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[03:55:34] <creep> ah, tried this and i only got 0.43V/0.57V output control
http://amplifiercircuit.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Voltage-controlled-variable-gain-amplifier.jpg
[03:56:07] <creep> with a simple lm358, 330k input resistance A = 1/10
[03:59:49] <creep> -2.448dB
[08:12:37] <inflex> hrmm... we get wifi to serial adapters yet? I know you can get BT->serial
[08:27:51] <r00t|home> those exist, but the price point is pretty heavy
[08:28:07] <r00t|home> consider that you need a wlan interface, and a cpu with an ip stack
[08:29:02] <r00t|home> http://www.rovingnetworks.com/171.php
[08:29:31] <r00t|home> that one is 20eur "only" actually:
http://www.solutron.de/epages/61427429.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61427429/Products/101000050
[08:29:41] <r00t|home> "In the simplest configuration, the hardware only requires four connections (PWR, TX, RX and GND) to create a wireless data connection."
[08:30:03] <r00t|home> "The RN-171 is a standalone, complete TCP/IP wireless networking module. "
[08:33:23] <r00t|home> (the bluetooth modules also have a 32bit-cpu and a megabyte-size firmware, to implement the bluetooth protocols), conneting one to an 8-bit uC is kind of funny)
[08:43:46] <Horologium> might as well put a ddwrt based router on your project and be done with it.
[08:44:00] <r00t|home> yeah, exactly
[08:44:54] <r00t|home> or rather, put your project on the router
[08:47:07] <r00t|home> probably makes a nice platform for any project that needs wlan:
http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr703n
[08:56:21] <Horologium> that is what I meant.
[08:57:09] <Horologium> then add a usb avr or some such for gpio.
[08:57:32] <Horologium> if it has the proper usb port that is.
[08:57:40] <r00t|home> or use the GPIOs of the router's controller, most have at least a few available
[08:57:51] <Horologium> most have a serial port or gpio on the board too.
[08:58:11] <r00t|home> routers without serial port would kinda suck
[08:58:22] <r00t|home> looks like the TL-WR703N can be had for <20usb new on ebay...
[09:02:54] <r00t|home> make that <20eur
[09:25:26] <Limb> You can't bit shift info into the SPI send buffer, correct? If I understand correctly, anytime information is loaded in it will automatically be sent out
[09:33:50] <specing> indeed
[09:39:05] <OndraSter> yep
[09:44:31] <iSaleK> What is the easiest (read: cheepest) way to make some board wireless? I want to log my temperature&humidity data from my balcony :)
[09:45:42] <Horologium> one way, two way, how far?
[09:46:00] <iSaleK> any :)
[09:46:21] <iSaleK> 2-3m at least :)
[09:46:23] <specing> ANYWAY!
[09:46:35] <iSaleK> one way or two way :)
[09:46:37] <ike> bluetooth
[09:47:05] <ike> not cheapest but easiest
[09:47:07] <Horologium> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10534
[09:47:12] <Horologium> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10532
[09:47:33] <ike> that is lame
[09:47:39] <Horologium> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9582
[09:47:45] <Horologium> easy and cheap.
[09:48:24] <ike> it's not that easy
[09:48:31] <ike> and from sparkfun is not that cheap
[09:48:46] <Horologium> the transmitter and receiver combo works well with avr USARTs.
[09:49:06] <ike> that is correct
[09:49:08] <Horologium> run at 1200 bps or so.
[09:49:32] <ike> 9600
[09:49:37] <ike> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-USB-2-0-Bluetooth-Dongle-Adapter-For-PC-laptop-/280638565139?pt=US_USB_Bluetooth_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item41575cab13 master
[09:49:38] <Horologium> in theory those will run at 4800.
[09:50:03] <Horologium> that's great if you have a bluetooth transmitter for the remote end.
[09:50:35] <Horologium> and that is much more expensive than a set of tx/rx at 433MHz.
[09:50:45] <ike> http://www.ebay.com/itm/30ft-Wireless-Bluetooth-RF-Transceiver-Module-serial-RS232-TTL-HC-05-for-arduino-/180957186752?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a21e38ac0 slave
[09:51:12] <ike> with bluetooth is more easy
[09:51:19] <ike> what you send is what you get
[09:51:23] <Horologium> good price if it works.
[09:51:36] <ike> of course it works
[09:52:00] <ike> 719 sold
[09:52:23] <ike> alice1101983 (9374) 99.3% Positive feedback
[09:52:25] <Horologium> I've bought stuff like that from ebay that didn't work...and cost me more to ship it back than I paid for it.\
[09:53:07] <ike> if you buy things for half price from someone with 5 score and 50% feedback
[09:53:26] <ike> that is your fault
[09:53:38] <Horologium> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/691 now, personally, I prefer these.
[09:53:48] <Horologium> but they are pricier.
[09:54:06] <ike> and why do you recomend 433
[09:54:12] <ike> it's iligal in USA
[09:54:15] <Horologium> he asked for cheap and easy.
[09:54:33] <ike> do you know what is better
[09:54:56] <ike> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcx-SI4432-Transmission-through-wall-1000-meters-Distance-Sensor-Module-/261150330901?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccdc5d015
[09:55:04] <ike> but is more cheap
[09:56:24] <ike> 20dbm and better propagation than 2.4GHz
[09:59:23] <Horologium> sparkfun has those tx/rx pairs in 315MHz which is legal in the USA too.
[10:00:06] <iSaleK> Im in Europe so it's ok :)
[10:00:28] <iSaleK> Can I somehow use USB bluetooth dongle and mod it for avr?
[10:00:40] <Horologium> only if your AVR has USB Host mode.
[10:00:51] <ike> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-433Mhz-RF-transmitter-and-receiver-kit-for-Arduino-project-/261041100836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc7431824
[10:01:10] <Horologium> or you can cut it open and patch in beyond the USB connection,,which is probably not going to happen easily.
[10:01:11] <ike> 3,801 sold
[10:01:18] <ike> Sold by chip_partner (28892 )
[10:01:25] <ike> 99.9% Positive feedback
[10:01:55] <ike> iSaleK you generaly you can
[10:02:03] <ike> but if you ask than you can't
[10:02:14] <ike> so you have to buy BT module
[10:02:22] <ike> for 5.5-6^
[10:02:25] <ike> for 5.5-6$
[10:03:05] <Horologium> the other option is to use an avr to generate an AM signal directly and pick it up with a cheap AM radio and feed it into another AVR.
[10:03:25] <Horologium> which is possible...I got 1200 baud doing that.
[10:03:54] <Horologium> not reliably and not much range, but was able to get data through.
[10:04:16] <ike> he can do that, but he will need thansistor for transmiter and some kind of receiver so this is more cheap
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-433Mhz-RF-transmitter-and-receiver-kit-for-Arduino-project-/261041100836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc7431824 solution
[10:04:27] <Horologium> heck, using some pwm magic you could probably generate FM.
[10:04:37] <ike> then he can use laser and LED for receiver
[10:04:46] <ike> OOK is OK
[10:04:49] <Horologium> many ways to do it cheap and/or easy.
[10:05:26] <ike> but if he ask then he can't do it
[10:05:35] <ike> then he must use BT
[10:05:37] <Horologium> just need to learn.
[10:06:03] <r00t|home> iSaleK: why not use some cheap existing remote thermometer and hook into the receiver...
[10:06:54] <iSaleK> Well I will most likely need wireless functions for other boards so I could try to make it now as well... :)
[10:07:46] <ike> if you need several boards to send data then you go with 433 RF module
[10:08:13] <ike> but you will need to make a packet and add checksum
[10:08:43] <iSaleK> Ok :)
[10:09:06] <iSaleK> How far can AM go?
[10:09:29] <Horologium> 30meters line of sight for those little sparkfun modules I think.
[10:09:30] <ike> as FM
[10:09:42] <Horologium> or are those FM modules?
[10:10:09] <Horologium> using an avr as an AM transmitter,,,very noisy and not reliable really,,,I got about 3 to 5 meters.
[10:10:52] <iSaleK> Hmmm... But another tought, can I use bluetooth dongle (the one I use for PC) with AVR?
[10:11:15] <ike> yes
[10:11:16] <iSaleK> I can get those for 1-2$ each
[10:11:21] <ike> but you can't
[10:12:07] <Horologium> and used a quad-data packet...sent the data 4 times in one packet, each subpacket had a checksum...subpackets were sent forward, backward, inverted forward, and inverted backward...then the receiving end would straighten them out and look them all over, comparison, to see which ones didn't fit..and build one packet from the four....
[10:12:26] <r00t|home> ike: have you used that actual bt module you linked?
[10:12:28] <Horologium> iSaleK, you need a USB host for those usb-bluetooth dongles.
[10:13:00] <ike> r00t|home yes, it worked out of the box
[10:13:02] <Horologium> and most usbAVR atmega series are not host compatible...xmega might be, not sure.
[10:13:28] <ike> they are NOT host
[10:13:47] <ike> but there are UART pins in on the chip
[10:13:56] <ike> but he can't access them
[10:14:03] <r00t|home> ike: i ordered some before... and could see them when scanning, but not connect to them, and never got the uart/at-commands to work
[10:14:43] <Horologium> ike, I'm talking about the usb dongle, not the board based module.
[10:15:02] <ike> and he must know
http://www.lisha.ufsc.br/teaching/ish/ine5346-2003-1/work/bluetooth/hci_commands.html
[10:15:33] <ike> Horologium I know that you are talking about
[10:15:46] <ike> r00t|home so do you connect Rx and Tx pins
[10:15:56] <ike> do you find them with computer
[10:16:11] <ike> did you pair to them with passcode 0000 or 1234
[10:16:29] <r00t|home> ike: yes, tried all that
[10:16:46] <ike> for me they worked out of the box
[10:16:50] <r00t|home> until i got bored...
[10:17:02] <r00t|home> well, will try again sometime, and ordered one of those now
[10:17:11] <ike> I connect to them using usb TTL uart
[10:17:16] <r00t|home> same here
[10:17:26] <ike> I can send AT commands to them
[10:17:43] <r00t|home> never got a response at any comms settings i tried
[10:17:43] <ike> and they just work as advertise
[10:17:59] <ike> 9600
[10:18:05] <ike> 8/n/1
[10:18:22] <ike> can you pair to them?
[10:18:29] <ike> form a computer?
[10:18:41] <r00t|home> the problem is, it seems to me, that there is a cpu with a firmware on the thing, and settings and pinout depend on the firmware, so you need the exact docs for the firmware version on yours...
[10:19:04] <r00t|home> i could not pair or communicate at all...
[10:19:24] <r00t|home> it was months ago that i tried... will try again sometime, for example when i got the one i just ordered
[10:21:05] <ike> you need 4 wires
[10:21:18] <ike> rx tx 3.3v and gnd
[10:22:15] <r00t|home> and status led, pairing key, and a gpio to change uart mode between transparent and at-mode
[10:23:12] <ike> you don't need that
[10:23:23] <ike> and yes, they are firmware dependant
[10:23:48] <r00t|home> maybe i just got ones with the wrong firmware... which is why i asked if those worked for you
[10:25:05] <ike> I get bluetooth module hc-06
[10:25:10] <ike> and it just works
[10:25:46] <r00t|home> great
[10:26:05] <ike> try them again some day
[10:26:26] <ike> for starter just give them 3.3v and GND
[10:26:33] <ike> find them with computer
[10:26:42] <ike> and try to pair with pass 1234
[10:27:15] <r00t|home> trying to make me get my breadboard up, eh?
[10:27:21] <ike> then use terminal to connect to them 9600 8/n/1 and thry to do echo
[10:27:29] <ike> go for it
[10:27:41] <ike> don't waste your life on IRC
[10:41:43] <r00t|home> but procastrinating is easier!
[10:42:01] <r00t|home> procrastinating
[11:07:11] <iSaleK> Does anyone have a schematic for this item?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261041100836
[11:08:09] <ike> I do
[11:08:19] <Tom_itx> same as rentron
[11:08:20] <ike> but why do you need it?
[11:08:45] <ike> I don't get you
[11:08:51] <ike> what is rentron
[11:09:06] <Tom_itx> http://www.rentron.com/picbasic/remotecontrol.htm
[11:11:11] <ike> this is transmiter
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/141/cdt88.png/sr=1
[11:11:48] <ike> they don't like to include C3
[11:13:09] <ike> and this it RX
http://images.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&tbo=d&q=rc+car+transmitter+and+receiver+circuit&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSWRpXCxCo1NgEGgQIAwgKDAsQsIynCBouCiwIARIG1Qf9B9cHGiDeKI1o1X9sZp-smrM1F5F_1uqAhR1lii-jzyGBAVhOtUQwLEI6u_1ggaCgoICAESBCd05B8M&sa=X&ei=gyL8UPaEJMXNsgaJ4oHYAg&ved=0CCgQwg4&biw=869&bih=690
[11:13:17] <ike> but without bottom IC
[12:11:16] <iSaleK> thank you. I will try to make my board one-way wireless with this one :)
[12:15:45] <ike> with 433MHz module?
[12:47:24] <r00t|home> ike: have a working echo over rfcomm now... guess i just didn't try 1234 as pin las time or something
[12:47:42] <ike> good
[12:47:45] <ike> very good
[12:48:00] <ike> so you have them all that time ;)
[12:48:03] <ike> congrats
[12:48:14] <ike> now make some interesting projects
[12:48:59] <r00t|home> heh
[12:51:17] <r00t|home> and combined with an usb-uart, comms between two boxes... default baudrate is 38400 tho'
[13:45:39] <creep> h
[13:52:00] <Horologium> i
[13:52:38] <creep> o yea, at last, my rice is just right
[13:52:53] <Horologium> hate sticky rice.
[13:53:08] <Horologium> love rice, just not sticky rice.
[13:53:13] <creep> agreed
[13:53:15] <Horologium> and not crunchy either.
[13:53:33] <creep> first, fry on some fat until it starts to turn red
[13:54:40] <creep> then put a spoon salt and right amount of water on it, and cook covered
[13:55:21] <Horologium> never tried frying it.
[13:55:31] <creep> it is much better that way ^^
[13:55:47] <Horologium> just put it in rapidly boiling water and cook then strain and cook again to get rid of stickys.
[13:56:19] <creep> needs only a spoon of fat ( butter is best ) on bottom of pot
[13:56:39] <creep> (this is for 500g)
[13:56:46] <GuShH> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/14/feature_the_transistor_is_65_years_old/
[13:56:52] <creep> used 500g water and its about right
[13:57:05] <tzanger> word.
[13:57:14] <Horologium> what word?
[13:58:15] <Tom_itx> thunderbird
[13:58:53] <creep> Horologium<< actually you can do it in pressure cooker too
[13:59:03] <Horologium> http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Puffed-Rice this looks interesting..specially doing it in a wok with whole rice in the husk.
[13:59:18] <creep> haha yeah i was looking at that too, but it needs an extruder
[13:59:37] <Horologium> creep, yeah, have done that, and have a rice steamer too, but boil/rinse/boil gets rid of a lot of the excess starch.
[13:59:40] <creep> rice needs pressure and heat to puff
[14:00:05] <Tom_itx> Horologium, tried your programmer?
[14:00:14] <Horologium> Tom_itx, yes, works great.
[14:00:29] <Horologium> not recognizing on my tablet though, but not a big deal there, just a hope...
[14:00:41] <Horologium> will have to root the tablet and add some extra software for it to work.
[14:01:17] <Tom_itx> keep us posted on that venture
[14:01:32] <Horologium> need to dig out my buspirate and try that too.
[14:01:43] <Horologium> http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5020 like this.
[14:03:02] <Tom_itx> root may give you access to the port
[14:03:08] <Tom_itx> that may be all you need
[14:03:15] <Horologium> access isn't the problem.
[14:03:16] <Horologium> it's never loading a port.
[14:03:18] <Tom_itx> oh
[14:03:28] <Horologium> so it's a driver/module issue.
[14:06:46] <creep> Horologium<< hmm interesting, why does it need to be in the oven for 2 hours before frying ?
[14:06:59] <Horologium> creep, dries out.
[14:07:06] <Horologium> makes a tough outer skin.
[14:07:11] <creep> but its the water that makes it puff
[14:07:21] <Horologium> then when you fry it the water inside cooks it fast and makes it puff out.
[14:07:32] <Horologium> just like popcorn.
[14:07:33] <creep> hm
[14:07:59] <creep> isn't it too fatty ?
[14:09:05] <Horologium> dunno..haven't tried it yet.
[14:09:36] <creep> but the extruded stuff is neat
[14:09:56] <creep> saw some video chinese do this outside the street
[14:10:21] <creep> with some little extruder
[14:11:47] <creep> it just extrudes corn or rice through a small hole while heated to ~191C and it pops
[14:11:54] <Horologium> Tom_itx, need to try this thing on linux...just tried it on my work windows box earlier yesterday.
[14:17:47] <Tom_itx> should work fine, mine does
[14:25:37] <Horologium> what device does it show up as?
[14:45:32] <Horologium> it is showing up as /bus/usb/003/012
[14:45:42] <Horologium> but not connecting as anything else in /dev
[14:45:48] <Horologium> err..
[14:45:59] <Horologium> ,,, /dev/bus/usb/003/012
[15:02:30] <iSaleK> Hey guys, one offtopic question, how much does it cost to have some factory produce 100x100mm PCB (single sided or double sided) and how long does it take?
[15:02:40] <OndraSter> ask hackvana :)
[15:02:44] <OndraSter> he is our PCB fab
[15:02:49] <iSaleK> with/without silk doesn't matter :)
[15:02:49] <OndraSter> but he is probably asleep right now
[15:02:57] <iSaleK> Does he have a website?
[15:03:13] <iSaleK> OndraSter: did you have him make pcbs for you?
[15:03:20] <OndraSter> no, not me personally
[15:03:23] <OndraSter> feel free to join #hackvana
[15:03:31] <OndraSter> many people there did
[15:08:10] <specing> sudo make me a pcb
[15:08:21] <OndraSter> make me a pcb
[15:08:23] <OndraSter> ACCESS DENIED
[15:08:25] <OndraSter> sudo make me a pcb
[15:08:27] <OndraSter> ... done
[15:08:41] <OndraSter> (for those un-unixeers)
[15:08:43] <specing> Its "Permission denied"
[15:08:52] * specing slaps OndraSter
[15:08:54] <OndraSter> whatever
[15:09:01] <OndraSter> did I mention that I have passed UNIX class with an A?
[15:09:09] <specing> so what?
[15:09:10] <OndraSter> 33 people (including me) out of 750+ had it
[15:09:27] <OndraSter> I am staying as far away from *nix as possible.
[15:10:01] <specing> If they give me a unix class, I'll fucking perforate them
[15:10:08] <OndraSter> why?
[15:10:13] <specing> but first I have to get some patched mainline into Linux
[15:10:13] <OndraSter> this was Solaris, about 7 years old btw
[15:10:24] <OndraSter> we all worked from Sun Ray v2 thin clients :P
[15:10:29] <specing> patches mainlined*
[15:10:46] <specing> OndraSter: because they'll probably make a lot of mistakes
[15:10:50] <OndraSter> heh
[15:11:01] <specing> they all do expecially at shells
[15:11:08] <OndraSter> this teacher was "great" -- he disapproves anything microsoft and loves anything unix. Of course he is shell guy
[15:11:11] <OndraSter> that is what the class was about
[15:11:15] <OndraSter> basic stuff in shell ;D
[15:11:39] <OndraSter> "print how many times has got each user launched gedit and then show 'I can see X total gedit instances'"
[15:11:49] <OndraSter> one of the 5 or 6 final tasks
[15:14:26] <OndraSter> akaSheesh, Mr_Wolf!
[15:23:35] <Horologium> Tom_itx, it is responding
[15:23:53] <Horologium> was something I did to udev a while back that broke it.
[15:24:18] <Tom_itx> in linux?
[15:30:51] <Horologium> yeah.
[16:06:01] <specing> OndraSter: and what was the correct answer?
[16:06:45] <OndraSter> it was some pgrep/ps | grep | sort | awk/sed/...
[16:08:14] <specing> uh?
[16:08:37] <OndraSter> well you had to get the processes and find all the instances of gedit
[16:08:41] <OndraSter> and filter it all out
[16:08:59] <specing> printf "I can see %d total gedit instances\n" "$(pgrep gedit | wc -l)"
[16:09:10] <OndraSter> well, not really
[16:10:01] <specing> probably not, since what I just wrote is modern BaSH
[16:10:15] <specing> you were probably taught the old bourne shell noone uses anymore
[16:10:55] <specing> Now you see why I would perforate them :)
[16:12:58] <OndraSter> I didn't know the pgrep syntax and options, so I used ps -ef -o user,proc (or something like that) | grep | ...
[16:16:41] <specing> pgrep probably doesen't exist on those ancient suns
[16:19:35] <OndraSter> it does
[16:19:38] <OndraSter> it was there
[16:19:43] <OndraSter> but I didn't have enough time to look up the man page
[16:27:06] <Horologium> Tom_itx, working good in linux...
[16:27:45] <Tom_itx> hurah
[16:27:53] <Tom_itx> (i had no doubts)
[16:28:09] <Horologium> I had been futzing with udev to get vUSB CDC working on linux and totally futzed things.
[16:28:21] <Horologium> which also explains why my usb webcam didn't work either.
[16:31:39] <tzanger> Horologium: tar -czvf ~/udev.before.fucking.around.tgz /etc/udev :-)
[16:31:54] <tzanger> I do this kind of "poor man's backup" all the time
[16:33:15] <Horologium> I had it backed up.
[16:33:23] <Horologium> just had forgotten that I had been screwing with it.
[16:38:20] <Horologium> ok, so, never used elf files before....how to write elf file with avrdude?
[16:38:37] <Horologium> so it writes all the sections, flash, eeprom, fuses, etc
[16:38:38] <OndraSter> convert to hex
[16:38:41] <OndraSter> dump it via objdump
[16:40:11] <Horologium> aahh, I thought avrdude could write it all directly.
[16:40:25] <Horologium> someone implied that, or so I thought, some days ago.
[16:41:40] <Tom_itx> convert the elf
[16:41:41] <Tom_itx> to hex
[16:41:57] <Tom_itx> damn i hate when that happens
[16:44:40] <Horologium> my general makefile does that already, for the flash section..have to add to it for the eeprom and fuses I suppose
[19:43:27] <Horologium> Tom_itx, just tried the little board...it seems to respond and programmed...
[19:44:00] <Horologium> what are the two pins in the middle for?
[19:44:07] <Horologium> and how do I get it out of dfu mode?
[19:57:07] <Horologium> nevermind...got it..
[20:07:59] <Tom_itx> Horologium, if you want to disable the dfu you can remove a 10k resistor but then you will have to short the DFU pin to enter program mode using the button
[20:09:35] <Tom_itx> R4
[20:09:55] <Tom_itx> by the oscillator
[20:09:59] <Horologium> it went into normal program mode when I reconnected it.
[20:10:06] <Tom_itx> yeah it will
[20:10:20] <Tom_itx> if you use FLIP you can do it there too
[20:10:40] <Tom_itx> if you remove the R4 10k, reset will act like a reset
[20:10:47] <Tom_itx> instead of a 'program' button
[20:11:00] <Horologium> using dfu-programmer
[20:11:03] <Horologium> it has a start command.
[20:11:09] <Tom_itx> ok
[20:11:12] <Tom_itx> i don't use it
[20:11:47] <Tom_itx> brb
[20:11:51] <Horologium> it was the first one I found for linux.
[20:12:02] <Horologium> and seems to work well.
[20:12:06] <Tom_itx> yeah flip and dfu are it
[20:12:32] <Horologium> playing with the LUFA software at the moment.
[20:12:50] <Tom_itx> i gotta reset my router brb..
[20:26:01] <Horologium> Tom_itx, the two header points next to the USB connector, are for what?
[20:26:31] <Tom_itx> D+ D-
[20:26:34] <Tom_itx> iirc
[20:26:52] <Horologium> aahh.
[20:26:57] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:27:04] <Tom_itx> i've slept since i made that
[20:27:05] <Tom_itx> :)
[20:29:08] <Horologium> how many of those do you have left?
[20:30:06] <Tom_itx> i got half dozen made up
[20:31:02] <Tom_itx> and ~80 blank boards
[20:31:08] <Horologium> aahh.
[20:31:23] <Horologium> so, if someone orders a dozen or so you can handle it..
[20:31:37] <Tom_itx> i'd need some time to make em but yeah
[20:31:46] <Tom_itx> they don't take long
[20:32:05] <Tom_itx> i don't make too many of those up, rather save the chips for my programmers
[20:32:21] <Tom_itx> i still have 2-300 chips though
[20:32:48] <Horologium> not sure when I'll get back to the makerspace.
[20:33:01] <Horologium> hopefully sometime in feb or so.
[20:33:10] <Tom_itx> that's fine
[20:33:39] <Horologium> working on a full avr programming class for them.
[20:33:47] <Tom_itx> you should have a group build of em
[20:34:01] <Horologium> not sure these guys can solder surface mount stuff.
[20:34:06] <Tom_itx> k
[20:34:13] <Horologium> a couple could, but not sure they have the tools for it really.
[20:34:18] <Tom_itx> np
[20:34:27] <Horologium> hell, I would have problem with it with my hardware.
[20:35:00] <Tom_itx> if you decide to don't order form the site
[20:35:09] <Tom_itx> i'll save you the postage on em
[20:35:11] <Horologium> yeah..will talk to you directly.
[20:37:19] <Horologium> as I'm not actually a member of the space I have to get someone else to sponsor the class...and I have to actually get myself a full class setup.
[20:37:48] <Horologium> also means I need to learn atmel studio some too as they will probably want to use windows machines.
[20:42:01] <Tom_itx> studio isn't hard
[20:42:05] <Tom_itx> i don't use it much though
[20:42:12] <Tom_itx> just for uploading the hex mostly
[20:42:15] <Horologium> yeah.
[20:42:20] <Horologium> I don't use windows much.
[20:42:23] <Horologium> except for work.
[20:42:33] <Horologium> only windows machine I have here is my work notebook.
[20:47:11] <Horologium> hoping to get them using something other than ardweeny boards.
[20:48:06] <Tom_itx> rif is using something kinda interesting
[20:48:46] <Tom_itx> http://webbot.org.uk/iPoint/30.page
[20:48:48] <Tom_itx> http://webbot.org.uk/iPoint/37.page
[20:49:10] <Tom_itx> dunno where that board comes form
[20:49:13] <Tom_itx> from*
[20:49:53] <Horologium> yeah..saw that.
[20:51:18] <Horologium> doesn't seem to support the atmega32u2
[20:51:36] <Tom_itx> yeah, i haven't looked at it that close yet
[20:51:52] <Horologium> ATMega168, ATMega32, ATMega328P, ATMega640, ATMega644, ATMega1280, ATMega2560 and ATMega2561.
[20:52:10] <Tom_itx> similar to ardweenie
[20:52:11] <Horologium> as it supports the atmega32, it shouldn't be difficult to add the 32u2 in.
[21:30:29] <Horologium> the lufa cdc app enumerates and works on android tablet
[21:31:20] <Tom_itx> cool
[21:39:48] <Horologium> usbtiny mkII is enumerating in /dev/bus/usb/001 on android tablet
[21:41:09] <Tom_itx> so try a blinky wiht it
[21:42:10] <Horologium> need to get avrdude on tablet next
[21:42:42] <Horologium> and possibly the entire avr toolchain.
[21:43:12] <Tom_itx> mmm
[21:43:20] <Horologium> it is available.
[21:43:57] <Tom_itx> so get avrdude working and copy a hex file over to try
[21:45:22] <Horologium> yeah yeah...am winding down here.
[21:45:33] <Horologium> is an hour past my bedtime.
[21:46:21] <Tom_itx> sleep is over rated
[21:47:11] <Horologium> and watching SG1
[21:49:51] <Horologium> this is on an acer iconia a200 tab with android 4.0
[22:10:10] <Horologium> ok
[22:10:13] <Horologium> bedtime
