#avr | Logs for 2012-11-28

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[00:00:03] <Casper> I totally forgot this year
[00:00:20] <TechIsCool> 10 more month until you order them?
[00:00:26] <TechIsCool> White are not cheap
[00:00:26] <jadew> and if you want to play with different protocols, buy some components on i2c, spi, 1-wire
[00:00:27] <Casper> yup
[00:00:31] <Casper> I need them for xmas
[00:00:35] <TechIsCool> ah
[00:00:51] <jadew> Casper, so you're set for this year?
[00:00:56] <TechIsCool> Well thanks for the ideas jadew and Casper
[00:01:32] <Casper> jadew: no, it's too lade for a DX order for them
[00:02:04] <jadew> ah
[00:02:18] <jadew> well, you never know
[00:02:23] <jadew> sometimes they come faster
[00:02:41] <Casper> won't be here within a week
[00:03:01] <Casper> I want to redo the xmas village house lights
[00:03:16] <Casper> it currently use an hacked up incadescent based one
[00:03:20] <Casper> a series...
[00:03:30] <Casper> with 3-4 lights per house...
[00:03:37] <Casper> quite wastefull and a pita to install
[01:15:58] <TechIsCool> anyone know of a cheap place to buy the jumper shunt
[01:39:49] <rue_bed> TechIsCool, how many ohms
[01:43:20] <TechIsCool> rue_bed: I think I found them cheap here after some searching http://dx.com/p/2-54mm-mini-jumper-connector-black-50-piece-pack-123648
[01:44:45] <slidercrank> TechIsCool, I noticed that no matter how many of them you order, you are always short of them (experience at work)
[01:44:59] <TechIsCool> slidercrank: Really
[01:45:03] <TechIsCool> that must suck
[01:45:30] <slidercrank> that's because if there are many people at work, everyone needs this jumper. and they quickly run out
[01:45:58] <TechIsCool> slidercrank: Not only that but they seem if you order anything under 50 they cost 22c or so like really
[01:59:01] <TechIsCool> Do I need a fuse for usb? or is it just good procedure
[02:02:58] <TechIsCool> slidercrank: http://www.ebay.com/itm/10000PCS-Shunt-Mini-Jumper-0-1-inch-2-54mm-Close-type-/120720308014?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1b7db72e
[02:03:02] <TechIsCool> haha
[02:04:17] <slidercrank> $104 ?? One kilogram of jumpers?
[02:05:22] <slidercrank> TechIsCool, or 10 000 items?
[02:05:30] <TechIsCool> 10k worth of jumpers
[02:06:02] <TechIsCool> .0105 per
[02:06:05] <TechIsCool> unit
[02:06:22] <slidercrank> that's going to be enough for the whole life:)
[02:06:45] <TechIsCool> I know right oh well I only need about 100
[05:46:46] <e2580> anyone here able to help with export law on crypto?
[05:46:57] <e2580> this related to an atmel mcu
[05:47:37] * RikusW had the same trouble
[05:47:40] <RikusW> atxmega ?
[05:47:57] <e2580> at32uc3a3256s, has crypto accelerator
[05:48:45] <RikusW> do you really need that ?
[05:48:59] <karlp> the answer is to not order from digikey, and most of your export law problems disappear
[05:49:02] <RikusW> use at32uc3a3256 instead
[05:49:08] <RikusW> or RS
[05:49:18] <karlp> mouser works well for me.
[05:50:40] <Malinuss> e2580, just wanna say first, I don't have any answers, only questions - so you are trying to inteface with one of the Atmel CryptoMemory eeprom chips?
[06:02:51] <OndraSter_> e2580, US EXPORT LAW SUCKS DONKEY ASS!
[06:02:52] <OndraSter_> :D
[06:02:58] <OndraSter_> hello there
[06:03:05] <OndraSter_> I got my 25 xmegas
[06:03:30] <OndraSter_> from what I know you are forbid to export it to syria, lybia, sudan, north korea and maybe some others (I have the list on my email)
[06:03:38] <OndraSter_> there is some paperwork when you are exporting it..
[06:05:04] <RikusW> and South Africa ?
[06:05:13] <RikusW> is that on the ban list too ? :/
[06:05:34] <OndraSter_> no
[06:06:53] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, is it because you could send encrypted informations to those countries? Why not just send it via internet? much safer and easier
[06:07:36] <RikusW> its just red tape bs
[06:07:57] <RikusW> I have the actual atmel appnote describing how to implement AES on atmega in fw
[06:08:04] <RikusW> DES too
[06:08:17] <OndraSter_> Malinuss, no idea
[06:08:18] <RikusW> only difference is speed
[06:08:20] <OndraSter_> it is some crappy law
[06:08:29] <OndraSter_> 64bit+ AES = military equipment
[06:08:32] <OndraSter_> ask the US law
[06:09:10] <Malinuss> Oh shit, my GPU is military equipment
[06:09:53] <RikusW> the only people that will be killed with that munitions is virtual FPS characters :-P
[06:10:01] <OndraSter_> yep
[06:11:41] <OndraSter_> anybody wants something on mouser without paying $30 or $60 shipping?
[06:21:10] <OndraSter_> nobody nothing?
[06:21:12] <OndraSter_> mkay
[06:28:55] <Horologium> I just order from digikey usually.
[06:29:09] <Horologium> have a buddy who lives near there, I should see if he can pickup for me.
[06:36:42] <day> how does a crypto accelerator work? does he provide special operating units? like tons of xors? or what ever is needed in common crypto routines?
[06:38:56] <Horologium> probably just has the crypto algo in hardware.
[06:40:44] <day> Horologium: i just looked it up its not a crypto accelerator. its a aes accelerator. so i guess you are right
[07:14:21] <Tom_itx> OndraSter_, yes
[07:53:25] <OndraSter_> Tom_itx, that is "yes" to what? :D
[11:17:26] <Kre10s> could it be that the hardware definitions for the devices with a PSC arn't completely fleshed out yet? I'm getting a undeclared SWAP0 SWAP1 SWAP2 error.
[11:41:52] <megal0maniac> Which SSD? Supertalent, Kingston, Corsair, Adata or Intel?
[11:43:13] <Steffanx> Samsung
[11:43:32] * megal0maniac vomits
[11:44:00] <Steffanx> Have problems with Samsung?
[11:44:10] <Steffanx> I've no problems with my Samsung SSD at all
[11:44:15] <megal0maniac> I like their TVs
[11:44:20] <megal0maniac> I don't like their phones
[11:44:30] <megal0maniac> And so I don't trust anything of theirs that I don't know :)
[11:45:07] <Steffanx> Hmpf
[11:45:48] <Steffanx> 128GB for like ~90 euro. not much can go wrong :P
[11:45:55] <megal0maniac> I don't have the option of Samsung anyway :)
[11:46:26] <Steffanx> No? Thought the 830 serie was pretty populair
[11:46:41] <Steffanx> -i
[11:46:46] <megal0maniac> I'm getting from a distributor, not retail
[11:55:31] <megal0maniac> Still trying to convince myself that a raspberry pi is not a bad idea
[11:56:48] <prpplague> megal0maniac: beaglebone is a much better investment
[11:57:05] <megal0maniac> Damn cubieboard is still preorder
[12:00:51] <OndraSter_> damnit
[12:00:55] <OndraSter_> microSD connector does not enjoy hot air reflow
[12:01:04] <megal0maniac> Nor do I
[12:06:01] <megal0maniac> prpplague: It looks really cool, but the price...
[12:08:51] <prpplague> megal0maniac: trust me, after you waste your money struggling with RPi, you will realize that the price is worth it
[12:09:01] <prpplague> megal0maniac: you get a lot better computing experience
[12:09:05] <megal0maniac> How so? I'm curious now...
[12:09:28] <megal0maniac> Currently I'm messing around with routers with OpenWRT.
[12:11:41] <prpplague> megal0maniac: well 1) the beaglebone is 100% open
[12:11:55] <prpplague> megal0maniac: design, schematic, gerbers, software
[12:11:58] <prpplague> megal0maniac: drivers
[12:12:01] <prpplague> megal0maniac: everything
[12:12:12] <prpplague> megal0maniac: if you want to make your own beagle bone you can
[12:12:30] <prpplague> megal0maniac: 2) the beaglebone has much more robust expansion
[12:12:54] <prpplague> megal0maniac: similar features as an avr, with adcs, gpios, spi, i2c
[12:13:05] <prpplague> megal0maniac: as well as standard RGB888 lcd interface
[12:13:25] <prpplague> megal0maniac: 3) expansion interface boards for the beaglebone are standardized and widely available
[12:13:45] <prpplague> megal0maniac: and can be easily created using free software packages such as eagle or kicad
[12:14:15] <prpplague> megal0maniac: 4) all of the linux support for the beaglebone is in the mainline kernel
[12:14:30] <prpplague> megal0maniac: which means it is quality code and will be supported for the long term
[12:16:22] <Malinuss> prpplague, well I've been thinking about a linux-box which is as close to a 8-bit uC/arduino as possible. It seems beaglebone is the way to go?
[12:17:12] <prpplague> Malinuss: well anything that runs linux is not going to be close to an 8-bit uC, but beagle products are as close as you are going to get to transfering your skills from arduino to linux
[12:17:39] <Malinuss> prpplague, that's what I meant.
[12:17:56] <Malinuss> Are you in anyway assoisiated with beaglebone, prpplague ?
[12:18:06] <Malinuss> or just a owner and enthusiast?
[12:18:21] <OndraSter_> megal0maniac, http://clip2net.com/s/2ybCW
[12:18:37] <OndraSter_> RikusW, oh hey there
[12:18:38] <OndraSter_> http://clip2net.com/s/2ybCW
[12:18:53] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, is that how your arduino-pcb looks like?
[12:18:55] <prpplague> Malinuss: i am a contractor with TI, and lead developer for the PandaBoard. i have done many third party accessories for the beaglebone
[12:19:02] <OndraSter_> Malinuss, revA, yes
[12:19:14] <OndraSter_> revB will be once I deplete current boards
[12:19:14] <prpplague> Malinuss: i am also a very outspoken critic of the RPi project
[12:19:39] <OndraSter_> there is also ethernet but they effed up soldermask so I will get them to re-make the boards
[12:20:04] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, connector + chip, on boarD?
[12:20:14] * OndraSter_ hasn't found the use for RPi... that's why he doesn't have one
[12:20:33] <OndraSter_> Malinuss, ethernet? It is Arduino shields... it has got the eth connector + chip + status LEDs + magnetics + some passives
[12:21:25] <Malinuss> prpplague, the pandaboard is a linux-box but just with android instead, right?
[12:22:30] <prpplague> Malinuss: hehe yea, you could phrase it like that
[12:22:38] <prpplague> Malinuss: more like a beagleboard on steroids
[12:22:52] <prpplague> Malinuss: generic linux support as well as android
[12:23:10] <OndraSter_> megal0maniac, btw this time the supply is correct on the first try
[12:23:12] <prpplague> Malinuss: other distros such as fedora, ubuntu, and gentoo
[12:23:12] <OndraSter_> which is quite surprising
[12:23:18] <OndraSter_> I never had SMPS 100% working AS IT SHOULD :D
[12:23:26] <RikusW> hi OndraSter_
[12:23:27] <OndraSter_> and I am using 10uF cap instead of 22uF.. till it arrives
[12:23:53] <RikusW> OndraSter_: do you know the difference between ATxmega256A3BU and ATxmega256A3U ?
[12:24:02] <RikusW> seems atmel uses ATxmega256A3BU for qtouch
[12:24:04] <OndraSter_> battery
[12:24:10] <OndraSter_> only battery
[12:24:18] <OndraSter_> (AFAIK)
[12:24:36] <RikusW> low power then ?
[12:24:49] <OndraSter_> I mean, battery backup option
[12:24:51] <OndraSter_> to retain SRAM
[12:25:52] <hackvana> !seen LearningC
[12:25:53] <tobbor> learningc was last seen in #avr on Nov 16 18:23 2012
[12:30:15] <Kre10s> Anyone using the PSC modules on the avrs? I can't get it to produce any output.
[12:30:32] <OndraSter_> PSC?
[12:32:12] <Kre10s> power stage controller
[12:32:51] <RikusW> which AVR ?
[12:32:52] <Kre10s> I've set up all the regs, and set the relevant ios to output, but am getting no output.
[12:33:06] <Kre10s> at32m1
[12:33:22] <Kre10s> err. atmega32m1
[12:36:04] * RikusW haven't used 32m1 before...
[12:36:09] <Malinuss> does the I/0 clock always run at the same speed as the F_CPU?
[12:39:12] <OndraSter_> Malinuss, where?
[12:39:30] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, in the timers
[12:39:40] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, if no prescalers are set etc.
[12:40:04] <megal0maniac> prpplague: Thanks :) I'll take it under advisement. Assuming I can get one here...
[12:40:42] <RikusW> megal0maniac: indeed you can
[12:40:51] <RikusW> a friend got a beaglebon
[12:40:53] <RikusW> e
[12:41:18] <RikusW> the beaglebone anyways
[12:43:51] <megal0maniac> OndraSter_: Congratulations :P
[12:43:51] <megal0maniac> Looks... green
[12:44:23] <OndraSter_> megal0maniac, thanks
[12:52:36] <megal0maniac> Assuming that isn't finished?
[12:53:07] <OndraSter_> IO headers and ESD suppressors, yes
[12:53:26] <megal0maniac> Any idea of pricing yet?
[12:53:27] <OndraSter_> ESD suppressor*
[12:53:31] <OndraSter_> 19€ for arduino version
[12:53:35] <OndraSter_> same for ethernet shield
[12:54:16] <OndraSter_> arduino is officially 19€
[12:54:18] <OndraSter_> 19.99
[12:54:22] <OndraSter_> leonardo, that is
[12:54:31] <OndraSter_> with piss-poor 32kB flash/2kB RAM
[12:54:36] <OndraSter_> this has got 128/8kB :)
[12:54:51] <megal0maniac> And D/A and uSD
[12:55:00] <OndraSter_> and SMPS
[12:55:41] <megal0maniac> And more UARTS and more SPI and more I2C and more A/D with higher resolution and faster and dedicated bootloader space and NO ARDUINO SUPPORT :(
[12:55:48] <OndraSter_> :D
[12:55:53] <megal0maniac> I'll buy one anyway
[12:56:01] <megal0maniac> When you make another xide update :P
[12:56:16] <megal0maniac> At least to the point where I can code a blinking LED demo and upload it
[12:56:22] <megal0maniac> Then you'll get my dollarz
[12:58:52] <OndraSter_> hehe
[12:58:58] <hackvana> !seen rlc
[12:58:58] <tobbor> rlc is here
[12:59:53] * megal0maniac has fiberglass wool in his eyes
[13:00:04] <megal0maniac> And hands and arms and everywhere
[13:00:36] <OndraSter_> the SMPS is not bad
[13:00:49] <OndraSter_> even with 10uF cap instead of 22uF I am getting only 20mV ripple
[13:01:41] <megal0maniac> What is vin?
[13:01:48] <RikusW> megal0maniac: how did that happen ?....
[13:01:51] <RikusW> Vin ?
[13:02:00] <megal0maniac> On the SMPS
[13:02:04] <RikusW> maybe Vcc == Vin ?
[13:02:11] <OndraSter_> usb
[13:02:22] <megal0maniac> So 4.8v ish.
[13:02:26] <megal0maniac> Not bad
[13:02:40] <RikusW> megal0maniac: did you get into some ceiling ?
[13:02:48] <OndraSter_> 60mv ripple on usb
[13:02:56] <OndraSter_> 5.06v on usb
[13:03:33] <megal0maniac> RikusW: I was laying fiber wool panels on the ceiling tiles at a radio studio.
[13:03:48] <megal0maniac> New job is not always so glamerous :)
[13:03:50] <RikusW> bad idea :-P
[13:03:54] <megal0maniac> glamourous
[13:04:13] <megal0maniac> RikusW: There was pink stuff as well, but we doubled up with the fiber. It works better than rockwool
[13:04:31] <megal0maniac> Plus we have loads of it from a decommissioned studio
[13:04:47] <RikusW> we got those green plastic "blankets" in the ceiling, its way better than the pink fibre glass ones
[13:05:07] <RikusW> its fairly comfortable laying on that :)
[13:06:25] <RikusW> the company selling it actually makes blankets from it too....
[13:06:43] <RikusW> its made from recycled plastic bottles
[13:06:54] <megal0maniac> I must look into that. Company name?
[13:06:59] <RikusW> and looks a lot like the pink stuff
[13:07:14] <RikusW> will have to ask my dad
[13:07:41] <megal0maniac> Cool. Let me know if you find out. But we do like the acoustic properties of the fiberglass :)
[13:07:47] <megal0maniac> I'm off, g'night all
[13:25:48] <slidercrank> has anybody here worked with Proteus? I don't get how one can specify voltage for a generic voltage regular. I want it to drop voltage to 3.3V
[13:27:01] <RikusW> http://www.isotherm.co.za/acoustisorb/product-specifications
[13:43:55] <OndraSter_> damnit PDI
[13:43:58] <OndraSter_> Y U NO WORK again
[13:44:04] <OndraSter_> I see zero activity on data line
[13:44:16] <OndraSter_> CLK line is constantly outputting square wave
[13:44:18] <OndraSter_> "square"
[13:47:36] <OndraSter_> [ERROR] Got error setting up PDI mode: An unknown emulator error occured. Debugger command setParameter failed., ModuleName: TCF (TCF command: Device:startSession failed.)
[13:47:38] <OndraSter_> :(
[13:48:06] <OndraSter_> no JTAG on this chip
[13:52:02] <vikorasmussen> Hi, I use avrdude with an attiny13, and keep getting an "address out of range" error when trying to program it... I kan make the error go away by commenting out a _delay_ms() line, am I simply running our of space?
[14:07:33] <OndraSter_> FINALLY
[14:17:03] <OndraSter_> 2x22pF in SMD
[14:17:10] <OndraSter_> aka 44pF
[14:18:43] <OndraSter_> http://clip2net.com/s/2ydl5
[14:18:44] <OndraSter_> ypiee
[14:19:10] <OndraSter_> so the enumeration was broken due to the USB cable
[15:01:53] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, COM11? why 11 ;P?
[15:14:54] <iSaleK> Malinuss: what about com11? what about com11?
[15:15:31] <Malinuss> iSaleK, not much, just why 11? not much, just why 11?
[15:16:21] <iSaleK> I wasn't online at the time you were chatting, can I help you? I don't know what were you exactly talking about :)
[15:17:44] <Malinuss> iSaleK, don't worry I'm not either ;). I'm trying to figure out how I emulate the COM port, hehe. Or I found some code that does it, but I'm trying to understand it...
[15:18:11] <iSaleK> Malinuss: Ok :)
[15:18:39] <iSaleK> If you want to change COMx to COMy, you can via Device Manager :)
[15:20:44] <Malinuss> oh I didn't actually know that, hehe
[15:24:19] <Malinuss> Okay, another stupid question. I have timer/counter0 overflow running, can I have a PWM pin running, using the same timer?
[15:24:48] <iSaleK> Just do a Right Click->Properties on you serial port an change it's COM port :)
[15:24:54] <Malinuss> Until now I just tried seperating things, but I'm kinda running out of timers, haha
[15:25:39] <iSaleK> About the timer... I'm not sure, I'm still new to the avr but you can make PWM with your timer
[15:25:47] <iSaleK> Od do you need PWM and timer overflow?
[15:25:58] <Malinuss> I want both, on the same timer
[15:26:17] <Malinuss> I think it's possible if I don't change the prescalar, becase they propably share that
[15:27:41] <iSaleK> Prescalers for CPU and timers are separated
[15:28:15] <iSaleK> I think timer0/1 and 16-bit timer use same timer prescaler
[15:32:09] <OndraSter_> Malinuss, 11 because the previous 10 are taken :P
[15:32:48] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, 10 taken? are you using your computer as a space station? hehe
[15:33:07] <OndraSter_> haha no
[15:33:10] <OndraSter_> previous attempts etc
[15:33:15] <OndraSter_> they get saved in the registry
[15:33:40] <Malinuss> oh I didn't know that. what are you trying to do?
[15:33:56] <OndraSter_> I am doing my completely own USB stack :)
[15:33:57] <OndraSter_> for Xmega
[15:34:02] <OndraSter_> I am | | this close!
[15:35:02] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, what does that mean? Like your own functions to emulate the COM port? Funny because I'm kinda doing the same, well I'm just trying to understand how the exsisting one works, but still
[15:35:17] <OndraSter_> Malinuss, but over USB :P
[15:35:28] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, well same here
[15:35:30] <OndraSter_> virtually "serial transmitted over USB with some awful stuff above it"
[15:35:58] <OndraSter_> on what chip Malinuss ?
[15:36:24] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, exactly the same thing, hehe. The arduino library does this for you normally, but I've found the functions that set it all up and try to dissect it... on the atmega32u4
[15:36:35] <OndraSter_> oh..
[15:36:38] <OndraSter_> arduino uses LUFA
[15:36:43] <Malinuss> LUFA?
[15:36:45] <OndraSter_> which is... lame.. I am re-doing LUFA basically
[15:36:45] <OndraSter_> yes
[15:36:49] <OndraSter_> USB stack from Dean
[15:36:51] <OndraSter_> aka abcminiuser
[15:37:19] <Malinuss> oh thanks OndraSter_
[15:37:24] <OndraSter_> np
[15:37:32] <OndraSter_> LUFA is one of those things that were a great idea
[15:37:36] <OndraSter_> but they grew too much
[15:37:42] <OndraSter_> IMHO :)
[15:37:54] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, I just use the "Virtual Serial Device" hehe
[15:37:56] <OndraSter_> also my USB stack + bootloader will be able to self-update
[15:38:03] <OndraSter_> Malinuss, you have got arduino leonardo?
[15:38:20] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, nope, the teensy 2, so very close, hehe
[15:38:35] <Malinuss> just a cheaper and smaller leonardo basically
[15:38:55] <OndraSter_> aye
[15:38:59] <OndraSter_> but my board is much better! :)
[15:39:07] <Malinuss> I know hehe
[15:39:10] <OndraSter_> it has got much more ROM and RAM, much more peripherals.. :)
[15:39:21] <OndraSter_> I will test tomorrow or on friday microSD slot
[15:39:21] <Malinuss> And it's about the same price
[15:39:28] <OndraSter_> for now, yes
[15:39:44] <Malinuss> you gonna charge more for it?
[15:40:10] <OndraSter_> if I stop selling it illegaly I will have to pay VAT
[15:40:19] <Malinuss> oh
[15:40:23] <OndraSter_> and after paying all the customs and import taxes the price went high for all the parts :/
[15:40:54] <Malinuss> just order under the min. customs
[15:41:05] <Malinuss> it might get cheaper to get 100 packages hehe
[15:41:11] <OndraSter_> I grabbed 25 xmegas
[15:41:13] <OndraSter_> :P
[15:41:18] <OndraSter_> 500 resistors
[15:41:27] <OndraSter_> 250 caps (not all of them, the more expensive ones only as much as I needed)
[15:41:42] <OndraSter_> and only 11 microSD slots - I will be switching to different one, since this one has been EOLed
[15:41:43] <OndraSter_> :(
[15:41:47] <OndraSter_> and I like it so much!
[15:41:53] <OndraSter_> gold pins that are on the side rather BELOW it
[15:42:31] <OndraSter_> beer on that!
[15:43:29] <Malinuss> well you should have make some arrangment so they would only send 5xmegas+Xresistors+xcaps in each packages. So you didn't have to pay the customs hehe
[15:43:49] <OndraSter_> well, if you are a company you can deduct the customs
[15:43:53] <OndraSter_> but you still have to pay the other taxes
[15:43:54] <OndraSter_> and fees
[15:44:04] <OndraSter_> which is ridiculous amount
[15:44:13] <OndraSter_> and I cannot order in the order of $1k :)
[15:44:50] <Malinuss> you should start a kickstarter OndraSter_
[15:44:55] <OndraSter_> no kickstarter outside the US
[15:45:00] <OndraSter_> I am planning indiegogo
[15:45:04] <Malinuss> nice
[15:45:04] <OndraSter_> I have got it partially written
[15:45:17] <OndraSter_> plus I am doing school.
[15:45:19] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, remember the single, most important thing though
[15:45:30] <Malinuss> you know what that is?
[15:45:34] <OndraSter_> no?
[15:46:32] <Malinuss> the VIDEO! you need dramatic music, somebody good to voiceact, and a nice video that looks proffessional. Just watch a lot of clips on kickstarter. If you get it right you could easliy get 10k even without saying what you are making
[15:47:05] <Malinuss> hell people sometimes get 100k for games and shit, even with no gameplay videos, and just people talking about how great it is gonna be
[15:47:30] <Malinuss> and prizes, bitches love pizes
[15:47:53] <OndraSter_> haha
[15:47:54] <OndraSter_> yeah
[15:48:00] <OndraSter_> but I don't even have any camera
[15:48:04] <OndraSter_> if I had Lumia 920.. :D
[15:48:13] <OndraSter_> that is some great camcorder right there
[15:48:20] <OndraSter_> it beats many regular standalone camcorders even
[15:48:29] <OndraSter_> well, most of below $500
[15:48:49] <OndraSter_> even some from higher classes
[15:48:54] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, well borrow one, this is the most important thing, whatever you write doesn't matter, only the video. After people have seen the video they already decided
[15:49:03] <OndraSter_> hehe
[15:49:20] <OndraSter_> plus I would have to shave in order to not look like a homeless person :D
[15:49:45] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, you don't need to act in the video, watch all the successful kickstarters first to get an idea...
[15:52:16] <OndraSter_> sure I thought about videos
[15:52:23] <OndraSter_> how do 'muricans feel about non-american accent? :D
[15:52:34] <OndraSter_> well, non-american, non-british, ..
[15:53:47] <Malinuss> bad, you need to find someone else to do it ;D
[15:54:02] <Malinuss> you gonna need to give it a pro look
[15:54:25] <Malinuss> even though it's amature. It shouldn't be too hard nowdays
[15:55:24] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, now this video is pretty shitty, but see it anyway (they must have done something right?) http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digistump/digispark-the-tiny-arduino-enabled-usb-dev-board?ref=live
[15:55:34] <Malinuss> 313k ;)
[15:56:08] <OndraSter_> oh srsly
[15:56:10] <OndraSter_> not that again
[15:56:12] <OndraSter_> HOW CAN ANYBODY
[15:56:15] <OndraSter_> GIVE $313K
[15:56:18] <OndraSter_> TO SINGLE ATTINY85
[15:56:23] <Malinuss> haha
[15:58:48] <OndraSter_> and yes, the video is awful
[15:59:58] <OndraSter_> normally people come out and talk on camer
[15:59:59] <OndraSter_> a
[16:00:37] <OndraSter_> I am right before the end of semester and beginning of all the tests :)
[16:00:46] <Malinuss> OndraSter_, yes, but they still had a video.. now see this: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1102382800/xdev-the-new-standard-in-hobby-development-boards?ref=live
[16:00:46] <OndraSter_> and exams
[16:00:54] <Malinuss> I know, so am I lol
[16:01:15] <TechIsCool> Anyone have input on my board I have been designing? http://techiscool.com/eagle/v2/
[16:01:19] <OndraSter_> huh
[16:02:02] <OndraSter_> TechIsCool, can you pls make some hi-res picture export with both top and bottom layers?
[16:02:03] <OndraSter_> in one?
[16:02:08] <OndraSter_> this is hard to follow :)
[16:02:15] <TechIsCool> OndraSter_: sure
[16:02:20] <OndraSter_> just do file -> export -> picture and set DPI to something like 600
[16:02:24] <TechIsCool> you want them png
[16:02:28] <OndraSter_> yes
[16:02:54] <OndraSter_> or is the outline.brd and .sch the thing itself?
[16:02:57] <TechIsCool> reason I stayed pdf is they are svg
[16:02:59] <OndraSter_> are the *
[16:03:03] <TechIsCool> ^ correct
[16:03:55] <TechIsCool> pngs are also up if you want to use them
[16:04:28] <OndraSter_> I ment "both top and bottom" in one file :)
[16:04:44] <OndraSter_> I am checking out the eagle file
[16:04:52] <TechIsCool> so much easier right
[16:05:19] <OndraSter_> hehe
[16:05:20] <OndraSter_> well
[16:05:22] <Kre10s> Bit 0 – PRUN : PSC Run... Writing this bit to one starts the PSC. what about stopping it?
[16:05:42] <OndraSter_> TechIsCool, the USB data lines going through two vias...
[16:05:52] <OndraSter_> not the brightest idea IMHO
[16:05:55] <OndraSter_> it should be fine
[16:05:57] <OndraSter_> but I try to avoid it
[16:06:03] <OndraSter_> and USB lines are the first thing I route
[16:06:08] <TechIsCool> make sense
[16:06:15] <TechIsCool> since they are high speed
[16:06:30] <OndraSter_> aye
[16:06:37] <TechIsCool> I like the left of the board not so much the right side
[16:06:47] <OndraSter_> then the SPI/UART high speed stuff, then the rest and then just use bottom layer for solid ground and power plane
[16:07:04] <OndraSter_> what does the left side do?
[16:07:16] <TechIsCool> they are high current led drivers
[16:07:26] <OndraSter_> ah
[16:07:50] <OndraSter_> what is the 8pin RJ45? UART?
[16:08:00] <TechIsCool> power and uart
[16:08:09] <TechIsCool> well rs485
[16:08:54] <OndraSter_> ah
[16:09:06] <OndraSter_> kudos for xmega32a4u :)
[16:09:33] <OndraSter_> I am *very* close to finishing my custom USB CDC serial stack
[16:09:39] <OndraSter_> this week it should be done
[16:09:46] <TechIsCool> about a year ago had planned on buying 32u4 and actually own a dev board for it but well the price is hard to cope with at 4.39/unit
[16:10:23] <OndraSter_> aye
[16:10:28] <OndraSter_> wait, 4.39 for 32a4u?
[16:10:30] <OndraSter_> that's a robbery :)
[16:10:52] <OndraSter_> $3.43/1pcs on digikey
[16:11:00] <OndraSter_> down to $1.91 at 100pcs
[16:11:08] <OndraSter_> mega32u4/u2 costs more
[16:11:30] <TechIsCool> OndraSter_: almost twice as much
[16:11:37] <OndraSter_> yep :)
[16:11:44] <OndraSter_> I switched to xm128a4u on the last minute
[16:11:50] <OndraSter_> more space for <$1 more
[16:11:57] <OndraSter_> I got 25 pieces
[16:12:00] <OndraSter_> for $69
[16:12:05] <OndraSter_> impossible to beat with any micro!
[16:12:13] <TechIsCool> thats a great price
[16:12:19] <OndraSter_> aye
[16:12:22] <OndraSter_> plus 20% VAT :D
[16:12:25] <OndraSter_> and some import fees.
[16:12:43] <TechIsCool> lol vat thats like the lame tax
[16:12:56] <OndraSter_> it is
[16:13:00] <OndraSter_> I live in a lame country
[16:13:07] <OndraSter_> >.<
[16:13:38] <TechIsCool> its like export laws in the us of micro controllers how we could make weapons of mass destruction with tme... Really the terrorist don't lie...
[16:13:51] <TechIsCool> them
[16:13:57] <OndraSter_> haha
[16:13:58] <OndraSter_> yep
[16:14:10] <OndraSter_> I had to tell them that I got it for my class where I teach kids microcontrollers.
[16:14:12] <OndraSter_> lol
[16:14:17] <OndraSter_> I couldn't think of better lie
[16:14:23] <TechIsCool> lol
[16:14:29] <Malinuss> haha OndraSter_
[16:18:16] <OndraSter_> stupid laws, stupid lies!
[16:18:25] <OndraSter_> damnit it is 2305 again. I should have been learning math.
[17:15:28] <OndraSter> specing, do you remember my rant about the Solaris crap?
[17:15:29] <OndraSter> well
[17:15:34] <OndraSter> last night I had a dream
[17:15:39] <OndraSter> I was playing Portal 3 IN REAL LIFE
[17:15:44] <OndraSter> but there was no GlaDOS in the machine
[17:15:51] <OndraSter> but our beloved 7 YEARS OLD SOLARIS
[17:15:53] <OndraSter> and it wanted to kill me
[17:15:56] <OndraSter> it bugged even few times!
[17:18:23] <jadew> I only played the demo from the first one
[17:18:28] <jadew> that game gave me a headache
[17:18:37] <OndraSter> lol
[17:19:05] <OndraSter> I bought Portal 2 in preorder
[17:19:09] <OndraSter> 2pack
[17:19:11] <OndraSter> for me and a friend
[17:20:27] <jadew> mm... now I feel like playing eve online again
[17:20:54] <jadew> but it's too addictive, I must refrain!
[17:21:34] <OndraSter> I never enjoyed eve online much
[17:21:36] <OndraSter> nor startrek online
[17:21:47] <jadew> never played startrek
[17:22:37] <jadew> you probably didn't give eve enough time, once it gets to you, it's hard to let go
[17:24:08] <OndraSter> heh
[17:24:24] <jadew> ever been in a war?
[17:24:36] <Tom_itx> gamers r us
[17:24:52] <OndraSter> no
[17:24:55] <OndraSter> I have never been in a war
[17:25:03] <OndraSter> I don't like real life wars
[17:25:13] <jadew> OndraSter, it's awesome, especially if you're in the winning side
[17:25:19] <jadew> and if you have a nice fleet
[17:25:42] <OndraSter> oh you mean in eve?
[17:25:45] <jadew> yeah
[17:25:49] <jadew> doh
[17:26:03] <OndraSter> ..
[17:26:30] * Tom_itx lobs a flaming ball of fire at OndraSter
[17:27:51] <Tom_itx> OndraSter what did you order from mouser this time?
[17:28:02] <Tom_itx> you could have gotten me a couple encoders :)
[17:28:12] <jadew> rotary?
[17:28:18] <Tom_itx> ja
[17:28:26] <jadew> yeah, they are kinda expensive aren't they?
[17:28:33] <Tom_itx> no not these
[17:28:44] <jadew> the cheappest I found was $2
[17:28:50] <Tom_itx> like for a digital dial
[17:29:01] <Tom_itx> these were around 5-6 or so
[17:29:59] <Tom_itx> i found some once that were programmable but i can't find em now
[17:30:14] <jadew> OndraSter, have you found any other space based games? you seem to have played everything :)
[17:30:33] <jadew> Tom_itx, how does that work?
[17:30:42] <Tom_itx> programmable counts
[17:30:48] <jadew> nice
[17:31:33] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, I forgot 22uF 0805 caps and 6n8 0603 caps.. I bought 0201 instead
[17:31:36] <OndraSter> because I saw 0603
[17:31:38] <OndraSter> but it was 0603 mm!
[17:32:11] <Tom_itx> 0201!!
[17:32:15] <OndraSter> yes
[17:32:22] <OndraSter> because they had it marked as 0603 in the title
[17:32:24] <OndraSter> so I grabbed it
[17:32:29] <OndraSter> but it was 0603mm!!!!
[17:32:29] <Tom_itx> woops
[17:32:35] <OndraSter> I didn't check description
[17:32:36] <Tom_itx> good luck soldering that
[17:32:40] <OndraSter> I just bought new ones.
[17:32:49] <Tom_itx> well don't get rid of em
[17:32:50] <OndraSter> I should find tweezers though
[17:32:52] <OndraSter> I won't
[17:32:54] <jadew> how small is that?
[17:32:59] <OndraSter> 0.6 x 0.3mm jadew
[17:33:00] <Tom_itx> dx has good tweezers
[17:33:04] <Tom_itx> for cheap
[17:33:05] <OndraSter> I have got tweezers fro mfx
[17:33:07] <OndraSter> from dx
[17:33:08] <OndraSter> somewhere
[17:33:09] <jadew> wow, that's small
[17:33:09] <OndraSter> on my table..
[17:33:21] <OndraSter> but I have got another 1000 stuff on my table :)
[17:33:22] <Tom_itx> jadew, yeah they're tiny
[17:33:43] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, http://clip2net.com/page/m12051/37707187
[17:33:48] <OndraSter> custom USB stack? NO PROBLEM!
[17:33:59] <OndraSter> http://clip2net.com/page/m12051/37705440
[17:35:12] <OndraSter> I like those microSD connectors
[17:35:16] <OndraSter> why they had to be EOLed :(
[17:35:35] <Tom_itx> that first one asked me to install something before viewing so i declined
[17:35:47] <OndraSter> heh
[17:35:49] <OndraSter> that was a screenshot
[17:35:53] <OndraSter> (or are you just making a joke?)
[17:35:57] <Tom_itx> ok
[17:36:01] <Tom_itx> no i'm not kidding
[17:36:04] <OndraSter> oh :D
[17:36:15] <Tom_itx> kinda hard to tell with me
[17:36:16] <Tom_itx> :)
[17:36:20] <OndraSter> it was screenshot from installation of the driver
[17:36:26] <OndraSter> yeah, I am running English Windows by an accident
[17:36:52] <OndraSter> it is compatible with usbser.sys and thus even with stock linux driver
[17:36:56] <OndraSter> for USB CDC serial
[17:37:52] <Tom_itx> is that your new board?
[17:38:18] <Malinuss> OndraSter, does it work like a normal serial port now?
[17:38:25] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, yeah
[17:38:32] <Tom_itx> looks good
[17:38:32] <OndraSter> Malinuss, it appears as serial port, yes
[17:38:36] <OndraSter> thanks
[17:38:44] <OndraSter> I am quite surprised that the SMPS works on the first try
[17:38:51] <OndraSter> I heard many stories how the layout is important and what not
[17:38:55] <Malinuss> OndraSter, nice. Can you send data trough it, and view it?
[17:39:02] <Tom_itx> little odd spacing on your mounting holes
[17:39:09] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, arduino spacing :)
[17:39:15] <Tom_itx> no wonder
[17:39:23] <OndraSter> it is Arduino Leonardo 1:1 board outline
[17:39:28] <OndraSter> except the weird shape on the edge
[17:39:47] <OndraSter> Malinuss, partially, first byte gets transferred OK from device to the PC... I need to fix that but I have no idea why, PC never sends new IN token..
[17:40:24] <Malinuss> OndraSter, don't you normally send 8 bytes at a time?
[17:40:35] <OndraSter> huh.. no
[17:40:41] <OndraSter> you send whatever you have got ready
[17:41:41] <OndraSter> I have got max packet size of 64 bytes
[17:41:47] <OndraSter> with xmega supporting automatic multipacket transfers
[17:42:10] <OndraSter> so you can shove it upto 1023 bytes or so and it will automatically transfer all of it
[17:42:31] <OndraSter> or what about ping-pong mode where two buffers are used!
[17:45:24] <TechIsCool> OndraSter: It won't work on my computer just looking at that image
[17:45:55] <OndraSter> looniks?
[17:46:01] <Malinuss> oh okay
[17:47:07] <OndraSter> TechIsCool, it works on anything
[17:47:14] <TechIsCool> nope
[17:47:15] <OndraSter> linux = builtin driver, uses the class code (USB CDC serial)
[17:47:31] <OndraSter> windows = signed driver for Win2k, XP, Vista, 7, 8, all 32/64bit
[17:47:34] <OndraSter> + server editiosn too
[17:47:35] <OndraSter> editions
[17:47:40] <OndraSter> MAC = same as Linux I'd expect
[17:47:45] <TechIsCool> OndraSter: link me the info you are using and I will try to install it for my cdc device
[17:47:55] <TechIsCool> inf
[17:47:58] <TechIsCool> not info
[17:48:04] <OndraSter> the .inf is stock atmel's
[17:48:10] <OndraSter> just with new date and links to the .cat files
[17:48:25] <OndraSter> and new texts :D
[17:48:55] <TechIsCool> did they finally come out with the cat file I could not find it for the life of me about 6 weeks ago right after windows 8 launched.
[17:49:01] <OndraSter> eh
[17:49:10] <OndraSter> on W8 x64 I had to sign it with my cert
[17:49:25] <TechIsCool> ah so no atmel has not released public signed driver lol
[17:49:41] <OndraSter> considering that it is using stock Microsoft's driver and for any VID/PID change you have to resign it then no
[17:49:45] <OndraSter> there will never be signed driver
[17:50:05] <OndraSter> if you sign it with your cert it will give you big red fat warning
[17:50:08] <TechIsCool> I find it really stupid that we use built in drivers and it won't accept it unless they are signed
[17:50:16] <OndraSter> if you sign it with your cert and install this cert into cert store it will give you just that small warning
[17:50:23] <TechIsCool> yup
[17:50:33] <OndraSter> if you get WHQL... then you get nothing :)
[17:50:38] <TechIsCool> I actually signed it with my ca domain cert and it does not even complain
[17:50:39] <OndraSter> but WHQL is not free I think
[17:50:55] <OndraSter> well is your CA signed by trusted authority?
[17:50:57] <TechIsCool> WHQL is not free and you need to have a USB id
[17:50:57] <OndraSter> err
[17:51:00] <OndraSter> hehe
[17:51:07] <TechIsCool> OndraSter: Yah it was trusted
[17:51:09] <OndraSter> aye
[17:51:38] <TechIsCool> This got bookmarked and then I took notes on the process. http://www.itninja.com/question/guide-to-signing-unsigned-drivers
[17:51:41] <OndraSter> I used my driver on Win8 x64 just fine
[17:52:11] <TechIsCool> From the looks of the image I thought you were running windows 7 not windows 8 so I assumed it was not signed my bad
[17:52:30] <OndraSter> I am using Win7 on PC
[17:52:33] <OndraSter> Win8 on laptop
[17:52:36] <OndraSter> both x64
[17:52:42] <OndraSter> and Win7 x32 on my tablet PC where it worked too
[17:52:51] <TechIsCool> Well I have to go do some real work Laser Engraving some name tags people want
[17:53:01] <OndraSter> yay nice
[17:53:05] <OndraSter> I want to be Cpt. Adama!
[17:53:12] <TechIsCool> lol
[17:53:46] <jadew> I want to be the traitor
[17:53:54] <jadew> that chick was so hot!
[17:54:09] <Malinuss> that great feeling when you start to understand your 8-bit avr chip <- I've just got that
[17:54:16] <OndraSter> lol
[17:54:25] <OndraSter> it will go away when you start exploring the next peripheral
[17:54:32] <jadew> lol, true
[17:54:40] <Malinuss> oh shit
[17:54:48] <Malinuss> hehe
[17:55:01] <OndraSter> I read the USB part of xmega tens of times
[17:55:12] <OndraSter> just as some "USB in a nutshell" and similar pages on the internet
[17:55:13] <OndraSter> MANY times
[17:55:19] <Malinuss> haha
[17:55:21] <OndraSter> then I finally grabbed it by its neck
[17:55:23] <Malinuss> I need to do that too
[17:55:31] <Malinuss> I wish I could write my own usb stack
[17:55:35] <OndraSter> you do not want to do that unless you really have to
[17:55:36] <jadew> "USB in a nutshell" - 1000 pages
[17:55:36] <OndraSter> believe me
[17:55:47] <OndraSter> jadew, the internet guide has got few pages
[17:55:51] <OndraSter> like.. 9 chapters?
[17:55:59] <Malinuss> OndraSter, b-but that's how I work, reinventing the wheel for each and everyt thing I do
[17:55:59] <jadew> internet guide?
[17:55:59] <OndraSter> from which only 4 relate to the protocol/data transfers itself
[17:56:04] <jadew> ah
[17:56:06] <jadew> I was kidding
[17:56:11] <OndraSter> http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb1.shtml
[17:56:30] <jadew> yeah, I don't expect it to be under 200 pages
[17:56:49] <OndraSter> the official docs are... well, not that good
[17:57:02] <Malinuss> OndraSter, like I've tried looking into the datasheet of the ARM chip on the teensy 3. 1200pages.. seriously?
[17:57:10] <OndraSter> Xmega has got it split :D
[17:57:17] <Tom_itx> just easy reading
[17:57:28] <OndraSter> it is mostly register description and stuff
[17:57:36] <OndraSter> you don't need to read it till you want to use the peripheral
[17:57:55] <jadew> Malinuss, you should print it and go to some place public to read it and if someone asks you what you're reading you can be like: "some light reading..."
[17:58:06] <Malinuss> heh
[17:58:24] <Malinuss> OndraSter, I know, but the atmega32u4 datasheet is 423 pages. I'm starting to get familiar with it hehe
[17:58:30] <jadew> yeah, that's the good part about this datasheets, they are well organized
[17:58:56] <Malinuss> they even have example code
[17:59:03] <jadew> yep
[17:59:03] <Malinuss> for setting up the usart etc.
[17:59:11] <Malinuss> that's pretty cool
[17:59:13] <OndraSter> Atmel has dropped example code in xmega stuff and made it into separate PDFs
[17:59:19] <Malinuss> oh
[17:59:31] <Malinuss> is the xmega the newest family?
[17:59:35] <OndraSter> yes
[17:59:41] <Malinuss> or have they been there all along the atmega and tiny?
[17:59:43] <OndraSter> the newest and the greatest of 8/16bit yo ucan get
[17:59:44] <Tom_itx> 3.3v stuff
[17:59:49] <OndraSter> xmega = 2007+
[17:59:57] <OndraSter> general availability = 2009+ I think
[18:00:00] <OndraSter> usb parts = 2011+
[18:00:14] <jadew> now if they would only make them in dip packages
[18:00:15] <OndraSter> top of the range a1u series = half of the november 2012 :)
[18:01:01] <Malinuss> yeah what's up with that?! so many chips are not made in DIP, why?
[18:01:31] <OndraSter> DIP is not used nowadays except breadboard
[18:01:37] <OndraSter> and big companies do not prototype on breadboards.. :)
[18:01:53] <jadew> yeah but still, you'd think they want to attract everyone in
[18:01:57] <Malinuss> haha well so they only aim at hobby people with the attiny and atmega?
[18:02:05] <jadew> the student of today will be the CEO of tomorrow
[18:02:15] <OndraSter> of course I will be the CEO
[18:02:19] <Malinuss> lol
[18:02:21] <OndraSter> Malinuss, honestly - no idea
[18:02:23] <jadew> if they get inlove with ATMEL, they will most likely use atmel in the future
[18:02:26] <OndraSter> that's why XBoard is here!
[18:02:33] <Malinuss> hehe :)
[18:02:39] <Malinuss> OndraSter, it doesn't seem like 8-bits are gonna die any time soon, is it?
[18:02:48] <Malinuss> like I mean in the future 10+ years
[18:02:50] <OndraSter> for small and efficient projects - no
[18:02:51] <OndraSter> well
[18:02:55] <OndraSter> 10+ is VERY LONG time
[18:03:01] <jadew> they will just get more powerful
[18:03:04] <OndraSter> xmega is internally 8bit but has got 16bit stuff
[18:03:13] <jadew> like... instead of 18 you might have 64
[18:03:13] <OndraSter> 24bit addresses even
[18:03:13] <Tom_itx> not for coffee pots and home utilities and some automobile electronics
[18:03:21] <jadew> *instead of 8
[18:03:22] <Malinuss> I still don't understand why you can't get 100mhz 8-bit uC
[18:03:23] <Tom_itx> and other stuff like that
[18:03:25] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, sure, those will be still 4bits
[18:03:43] <OndraSter> I took apart few microwaves, they had most of the time 4bit CPUs
[18:03:45] <OndraSter> MCUs
[18:03:55] <jadew> really?
[18:03:57] <OndraSter> aye
[18:04:04] <OndraSter> in SDIP packages :)
[18:04:10] <OndraSter> because 1sided is supercheap
[18:04:23] <OndraSter> they were not the greatest and the newest
[18:04:27] <OndraSter> they still had MOTs
[18:04:57] <Malinuss> also, what's up with some stuff I've opnened just have like this big black plastic thingie covering the whole uC?
[18:05:11] <Malinuss> why cover it up like that
[18:05:15] <OndraSter> that is not covering it
[18:05:19] <Tom_itx> protect their product
[18:05:19] <OndraSter> it is the bare die on the PCB itself
[18:05:27] <Malinuss> ?
[18:05:29] <Tom_itx> or no package at all
[18:05:29] <OndraSter> even cheaper than using TQFP package
[18:05:45] <jadew> yeah, but that's custom, no?
[18:05:51] <OndraSter> not really
[18:05:53] <Malinuss> so it's because it's cheap or what?
[18:05:54] <OndraSter> even atmel offers bare dies
[18:05:57] <Tom_itx> no you can order die
[18:05:58] <OndraSter> cheap and small
[18:06:00] <jadew> or are they actually buying the thing and applying the plastic themselves?
[18:06:05] <OndraSter> what plastic?
[18:06:10] <jadew> interresting
[18:06:17] <OndraSter> put on the board, reflow, put on the black crap to protect it from falling off/whatever
[18:06:21] <OndraSter> (if it is reflowed at all)
[18:06:47] <jadew> ah, I was under the impression that those are custom made chips
[18:06:52] <OndraSter> sometimes
[18:06:53] <jadew> I guess they're not
[18:06:54] <OndraSter> not always
[18:07:02] <Malinuss> the worst thing is that they don't write anything on it :/
[18:07:07] <OndraSter> you save money by not using the ceramic/plastic package etc
[18:07:09] <Malinuss> so you can't check what chip it is
[18:07:37] <Tom_itx> not as easy
[18:08:00] <OndraSter> we are talking orders of 1000s though
[18:13:25] <Malinuss> okay fuck LUFA, I just look at the already made code that came with my teensy ;P
[18:14:36] <OndraSter> I don't know what teensy uses
[18:15:14] <Malinuss> Propably something made by the dude behind teensy
[18:17:59] <Tom_itx> he wrote a custom bootloader for it
[18:18:02] <Tom_itx> i think
[18:18:21] <OndraSter> with custom USB stack?
[18:18:30] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure
[18:18:57] <OndraSter> I am trying to find the source
[18:18:59] <OndraSter> with no luck
[18:19:04] <Tom_itx> you won't find it
[18:19:26] <Tom_itx> dean had a spat with him over it once
[18:19:48] <OndraSter> wait
[18:19:49] <OndraSter> what?!
[18:19:53] <OndraSter> it is not open source?
[18:20:02] <Tom_itx> not that i know of
[18:20:05] <OndraSter> hmm
[18:20:20] <OndraSter> (had to look up what "spat" means lol)
[18:20:32] <OndraSter> does dean think that he is using LUFA?
[18:20:39] <Malinuss> Tom_itx, well you can find the USB stack though
[18:20:40] <Tom_itx> no
[18:20:46] <Malinuss> y-yes?
[18:20:47] <Tom_itx> i don't remember what it was about now
[18:20:50] <OndraSter> oh
[18:20:53] <OndraSter> !seen abcminiuser
[18:20:53] <tobbor> abcminiuser was last seen in #avr on Oct 27 09:18 2012
[18:20:56] <OndraSter> STOP DRINKING
[18:21:28] <Malinuss> The bootlader is closed-source, but the USB-stack can be found in the arduino libraries
[18:21:41] <OndraSter> arduino libs use LUFA
[18:21:44] <OndraSter> on leonardo
[18:21:48] <OndraSter> as far as I know
[18:22:00] <Malinuss> It doen't mean that the teensy uses that, let me find them and show you
[18:22:15] <OndraSter> so appearantly Tom_itx is right - the bootloader source is closed
[18:22:21] <Malinuss> yes
[18:22:35] <OndraSter> oh well, I won't feel bad for doing it too now! :D
[18:22:36] <Malinuss> I've tried to find it some time ago, with no luck
[18:22:46] <Malinuss> why would your be closed-source?
[18:22:53] <OndraSter> because... I AM GREEDY!
[18:22:56] <OndraSter> jk
[18:23:08] <OndraSter> china will copy it soon if it takes off anyway
[18:23:15] <OndraSter> so why not make it as hard for them as possible?
[18:23:22] <Tom_itx> they copied my stuff
[18:23:24] <OndraSter> yeah
[18:23:30] <OndraSter> and they were using LUFA in some project too
[18:23:36] <OndraSter> (was it yours?)
[18:24:13] <OndraSter> the sad part is - I can't use lockbits because I want to make bootloader selfupdatable... thus I need both read and write on bootloader section :)
[18:24:22] <Malinuss> OndraSter, you wanted to see the teensy usb-serial code?
[18:24:27] <Malinuss> or are you okay ;P?
[18:24:31] <OndraSter> I am sure it is LUFA :)
[18:24:49] <Tom_itx> the one dean and i found went so far as to copy the very wording from my webpage then denied it when i confronted them
[18:25:00] <OndraSter> holy crap.
[18:25:06] <OndraSter> China in its best
[18:25:12] <Tom_itx> it was indonesia iirc
[18:25:19] <OndraSter> oh
[18:25:38] <Tom_itx> the did take it out of one online magazine at my request
[18:26:00] <Tom_itx> by then it was really too late
[18:26:16] <Tom_itx> i'm not complaining
[18:26:26] <OndraSter> I would be tbh :)
[18:26:46] <Tom_itx> the whole point in doing it to begin with was to help ppl get goin with avrs
[18:26:57] <Tom_itx> it bugged me a bit for a wile
[18:26:59] <Tom_itx> while*
[18:27:16] <Tom_itx> not much you can do about it
[18:28:00] <Tom_itx> is your usb stack asm or c?
[18:28:03] <OndraSter> c
[18:28:05] <OndraSter> I am not crazy :)
[18:28:11] <Tom_itx> haha
[18:28:17] <OndraSter> I don't have any need to drop to asm now
[18:28:27] <OndraSter> since even the smallest boards have got 128+8kB of flash
[18:28:42] <OndraSter> the USB stack will be <3kB
[18:29:24] <OndraSter> http://pastebin.com/LDNfXKPa + http://pastebin.com/bP3eYiQs
[18:32:06] <Malinuss> OndraSter, how hard would it be to get LUFA to work as a COM emultor for my chip?
[18:32:12] <Malinuss> so I could send data trough it etc.
[18:32:14] <Tom_itx> add more documentation to it :)
[18:32:43] <OndraSter> Malinuss, no idea, there should be samples
[18:32:51] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, screw documentation :D
[18:32:54] <OndraSter> the code is so simple..
[18:32:55] <OndraSter> it repeats
[18:33:06] <OndraSter> if you figure out how it works it is dead simple
[18:34:46] <Tom_itx> your indents are like a page wide :)
[18:34:50] <Malinuss> hehe
[18:35:23] <OndraSter> Tom_itx, one tab
[18:35:31] <Tom_itx> change the tab width
[18:35:33] <OndraSter> it looks weird in this font
[18:35:48] <OndraSter> maybe someday
[18:35:50] <OndraSter> now I am off
[18:35:51] <OndraSter> gn
[18:35:53] <Malinuss> gn
[18:35:57] <Tom_itx> later
[18:35:59] <OndraSter> tomorrow = math test
[18:36:04] <OndraSter> friday = partying after the math test
[18:36:06] <Tom_itx> oh goodie
[18:36:08] <OndraSter> weekend = USB stack round up
[19:00:44] <slidercrank> I have a stupid question. What should the RESET pin of a usb programmer with the SPI interface be connected with?
[19:02:29] <Tom_itx> the reset pin on the programmer plug
[19:03:26] <slidercrank> I mean it goes from the programmer. should I connect it with some pin of an atmel microcontroller?
[19:04:14] <Malinuss> slidercrank, yes
[19:04:51] <Malinuss> slidercrank, one of the pins is called "reset" on the datasheet, look for that one
[19:05:06] <Tom_itx> yeah it goes to the reset pin on the µC
[19:05:12] <slidercrank> I see. thanks
[19:06:42] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/mega168_howto_main_index.php
[19:06:58] <Tom_itx> you can probably follow the wiring in one of those pics
[19:08:55] <slidercrank> Tom_itx, thank you
[19:11:03] <Tom_itx> that's a mega168 if you're wondering what pins go where
[19:11:51] <Malinuss> Tom_itx, you shipping from EU or US?
[19:11:51] <slidercrank> I figured. I have an atmega8a-pu. the reset pin is number one there
[19:13:41] <Tom_itx> should be the same pinout
[19:13:56] <Tom_itx> mega8 48 88 168 328 are all the same pinout
[19:44:50] <slidercrank> Tom_itx, from the manual it's not clear how the programmer's reset pin should be connected with the reset pin of a controller. where is the connection point? between a 10ohm resistor and the controller's pin?
[19:44:56] <slidercrank> *from the tutorial
[19:45:07] <slidercrank> 10kOhm
[19:46:41] <slidercrank> Tom_itx, 1) programmer's RESET pin ---> 10 kOhm resistor --> controller's RESET pin 2) programmer's RESET pin ---> controller's RESET pin ?
[19:46:59] <Horologium> connect it to the reset pin.
[19:47:13] <slidercrank> directly? okay
[19:47:19] <slidercrank> thanks
[19:48:26] <Tom_itx> the 10k resistor is a pullup on the reset
[20:24:34] <MrCurious> anyone know if i can replace a 328 with an atmega8a?
[20:24:48] <Tom_itx> depends
[20:25:02] <Tom_itx> the pinout is the same, the peripherials aren't
[20:25:18] <Tom_itx> the 328 has more features
[20:25:43] <MrCurious> ty, nm, found my pile of 328's