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[00:10:14] <evil_dan2wik> is it possible to have a serial port on an atmega16u2?
[00:11:55] <Casper> evil_dan2wik: isn'T there an USART?
[00:12:05] <evil_dan2wik> USART?
[00:12:24] <evil_dan2wik> oh sorry, usb to serial port
[00:12:38] <Casper> you can make one in software
[00:13:04] <Casper> in fact, I'm pretty sure that's one of the demo in some appnote
[00:13:34] <evil_dan2wik> Casper, just found out its on the arduino uno 0_o
[00:13:54] <evil_dan2wik> do you know where i can find the sources for it?
[00:15:47] <Casper> I do not touch to the arduino junk software
[00:16:32] <evil_dan2wik> ok
[00:17:43] * Casper thinks he'll need a 64G SD card very soon
[00:17:58] <Casper> I'm worried that 16 might not be enought to last a day...
[00:18:20] <evil_dan2wik> why not use multiple?
[00:19:06] <Casper> multiple mean a risk of losing one
[00:19:53] <evil_dan2wik> do they make 128GB sd cards?
[00:20:01] <Casper> dunnot
[00:20:03] <Casper> let me check
[00:20:30] <Casper> yes they do
[00:20:34] <evil_dan2wik> lol
[00:21:11] <Casper> http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=78753&vpn=PSF128GSDXC10&manufacture=Patriot&promoid=1338
[00:21:48] <Casper> my camera take biiiiig pics
[00:21:54] <Casper> 6MB jpeg
[00:22:06] <evil_dan2wik> nice
[00:22:12] <Casper> and I can take 5 pics/second without flash
[00:22:43] <Casper> and the flash take a maximum of 3 seconds to fully charge
[00:22:57] <Casper> it's adaptative, so it do not always trigger at full speed
[00:23:40] <Casper> and I can tell you that the flash is REALLY powerfull
[00:23:56] <Casper> took a pic at like 30ft in total darkness, it look like daylight
[00:39:30] <evil_dan2wik> Is it possible to have multiple serial ports using 1 chip?
[00:49:44] <Casper> evil_dan2wik: depend on the chip, then it may be a yes, a no, or a maybe
[00:49:55] <Casper> you can have hardware ports and software ports
[00:50:21] <Casper> but the software one need more cpu, which you may not have the budjet for it in your code
[00:50:36] <evil_dan2wik> ok
[00:51:02] <evil_dan2wik> Which leads me to my 2nd question, is it possible to have multiple usb serial ports?
[00:51:23] <evil_dan2wik> usb => serial*
[00:51:52] <Casper> that, I do not know, never touched usb on avr, so can't say
[00:52:01] <evil_dan2wik> ok
[00:52:10] <Casper> in theory yes, in practice, I do not know if the avr hardware would allow it, and if there is enought ressources
[04:27:17] <inflex> lo all
[04:28:30] <yunta> hel
[09:47:49] <creep> h
[10:37:13] <kline> am i right in thinking theres a discrepancy between the vector tables between this disassembly and the datasheet?
[10:37:25] <kline> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=EtkeCBsm VS
http://www.atmel.com/Images/doc2588.pdf (page 50)
[10:38:15] <OndraSter__> ??
[10:38:28] <kline> (it looks like each interrupt vector is taking up twice as much space as the device thinks it should. specifically, __vector_5 is at 0x000A, not 0x0005)
[10:38:44] <OndraSter__> they are 16 bytes wide
[10:38:44] <OndraSter__> err
[10:38:46] <OndraSter__> 16 bits
[10:39:10] <kline> yes, but page 50 of the datasheet linked shows each vector as being 1 byte after the other
[10:39:21] <OndraSter__> because they are writing it in words
[10:39:56] <kline> thats a pain
[10:40:09] <OndraSter__> everything is in words :)
[10:40:16] <OndraSter__> in flash
[10:40:30] <kline> thanks
[11:17:43] <creep> Into the White (2012): English and German pilots shoot each other down, and later find themselves at the same cabin. In order to survive the tough winter in the Norwegian wilderness they have to stand together. - hahaha
[11:19:44] <OndraSter__> lol
[11:19:47] <OndraSter__> WHAT A PLOT
[11:42:53] <jadew> I imagine the norwegian wilderness is made out of trolls, dragons and warewolfs, right?
[11:43:50] <jadew> or is it more like... we can't find fire wood by ourselves?
[11:52:10] <creep> ok i'm done hahaha
http://amoviesz.com/dead-before-dawn-2012-hdtv-mkv-350mb/
[11:52:20] <creep> A bunch of college kids accidentally unleash an evil curse that causes people to kill themselves and turn into Zombie Demons, aka ZEMONS!
[11:52:41] <OndraSter__> lol
[11:52:55] <creep> still laughing
[12:02:21] <OndraSter__> heya abcminiuser
[12:02:25] <OndraSter__> heya abcminiuser_
[12:03:30] <Steffanx> (diving) springboards ftw!
[12:05:08] <specing> abcminiuser: !!!
[12:05:31] <specing> abcminiuser_: !!!
[12:52:33] <geri> hi does RTOS support parallel computing?
[12:53:48] <specing> you'll have to be more precise than that
[12:54:39] <geri> like how does a real time system support the executing of a real time task accross multiple cores?
[12:58:40] <specing> geri: embedded systems generally don't have multiple cores
[12:58:52] <geri> why not?
[12:59:03] <specing> because they are embedded, doh
[12:59:15] <specing> embedded = cheap
[12:59:39] <specing> the only MCU I know that has multiple cores is the 8-core parallax propeller
[12:59:50] <specing> but that one doesen't have interrupts
[13:00:04] <geri> no interrupts?
[13:00:08] <specing> yeah
[13:00:18] <geri> what is it based?
[13:04:51] <geri> arm Cortex-A9 has up to 4 cores
[13:06:35] <specing> that is not a microcontroller
[13:13:24] <Grievre> Is it feasible to receive DMX512 on an ATMega328 without using the hardware UART?
[13:14:04] <Grievre> it runs at 250kHz, so one bit every 64 cycles
[13:28:49] <OndraSter__> <specing> the only MCU I know that has multiple cores is the 8-core parallax propeller
[13:28:54] <OndraSter__> what about that NXP with Cortex m4f and m0?
[13:29:32] <dirty_d> 8 cores, jeez
[13:30:08] <specing> OndraSter__: they pack m4f and m0 together into a single chip?
[13:30:28] <geri> specing, its not a microcontroller..what is it?:D
[13:30:47] <OndraSter__> yes specing
[13:30:58] <geri> ?
[13:31:04] <specing> OndraSter__: nice...
[13:31:42] <OndraSter__> I never remember the number
[13:31:46] <specing> geri: ARM cortex-a9 is a fully-fledged processor design supporting modern operating systems
[13:31:48] <OndraSter__> geri, that is microprocessor, not microcontroller :)
[13:32:18] <geri> oh...but it can also be used in embedded computing?
[13:32:35] <OndraSter__> well sure
[13:32:36] <OndraSter__> but it has got 0 peripherals really
[13:32:36] <OndraSter__> maybe one i2c for some peripherals
[13:32:38] <OndraSter__> one or two UARTs
[13:32:44] <OndraSter__> and it comes in "shitload" package
[13:33:01] <dirty_d> whats the shitload package
[13:33:11] <OndraSter__> really, really, really thin BGA
[13:33:16] <specing> OndraSter__: 8 UARTs, 4 I2C, 4 SPI, I2S, CAN, ...
[13:33:21] <OndraSter__> specing, which one?
[13:33:25] <specing> they are really full of peripherals
[13:33:33] <specing> allwinner A10, the cortex-a8
[13:33:39] <OndraSter__> he asked for a9..
[13:33:41] <OndraSter__> well
[13:33:47] <OndraSter__> they have got these interface peripherals
[13:33:50] <OndraSter__> err
[13:33:53] <OndraSter__> intercommunication
[13:34:03] <dirty_d> my stm32f3 discovery should be delivered today
[13:34:16] <geri> specing, do u think there will be more multicore embedded systems?
[13:34:31] <OndraSter__> phone is embedded system in its own way too
[13:34:36] <dirty_d> i forgot to buy those female connector wires for the pins
[13:34:54] <geri> but phone most implements in hardware :
[13:34:58] <geri> :D
[13:35:15] <specing> geri: no
[13:35:39] <creep> simplest fire alarm?
http://www.engineeringslash.com/buzzers/fire-alarm.html
[13:36:58] <geri> what is the 8-core parallax propeller used for?
[13:37:06] <Grievre> So if I'm buying a crystal to clock my AVR with, what kind of specs should I look for?
[13:37:20] <OndraSter__> frequency?
[13:37:22] <OndraSter__> ;)
[13:37:37] <Grievre> well there are other specs too x.x
[13:37:47] <Grievre> like capacitance, frequency stability, frequency tolerance etc
[13:37:57] <OndraSter__> frequency stability and tolerance is upto you, what do you want/need
[13:38:10] <OndraSter__> capacitance is used to determine what loading caps you need
[13:38:17] <OndraSter__> still nothing AVR-related
[13:38:23] * Grievre nods
[13:38:53] <creep> hmm
http://www.circuitsgallery.com/2012/09/fire-alarm-circuit.html
[13:40:02] <OndraSter__> it is not a fire alarm
[13:40:05] <OndraSter__> it is a temperature alarm
[13:42:02] <wakko> hi
[13:42:02] <tobbor> hi wakko.
[13:42:31] <wakko> robbot :)
[13:42:33] <OndraSter__> hihi
[13:42:38] <OndraSter__> haha
[13:42:41] <OndraSter__> LOL I have never noticed that
[13:42:50] <wakko> hi
[13:42:56] <wakko> smart robot :)
[13:43:22] <OndraSter__> (I have never noticed that tobbor is robbot in backwards, but I do know that it is a robot lol)
[13:43:48] <abcminiuser_> What did I miss?
[13:44:07] <wakko> i came here today and left with a solution to my problem, but i am still fighting with my controller :/
[13:44:09] <abcminiuser_> Sorry specing. OndraSter__ - was out to dinner with coworkers
[13:44:18] <wakko> s/today/yesterday/
[13:44:19] <OndraSter__> we just said hi to you, abcminiuser_ :D
[13:44:25] <OndraSter__> nothing else
[13:45:05] <abcminiuser_> Well then hi OndraSter__ :)
[13:45:07] <wakko> abcminiuser_: i tryed to flash the controller with flip, but i am stuck
[13:45:17] <abcminiuser_> I forgot how awesome this place was while I was away :P
[13:45:20] <OndraSter__> wakko, you are the UC32 user?
[13:45:24] <OndraSter__> err
[13:45:26] <OndraSter__> AVR32UC3
[13:45:29] <abcminiuser_> wakko, which part did you get stuck on?
[13:45:30] <wakko> yep
[13:45:41] <wakko> with flip, it does not give me the proper device
[13:45:46] <wakko> so maybe i am doing it wrong
[13:46:19] <abcminiuser_> Show me your command line invocation of batchisp
[13:46:32] <wakko> in the windows selection menu there is no 32 only AT90 and T89
[13:46:43] <wakko> i was not using batchisp lol
[13:46:47] <wakko> i missed that maybe
[13:46:58] <wakko> so at the end i went to dfu-programmer
[13:46:59] <abcminiuser_> Yeah, the GUI can't do it, hence why I said you have to use it from the command line :P
[13:47:05] <wakko> ok ok
[13:47:07] <wakko> i get it now
[13:47:17] <OndraSter__> abcminiuser_, wait, what? I thought that FLIP can do all AT90/xmega DFU/AVR32 DFU
[13:47:23] <OndraSter__> at least I did xmega DFU few times
[13:47:28] <abcminiuser_> OndraSter__, FLIP can, from the command line
[13:47:33] <abcminiuser_> No UC3 from the GUI
[13:47:34] <wakko> so dfu-programmer looks like it works, being cautious not calling it with flags like --suppress-bootloader-mem
[13:47:38] <OndraSter__> I see
[13:48:07] <wakko> but it tells me "Bootloader and code overlap." so i am gonna try with batchisp
[13:48:55] <wakko> btw, i think the erase of the fw with dfu worked because now the controller chip looks like stuck in bootloader mode
[13:49:32] <wakko> abcminiuser_: when you were talking about flip and batchisp, did you mean windows or linux ?
[13:49:40] <wakko> or it's not important
[13:49:53] <abcminiuser_> wakko, windows
[13:50:05] <wakko> ok because i have batchisp3 on linux
[13:50:06] <abcminiuser_> FLIP for linux is super, super old
[13:50:10] <wakko> i will try on windows...
[13:50:21] <abcminiuser_> SSUUUPPPPEEERRRR OOOLLLLDDD
[13:50:27] <wakko> super uber old ?
[13:51:52] <abcminiuser_> Super-dy zip bop doopady boop bob old
[13:52:54] <specing> 0.5.4-r1 ?
[14:01:03] <Malinuss> evening
[14:01:03] <Malinuss> any of you guys have some experience with servos?
[14:12:31] <abcminiuser_> Malinuss, a tiny tiny bit
[14:16:34] <Malinuss> abcminiuser_, could you turn your servo "to the ends"?
[14:16:45] <abcminiuser_> Not the ones I had
[14:16:50] <abcminiuser_> ~270 degrees
[14:17:54] <Malinuss> abcminiuser_, I mean - like even with the biggest pulse width it gets (responds to) there are still some more movment room (about 1cm?). The same for the other end (the shortest pulse width)
[14:18:19] <abcminiuser_> That I don't know, these were mounted in a structure
[14:19:47] <Malinuss> abcminiuser_, as in - even with the widest pulse, if I turn it off after, I can still move it a bit later. Exactly the same amount on both "ends"
[14:19:58] <wakko> most of servos are like this Malinuss, maybe you want a gimbal servo => 360° degrees
[14:21:00] <Malinuss> wakko, I was just sure there were something wrong. So just to make it clear - you CAN'T go to either ends of the servo? Is that some kind of "fail safty"?
[14:21:51] <wakko> i think it's because they are for RC stuff, and RC stuff does not need 360°, and it would break stuff in most of the cases
[14:22:52] <Malinuss> wakko, just to make sure you follow me. When I move it to the "end" with the uc (either using as short a pulse it gets or as long one as it gets), and turn it off later, I can still feel it could actually have moved more, so I have only control of like 10-90% of the movment. I know it can't turn around 360 dagrees though
[14:23:09] <Malinuss> it "stops responding" at about as long from the end, in both ends
[14:24:08] <abcminiuser_> Sounds normal, to prevent breakage
[14:24:59] <wakko> Malinuss: this is less normal, also some digital servo have a software limitation
[14:25:07] <wakko> they sell tools to reprogram them
[14:25:25] <wakko> with those you can: change the min/max, the center, the speed, the speed variation, etc
[14:25:54] <Malinuss> guess I would have to find a other servo and see
[14:26:14] <Malinuss> wakko, I'm pretty sure you can't do that with this servo though, heh
[14:26:21] <Malinuss> but okay I get the point
[14:27:55] <wakko> trying other servos is a good idea, also you should check for a servo tester, they are cheap
[14:28:07] <wakko> and pretty usefull sometimes
[14:29:01] <Malinuss> servo tester?
[14:29:08] <wakko> http://cgi.ebay.fr/Etronix-3-Mode-Servo-Tester-RC-Car-Heli-Boat-Plane-/370739408677?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item5651ca6f25#ht_1359wt_1399
[14:29:14] <Malinuss> What can a servo tester do that I can't using my uc?
[14:29:19] <wakko> this kind of thing, thay have all the logic you are trying to implement
[14:29:30] <wakko> nothing
[14:29:35] <wakko> it's just a good unit test
[14:29:36] <wakko> :)
[14:29:53] <Malinuss> hehe
[14:30:37] <Malinuss> wakko, how in the world does it know the pulse widths of the servos? and where the natural position is?
[14:30:48] <Malinuss> well the natural position is between start-end of couse :)
[14:30:52] <Malinuss> but how does it know them?
[14:32:07] <wakko> that's a very good question
[14:32:17] <wakko> only some blury ideas
[14:32:54] <Malinuss> hmm
[14:33:30] <wakko> there is a decoder inside i guess :)
[14:33:36] <wakko> base on that, everything is possible
[14:34:24] <Malinuss> wakko, it actually have a gsm unit with 3g integrated that searches for the right datasheet (after taking a photo and using a algorithm to find the brand number and unit name), then it uses some algorithms to search the datasheet for the right informations?
[14:34:39] <Malinuss> a decoder - that sounds plausible
[14:35:00] <Malinuss> no idea how that would work though
[14:35:17] <Malinuss> since the servo doesn't send any feedback back?
[14:35:20] <wakko> pwm decoder
[14:35:40] <wakko> each pulse length = one virtual position
[14:35:53] <wakko> then the position must be actuate the rotor
[14:36:06] <wakko> using motor electronic evil trickery :)
[14:38:20] <Malinuss> heh
[15:21:19] <wakko> batchisp.exe -hardware usb -device AT32UC3B1256 -operation erase f memory flash blankcheck loadbuffer my.hex program verify
[15:21:35] <wakko> WARNING: The user program and the bootloader overlap!
[15:21:45] <wakko> same problem than dfu
[15:22:01] <wakko> back in atmel studio
[15:25:54] <Malinuss> yay atmel studio
[15:27:12] <wakko> runs well in virtual box :)
[15:28:21] <Malinuss> lol
[15:36:43] <OndraSter__> wakko, isn't your application too bug?
[15:36:45] <OndraSter__> big
[15:38:00] <wakko> i guess so
[15:43:47] <geri> does the 8-core parallax propeller use interrupts?
[15:44:28] <geri> specing, why did u mention cortex-a8?
[15:45:09] <specing> geri: w d u m cortex-a9?
[15:45:32] <geri> it uses multi-cores
[15:45:47] <OndraSter__> I bought today
[15:45:53] <OndraSter__> http://www.buyincoins.com/new_en/details/7-android-4-0-a13-1-5ghz-tablet-pc-4gb-512mb-ram-ddr3-wifi-camera-capacitive-product-25187.html
[15:45:54] <OndraSter__> this
[15:45:54] <geri> which one?
[15:45:57] <OndraSter__> just to see how awesome it is
[15:46:10] <geri> it uses a coretex?
[15:46:26] <OndraSter__> everything new in ARM is now Cortex
[15:46:35] <geri> cortex-a8 is single core
[15:46:41] <OndraSter__> it has got A8
[15:46:44] <OndraSter__> with Mali400 GPU
[15:46:56] <OndraSter__> I do wonder how much expensive it is in volumes
[15:46:58] <OndraSter__> it must be really cheap
[15:47:00] <geri> it its still single core?
[15:47:02] <OndraSter__> if they can make whole tablet for $57
[15:47:03] <OndraSter__> yes
[15:47:42] <geri> the coretex-m series seems to be a microcontroller
[15:47:48] <OndraSter__> it is
[15:47:56] <geri> but still single core
[15:48:10] <OndraSter__> yes
[15:48:20] <geri> hm why? :D
[15:48:30] <OndraSter__> what why?
[15:48:49] <geri> they dont have a miltocore
[15:48:51] <geri> u
[15:48:52] <OndraSter__> so?
[15:49:00] <OndraSter__> dude, WHOLE TABLET COSTS $57 with free shipping.
[15:49:01] <geri> multicore
[15:49:13] <specing> OndraSter__: said cortex-a8 is in tqfp-180 and costs less than $5 in mass volume
[15:49:17] <geri> i dotn talk about the tablet :D
[15:49:28] <OndraSter__> specing, that is nice
[15:49:42] <specing> OndraSter__: main channel is #arm-netbook
[15:49:51] <OndraSter__> oh those mini ARM netbooks?
[15:51:19] <wakko> http://pastebin.com/Xuhe5wMF
[15:53:27] <geri> do u think there will be a demand on multi-core embedded systems?
[15:54:24] <OndraSter__> embedded systems is a VERY broad spectrum
[15:56:17] * specing embeds multi-clues into geri's brain
[16:15:59] <jadew> nice find OndraSter__
[16:20:17] <wakko> yay it worked
[16:21:09] <OndraSter__> which one jadew ?
[16:21:27] <jadew> the tablet
[16:21:57] <OndraSter__> I see
[16:22:03] <jadew> I'm getting ont
[16:22:05] <OndraSter__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtmwlWV_vZM
[16:22:07] <OndraSter__> to feel how cheap it is
[16:22:23] <jadew> how did you find that?
[16:22:28] <jadew> (the video)
[16:22:36] <OndraSter__> internet :)
[16:23:31] <jadew> now that's a shitty job
[16:24:21] <jadew> you have to do the same thing 1000 times a day and every time you have to do it in pre-calculated ammount of time
[16:24:33] <jadew> you can't even take a break to strech and let a fart out
[16:24:52] <OndraSter__> of course
[16:26:10] <OndraSter__> but I mean, for $57... the parts on their own cost more
[16:26:10] <OndraSter__> how can they make it so cheap
[16:26:43] <jadew> maybe they're using old parts
[16:27:18] <jadew> I think that the value goes down with age (since it was produced)
[16:27:27] <jadew> so they could reduce costs there
[16:27:52] <jadew> or!
[16:28:10] <jadew> maybe it's a company that produces those parts
[16:28:40] <jadew> and then they would just add the assembly price to the parts cost and that's it
[16:28:53] <jadew> it would be like just selling the parts
[16:30:09] <jadew> makes you think how much you're getting ripped off when you're buying more expensive stuff
[16:30:14] <jadew> my tablet was close to 1k
[16:30:36] <OndraSter__> wow
[16:30:54] <OndraSter__> I wouldn't buy anything with android for more than $100 really ;)
[16:30:58] <OndraSter__> I don't like android :D
[16:31:06] <jadew> it's cool
[16:31:11] <OndraSter__> I am windows guy
[16:31:14] <jadew> it's lacking some stuff, but it's ok
[16:34:12] <jadew> if I were to get a windows tablet, I'd probably get the lenovo one
[16:34:31] <OndraSter__> I'd get Surface Pro, once it is out
[16:37:10] <OndraSter__> wow, linux kernel 3.7.4 is stable
[16:37:12] <OndraSter__> 3.8 in mainline
[16:37:19] <OndraSter__> they are now using google/firefox numbering system?
[16:48:17] <Tom_itx> evening
[16:49:36] <OndraSter__> evenin
[16:54:56] <Steffanx> Why google/firefox and not google/mozilla OndraSter__ ? :)
[16:55:15] <OndraSter__> ?
[16:55:21] <OndraSter__> oh
[16:55:30] <OndraSter__> because I said google/firefox
[16:55:34] <OndraSter__> while thinking about chrome/firefox
[16:55:37] <Steffanx> :P
[16:59:48] <Tom_itx> http://webbot.org.uk/iPoint/30.page
[16:59:54] <Tom_itx> ever look at that?
[17:08:52] <OndraSter__> wow
[17:08:59] <OndraSter__> that tablet's CPU has got full datasheet open :)
[17:09:10] <OndraSter__> well, except the GPU, which is, of course, not
[17:10:52] <OndraSter__> hmm
[17:10:55] <OndraSter__> only pinout datasheet
[17:11:45] <OndraSter__> 20€ on olimex / 1pcs for the chip
[17:12:43] <specing> OndraSter__: don't count on the openness
[17:12:51] <specing> the datasheet is like only 100 pages
[17:12:58] <OndraSter__> less
[17:13:00] <OndraSter__> much less
[17:13:02] <OndraSter__> only pinout stuff
[17:13:03] <specing> while OMAP ones are over 2000
[17:13:04] <OndraSter__> no registers, no nothign
[17:13:06] <OndraSter__> heh
[17:13:24] <specing> my cortex-m4f datasheet is 1300
[17:15:29] <Steffanx> 1300 pages bullshit specing :)
[17:15:52] <Steffanx> ok, maybe half of that
[17:17:20] <OndraSter__> actually I believe him
[17:17:27] <OndraSter__> stellaris, specing ?
[17:17:48] <Steffanx> STM32F4 reference manual is > 1400, ha :P
[17:18:10] <OndraSter__> :P
[17:18:48] <Steffanx> How's it with your xmega datasheet/ref. manual OndraSter__ ? :D
[17:19:00] <OndraSter__> 600 pages one + 400 second I think?
[17:19:02] <OndraSter__> let me check
[17:19:39] <OndraSter__> I lied. 480 the detailed one, 154 pages summary one
[17:19:47] <OndraSter__> plus bazilion of appnotes
[17:19:54] <OndraSter__> and further explaining datasheets
[17:20:38] <OndraSter__> it was 497 pages, december update went down to 480 pages :P
[17:21:21] <Steffanx> Ahw
[17:21:45] <specing> OndraSter__: yup
[17:21:50] <OndraSter__> not bad for a $2.4 chip :P
[17:22:33] <OndraSter__> (ok, the $2.4 hasn't got 32bit RTC + battery backup and EBI, thus does not need all 480 pages)
[17:25:07] <OndraSter__> also quality > quantity
[17:25:12] <OndraSter__> and Atmel rocks in the quality
[17:26:53] <tomatto> do you know about some low cost, easy wireless connection between avrs between rooms? i don't want wires more
[17:27:13] <tomatto> but it is cheaper than wireless connections
[17:28:08] <OndraSter__> there were some 433MHz on ebay for $1.5
[17:28:13] <OndraSter__> but only 1directional
[17:28:20] <OndraSter__> for both ways communication check nrf24l01+
[17:28:25] <OndraSter__> they are $2.5 per piece
[17:31:58] <specing> thats cheap
[17:32:11] <specing> I wonder though how far they work
[17:32:46] <OndraSter__> depends on whether there are walls or not etc
[17:32:48] <OndraSter__> and on the antenna mostly
[17:39:31] <tomatto> i am not really friend with 1wire/spi interface
[17:40:57] <OndraSter__> huh?
[17:59:40] <Malinuss> b-but SPI uses at least 2 wires...
[18:03:24] <OndraSter__> :)
[18:04:56] <Malinuss> hehe
[18:05:23] <tomatto> i ment 1wire and spi
[18:05:30] <tomatto> never mind
[18:05:32] <tomatto> gn
[18:05:46] <OndraSter__> g n
[18:05:49] <OndraSter__> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/37068_478182775575122_1979959154_n.jpg
[18:05:52] <OndraSter__> offtopic
[18:05:58] <jadew> hot
[18:06:02] <OndraSter__> I know
[18:06:05] <OndraSter__> that is why I posted her
[18:06:06] <jadew> who is she?
[18:06:10] <OndraSter__> no idea
[18:07:04] <Malinuss> thought it was your gf OndraSter__ , I'm dissapointed
[18:07:39] <Steffanx> Kimberly Whalen it is :P
[18:07:41] <jadew> I'm glad, because then I would have been full of envy :P
[18:07:57] <jadew> that chick is seriously bangable
[18:08:04] <jadew> is she the one playing in Castle?
[18:08:21] <jadew> imdb says no
[18:08:50] <OndraSter__> <Malinuss> thought it was your gf OndraSter__ , I'm dissapointed
[18:08:51] <OndraSter__> so am I
[18:09:35] <jadew> she looks a lot like this chick:
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm276085760/nm2829369
[18:10:35] <Steffanx> Not really. Same hair colour it is
[18:10:45] <Steffanx> *similar
[18:11:04] <jadew> don't know... redheads all look alike
[18:11:07] <jadew> they're like asians
[18:11:10] <jadew> you can't tell them appart
[18:11:52] <jadew> good excuse if you're cheatting on your redhead g/f
[18:12:03] <Steffanx> Suure :P
[18:12:27] <OndraSter__> :D
[18:13:02] <OndraSter__> http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64930_478106312249435_1363878476_n.jpg
[18:13:09] <OndraSter__> <3
[18:13:24] <jadew> that chick looks too young for me
[18:13:33] <jadew> as in, not legal
[18:14:18] <OndraSter__> I am pretty sure she is legal
[18:14:23] <OndraSter__> she is 17 or 18 iirc
[18:14:27] <OndraSter__> but I don't remember her name anymore
[18:14:58] <jadew> I'm sure if you'd yell "hey hottie!" she would answer
[18:15:04] <OndraSter__> ;)
[18:15:10] <OndraSter__> I should try that in a bus someday :D
[18:15:42] <jadew> oh man... I'm getting married in 2 months :P
[18:16:00] <jadew> well, less than 1 month and a few days
[18:16:06] <jadew> *less than 2 months
[18:17:19] <OndraSter__> wow
[18:17:20] <OndraSter__> to a redhead?
[18:17:41] <jadew> no, normal hair color, but she's hot :P
[18:17:47] <OndraSter__> I see
[18:19:03] <jadew> I used to date a readhead tho, she was part russian so she had that white ten as well
[18:19:30] <jadew> that chick was freaking evil
[18:19:41] <jadew> glad I dumped her
[18:20:15] <specing> evil as in ... ?
[18:20:51] <jadew> as in when we argued she used to throw all kinds of under the belt stuff and after we broke up, she called me for a coffe (on women's day)
[18:21:04] <jadew> and while we were banging her b/f showed up at her door, with flowers and shit
[18:21:31] <jadew> I felt kinda bad for the guy
[18:22:36] <jadew> and she was generally mean
[18:23:09] <jadew> like she couldn't restrain herself from saying hurtfull things, like stuff you woulnd't normally say even durring a fight
[18:25:05] <jadew> oh, and I banged another red-head, that one was a pretty screwed up too, I think she was a sex addict
[18:27:01] <specing> And that is screwed up?
[18:27:12] <jadew> funny story with that one, I called her for some cake (the day after my 18yo birthday) and we got there, but for some unknown reason I didn't want to bang her, two days later she found out she's pregnant
[18:27:27] <jadew> specing, well yeah, because after the abortion she seek me up again and then I banged her
[18:27:52] <jadew> I think she was doing like 1 guy every 2 days back then
[18:28:48] <jadew> now that I think about it, I had lots of deranged women in my life
[18:30:13] <jadew> however, it's possible that that's how 90% of women are but you just don't see it until you date them
[18:31:02] <OndraSter__> you have to be Barney Stinson :D
[18:31:17] <jadew> challange accepted!
[18:32:12] <OndraSter__> :P
[18:33:01] <Malinuss> anyone ever thought about this: 1) you hate someone 2) buy a gsm module 3) buy sim-card with money on 4) send sms each 10-15min. Repeat 3->4 until the person has to change his number, then repeat 3->4 with new number
[18:33:36] <OndraSter__> no
[18:33:46] <Malinuss> haha
[18:33:53] <OndraSter__> why would we do that?
[18:34:05] <Malinuss> You could also do it as a friendly prank for just a day or two ;)
[18:34:18] <jadew> Malinuss, well there are apps that block that shit now
[18:34:39] <jadew> but it's not a bad idea :P
[18:34:57] <jadew> you could invest a bit more in several sim cards and do rotations
[18:35:00] <Malinuss> jadew, awww you are right. In the old days you had to get down there and get a specific number blocked.
[18:35:18] <Malinuss> jadew, just buy a new one each week. They are pretty cheap, hehe
[18:36:27] <jadew> I have a really cool phone number so I get all kinds of people calling me from time to time (I was even asked out on this prank calls, cuz if it's chicks I don't hang up :P )
[18:36:52] <OndraSter__> I thought I had a nice number, but my mum has got even better number :P
[18:36:59] <OndraSter__> she got too many random calls because of it lol
[18:37:04] <jadew> beacause of that I wrote an app a while ago that would answer first and then hang up
[18:37:09] <OndraSter__> one TV show had VERY similar number
[18:37:16] <jadew> heh
[18:37:20] <Malinuss> jadew, android?
[18:37:27] <jadew> Malinuss, windows 6 back then
[18:37:33] <jadew> it was 8 years ago
[18:37:47] <jadew> now there are apps that do the same thing on each platform
[18:37:56] <Malinuss> jadew, also, it should answer - say "hey!" and then just never hang up
[18:38:43] <jadew> Malinuss, nah, if I wanted to have them talking I would answer while already screaming in the microphone :D
[18:38:54] <jadew> oh... I just had an idea
[18:38:58] <jadew> when you get a prank call
[18:39:46] <jadew> you could talk on a quietter voice, wait for the guy to adjust his volume and then start yelling
[18:40:41] <Malinuss> jadew, good idea - I always have mine on max volume. And always had, on any phone I ever had
[18:40:52] <Malinuss> I only go down if it's to loud
[18:40:57] <OndraSter__> I always put the phone to my right ear
[18:41:07] <Malinuss> no!
[18:41:14] <OndraSter__> on max volume level
[18:41:16] <Malinuss> that's just WRONG
[18:41:19] <OndraSter__> which is not always enough when I am on a street
[18:41:21] <OndraSter__> lol
[18:41:24] <OndraSter__> I am using my right hand maybe?
[18:41:33] <Malinuss> phone - always left
[18:41:37] <jadew> I don't have a pattern, I'm using both ears
[18:41:49] <Malinuss> so you can fight, or whatever with your right
[18:41:50] <jadew> it's better to irradiate your brain evenly
[18:41:55] <Malinuss> lol
[18:42:04] <OndraSter__> I don't get much calls anyway
[18:42:15] * Malinuss finding his tinfoil hat
[18:42:24] <OndraSter__> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/619/Untitled-1.jpg
[18:42:42] <Malinuss> I can call you OndraSter__ , just don't pick up, then it's free
[18:43:00] <OndraSter__> heh
[18:43:06] <OndraSter__> I do int'l calls via skype
[18:44:15] <OndraSter__> or mumble/teamspeak lol
[19:11:37] <jadew> OndraSter__, any idea if wp8 has native voip capabilities?
[19:12:31] <OndraSter__> native voip = ?
[19:12:33] <OndraSter__> it supports voip
[19:12:38] <OndraSter__> well
[19:12:45] <OndraSter__> it can integrate voip apps
[19:12:48] <OndraSter__> such as Skype does
[19:12:58] <jadew> thought it has some client for voip servers
[19:13:04] <jadew> by default
[19:13:16] <OndraSter__> doubt it
[19:14:26] <jadew> it's free to call any USA number from my work line, I figured it would be cool to have that one my phone
[19:25:43] <Tom_itx> who you gonna call in the US?
[19:26:02] <jadew> my mom
[19:26:16] <Tom_itx> where are you?
[19:26:20] <jadew> romania
[19:26:40] <Tom_itx> why aren't you here then?
[19:26:44] <Tom_itx> if she is
[19:27:04] <jadew> I didn't wanna go
[19:27:15] <jadew> I even received a green card, I just didn't go to pick it up
[19:27:27] <Tom_itx> some ways i don't blame you
[19:28:06] <jadew> I might visit sometime, but I wouldn't leave europe that easily
[19:29:22] <jadew> + I really don't like the idea of leaving my country (I might do it at some point) but when you do this, you will always feel like a stranger
[19:29:47] <jadew> and no matter how well you can speak a foreign language, there will still be subtilities you won't get, durring a casual conversation
[19:29:47] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:29:58] <Tom_itx> very true
[19:30:40] <jadew> subtilities aside, I still can't name all the items you can find in a kitchen
[19:30:54] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:31:02] <jadew> they never come up :)
[19:31:22] <OndraSter> I have got such problem
[19:31:24] <OndraSter> but the other way around
[19:31:29] <OndraSter> I often cannot remember the czech name for something..
[19:31:34] <OndraSter> and I remember only the english term for it
[19:31:39] <OndraSter> mostly tweezers
[19:31:42] <jadew> yeah, that happens to me as well
[19:31:58] <Tom_itx> are either of you required to know 2 languages?
[19:32:02] <jadew> if I didn't have a g/f there would be days when I'd speak only english
[19:32:10] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, well czech is my #1
[19:32:11] <jadew> Tom_itx, no...
[19:32:12] <OndraSter> english #2
[19:32:27] <Tom_itx> just curious about the schooling requirements
[19:32:34] <OndraSter> we are
[19:32:35] <OndraSter> here
[19:32:41] <jadew> well, we were tought 2 foreign languages
[19:32:43] <OndraSter> english is required on both primary, middle and even university
[19:32:46] <jadew> but you don't have to learn them :P
[19:32:49] <OndraSter> I had german on primary school too
[19:32:57] <OndraSter> but I didn't have it on middle anymore
[19:32:58] <jadew> for us it was french and english
[19:33:10] <jadew> french in primary
[19:33:23] <OndraSter> uh
[19:33:28] <Tom_itx> even though you are taught a language you are taught the proper language and not the 'spoken' one
[19:33:29] <OndraSter> is there any french person around?
[19:33:29] <jadew> now I can say je ne comprendre pas, vous parles english?
[19:33:41] <OndraSter> no?
[19:33:46] <OndraSter> then I can laugh at French :D
[19:33:54] <OndraSter> do you know, why French tanks have got a back mirrors?
[19:34:12] <jadew> to see the action happening?
[19:34:21] <OndraSter> :P
[19:34:22] <OndraSter> yep
[19:34:26] <OndraSter> I think I posted them here
[19:34:56] <jadew> I have nothing against the french, but they refuse to talk any other languages
[19:35:08] <jadew> it's like everyone in the world is supposed to speak french
[19:35:12] <OndraSter> I hate french accent in english
[19:35:14] <OndraSter> I can't understand almost anything
[19:35:15] <OndraSter> lol
[19:35:33] <jadew> it was fine when I needed guidance :P
[19:36:03] <jadew> you know who's worse when it comes to other languages?
[19:36:07] <jadew> the spanish
[19:36:32] <jadew> if you ever go to spain, you'll probably need to know how to ask for directions, because they don't speak ANY english
[19:37:03] <jadew> took us several minutes to describe an onion at a restaurant
[19:37:40] <OndraSter> lol
[19:37:57] <OndraSter> show them a knife, cutting and crying during it, maybe?
[19:38:15] <Tom_itx> they may just think you stabbed you mom
[19:38:19] <jadew> lol
[19:38:28] <OndraSter> lol
[19:39:23] <jadew> I remember when we asked a couple if they speak english and they answered "Yes", we were baffeled, almost forgot our question
[19:39:31] <jadew> that's how bad it is
[19:39:46] <OndraSter> :D
[19:40:38] <jadew> so yeah... give the french some slack, they're not that bad :)
[19:42:10] <jadew> so... OndraSter, sprechen sie deutsch
[19:42:12] <jadew> ?
[19:43:13] <OndraSter> niet
[19:43:15] <OndraSter> :P
[19:43:18] <OndraSter> gavarite pa ruski?
[19:43:35] <jadew> niet, gaspajin OndraSter :P
[19:43:51] <OndraSter> heh
[19:44:06] <OndraSter> what is the master language in romania anyway?
[19:44:11] <OndraSter> romanian?
[19:44:12] <jadew> romanian lol
[19:44:15] <jadew> yeah
[19:44:16] <OndraSter> some russian spin-off?
[19:44:18] <jadew> nope
[19:44:33] <jadew> it's latin based
[19:44:42] <OndraSter> uhhuh
[19:44:45] <jadew> very similar to italian with russian influences
[19:45:13] <OndraSter> uh
[19:45:15] <OndraSter> I am off to sleep
[19:45:16] <OndraSter> gn
[19:45:20] <jadew> noi potere parlare italiano molto facile :P
[19:45:28] <jadew> gn
[19:45:57] <seldon> I had Latin in school, and I actually understood that sentence.
[19:46:37] <seldon> \o/
[19:46:38] <jadew> we had latin in school too, but I swear, some of those stuff made no sense
[19:47:22] <jadew> I remember one thing tho: cogito, ergo sum!
[19:47:42] <seldon> I wish Descartes were alive today so I could punch him.
[19:47:56] <jadew> why?
[19:48:20] <seldon> We spent half a year in philosophy on Descartes' meditations. Up until "cogito, ergo sum" it makes sense, but after that he becomes really, really stupid.
[19:49:02] <seldon> Basically, he states that if he clearly sees something to be true, then it must be true. And that is, of course, quite clearly bullshit.
[19:49:09] <jadew> I don't think we discussed him in the philosophy classes
[19:49:19] <seldon> You didn't miss anything.
[19:50:39] <jadew> I agree that that view is wrong
[19:51:39] <seldon> Six full meditations on an intellectual sleight of hand that lets him state anything without justification. It made for a painful semester.
[19:52:49] <jadew> I bet
[19:53:54] <jadew> I think it's a requirement to have you thinking about what truth is and how to find it
[19:54:37] <seldon> Of course. But in all honesty, scientists tend to make a much better job of it than philosophers.
[19:55:02] <seldon> Because, you know, they check.
[19:55:12] <jadew> seldon, that's not true, the problem with philosophy is that there are a lot of bad philosophers out there
[19:55:40] <jadew> philosophy can help you put something in perspective and present it in a simpler manner
[19:55:56] <jadew> going blah blah and completely bat shit crazy on a subject is not philosophy
[19:57:50] <jadew> if you'll ever hear a good philosopher talk, you'll see how well he can underline ideas and present them in a way that makes sense
[19:58:10] <seldon> I'm not arguing against any of that. But I think it helps, after thinking about something at length, to go and find ways to test if it is actually true, and then do that. Which is basically science.
[19:58:28] <jadew> true
[20:03:07] <Horologium> truth has nothing to do with it.
[20:03:20] <jadew> with philosophy?
[20:03:43] <Horologium> no, just with it.
[20:03:46] <Horologium> whatever it is.
[20:04:27] <seldon> You just say that because YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
[20:05:18] <Horologium> What I say is the truth, facts notwithstanding.
[20:05:41] <Horologium> above line is quoted from a baptist preacher I knew when I was a teenager.
[20:06:43] <seldon> That's almost a deepity, I think.
[20:07:13] <Horologium> yeah, but it describes most of my experience with religion over the years too.
[20:08:30] <jadew> if I was a teacher, that would be the tag line of my course
[20:08:47] <Tom_itx> you can generally rationalize something to be true in your mind whether it is or not
[20:09:25] <Tom_itx> and if you're really good at it they may label you a politician
[20:09:28] <seldon> I think priests have to make a difference between Truth and truth, were Truth may or may not be actually true.
[20:09:47] <jadew> however you can't claim something to be true with out empirical evidence or a rational, sophism free, deduction
[20:09:58] <Horologium> yes you can.
[20:10:04] <Horologium> you can claim anything you want.
[20:10:13] <seldon> I was about to say that. :o
[20:10:17] <Horologium> that doesn't necessarily make it true, but you can claim it all day.
[20:10:18] <Tom_itx> you say it enough times ppl will begin to believe it
[20:10:26] <Tom_itx> and that is brainwashing
[20:10:50] <seldon> The "oh yeah, I heard that before" effect.
[20:11:07] <jadew> so what's your sign? :P
[20:11:12] <Horologium> ~
[20:11:30] <jadew> mine is _|_
[20:11:43] <seldon> ?
[20:11:46] <Tom_itx> why do you think the fed wants standardized school curriculum?
[20:11:46] <Horologium> ,,|,,
[20:11:51] <jadew> lol
[20:11:58] <jadew> Tom_itx, why?
[20:12:07] <Horologium> so they know what kids are being taught.
[20:12:11] <Tom_itx> subtile brainwashing
[20:12:17] <Horologium> can't have them learning things we don't want them learning.
[20:12:21] <Horologium> like, how to think.
[20:12:21] <jadew> ah, makes sense
[20:12:42] <yunta> oh, yeah, we've got a lot of that in europe
[20:12:44] <Tom_itx> like a frog in a pan of cool water on a burner
[20:12:49] <yunta> everybody thinks the same way here
[20:13:01] <seldon> I disagree.
[20:13:12] <Tom_itx> disagree with what?
[20:13:18] <Horologium> and in this country it's leaning more and more toward religious teaching in schools.
[20:13:21] <seldon> With yunta.
[20:13:23] <yunta> minor exceptions maybe....
[20:13:38] <yunta> I hope like me and seldon :)
[20:13:58] <Horologium> "everybody" is an overused term I think.
[20:14:09] <Horologium> local tv station uses it waaay too much.
[20:14:16] <Tom_itx> yeah it shows lack of thought
[20:14:27] <Horologium> and whenever I catch it I make sure they know.
[20:14:31] <yunta> it's easier to write than "most of the people here share similar ways of thinking..."
[20:14:54] <Horologium> specially when they go on about how "everybody" is grieving or "everybody" is rooting for such and such a team.
[20:14:57] <jadew> yunta, however "most of the people" implies that "some" people disagree
[20:15:03] <jadew> and they don't want to transmit that message
[20:15:15] <jadew> TV is always politically backed
[20:15:27] <yunta> sure, I'm just defending my own use of that word :)
[20:15:45] <Tom_itx> a generalized way of thinking of a counry's people will follow the rise and fall of their country
[20:15:47] <yunta> in normal discussion you can often get away with that
[20:15:53] <yunta> if people know what you mean....
[20:15:57] * Horologium never claimed to be normal.
[20:16:45] * Tom_itx tosses an avr on the fire for good merit
[20:17:06] <yunta> damn, 4am here, I'm out
[20:17:09] <yunta> :(
[20:17:18] <jadew> night
[20:17:19] <Tom_itx> heh i was here at 4am today as well
[20:17:23] <Horologium> I sacrificed an A3968 to the electronics gods this past weekend.
[20:17:27] <jadew> where do you live?
[20:17:28] <Horologium> complete with blue smoke.
[20:17:30] <jadew> yunta?
[20:17:33] <yunta> finland
[20:17:36] <jadew> gotcha
[20:17:38] <jadew> night
[20:17:41] <yunta> night
[20:17:45] <jadew> (4am in here as well)
[20:17:53] <Horologium> 8PMish here.
[20:18:19] <jadew> Horologium, the west coast?
[20:18:25] <Horologium> central.
[20:18:26] <Horologium> Iowa
[20:18:47] <Horologium> just about as close to the center of the country as I could get.
[20:39:46] <jadew> new scare tactic in china:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=447_1358869365
[20:39:55] <jadew> if you have kids, you'll turn 70
[21:02:16] <Tom_itx> jadew why do you say that?
[21:02:33] <jadew> it's obviously fake
[21:02:43] <Tom_itx> oh, the article
[21:03:02] <jadew> we would have heard of that before if it was a real thing
[21:03:18] <jadew> not to mention that she looks genuinely old
[21:03:28] <Tom_itx> i don't think i like this lib
[21:03:35] <jadew> the robot one?
[21:03:40] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:03:42] <jadew> told you
[21:03:50] * jadew has the eye
[21:03:52] <Tom_itx> i hadn't looked at it yet
[21:04:03] <Tom_itx> i was looking at rif's code
[21:04:08] <Tom_itx> not the lib
[21:04:34] <jadew> I rarely use other people's libs, I've made my own for pretty much everything
[21:04:42] <Tom_itx> i'd be curious of the compile size
[21:05:08] <Tom_itx> looks too much like ardweenie
[21:06:19] <Tom_itx> i bet if i loaded their environment i could crash it in 5 min
[21:07:25] <jadew> http://vplay.ro/watch/76nag456
[21:09:09] <Tom_itx> did you reply?
[21:09:23] <jadew> to what?
[21:10:01] <Tom_itx> oh nevermind
[21:10:09] <Tom_itx> just saw the beginning of it
[21:15:54] <Tom_itx> http://pastebin.com/NpkZXGef
[21:15:58] <Tom_itx> something like that
[21:16:58] <jadew> where's that code from?
[21:17:16] <jadew> the function is improperly named, it should be called get_line
[21:17:23] <Tom_itx> crap i posted it int he wrong channel
[21:17:28] <Tom_itx> still aplies
[21:18:24] <jadew> you should also consider trimming the eventual possible \r at the end
[21:19:11] <jadew> another issue I see is that's consuming the characters even tho the buffer is full
[21:20:28] <Tom_itx> wasn't really meant for public use
[21:24:30] <Tom_itx> http://pastebin.com/njXngU3C
[21:24:42] <Tom_itx> he is trying to make that loop for a string
[21:24:46] <Tom_itx> instead of single char
[21:26:28] <jadew> buff[pos++] = InstreamData; if (pos >= maxLen) { do something; pos = 0; }
[21:27:03] <jadew> or, if (pos >= maxLen || InstreamData == '\n')
[21:27:49] <jadew> but as I said earlier today, that appControl function looks like a waste of cycles
[21:30:06] <Tom_itx> i'm sure it is
[22:34:34] <inflex> lo Tom_itx
[23:39:36] <blocky> hi, if I have an attiny2313-20, does that mean it always runs at 20 mhz, and i need to program it at high speed?
[23:40:36] <Casper> no
[23:40:43] <Casper> it mean it CAN run at 20MHz
[23:40:52] <Casper> provided that you have an external crystal or clock source
[23:41:29] <blocky> does it have an oscillator of its own?
[23:42:21] <theBear> it's got an internal rc, pretty sure it can only do approx 1mhz tho
[23:42:47] <blocky> is it CKSEL? seems to suggest it can do 4 or 8 mhz
[23:42:56] <theBear> that's for crystals
[23:43:54] <Casper> 1MHZ default, 8MHz max
[23:44:24] <blocky> okay cool
[23:44:38] <blocky> im assuming i need all six pins connected to program it
[23:46:37] <Casper> mosi, miso, sck, reset... gnd... optionally vcc
[23:47:48] <blocky> vcc can come through the chip to the programmer or vice versa?
[23:48:22] <theBear> doesn't matter, so long as it exists
[23:49:17] <blocky> so if i leave vcc on my board off the chip, do i leave gnd as well?
[23:49:34] <theBear> gnd has to be common or the programming lines mean nothing
[23:49:35] <blocky> i mean from my regulator, not the 6 pin header
[23:49:58] <blocky> so just let the programmer power the chip vcc and gnd?
[23:50:05] <theBear> that works
[23:53:56] <blocky> and i have to tie reset to vcc?
[23:57:20] <theBear> been a while, pretty sure the programmer runs it, and that's why we use resistor pullups instead of tieing
[23:59:56] <blocky> windows has lost contact with the programmer
