
[08:23:53] <GuShH> it's pointless to park such domains
[08:24:12] <theBear> it's never pointless to park a domain, they're all wanted sooner or later
[08:24:20] <GuShH> theBear: companies parking domains from a shitty island in the middle of nowhere should be shot.
[08:24:24] <theBear> then hedge your bets by getting a few hundred
[08:24:38] <RikusW> parking should be illegal...
[08:24:46] <GuShH> it should be regulated
[08:24:51] <GuShH> but that won't give 'em moneis
[08:24:57] <theBear> it annoys me less than casual prejudice
[08:25:04] <GuShH> someone stole gushh.com, then offered it to me
[08:25:08] <GuShH> laughed my ass off
[08:25:13] <GuShH> made them pay several years worth
[08:25:25] <GuShH> then they gave up, could've got it.. didn't care.
[08:25:43] <GuShH> as a sidenote: don't whois unless you are willing to get it ASAP
[08:25:51] <theBear> everyone knows that
[08:26:04] <theBear> moreso online whois or autoredirect to servers you don'
[08:26:05] <theBear> t trust
[08:26:06] <GuShH> theBear: I'ma wipe my arse with your tail if you play the smart card!
[08:26:08] <jadew> GuShH, yeah
[08:26:25] <GuShH> although bears have short tails
[08:26:25] <theBear> fuck smart cards !@ i'm tired of seeing people abused everytime i come in this channel recently
[08:26:33] <GuShH> who got abused?
[08:26:52] <theBear> blacks of african descent and the jewish most recently
[08:27:09] <GuShH> meh, you should've met Hitler
[08:27:17] <GuShH> he redefined those words
[08:27:24] <theBear> i woulda liked him in a lot of ways
[08:27:28] <theBear> specially earlier on
[08:27:45] <GuShH> I wonder if it weren't for his step dad ...
[08:27:54] <GuShH> maybe none of it would've happened later on.
[08:28:03] <GuShH> also that art teacher.
[08:28:07] <GuShH> and the doctor.
[08:28:07] <jadew> well, he obviously was a likable person, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten the support to start doing what he did
[08:28:19] <theBear> it's irrelevant, i play the situation, that situation aint likely to happen in front of me again
[08:28:45] <GuShH> what if I turn jewish?
[08:28:46] <theBear> it's not strictly likeable to lead a people, look at cult leaders, they're charismatic, but not often likable
[08:28:49] <GuShH> I'll get to say jew then
[08:28:59] <theBear> you can say it now
[08:29:11] <GuShH> but then they wouldn't take offense if I'm "one of them"
[08:29:28] <theBear> they never take offence when i say it, but i don't say it like you
[08:30:10] <jadew> I don't see what's wrong with calling a jew... a jew
[08:30:12] <GuShH> they're jews, jewish people. I wasn't using it as a derogative term
[08:30:15] <GuShH> http://www.bestjewishvideos.com/
[08:30:33] <GuShH> with their logic, bestnonjewishvideos.com should also exist
[08:30:39] <jadew> unless it has become an insult, like my nationality
[08:30:40] <theBear> no, you were using the sentences attached to it derogitively
[08:30:52] <GuShH> my god look at that nose
[08:30:53] <GuShH> holy shit
[08:31:08] <theBear> it's like a certain word starting with n, it only causes offence when some people use it in some ways
[08:31:08] <GuShH> he got the free air memo early on
[08:31:32] <GuShH> for me the N word means low life scum, not black
[08:32:22] <theBear> yeah, see that usage hasn't yet become common outside of a few all black situations
[08:32:24] <GuShH> what about a word in between J and N
[08:32:37] <theBear> feel free to use it, but i aint gonna stop your ass getting kicked
[08:32:45] <GuShH> K, something with K... I want a special word nobody knows about!
[08:33:19] <theBear> kickass !
[08:33:26] <theBear> use positive words
[08:33:29] <GuShH> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kigger
[08:33:32] <GuShH> wat
[08:33:36] <theBear> it's even more effective in insults
[08:33:43] * GuShH facepalms
[08:34:06] <theBear> and those are inside out oreos
[08:34:07] <GuShH> kigger, chocolate twinkie
[08:34:09] <GuShH> hahaha
[08:34:21] <theBear> i know a guy with a numberplate that says twink
[08:34:37] <theBear> he's a cool guy, don't think i'll ever do him in the ass tho, but ya never know
[08:34:48] <jadew> what'a twink?
[08:34:57] <GuShH> oh god
[08:35:01] <GuShH> damn you urbandictionary
[08:35:08] <theBear> heh, generally i'd say ask the urban dictionary, but lets say it's a little pretty boy
[08:35:12] <theBear> and by boy i mean man of age
[08:35:14] <GuShH> I just got to read about a gay twinkie
[08:35:34] <GuShH> it involved poop and other fluids.... sigh
[08:35:57] * GuShH realizes nobody cares to regulate that site
[08:35:59] <jadew> when I got my driver license there was this old guy changing his license plates, they spelled GAY
[08:36:06] <jadew> and they are allocated in random order for us
[08:36:09] <GuShH> I've seen plenty of those
[08:36:17] <GuShH> random? you sure?
[08:36:26] <jadew> yep, the guy probably didn't even know what it meant
[08:36:28] <GuShH> here the 3 letters are in order
[08:36:34] <jadew> someone probably told him
[08:36:35] <GuShH> starting with A would be old cars
[08:36:39] <jadew> well, yeah
[08:36:49] <jadew> in order but you normally get some garbage that makes no sense
[08:36:50] <GuShH> AAA 001, wonder who's got that
[08:36:56] <GuShH> or if it's 000
[08:37:05] <jadew> we don't have 000
[08:37:11] <GuShH> I've also seen JEW (can't recall the numbers)
[08:37:19] <jadew> starts with 01 and ends at 999
[08:37:26] <GuShH> Never a GUS but I've seen my initials
[08:37:45] <GuShH> trailers use the same plate but with 101 in front
[08:37:50] <GuShH> not sure what 101 actually means...
[08:38:00] <theBear> i think it might mean trailer
[08:38:02] <jadew> it means 5
[08:38:06] <GuShH> it's not even issued by anybody you gotta buy it or make it
[08:38:10] * GuShH slaps jadew
[08:38:19] <theBear> i'd break someone out of jail and make them make it for me
[08:38:22] <GuShH> theBear: yes, but from which ass was the 101 pulled out from? :p
[08:38:39] <GuShH> bah the float switch died again
[08:38:41] <GuShH> no water
[08:38:52] <GuShH> shit I put up with! I replaced it not long ago!
[08:39:14] <theBear> least you don't gotta climb a rickety old tank stand and unstick it manually
[08:39:27] <GuShH> actually it's a 3 storey tower
[08:39:46] <GuShH> it's not stuck, there's probably corrosion
[08:39:53] <GuShH> "silver contacts" my ass.
[08:40:14] <theBear> bet it's not as rickety as the one i used to climb... damned overhang to get on the top and half the time the rotted timber breaks off the bolts while yer trying to get up
[08:40:34] <GuShH> I need to build my own switch
[08:40:37] <theBear> but it was only 2 stories
[08:40:44] <GuShH> none of the commercial crap sold here works at all
[08:40:57] <GuShH> well up top it would make it 4
[08:41:15] <GuShH> I don't go up without my harness
[08:41:25] <theBear> sissy ! anyone would think you don't wanna die
[08:41:33] <GuShH> not like that I don't
[08:41:49] <theBear> pfft, a harness aint gonna help that goal
[08:42:01] <GuShH> I'd rather die in a top model with a kilo of cocaine in me, even though I don't even know what cocaine feels like.
[08:42:05] <theBear> try rickety tallascopes too
[08:42:12] <theBear> cocaine feels like novocaine
[08:42:13] <GuShH> It's just gotta be better than falling up high
[08:42:32] <GuShH> I don't think I've had novocaine sir.
[08:42:44] <theBear> never been to a dentist ?
[08:42:56] <GuShH> they can give you all sorts of crap, not sure it's novocaine though
[08:43:05] <GuShH> never had any major done
[08:43:08] <theBear> whatever they inject in your face, it feels like that
[08:43:11] <GuShH> that's probably why I never got the good stuff?
[08:43:22] <theBear> you only need a tooth pulled for 'the good stuff'
[08:43:28] <GuShH> I actually need to go to the dentist soon...
[08:43:33] <GuShH> never had one pulled.
[08:43:36] <jadew> I just came from the dentist
[08:43:40] * GuShH shivers
[08:43:50] <GuShH> It's funny, I don't fear their tools... I fear them.
[08:43:54] <theBear> my dentist Dean Martin is mr awesome !
[08:44:11] <GuShH> I could scare the shit out of a dentist with my chainsaw, it's way more scarey than their little air drill
[08:44:39] <GuShH> are they 30k or higher rev?
[08:44:50] <GuShH> I remember reading up to 100.000 rpm on some
[08:44:55] <theBear> can't be higher, they don't sound higher
[08:45:11] <GuShH> I like their air compressors
[08:45:33] <GuShH> would be ideal for painting, dry air no oil. I need to get some filters for mine
[08:45:35] <jadew> GuShH, the only shitty part is when they stick a neddle in your face
[08:45:47] <theBear> ahh, it aint so bad
[08:46:14] <jadew> my dentist is great tho
[08:46:17] <theBear> just make sure you get one with strong arms... if they cant snap a tooth with their own strength they try to lever all your other teeth out
[08:46:18] <jadew> hot chick
[08:46:27] <theBear> how hot ?
[08:46:34] <jadew> hot
[08:46:38] <theBear> how hot ?
[08:47:00] <jadew> hot enough that I'm going there almost for pleasure
[08:47:16] <theBear> heh, that is irrelevant to hotness, that means you aint trying hard enough
[08:47:43] <GuShH> I couldn't go to a hot chick dentist
[08:47:45] <GuShH> EVER
[08:47:54] <theBear> now YOU sound like flyback :)
[08:47:58] <GuShH> no...
[08:48:03] <jadew> it's cool, I prefer female doctors for everything
[08:48:06] <GuShH> I can't mix health with sex
[08:48:25] <GuShH> as in, I don't want that kind of thoughts while someone's got a drill up my pie hole
[08:48:25] <theBear> heh, you should wash more carefully
[08:48:31] <GuShH> -_-
[08:48:43] <GuShH> jadew: wankah
[08:48:50] <theBear> i had male and female doctors finger my ass in the same day.... meh
[08:48:55] <GuShH> I'd like to see a female mechanic, just wrestle some nuts
[08:48:56] <jadew> lol
[08:48:56] <GuShH> mhhh
[08:49:01] <GuShH> not that I'd need a mechanic...
[08:49:18] <GuShH> maybe play with her air impact wrench
[08:49:28] * GuShH blinks
[08:51:00] <jadew> when you think of a female mechanic you think of this:
http://www.colourbox.com/preview/2915762-706482-nice-woman-mechanic-repair-broken-red-car.jpg
[08:51:06] <jadew> or this:
http://www.wild-desires.net/images/mechanic%20costume%209630.JPG
[08:51:59] <jadew> I wanted to say "but they look like this:" but it looks google indexes only hot female mechanics
[08:52:30] <MrMobius> jadew, meh, neither of those are that hot
[08:52:47] <jadew> yeah right
[08:53:05] <jadew> what's hot then?
[08:54:47] <theBear> 2nd one is a bit rough, first one is just dumb
[08:54:53] <theBear> but kinda hot
[08:55:07] <Steffanx> Heh, theBear can see when someone is dumb
[08:55:10] <MrMobius> kinda hot
[08:55:20] <jadew> they're both 10 on Dick's scale
[08:55:32] <MrMobius> the first one would be good if you were pretty drunk
[08:55:35] <theBear> it shows in the face, just like being grumpy most of the time shows... facial expressions influence the face over time
[08:56:00] <theBear> who the fuck is dick ? you better not being talking about stanley
[08:56:11] <theBear> stupid brain can't english today
[08:57:20] <Steffanx> Who cares. My brain sucks at it all the time
[08:57:33] <theBear> yeah, but you probly good at some other language, i butcher all of them :)
[08:57:52] <jadew> damn it, I didn't write down who signed who on my 54 seats list
[08:57:57] <jadew> I'm sure you had an entry as well
[08:57:59] <theBear> tho i like to think i can butcher my native one as well as any other
[08:58:13] <theBear> wtf is a 54 seats list ?
[08:58:16] <theBear> you crazy mang
[08:58:51] <jadew> a few years back I came up with the idea of a spaceship, filled with the users of "that" channel + 54 chicks
[08:58:54] <jadew> two for each :D
[08:59:07] <theBear> "What
[08:59:10] <theBear> "what" channel ?
[08:59:19] <jadew> #php on undernet
[08:59:24] <theBear> 54 virgins ? what are you, some religious fanatic ?
[08:59:30] <theBear> wtf ? you gotta lay off the crack
[08:59:40] <theBear> you don't wanna be stuck on a spaceship with the juu
[08:59:41] <jadew> lol, don't make me dig up the logs
[09:00:07] <jadew> I think he said he wants the olsen twins
[09:00:29] <theBear> if me and the jew were there, he wouldn't live real long... i like the guy, but i don't wanna live with him again
[09:00:49] <theBear> and for those of you who don't know, used here jew is short for 'juu
[09:01:16] <jadew> heh, I thought you guys had a fun time
[09:01:37] <jadew> what's he up to anyway? still stuck in that job?
[09:01:42] <theBear> i didn't say we didn't, just that'd i'd kill him if i was put in a big brother situation
[09:01:56] <theBear> fuck knows, hard to get info out of him on the rare occasion he pops up
[09:02:34] <theBear> i am dangerously crazy you know ? it's medically confirmed
[09:02:43] <jadew> maybe he can set you up with a job
[09:02:54] <theBear> maybe i can't walk and therefore can't work
[09:02:56] <jadew> wasn't he bragging that he's in charge or some shit like that?
[09:03:04] <jadew> well, you can code
[09:03:13] <theBear> yeah, and he was gonna buy a wrex, but do you see either happening ?
[09:03:16] <jadew> that's something you can do from home
[09:03:22] <theBear> you can't code when you in intense pain
[09:03:24] <theBear> trust me
[09:03:32] <jadew> ah, that's true
[09:04:44] <theBear> he's living in the fucking ghetto end of the trainlines... well, 3/4 ends are ghetto, but he's at the worst one (metro trains in this state are based on a X track structure)
[09:05:10] <jadew> lol
[09:05:36] <theBear> i want a icecream
[09:05:55] <jadew> isn't that "an icecream"?
[09:06:07] <theBear> technically yes, but that changes nothing !
[09:06:14] <GuShH> jadew: nobody likes a smartass!
[09:06:24] <GuShH> ok switch is set to manual...
[09:06:26] <jadew> GuShH, not being a smartass, not a native english speaker so I have to ask
[09:06:27] <theBear> i do, it's a grudging respect, but i can't help it
[09:06:34] <GuShH> it is AN
[09:06:42] <GuShH> hint: aeiou
[09:06:51] <theBear> jadew, it's one of the finer points... you done well
[09:06:59] <jadew> GuShH, good to know there's a rule for it
[09:07:02] <GuShH> you've done well.
[09:07:05] <GuShH> haw haw
[09:07:41] <jadew> can't wait for my new meter
[09:08:02] <GuShH> holy shit with alarm and license plates that fz16 gets way too expensive when it's 0KM
[09:08:22] <GuShH> and that includes no gear.
[09:08:24] <theBear> pfft ! motorbike alarm, that's a good one
[09:08:36] <GuShH> I'ma give you a good reason why you need one
[09:08:43] <GuShH> insurance fees are lowered if you have an alarm
[09:08:44] <theBear> no you aren't
[09:08:49] <theBear> insurance ? pffft !
[09:08:51] <GuShH> I JUST DID
[09:08:55] <theBear> that's for rich people
[09:08:56] <GuShH> you can't drive without insurance
[09:09:00] <GuShH> it's illegal
[09:09:02] <GuShH> not up to me
[09:09:06] <theBear> oh, 3rd party doesn't cahnge here
[09:09:20] <theBear> it's based on the vehicle MODEL and where you live
[09:09:32] <theBear> so umm, gimme a good reason
[09:09:53] <GuShH> I just did. the fees are lowered, crime is not small either.
[09:10:00] <GuShH> they do ask you for the alarm keyfobs
[09:10:06] <GuShH> but you can always give 'em a fake one
[09:10:10] <theBear> the fees aren't lowered here, and alarms on bikes don't make much difference to crime
[09:10:13] <GuShH> and a few meters up front the engine stalls
[09:11:01] <GuShH> theBear: but if I lived over there I would probably go for a bigger engine
[09:11:15] <theBear> you can't go that big, limit is maybe 1200
[09:11:18] <GuShH> I bet I could get a 250 ninja or something better with the same money
[09:11:24] <theBear> probly
[09:11:37] <GuShH> aside from the hayabusa what else reaches 1200???
[09:11:48] <GuShH> and there's no fucking way I could afford one of those.
[09:11:52] <theBear> harley, umm, sure there's one or two others
[09:11:54] <GuShH> I couldn't even handle the insurance on one
[09:12:21] <GuShH> and with the driving license limitations you can't even drive it legally
[09:12:27] <GuShH> they've misinterpreted the law
[09:12:30] <theBear> i'm talking about legal to drive
[09:12:44] <GuShH> you gotta have 2 years experience in up to 150cc, then another 2 years for up to 300cc, etc.
[09:12:57] <GuShH> theBear: legal from the point of view of having all the right papers, licenses, etc.
[09:13:04] <GuShH> the hayabusa is street legal
[09:13:06] <theBear> if you wanna go illegal there's a harley drag bike you can buy from stores that's WAY bigger, 1800 from memory, but that migth be off
[09:13:12] <GuShH> even though it's a crotch rocket designed to kill
[09:13:15] <theBear> yeah, legal from that p.o.v.
[09:13:40] <theBear> here 250cc and some power/weight is the limit for learner plates, after that you go to full legal limit
[09:13:51] <GuShH> if I ever get diagnosed with some bad bad shit I'll sell everything and if that won't get me enough cash, I'll just steal one of those
[09:14:01] <GuShH> then hit WOT until I get to point B or die in the process
[09:14:17] <GuShH> hayaboooooya
[09:14:22] <GuShH> splat
[09:14:48] <GuShH> theBear: in some places they want to force you up to 50cc for your first license
[09:14:52] <GuShH> ....
[09:15:02] <theBear> yeah, well i don't live in some places
[09:15:03] <GuShH> for a solid one or two years
[09:15:09] <GuShH> it's ridiculous
[09:15:23] <GuShH> whoever makes and passes those laws shouldn't have a say about these things
[09:15:33] <GuShH> they don't even know what 50cc implies for a 100 kilogram grown ass man
[09:15:51] <GuShH> you are going to cause more accidents than solve them with your "safety" bullshit
[09:15:56] <GuShH> it's all designed to take more money from people
[09:15:59] <GuShH> it's not for safety....
[09:16:02] <theBear> you don't have to ride while you wait for your license to get useful
[09:16:13] <GuShH> why do you have to waste 2 years of your life?
[09:16:20] <GuShH> or, about 6-8 if you wanted a hayabusa
[09:16:26] <GuShH> it's bullshit
[09:16:28] <theBear> it is for safety, the studies are based on people getting the license within a year or two of being old enough to get one
[09:16:37] <GuShH> it's bullshit
[09:16:55] <GuShH> a fat ass dude on a 50cc will need 3 blocks to get up to speed, at that point he caused several accidents
[09:16:57] <theBear> until a few months ago i couldn't drive a car legally from 12-5am or with more than 2 passengers
[09:17:01] <GuShH> let alone braking...
[09:17:04] <theBear> but i don't complain
[09:17:20] <GuShH> already sent a lawyerish email to their offices
[09:17:25] <GuShH> and if that's ignored.... well, plan b.
[09:18:05] <GuShH> even if I get 150cc category that's borderline dangerous for me.
[09:18:17] <GuShH> because most if not all 150cc bikes are not meant for highway use.
[09:18:21] <GuShH> just regular city driving
[09:18:47] <GuShH> you see where I'm going with the safety aspect being bullshit?
[09:18:51] <theBear> you gotta cheer up, you gettin me down this month
[09:19:03] <GuShH> I can't cheer up
[09:19:08] <GuShH> it all sucks
[09:19:13] <theBear> i saw where you were going before you started, doesn't mean i wanna hear it
[09:19:18] <theBear> i also see where the rules come from
[09:19:27] <GuShH> politicians wanting more money
[09:19:33] <theBear> i also don't agree with democracy or capitalism
[09:19:46] <theBear> see, if you believe that, you're stupider than they are
[09:19:59] <GuShH> they're all a bunch of dipshits
[09:20:07] <GuShH> the laws here all suck
[09:20:34] <GuShH> they're all tailored so lawyers can shove an arm up your arse.
[09:21:09] <GuShH> but then you've got the other extreme..... US
[09:21:20] <GuShH> you see fat dudes with AR15s walking down the street, what the fuck?
[09:21:31] <theBear> it's the same you fool, have a drink, take some smack, do whatever it takes, cheer the fuck up !
[09:21:31] <GuShH> "oh I'm just exercising my rights"
[09:21:53] <GuShH> how about you EXERCISE your body for a change
[09:21:59] <GuShH> you fat fuck rambo wannabe
[09:22:04] * GuShH takes a deep breath
[09:22:27] <GuShH> theBear: no booze, no drugs... can't be happy
[09:22:44] <GuShH> it's like soviet gushhia
[09:22:50] <theBear> get booze, get drugs, be a fucking grownup instead, i don't care ! just cos i'm miserable doesn't make me act like it
[09:23:25] <GuShH> I'm miserable in more ways than you can imagine! thanks to this country
[09:23:51] <theBear> don't assume things you can't possibly be right about, and even if you were right, it would be irrelevant
[09:24:29] <jadew> GuShH, where do you live?
[09:24:38] <GuShH> sent out several CVs all morning, but nobody needs an all in wonder fuck, they just want drones.
[09:24:45] <GuShH> Argentina
[09:24:55] <jadew> oh yeah, heard it sucks
[09:25:24] <GuShH> I even looked at schools, for their IT positions. You know what, I found several spelling mistakes on their site
[09:25:29] <GuShH> what kind of education do THEY have
[09:25:35] <GuShH> damn it.
[09:25:50] <GuShH> it's joker land.
[09:25:50] <Steffanx> Poor you
[09:26:08] <theBear> you sound like a bitter spoiled fuck ! you never visited a school ? teachers aren't smart or they would have real jobs !
[09:26:11] <GuShH> Steffanx: go piss on your parent's income!!
[09:26:38] <Steffanx> You can do that for me.. man i don't do shit myself
[09:26:48] <GuShH> theBear: it's supposed to be one of those expensive high up bullshit schools.
[09:26:57] <theBear> your point ?
[09:27:14] <GuShH> they should at least know how to write their marketing crap on their own site
[09:27:30] <theBear> let me repeat, if they were smart, they would have real jobs !
[09:27:35] <GuShH> anyway it's 10-15 blocks from here, hence why the interest.
[09:27:57] <GuShH> anything nearby is a plus
[09:28:09] <megal0maniac> GuShH: You should try and get a job here :)
[09:28:12] <jadew> I like to think there are teachers who do it because they like teaching, altho they are very successful in their fields
[09:28:15] <GuShH> define here
[09:28:24] <megal0maniac> South Africa
[09:28:36] <GuShH> I ain't got no machete, so how would that work?
[09:28:48] <jadew> lol
[09:28:55] <theBear> here we go with the prejudice again
[09:29:16] <jadew> as far as I know south africa is pretty decent
[09:29:17] <megal0maniac> South Africa, not darkest Africa :P
[09:29:27] <GuShH> machete! machete! machete!
[09:29:37] <theBear> megal0maniac, south africa is a dangerous place for a bigot <biggrin>
[09:30:16] * GuShH chops theBear up
[09:30:24] <megal0maniac> It isn't actually all that bad. But, the country has racial quotas on pretty much any position where there's government involvement
[09:30:54] <GuShH> well, it's a private institution how would the grubmint be involved?
[09:31:02] <theBear> you try saying that to my face, see if you ever walk again
[09:31:12] <megal0maniac> GuShH: Also it's in another country, so...
[09:31:20] <megal0maniac> theBear will smash you up with a bottle :P
[09:31:31] <jadew> megal0maniac, what do you mean by racial quotas?
[09:31:39] <theBear> only if i already holding one... i'm very effective with by bare hands
[09:31:42] <GuShH> theBear: I would but I can't talk while I use my machete!
[09:31:54] <megal0maniac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Economic_Empowerment
[09:32:40] <jadew> so the government is racist?
[09:32:50] <GuShH> isn't that new!
[09:33:03] <megal0maniac> Ours is a bit more open about it, though.
[09:33:31] <GuShH> I think theBear doesn't like the depressed me
[09:33:44] <megal0maniac> GuShH: You should get a job then
[09:33:54] <jadew> "After the transition of Apartheid in 1994, it was decided by the government of the African National Congress that direct intervention in the redistribution of assets and opportunities was needed to resolve the economic disparities created by Apartheid policies which had favoured white business owners. BEE intended to transform the economy to be representative of the demographics, specifically race demographics of the country. BEE was defined in the 2001 Commissi
[09:33:57] <GuShH> Oh we've got a comedian here
[09:34:01] <jadew> to be honest, that sound decent and normal
[09:34:59] <GuShH> megal0maniac: you can have a great job and still be depressed though
[09:35:18] <jadew> I'm there
[09:35:25] <GuShH> My problem is with posers.
[09:35:25] <jadew> well, not right now, but it happens sometimes
[09:35:51] <megal0maniac> jadew: Because it wouldn't be permissable if it didn't /sound/ good. I was 2 years old when Apartheid ended. Yet I still have very little chance of getting certain bursaries because they need to meet a racial quota (80% non white or something)
[09:36:13] <megal0maniac> As a white south african, my marks need to be higher to get into university
[09:36:30] <theBear> i'd kick the shit out of the depressed you if i saw you in the street
[09:36:59] <theBear> and the last thing you want is to die in a gutter just cos yer feel like indulging yerself
[09:38:03] <theBear> holy crap ! you're err, 19 ?
[09:38:32] <jadew> now that's a nice age
[09:38:40] <megal0maniac> theBear: 21 on Saturday
[09:38:46] <jadew> still nice
[09:38:49] <megal0maniac> Did some other stuff for two years :)
[09:38:54] <theBear> hmmmm... jade has shitty links
[09:39:06] <jadew> what links?
[09:39:12] <theBear> 1994
[09:39:32] <jadew> what?
[09:39:47] <theBear> enjoy every moment of it ... one day your life might turn to shit thru no fault of your own, and at that point, you just better hope you enjoyed what happened beforehand
[09:39:58] <theBear> just go up 7 minutes jade, ffs !\
[09:40:19] <jadew> ah
[09:40:21] <jadew> right
[09:40:24] <theBear> oh wait, 2 years old
[09:40:28] <jadew> 1992
[09:40:29] <theBear> your data is acceptable
[09:40:31] <jadew> so yeah, 21
[09:40:36] <theBear> hehe
[09:42:59] <jadew> GuShH, I gave up on the idea of getting the uni-t meter, I got a brymen one, the price difference wasn't that big in my country
[09:43:28] <theBear> i still like sinometer mid-low-price range !
[09:43:49] <GuShH> what the hell i brymen
[09:43:50] <jadew> I don't know them
[09:44:02] <theBear> they are rebranded by everyone, you seen one
[09:44:09] <jadew> brymen apparently is like HTC for the mobile phones
[09:44:12] <jadew> yeah
[09:44:14] <theBear> mid-low up to mid-high pricerange look a lot like flueks
[09:44:23] <jadew> extech stuff is brymen
[09:44:24] <GuShH> oh so complete utter shit?
[09:44:31] <theBear> nah, sinometer is like htc pre '08 or so, EVERYONE uses them, but never their own brandname
[09:44:33] <jadew> nah, apparently they're quite good
[09:44:50] <GuShH> says a bunch of retards at the dave site?
[09:44:52] <jadew> saw a review comparing the one I order with a fluke 227 or something like that and they were on par
[09:44:58] <jadew> in other cases the brymen was even better
[09:45:01] <GuShH> see I'm always right...
[09:45:02] <theBear> i stopped using an htc 2002 model just a couple years ago last month, it fell over 100 stories during the time i used it, some of that in large chunks....
[09:45:08] <GuShH> cottonheads
[09:45:12] <jadew> GuShH, it was the mrjlton review :)
[09:45:18] <theBear> wtf ? are you danfrederiksen now ? you may as well just kill yourself
[09:45:20] <GuShH> the who?
[09:45:54] <theBear> think very hard about what i just said
[09:46:01] <jadew> theBear, yeah, HTCs are great and they got known also because lots of companies were rebranding them
[09:46:07] <GuShH> dan... no but I can act like him, let's see a come back a-la-dan
[09:46:10] <GuShH> theBear: once I start calling myself a bear I'll go ahead and do that!
[09:46:24] <jadew> GuShH: sinometer
[09:46:28] <theBear> just not making sense doesn't qualify you as him
[09:46:33] <jadew> GuShH:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-11wwuUPCw
[09:46:35] <jadew> YouTube: Multimeter review / buyers guide / comparison: Brymen TBM867 vs Fluke 87-V
[09:46:46] <GuShH> no thanks
[09:46:59] <GuShH> I don't need a youtube video to buy equipment
[09:47:17] <jadew> it's a good way to get more info on something you want to buy
[09:47:26] <GuShH> and 87-V is no fucking industry standard these days, it's just an old fart's whim.
[09:47:33] <jadew> it is
[09:47:35] <theBear> yeah, that video has at least a couple sinometers
[09:47:41] <jadew> it's not comparing it to the 87-v
[09:47:46] <GuShH> VS
[09:48:15] <GuShH> oh so you're watching videos now theBear!
[09:48:18] <GuShH> pfffft
[09:48:24] <theBear> only for people who deserve it
[09:48:32] <GuShH> so, dave followers
[09:48:34] <theBear> i'm very fond of sinometer, and advocate them as much as possible
[09:48:47] <DanFrederiksen> theBear, calm down
[09:48:57] <GuShH> he just said brymen wasn't sinometer though
[09:48:59] <theBear> no, people that earned my respect over many years and not acted like asses during that time
[09:49:00] <jadew> theBear, their site isn't loading that well
[09:49:11] * GuShH eyerolls
[09:50:15] <GuShH> angrybears
[09:50:36] <GuShH> this new version comes with shit-in-the-woods-bonus
[09:50:45] <DanFrederiksen> fluke is obviously very overpriced but at least they are tightly calibrated when you get them. UT61E is about as good for 60$ if you calibrate it but they don't bother from factory. shame
[09:51:08] <GuShH> I don't know what Brymen is.
[09:51:16] <GuShH> Let alone a TBM867
[09:51:17] <jadew> DanFrederiksen, the reason I didn't go for that one is because they only have like 2x update rate
[09:51:20] <DanFrederiksen> fluke could easily be beaten but the last margin still remains before the beating is total
[09:51:21] <jadew> which is really bad
[09:51:32] <DanFrederiksen> you mean 2hz?
[09:51:39] <GuShH> it has 22.000 counts
[09:51:40] <jadew> DanFrederiksen, yeah
[09:51:41] <DanFrederiksen> it's plenty fast
[09:51:46] <GuShH> why would you need more than 2hz
[09:51:55] <GuShH> if you wanted to log faster you'd use a DSO
[09:52:04] <DanFrederiksen> if you want to see changes you need a scope anyway
[09:52:08] <jadew> GuShH, so i don't have to spend an entire day testing out the linearity of DAC
[09:52:11] <DanFrederiksen> which multimeters should have these days
[09:52:13] <DanFrederiksen> but don't
[09:52:15] <GuShH> ....
[09:52:25] <GuShH> you are using the wrong tool
[09:52:30] <GuShH> that's what a DSO is for
[09:52:44] <jadew> GuShH, a DSO is not that sensitive
[09:52:49] <GuShH> fuck what?
[09:52:59] <jadew> they're just fast
[09:53:01] <GuShH> who opened the retard faucet on freenode this week?
[09:53:08] <jadew> the ADC is very low resolution
[09:53:08] <DanFrederiksen> plus the UT has a fast bar below to see changes
[09:53:12] <jadew> they have like 8 bits
[09:53:15] <GuShH> perhaps one you can afford isn't suitable.
[09:53:35] <jadew> DanFrederiksen, the brymen has that too
[09:53:51] <DanFrederiksen> GuShH, how long have you been here? :)
[09:54:00] <GuShH> long enough
[09:54:07] <GuShH> what is Brymen, again.
[09:54:16] <DanFrederiksen> a meter brand
[09:54:26] <GuShH> Who makes it
[09:54:29] <jadew> brymen
[09:54:31] <DanFrederiksen> brymen does
[09:54:37] <DanFrederiksen> they do a 500000 count meter
[09:54:44] <GuShH> It's a secondary brand isn't it
[09:54:44] <GuShH> because until now I've never seen it
[09:54:45] <jadew> they're the ones doing the meters for extech
[09:54:52] <DanFrederiksen> extech sell it under their name
[09:54:57] <GuShH> extech is not high end either
[09:54:59] <DanFrederiksen> others too
[09:55:06] <jadew> it's not, but it's decent
[09:55:15] <GuShH> define decent
[09:55:26] <jadew> you can rely on it, with out paying $600
[09:55:28] <DanFrederiksen> GuShH, things change..
[09:55:40] <GuShH> an led can be decent to know if a lithium cell is above discharged, you wouldn't need a meter for that see.
[09:55:48] <GuShH> you shouldn't rely on it
[09:55:52] <GuShH> even if you paid 600
[09:55:58] <GuShH> that's the thing you should know.
[09:56:13] <DanFrederiksen> GuShH doesn't seem receptive right now
[09:56:26] <theBear> kinda like you, always
[09:56:26] <megal0maniac> Right now? :P
[09:56:32] <jadew> they generally have good acuracy, comparable to the brands you know of
[09:56:50] <jadew> and they have nice specs and good build quality overall
[09:57:06] <GuShH> you never used or owned one
[09:57:12] <jadew> everyone says that
[09:57:14] <GuShH> you are just talking out your arse based on a video
[09:57:16] <jadew> why would everyone lie to me?
[09:57:21] <jadew> and from the datasheet
[09:57:26] <GuShH> everyone is not on a shitty review site
[09:57:31] <jadew> it's not like I ever used a fluke or an agilent
[09:57:37] <GuShH> datasheets can be misinterpreted by someone who doesn't know what he's doing
[09:57:48] <jadew> I compare them based on what I've read, heard other people say about them
[09:58:00] <jadew> I don't have first hand experience with all the meters in the world, because I'm not into that
[09:58:09] <GuShH> american: ITS SHIT IT BROKE WHEN IT FELL OFF A CLIFF ITS SHIT IMA SUE THEM DONT BUY ITS SHIT
[09:58:24] <megal0maniac> :)
[09:58:32] <GuShH> that's the kind of review you'll get out there.
[09:58:55] <jadew> did you even look at the review I linked?
[09:59:09] <jadew> it seems decent and hits all the points I'm interrested in
[09:59:11] <GuShH> I don't care for videos
[09:59:28] <jadew> so what do you do in order to get a feel of how something you don't own, is?
[09:59:35] <GuShH> you'll be disappointed when you get it.
[09:59:37] <GuShH> I use it
[09:59:52] <jadew> well, I can't use it, cuz I don't own it
[09:59:58] <GuShH> you don't have to.
[10:00:00] <jadew> I don't know anyone else who's into electronics
[10:00:03] <GuShH> someone you know could have it
[10:00:04] <GuShH> work
[10:00:06] <GuShH> stores
[10:00:13] <jadew> we don't have any good stores
[10:00:22] <GuShH> SOL
[10:00:26] <jadew> I buy from a different country
[10:01:03] <GuShH> You are still trying to use the wrong tool for the job.
[10:02:19] <jadew> again, a DSO can't do that properly
[10:02:26] <jadew> it's not a multimeter
[10:02:52] <GuShH> Say you are given a pop rivet, you grab a hammer... but then you stop, go ahead and buy a bigger hammer, instead of a riveting tool. How messed up is that logic?
[10:02:57] <jadew> even the high end scopes have crappy (in terms of precision) ADCs
[10:03:01] <jadew> because they need to be fast
[10:03:08] <jadew> you can't have super fast and super precision
[10:03:19] <GuShH> Like I said, a DSO you can afford may not be able to obtain the fantasy bullshit audiophiliac level of craptastic resolution and accuracy you're after
[10:03:32] <GuShH> Saying no DSO can do it, makes you sound like an ignorant fool.
[10:03:42] <DanFrederiksen> eh 500000 count is not fantasy
[10:03:57] <GuShH> DanFrederiksen: his application is.
[10:04:18] <DanFrederiksen> GuShH, I think you being in a good mood is more fantasy
[10:04:28] <GuShH> he wants to measure linearity on what I suspect is audiophile related DACs.
[10:04:38] <jadew> it's not audio stuff
[10:04:55] <GuShH> jadew: you can sample at lower speeds
[10:05:04] <jadew> I want to make my own r2r dac, because high bit count dacs are expensive
[10:05:12] <GuShH> lots of sampling methods and modes on high end scopes
[10:05:13] <jadew> and I need to see how it does before I can use it
[10:05:25] <DanFrederiksen> jadew, what's expensive? and how many bits do you want?
[10:05:28] <GuShH> are you even aware of the limitations implied?
[10:05:31] <jadew> now, sampling at lower speeds is obviously possible, but why waste 5 hours when you can only waste 1 doing datalogging?
[10:05:32] <GuShH> and do you own a laser trimmer?
[10:05:37] <GuShH> unbelivable.
[10:05:44] <jadew> DanFrederiksen, I need 15 bits
[10:05:45] <DanFrederiksen> jadew, I think I saw a 24bit dac on digikey for 2$
[10:05:53] <GuShH> hahaha
[10:05:55] <jadew> DanFrederiksen, yeah, the cypress ones, right?
[10:06:00] <DanFrederiksen> I forget
[10:06:06] <jadew> they don't take a voltage reference tho
[10:06:07] <DanFrederiksen> jadew, what speed do you need?
[10:06:07] <GuShH> 15 bits with 1% is going to be awful
[10:06:14] <jadew> DanFrederiksen, the speed is not important
[10:06:19] <GuShH> even at 0.1%
[10:06:27] <GuShH> and the crossover region....
[10:06:28] <jadew> GuShH, well, that's something I'd like to see for myself
[10:06:34] <DanFrederiksen> jadew, couldn't you just let it sample the voltage reference?
[10:06:57] <GuShH> any scope will show you that
[10:07:09] <jadew> DanFrederiksen, what do you mean?
[10:07:41] <jadew> GuShH, a scope will show me a line inside a 600 pixels height display, when I have 32k positions
[10:07:53] <jadew> that's not very useful or easy to actually get the full 32k points
[10:07:57] <GuShH> output a sinewave and you'll get to see it, even at low frequencies using your soundcard to sample it back
[10:08:11] <GuShH> jadew: a DSO can dump the whole memory to a raw file
[10:08:31] <GuShH> that's several million points of data for every grab
[10:08:39] <GuShH> and more.
[10:09:01] <GuShH> and as you sample and hold, you just analyze the waveform
[10:09:09] <GuShH> you are confused with CROs
[10:09:15] <jadew> I'm not
[10:09:15] <DanFrederiksen> someone should make a dirt cheap awesome tablet scope/meter
[10:09:19] <jadew> I know what they can't do
[10:09:26] <GuShH> You are full of smoke.
[10:09:35] <jadew> taking accurate voltage measurements is one of those things
[10:10:38] <DanFrederiksen> like 100$. 7" touch display. 10MHz 60MS/s
[10:10:41] <GuShH> it's going to be off by 5% on a cheapie, and you can consider it an offset which you can characterize and account for at any given range
[10:11:12] <GuShH> I believe you've been fed crap and are entirely mislead.
[10:11:18] <GuShH> starting by the r2r
[10:11:28] <DanFrederiksen> show advanced profiles for inductors, diodes, caps, transistors
[10:11:46] <GuShH> you are going to be disappointed on both accounts.
[10:12:47] <DanFrederiksen> something so cheap and so awesome that Dave Jones will self destruct because he needs to hate it so much because it's from china :)
[10:14:49] <jadew> GuShH, I don't mind getting dissapointed as long as I got to try it first hand
[10:29:32] <GuShH> jadew: that's what she said
[10:30:22] <jadew> she's probably lying to you
[10:31:55] <GuShH> that's your case
[10:33:45] <jadew> in my case she said "thank you!"
[10:37:23] <GuShH> jadew: then proceeded to count the money
[10:37:24] <GuShH> we know.
[10:39:01] <jadew> lol
[11:19:56] <tzanger> wow Wiznet seems to be the only company in the business of embedded TCP/IP stack ethernet chips. Lots in the wifi realm but not ethernet
[12:09:47] <Tom_itx> yup
[12:11:55] <Tom_itx> http://cz.mouser.com/wiznet/
[12:17:25] <Steffanx> cz Tom_itx ? :)
[12:18:15] <Tom_itx> that's how it came up
[12:19:00] <Tom_itx> i hear those are pretty good chips
[12:45:33] <OndraSter__> Tom_itx, CZ!! CZ!! :D
[12:53:01] <OndraSter__> Steffanx, what you do not like about cz? .
[13:04:39] <Steffanx> Should i dislike something OndraSter__ ?
[13:26:19] <jksdhfsdjkfds34> hi, i'm in college and i have to make my first project using an avr microncontroller. i was thinking to make some kind of cooler and i have some questions. the first one is what motor should i choose? i need some producers because i don't know any of them. i want the the motor to have it's nominal value at 24V
[13:30:24] <jksdhfsdjkfds34> do u have any ideas?
[13:33:00] <OndraSter__> any motor you find for your usage useful
[13:34:00] <OndraSter__> I do not
[13:34:00] <OndraSter__> open mouser, digikey or ebay
[13:34:00] <OndraSter__> and pick any suitable
[14:30:07] <jksdhfsdjkfds34> thank you. i was looking at those motors and i found some very interesting choices. now i need to choose my avr microcontroller and i think this is the hardest part. i don't know how to choose it. all i know is that i need to control the motor by analizing the temperature given by a temperature sensor
[14:58:12] <beaky> hello
[14:58:20] <beaky> what is the best way to write fininte-state-machines?
[16:05:23] <megal0maniac> OndraSter__: Full of wisdom this evening ;)
[16:05:34] <megal0maniac> How goes uni?
[16:20:25] <OndraSter__> oh he is gone
[16:20:31] <OndraSter__> too bad I was grabbing beers!
[17:21:20] <tzanger> jksdhfsdjkfds34: just pick one with a readily available eval board. it really doesn't matter this early in the game
[17:21:40] <tzanger> a serial port and couple LEDs help debugging
[17:22:35] <tzanger> then get a logic level MOSFET and a small (0.1-10) ohm resistor to measure motor current
[17:22:38] <jadew> is it just me or finite state machine is an overused term?
[17:22:55] <tzanger> that's for bonus marks
[17:22:58] <jadew> a freaking pompous way of saying a switch statement
[17:23:07] <tzanger> jadew: not just you.
[17:23:38] <tzanger> well it's more than that but drop the finite term.
[17:24:16] <jadew> I think people who use it are still in school
[17:24:19] <tzanger> specify "infinite state" if its something special. :-)
[17:24:32] <tzanger> or doing fpga work
[17:24:42] <jadew> I've been coding for 20 years and I heard that thing or thought about it, maybe twice, while in school
[17:25:08] <jadew> tzanger, yeah fpga work would fit there I guess
[17:25:11] <tzanger> nobody says fsm when talking software development
[17:25:26] <tzanger> just state machine
[17:28:47] <jadew> oh man... I can't wait to get this psu working
[17:29:23] <jadew> power supplies are such awesome projects
[17:29:45] <OndraSter__> we are (were) using state machines for doing stuff on FPGA :)
[17:30:47] <OndraSter__> stuff like code locks et
[17:30:48] <OndraSter__> c
[17:38:10] <_DiMitarG_> Hi guys, I have a question about avr ISR's : Is there a rule or a recommendation (good practice maybe) that the code in the ISR should be as short (should be executed as quickly as possible ) ?
[17:38:36] <inflex> yes
[17:38:37] <_DiMitarG_> or it doesn't matter if a ISR takes a bit more of processors cycles and time
[17:38:44] <jadew> there are no rules, but yeah, it's a recommendation
[17:38:46] <inflex> but that generally applies to all uC's
[17:39:00] <jadew> you can break it if you know it's ok
[17:39:21] <inflex> I dunno... the IRSP might crack down on him
[17:40:33] <jadew> if you know you're gonna stay long in an ISR you have to keep two things in mind: the other ISR's won't fire, unless you manually enable the interrupts (another thing you have to be very careful with) from within the ISR itself
[17:41:00] <jadew> and the second one is that whatever code was running when the ISR got fired, is now stuck and waiting for the ISR to finish
[17:41:13] <jadew> basically, your main loop will be frozen until you return
[17:41:21] <jadew> if you keep this things in mind, you're golden
[17:43:41] <_DiMitarG_> thanks, I was having the feeling that maybe reading/writing to EEPROM inside ISR maybe is not a very good idea.
[17:43:54] <jadew> it's fine
[17:44:27] <jadew> it's fine in the sense that you can do it, the stuff I just said still applies
[17:45:52] <_DiMitarG_> I'll keep them in mind, thanks
[17:46:47] <jadew> np
[18:00:18] <jadew> have you guys ever seen a 3 pin jumper?
[18:01:01] <OndraSter__> 3 pin jumper?
[18:01:13] <jadew> yeah, like instead of shorting two pins, it would short 3
[18:01:16] <OndraSter__> huh
[18:01:18] <OndraSter__> nope
[18:01:27] <jadew> I need two of those :P
[18:02:42] <jadew> they would be useful to short out pcb pots
[18:03:33] <jadew> like when you have a pot in the middle of a voltage divider, then you can take the voltage divider out with out soldering it's legs together
[18:03:50] <DrLuke> just take 2 jumpers?
[18:03:51] <jadew> *the pot out
[18:04:04] <jadew> DrLuke, meh... that's not as nice :)
[18:04:30] <DrLuke> also that sounds kind of dangerous, as you'd potentially short out vcc with gnd
[18:04:32] <DrLuke> or similar
[18:04:45] <jadew> if it's in the middle of a voltage divider, no
[18:05:04] <DrLuke> ah
[18:05:10] <jadew> -[res1]-\|/-[res2]-
[18:05:21] <jadew> |
[18:05:45] <jadew> so if you short the pot out, you just get -[res1]-*-[res2]-
[18:05:59] <jadew> with the middle connection going wherever it was going before
[18:07:09] <DrLuke> why don't you just put the pot in the centered position
[18:07:54] <jadew> the resistors are low tollerance and the pot is there against my will :P
[18:08:06] <jadew> the goal is to take it out eventually
[18:08:50] <jadew> having it in the middle position would mean there's a shitty component with high ppm drift in the voltage divider when it could simply be removed
[19:08:15] <r00t^home> jadew: just take a 3-pin header and solder a wire across it?
[19:09:16] <jadew> r00t^home, that's probably what I'm gonna do
[19:09:27] <jadew> or just solder some wire directly on the pcb
[19:09:42] <jadew> no biggie, just that it would have been nice if they were available
